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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:33 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Been in a little over a year, go for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17371980) |
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Date: March 4th, 2011 8:03 PM Author: Chrome Theatre Hominid How did you make General in a little over a year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17432141) |
Date: February 25th, 2011 6:35 PM Author: Umber church building As a T30 median 3L, with not terribly inspiring work experience, but a some decent small firm summer work, do I even have a chance at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17371987) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:37 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Very hard to tell. The selection process seems 100% random, and judging from my class the school you went to has almost nothing to do with whether or not you were selected.
If there's any advice to give, it's to kick ass in the interview you do and apply as many times as you can.
Also JAG likes the lines on the resume that biglaw employers don't care about - "leadership", overseas experience, etc. So try to get as much of that in there if you can. |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 11:43 PM Author: Fantasy-prone green boltzmann kitty cat Yeah some girl from my T20 school got navy JAG, despite having the physical fitness of a potato and most likely bottom% grades. The best I could figure is that she's fluent in another language and they like that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17382029) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:39 PM Author: Topaz stimulating electric furnace I'll bet they got some navy JAG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17815103) |
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Date: March 4th, 2011 5:50 PM Author: slate feces Whether means whether or not.
Did you start off briefs with "Whether or not"? |
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Date: March 4th, 2011 5:59 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren I am, admittedly, a very TTT writer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17431292) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:35 PM Author: Floppy scarlet institution I got dinged in the fall, just re-applied for the spring. I think I have a pretty good application. Any rhyme or reason to their decisions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17371990) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:39 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Seriously it seems to be completely random. People who are superstars get dinged, while you scratch your head looking at the people who are selected on the first board.
Never done a selection board myself so I don't know the criteria. But I think a lot of it is based on your interviewer's subjective take, your level of perceived commitment, and the strength of the candidate pool you're up against.
It doesn't help that selection rates are in the single digits. |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:41 PM Author: Floppy scarlet institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372027) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:42 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren I wish I could answer this definitively, but I can't. The military in general is big right now on both gender and racial diversity, though, so I'm almost certain the answer is yes.
Don't take my word for it or get your hopes up on that, though. |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:48 PM Author: Floppy scarlet institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372063) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:51 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Good luck - just keep applying.
Not many, as I haven't been there myself. I hear it's gorgeous, though, although somewhat boring. I think the office there is small, which has its benefits and drawbacks. Any reason in particular you want to go there? |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:55 PM Author: Floppy scarlet institution i'm pretty sure this is my last shot. i'm a 3L, so i'd have to apply to the direct appointment program after graduating and they only take like 5 people or something ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372113) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:57 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Have you thought about the other branches? It might be a bit late to get those this late though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372122) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 6:57 PM Author: Floppy scarlet institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372129) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:04 PM Author: histrionic gaping foreskin Squid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372198) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:10 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Ty. Are you dumb as a sack of bricks, motivated killer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372225) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:11 PM Author: exhilarant vermilion useless brakes idiot What's the JAG culture/social life like, brother ? Manly navy bros lifting weights and helping each other out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372234) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:16 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren JAG culture is very laid back (some would probably say too laid back, and I'd agree in some aspects).
Social life is pretty active, especially if you are at a base in/near a large city. Navy locations are, in my opinion, the best the military has to offer. If you're a single JAG, though, you feel a bit left out - it's very much a married man/woman's club. |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 6:05 PM Author: wonderful trump supporter any helping brothers out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17379224) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:22 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372318) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:35 PM Author: Magical state sandwich Navy has the best uniforms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372403) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:39 PM Author: Floppy scarlet institution the new working uniform looks pretty retarded though. i hope they dont wear those that often. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372427) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:40 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Trust me, you'd wear the NWU's over the khaki uniform any day of the week.
Depends on the command, but a lot of JAGs wear the NWU as their daily working uniform (especially if there are at a base where a lot of ships will port). If you're in Hawaii, though, you'll be wearing service whites instead. |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:39 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Yes and no. Dress Blues are unquestioningly awesome, and Dress Whites, while uncomfortable, kick the shit out of any uniform ever made (except maybe the crackerjack).
The Service Khaki Uniform, however, is an abomination wrought by Satan himself. |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:57 PM Author: Floppy scarlet institution what's so bad about the khaki? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372522) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:00 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren It's both very uncomfortable and very difficult to not look like a bag of ass in them - you almost never look squared away.
Also, if you care about that sort of thing, they are not flattering at all.
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:10 PM Author: cerise fighting university Especially women. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372569) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:47 PM Author: ruddy insane indirect expression cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372787) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:53 PM Author: cerise fighting university It's like they were deliberately designed to make women look like they have giant soccer mom butts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372842) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 9:14 PM Author: ruddy insane indirect expression true. no one has ever looked good in them. ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17373094) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 7:52 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren one more bump for the day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372493) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:08 PM Author: Khaki Lodge How long do you plan to stay in? What's your plan for afterwards? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372568) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:22 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren This is a tough question. At the end of the 4 years, my take home salary will be around 70k/yr, which is not a bad sum at all. I would also take a big hit on my loan payments due to how IBR works. The continuation payments, while small, aren't insignificant (although those might be going away)
However, the fed likes first tour JAGs who get out, but apparently our marketability goes down a bit after the first four years. I also don't like the prospect of staying in 7-8 years - at that point you almost feel obligated to stick around for the pension and I don't know if I want to make JAG a career.
