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Sotomayor admits she's not smart, strives to just be "competent"
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:43 AM Author: Ocher curious twinkling uncleanness http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/02/04/sotomayor-labeling-illegal-immigrants-criminals-is-insulting/
On the Supreme Court since 2009, Sotomayor said it was tough at first as justices made references that went over her head. She said joining the high court amounted to joining an ongoing conversation among justices who had served for years.
“I figure I may not be the smartest judge on the court but I’m going to be a competent justice,” she said. “I’m going to try to be the best I can and each year I think my opinions have been getting better. And I’m working at finding my voice a little bit.”
Libs 'splain. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:45 AM Author: maroon electric business firm gunner 1)You have poor reading comprehension. She said she may not be the "smartest justice" on the bench, not that she's not smart. 2)She's self aware enough to recognize her aptitude ways to maximize it. 3)You're a MAF reptile looking to make a stir out of a misreading of her statement. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:53 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party 1) His comment "not smart" was clearly in the context of SCOTUS comparables. What else could he possibly mean? over 100 IQ?
2) It does not take alot of self-awareness to realize that people like Roberts and Kagan are substantially smarter than you. Also, her "ways to maximize it" involve being a loud bully.
3) Everybody knows Soto is an incompetent tard. Even Dems. Nothing to make a stir about really if it is already known.
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:57 AM Author: maroon electric business firm gunner Let me get this straight: OP is justified in this post because Soto acknowledges she is not the smartest SC justice?
So, in essence, he'd be MAF if she claimed to be as smart as any other justice, and MAF if she didn't.
In that case, let him be equally MAF about Thomas and any other justice who we deem to be below anything except the highest standard for justices.
Justices, like any group, allow for some degree of variation in intelligence. What degree of variation is acceptable, CGM? Should we IQ test justices? In appointing justices, is a President required/strongly expected to select them on the basis of the highest possible intelligence to the exclusion of any other factors? |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:05 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party 1) OP is not MAF about anything. It is however a pitty that we have a tard on the SCOTUS, whether she admits it or not is irrelevant.
2) Evidence that Thomas is below the standards for a member of SCOTUS, highest or otherwise?
3) With Soto is not a matter of a minor difference in intellect. You are strawmanning like a fucking retard here. Nobody shits on Breyer for not being as smart as Kagan. The reason? The gap is not that big. With Soto on the other hand, it is huge. That is why people on here, and elsewhere, make a big deal about it. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:07 AM Author: maroon electric business firm gunner 1) So OP's post was written in a tone of pity, yes? 2)Evidence that Soto is dumber than Thomas? 3)Evidence that Soto is SIGNIFICANTLY dumber than the average justice?
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:11 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party 1) Obviously not. People are embarrassed and frustrated by the existence of a moron on SCOTUS.
2) Read what she has written and said. Then read what Thomas has written and said. Do it. Go now on youtube and watch some videos of Soto and her remarks (i.e. "wise latina") compared to Thomas and his 60 minutes interview, or his presentations at lawschools. Dont even have to bother reading their opinions.
3)
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2160853&mc=126&forum_id=2
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:14 AM Author: maroon electric business firm gunner I still see no such objective evidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954436) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:16 AM Author: talented costumed wrinkle Thomas isn't smarter than Sotomayor, he's a corrupt libertarian dumbass that pervs on women. He and Sonia Sosominority are both vastly inferior to Roberts, Kagan, and Scalia. Roberts and Kagan are on an entirely different intellectual level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954439) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:21 AM Author: Puce concupiscible theater stage No love for RBG? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954465) |
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Date: July 12th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: Passionate degenerate Thomas (or at least his writing) is clearly more intelligent than Sotomayor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#36410178) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:20 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party If that link does not contain sufficient evidence to conclude that Soto is most probably the imbecile of the court I don't think there is much more we can discuss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954461) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:23 AM Author: maroon electric business firm gunner There's nothing to discuss when bias and myopia are involved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954480) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:32 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party What exactly is the bias and myopia?
ITT I have defended another minority, women and liberal who are on the court. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 7:53 PM Author: swashbuckling ruddy shrine alpha Julia just got destroyed by CGM. and she was trying pretty hard too. LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957627) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:16 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film u repeatedly say "idiot" "tard" "moron" but then say it just means she's below scotus avg. so do u think everyone on scotus should be above scotus avg? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954442) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:19 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party Can you not read. I have mentioned in multiple posts that you don't get called tard for being below average on SCOTUS. But rather for being NOTABLY (a term I fucking used two posts below this one) below. What do you think I meant when I raised the Breyer example? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954454) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:21 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film amazing distinction from a scholar of alot of stari decis. sorry i didn't grasp this term "notably" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954464) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:23 AM Author: Charcoal Property Thomas gives presentations at law schools? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954478) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:38 AM Author: Marvelous Station I saw him speak once, and he was a 180 a fuck speaker. Absolutely hilarious.