In the end it will depend a lot on how I'm enjoying my work and my prospects upon leaving. If there's a good chance of an AUSA or DOJ position, I'll probably jump after 4 years. But it's hard to beat the QOL and people here in the Corps. |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 7:13 PM Author: Flickering scourge upon the earth locus lol @ getting an AUSA spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17379754) |
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Date: February 27th, 2011 9:22 AM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren It's a definite possibility with my background, although all the prestigious ones are almost certainly foreclosed to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17384495) |
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Date: February 27th, 2011 9:53 AM Author: Flickering scourge upon the earth locus every fucking JAG in America thinks they are getting an AUSA spot. You'll get in everywhere you apply!
Reality: be extremely happy if you get an 'attorney' job somewhere in federal govt |
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Date: February 27th, 2011 9:58 AM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren I never said otherwise; in fact, you'll note that I had a pretty big qualifier in my original post about AUSA or DOJ. No one should assume those jobs are anywhere close to guaranteed.
But thank you for such a valuable contribution to the thread. |
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Date: March 3rd, 2011 7:41 PM Author: abnormal maniacal voyeur Of course you're just saying this because you got dinged by every JAG Corps in the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17423586) |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 8:55 PM Author: Chestnut soggy legal warrant Can you tell me more about these exit opts? I'm very much gunning for Army JAG, and would actually like to stay in for 10+ years, but I do want to have options available after 10 just to avoid getting moved around. My interest is more along the lines of FBI than DOJ or AUSA though, but I want my options open. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17380569) |
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Date: February 27th, 2011 9:26 AM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Exit options are fairly nebulous. I know there's a career fair every year, and some people have made valuable contacts from it.
I don't know anyone personally who has gotten out, so I don't have much first hand knowledge. But biglaw, obviously, is foreclosed to 99.9% of us. If you stay in 10 years, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just stay in the next 10 for retirement. The more people I talk to, the more I'm told that every tour beyond your first one in JAG depletes your marketability (even in the public sector). The things you do get more and more removed from the practice of law.
Of course, that's just me shooting from the hip, and you'll get a better feel for that as you come up to the end of your first tour. |
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Date: February 27th, 2011 1:29 PM Author: Chestnut soggy legal warrant Gotcha, thanks. I haven't heard anything about that, but it does make sense. I also wasn't aware of career fairs. Guess I'll play it by ear when/if I get in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17385686) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:13 PM Author: Magical state sandwich Can people who get seasick become Navy JAGs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372583) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:22 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Yes. Lack of sea tours are not uncommon on most JAGs, much less first tours. You'll probably spend some time on a boat depending on your command, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372645) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:49 PM Author: Magical state sandwich Not that I ever really thought about joining the Navy but I get seasick very easily and I always wondered if that just meant you couldn't be in the Navy or if you eventually got over it or you just took anti-seasick pills every day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372802) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:55 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren I actually don't know how this works - most people probably don't know they're seasick until they get on a carrier or the like.
The JAGs I know who've been seasick initially take pills for the first few weeks and eventually get used to it. |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:18 PM Author: Fragrant Stage preference for prior service (army) guys?
also, can you volunteer for forward deployments in lieu of sea tours? |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:24 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren There is some prior service in the Corps. It'll give you a small boost but nothing guaranteed, obviously.
You are strongly encouraged to go on Individual Augmentations (IA), and those are viewed about equally to sea tours. It's a career killer to not have one or the other. |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:19 PM Author: lake dilemma what's it like applying after law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372624) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:24 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren I don't want to say impossible, but close. I think this year they took 4-5 Direct Appointments the entire year - and I imagine there were hundreds of times that many applications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372658) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:51 PM Author: 180 Onyx Dog Poop Community Account WTF is up with all these on-topic, constructive threads on my XO. Flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372818) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:54 PM Author: cerise fighting university The JAG threads always are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372849) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:55 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Sorry bro. I figured it was time for Navy love on here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372868) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 8:58 PM Author: 180 Onyx Dog Poop Community Account Marines>Navy UMAD?????????????????????????????? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372910) |
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Date: February 25th, 2011 9:00 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Not at all. Huge amount of respect for our Marine brothers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17372942) |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 6:03 PM Author: Charismatic Haunted Graveyard Space Is the ABA accredited law school requirement waivable. Like if I pass the bar in say cali. And lets say I am a 1st Lt. or captain in lets say the army via OCS, could I get the ABA requirement waived?
And even if I could would I even have a chance? |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 6:08 PM Author: Spectacular location No 1stLt's in the Navy, bro. You mean Lieutenant Junior Grade? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17379254) |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 7:15 PM Author: Charismatic Haunted Graveyard Space Dude can't you read! I said 1st Lt. in the Army! Learn to read, I am well aware of ranks in the various branches of the armed services. Your just a silly ABA loser!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17379774) |
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Date: February 27th, 2011 2:14 PM Author: Spectacular location Army abbreviates it 1LT. Only USMC uses the 1stLt abbreviation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17386049) |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 6:18 PM Author: Violet Garrison Mental Disorder How long do I need to stay in biglaw before I have a chance? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17379356) |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 6:49 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Almost no chance regardless. The Navy takes very few people who aren't immediately out of law school - 4-5 a year at most. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17379607) |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 7:24 PM Author: Charismatic Haunted Graveyard Space I guess Army law is still open to me. They take people who are captains via a few years out of OCS. Oh well, I never wanted to get stuck aboard ship anyway. :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17379833) |
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Date: February 26th, 2011 8:28 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Weird flame but ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17380341) |
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Date: February 27th, 2011 1:16 AM Author: Charismatic Haunted Graveyard Space It's not a flame. I did ABA for a year, then switched to Non ABA. Getting a better education and more interaction with prof at my Non ABA school. It even has higher bar passage rates then a lot of ABA schools. Kinda funny. :)
Learning a ton more too. And won't come out with 200K in debt. Still get to sit for the same bar exam too. So why go to a TTTT trash heap, when employers won't care. If I have passed the bar I am golden...
I guess I will see if the Army will look past the ABA requirement for law if i have passed the bar when I am a Captain in another MOS. :) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:18 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814283) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:20 PM Author: orchid public bath got dinged. fml. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814301) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:21 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Sorry man. Was this your last shot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814321) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:26 PM Author: orchid public bath i think so. 2nd semester 3L. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814357) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:29 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren I'd say not to give up hope - there might be one more board before you actually sit for the bar (or get results, not sure when the trigger ends). Obviously after that point you'd be a Direct Accession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814379) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:29 PM Author: Umber church building It's when you sit, and the next board is in the Fall. We're fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814390) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:30 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Damn sorry to hear again. Are you applying for other branches too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814405) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:32 PM Author: orchid public bath already got dinged by army twice. tried to apply for af, but they cancelled their february, april, and june boards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814415) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:54 PM Author: Umber church building Exact same, bro. :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814683) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:11 PM Author: orchid public bath :(
what's your plan now dood?
re-apply to army in the fall?
have you applied to army reserve? |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:14 PM Author: Umber church building I'll reapply to the army in the fall, but isn't it same as navy in that there's like 5 spots for grads?
iirc you just checked a box on the army app for reserve, is that right, or was it a separate app? If the latter, no. |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:17 PM Author: orchid public bath no, army is not like navy. it's one active duty application; doesn't matter if you're still in law school or not.
the check box for reserve/ng only comes into play if you were designated as an alternate from what i can tell.
i applied to the separate reserve board. deadline was the 15th. hopefully the results will be out in june. |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:44 PM Author: Umber church building ty, you're right I remember now re army active duty; I'll be applying again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17815147) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:30 PM Author: orchid public bath you think? when could that be? have they ever done that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814399) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:31 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Yes. I know of at least 2 personally (and in the last couple of years) who got in the board after law school but before the bar - I'm sure there's others out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814408) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:32 PM Author: orchid public bath so that would be like in may/june/july? wouldn't they have to already have to have info up about that board if they were going to do that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814425) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:35 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren That's about right, and if they don't have info up on a board yet on the Navy site I'd be surprised (and I can't access the site right now to check) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814457) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:28 PM Author: Umber church building Me too, brother. Also a graduating 3L.
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:43 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren one last bump tonight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814563) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:44 PM Author: orchid public bath DAP program is tiny, and its mostly for doods who have been practicing a couple years, right? i pretty much have no chance through DAP right out of law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814574) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 8:46 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren Yes it's quite small - 4-5 each year. And you'll be competing against a bunch of people with decent credentials and probably lots of trial work, which makes it even more difficult.
I don't know of anyone who made it into the DAP right out of law school. |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:24 PM Author: Odious water buffalo brethren One option (although I don't know how viable it is) is to try for the reserves. Apparently in some branches this is really easy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814940) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:25 PM Author: orchid public bath yeah, already applied for army jag reserve. i thought you couldnt apply to navy jag reserves though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814944) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:16 PM Author: Topaz stimulating electric furnace Dood, I'm high. How ya been man? dood? dood? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17814883) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:26 PM Author: Topaz stimulating electric furnace You like Ice Cube dood?
He's like a pimp. |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:35 PM Author: Frum pearl resort Know any SEALs? What are they like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17815063) |
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Date: April 20th, 2011 9:39 PM Author: Topaz stimulating electric furnace just like a couple of tots running across the meadow picking up lots of forget-me-nots (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1573210&forum_id=2#17815097) |