I met him at a cocktail party afterward, and he confirmed that there indeed used to be a basketball court in the upstairs of SCOTUS, the "Highest Court in the Land", but once everyone started getting old they dismantled it. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:43 AM Author: Charcoal Property "Presentation" makes think he's doing powerpoints or some shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954569) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:49 AM Author: Marvelous Station no, it was just him up there speaking. he didn't even have a planned out presentation like some of the other ones I have seen, he just got up there and did a "Taking Qs" session with the crowd for an hour. He was charming, hilarious, and immensely likeable, and even my most shitlibbiest friends in attendance agreed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954618) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:52 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party They are pretty good. Even shitlibs will like them. Not political on the whole. Mostly Q&A, about his life, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954651) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:26 AM Author: talented costumed wrinkle you've said some pretty retarded stuff in the past. are you an idiot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954490) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:10 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film "tard" "in the context of scotus comparables" means what exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954421) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:12 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party Notably lower intellect than her peers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954428) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:13 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film u fucking tard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954434) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:05 AM Author: Ocher curious twinkling uncleanness (the only actual MAF person itt, pretending not to be MAF in the slightest but failing) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954401) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:12 AM Author: talented costumed wrinkle But you, an idiot who scams pizza from reddit and things slavery is libertarian, are very competent. Well isn't that nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954429) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:12 AM Author: razzle sable hospital how much self-awareness does it take to learn the difference between "alot" and "a lot"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954431) |
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Date: February 5th, 2014 9:47 AM Author: emerald useless brakes is kagan "smart" because she did poorly in the only objectively comparable period of law school (one ELLL)?
or is she "smart" like the "top" 76% of the HLS class graduating "with honors"?
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:55 AM Author: Ocher curious twinkling uncleanness (literalist who doesn't understand that sometimes, just sometimes, poasters on this here shitbort purposely feed into ongoing bort themes such as "soto is a less-than-wise burrito farting latina" for entertainment purposes) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954352) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 7:57 PM Author: opaque pungent public bath party of the first part You seem really butthurt Julia....are you butthurt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957655) |
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Date: February 5th, 2014 11:30 AM Author: Beta black woman lib here.
I can't stand Sotomayer. She seems like an idiot in oral arguments. |
Date: February 4th, 2014 9:45 AM Author: Pea-brained charismatic electric furnace whats there to explain she got on the court because she is the right race and gender |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:52 AM Author: Bistre Parlour or at least, not a fucking embarrassment like thomas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954328) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:55 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party Describe how thomas has been an embarrassment. This is the difference between shitlibs and normal humans.
When a normal person makes a claim (i.e. Soto being an idiot) they back that up with evidence (such as transcripts which have been posted on here).
When a shitlib makes a claim they just leave it hanging out there with no evidence or support. As if the point is supposed to stand on its own. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:57 AM Author: laughsome umber den you won't see Thomas in any transcripts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954367) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:07 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party And?
If you think oral arguments are retarded why would you participate?
Thomas has an entirely valid reason for not bothering to speak.
This is how weak your argument is. We have decades of decisions and written work by him. We have his academic performance and credentials. And the best "evidence" you can come up with is the fact that he does not talk as much as you would like. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:00 AM Author: Bistre Parlour tell me about all of the american case law you read, canadian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954383) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:07 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party I'm asking you to tell me what support you have for the contention that Thomas is an embarassement. Please have atleast a shred of intellectual honesty here you faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954416) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:12 AM Author: cerebral green house His version of constitutional interpretation, for one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954432) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:16 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party 1) That means Scalia is also an embarrassment. As their positions are, on the whole, very similar in that regard. Obviously some differences on stari decis and such as it impacts constitutional interpretations. But pretty close.
2) This is a thread about a retard on the SCOTUS. Saying that "Thomas is an embarrassment" implies in this context that you are talking about his intellect not his position on the constitution. If it does indeed only refer to his position than 20% of the legal thinkers are embarrassments.
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:18 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film yea very complicated stari decis jurisprudence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954452) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:22 AM Author: Brilliant Irate Reading Party I used it as an example where they would differ. Are you just making fun of the typo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954471) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:24 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film protip: u know literally nothing about law or the supreme court or the English language and your ignorance permeates every post you make (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954482) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:20 AM Author: cerebral green house you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and you should just kill yourself right now for even trying to discuss this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954459) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:22 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film if he should kill himself than 20% of the legal thinkers should too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954474) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:23 AM Author: cerebral green house they probably should to be honest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954477) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:28 AM Author: Charcoal Property You're an imbecile if you think Scalia and Thomas have that much in common in terms of jurisprudential philosophy. You've obviously never read an opinion by either one.
Furthermore they are both oafs compared to Roberts and Kagan. Scalia probably gets a slight nod over Thomas in terms of intelligence, but Thomas is much more intellectually honest. They're both pure SHIT in terms of writing persuasive opinions though. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:29 AM Author: cerebral green house Scalia can at least be entertaining. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954497) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:31 AM Author: Charcoal Property He's like a SCOTUS Dave Barry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954508) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:52 AM Author: crimson diverse brunch halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954645) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:30 AM Author: talented costumed wrinkle Scalia has declined in his old age, but in his glory days he was easily their equal. He is the best writer on the court as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954503) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:45 AM Author: Charcoal Property Yeah, thinking of the Scalia opinions that are likely to survive on a liberal court, obvious examples like Lujan are from like 20 years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954585) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:51 AM Author: crimson diverse brunch halford You're done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954641) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:00 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film (guy who literally believes deduction from axioms about "human nature" is sufficient evidence from which to develop an empirically robust theory of economics) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954385) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:21 AM Author: Big pistol ape (sinead o'friedman singing 'nothing compares 2 what') (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954462) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 7:46 PM Author: Pea-brained charismatic electric furnace no, Thomas is smart enough to know not to open his mouth Soto, not so much |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 7:48 PM Author: slimy dashing cuck personal credit line ROFL. You're delusional. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957589) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 8:00 PM Author: Saffron half-breed (das racist) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957682) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 9:52 AM Author: cream out-of-control sanctuary hairy legs *wise burrito fart* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954333) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:16 AM Author: Underhanded Hall Stock Car I've been called competent before. It hurts.
But I think, as you get older, you handle it better--once you realize how few people are truly competent and hard-working, and that these qualities are praiseworthy when they manifest themselves consistently and in abundance. |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:24 AM Author: Big pistol ape she was probably dispirited by the l'affaire richwine tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954483) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:52 AM Author: big-titted lodge voyeur WTF is she on the Court when there are literally hundreds of others more qualified? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954646) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:54 AM Author: frum step-uncle's house lol at shitlibs bashing xo thomas, the greatest justice of all time
also, she gets insulted when people label criminals as a criminal? |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:55 AM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film compared to what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954664) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:58 AM Author: Big pistol ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954684) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 11:17 AM Author: Shaky Light Masturbator Yeah that criminal part was what really bothered me. She is basically saying if you disagree with laws then breaking it doesn't make you a criminal. WTF? How can you be on the SCOTUS and refuse to call someone who violates the law a criminal? If she wants to run for Congress and change the laws go ahead, but if the law is there and you break it you are a criminal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954768) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:58 AM Author: jade idiot hominid So CGM is a Canadian consultant who reads SCOTUS opinions and watches Clarence Thomas lectures in his spare time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954681) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 10:59 AM Author: Big pistol ape what hard evidence do u have of that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954688) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 11:01 AM Author: jade idiot hominid hard compared to what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954703) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 11:29 AM Author: Alcoholic scarlet old irish cottage striped hyena http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2160853&mc=127&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954804) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 12:04 PM Author: Razzmatazz fluffy school cafeteria darrel • 5 minutes ago
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Sotomayor, Calling you a Justice is insulting. YOU are a quota hire... pure and simple. You filled the woman/minority square... nothing more. YOU'RE JUST A BROWN SOW IN A ROBE.
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Date: February 4th, 2014 12:05 PM Author: Crystalline contagious gay wizard stag film xo: less humorous version of cbslocal comments (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24954975) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 12:10 PM Author: Razzmatazz fluffy school cafeteria yeah i just can't stop reading these
ObamaHillaryKilledBenghaziFour • 14 minutes ago
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They are criminals you idiot bimbo. You are a disgrace to the bench.
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Date: February 4th, 2014 12:11 PM Author: Razzmatazz fluffy school cafeteria like wtf does this one even mean
Bossman • 17 minutes ago
The mush minds in Ivy League Schools could not get up and asked…. "What do Illegal mean?"
spoken in a way that she might get.
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Date: February 5th, 2014 11:38 AM Author: Razzmatazz fluffy school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24960910) |
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Date: February 5th, 2014 8:54 AM Author: Underhanded Hall Stock Car "What do illegal mean?" "What do illegal mean?" How law get broekn? |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 12:12 PM Author: twinkling range "finding [her] voice" ??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24955021) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 7:58 PM Author: Saffron half-breed didn't you know writing opinions is like literature these days. thanks scalia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957666) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 7:48 PM Author: slimy dashing cuck personal credit line Admirable, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957587) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 7:50 PM Author: swashbuckling ruddy shrine alpha this stupid bitch is going to tarnish the fuck out of obama's legacy for decades to come (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957611) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 8:00 PM Author: Saffron half-breed there could have been a lot worse picks than her. at least she isn't a completely partisan hack. definitely could have been worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957678) |
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Date: February 4th, 2014 8:02 PM Author: swashbuckling ruddy shrine alpha she was 100% partisan in the sense that she was an AA pick designed to secure Obama"s reelection. politicizing the SCOTUS selection is not only partisan as fuck, but disgraceful and abhorrent and should never ever be forgiven. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24957692) |
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Date: February 5th, 2014 8:25 AM Author: flesh casino At least she's trying? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24960272) |
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Date: February 5th, 2014 11:28 AM Author: Slap-happy Magenta Home Faggot Firefighter Isn't she a Princeton undergrad graduate and a H or Y law graduate? To attack her intellectual ability in a discipline(law) that is, basically, nothing more than made up "opinions" without any real social science research skills, is problematic, in my opinion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2486228&forum_id=2#24960867) |
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