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Really underdiscussed how Halloween is dying YoY

Love seeing it DOA every year c. 2020, finally ppl were give...
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noone talks about it till the day of - then its over in a ma...
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stores start selling HW crap the day after labor day bc ther...
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OP addresses that - people are embracing the GC plastic crap...
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I live in one of those neighborhoods and i get several hundr...
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"I think people do not stay local anymore" this...
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Very cool, glad I spent $100 on candy for illegals and black...
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He’s running some “back in my day. . .” sc...
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the trunk or treating thing is some of the lamest shit I've ...
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There is some of this going on to be sure. But like the m...
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Halloween has been gay as shit the past five years
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Trick or treat is still a big thing in my neighborhood and t...
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wtf? sit outside their own place on porch?
heady abode
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yea or in the driveway. we did that this year and was more ...
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Whether you think Halloween is dying or thriving is a subtle...
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In my lib utopia Halloween is a month long event. There are ...
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Halloween is huge in my neighborhood
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Halloween is a satanic holiday that no Christians should be ...
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ljl @ it dying bc everyone came to God? ppl hate being outsi...
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We’re friends with several families in the neighborhoo...
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"please dont make me visit ur home w my kids ...and don...
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Their kids are at our house all the time and vice versa. We ...
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You need to go back to Israel
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lmaod my ass off at this wtf
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Neighbor - Ha wow that's a scary costume. Trick or treat! L...
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This is not true at all ime
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i think the bigger problem is with 'trick or treating'. this...
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White people dont exist anymore
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As we knew it. And thats fine. People with kids and people w...
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Date: February 2nd, 2025 4:59 AM
Author: heady abode

Love seeing it DOA every year c. 2020, finally ppl were given carte blanche to GIVE UP. dont believe its an economic thing. Pretty cheap to go outside walk around in rags/scream mask etc.

Total societal disintegration, no cohesion, no trust, beyond that, people simply dont even like strangers, their deracinated ugly dusky 'neighbors' etc. Its hilarious.

People cope that it "isnt dying" but "evolving" (house parties) more secluded, for adult children, its less about the 'scary' and more about the social GC plastic garbage commercial side of things for deracinated mutts etc but this is all a red herring, shits falling apart @ the seams IRL across board, noone even has friends anymore

I genuinely pray for disasters which force people to DEAL w the reality of hundreds of racial alien strangers occupying / living in close proximity to them with which they have zero cultural common ground with other than manufactured global village consumerist garbage that deep down noone enjoys. Im sad Trump won so the power grid wont get cut out and shit but hey, give it a few decades? maybe when AI is slurping up electricity, MMAYBEEEE goy will be COMPLETELY FUCKED then *crosses fingers* & will have to walking dead style communicate/collaborate with all these racial subalterns theyve been living in monastic silence with hoping it would fix itself

I really really want to see people in pain, Florida storm and LA fires have been holding me over for now, schadenfreude humiliation, goy forced to deal with their neighbors. Im a really weird guy. James Woods crying over his house got me hard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614217)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 8:27 AM
Author: heady abode



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 8:37 AM
Author: Spruce preventive strike famous landscape painting

would love to experience the rich inner world that leads to a halloween is dying screed at 5am on a weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614341)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 8:38 AM
Author: marvelous very tactful address toilet seat



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 8:42 AM
Author: heady abode

noone talks about it till the day of - then its over in a matter of hours, escapes all scrutiny every single year.

need people WOKE on the Halloween Q this time around 5 years out from COVID now. no more coping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614350)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 9:31 AM
Author: supple personal credit line set

stores start selling HW crap the day after labor day bc there's no other holidays. goyim in our are country neighborhood deck their houses out in HW shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614465)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: Curious voyeur scourge upon the earth

Wtf are you basing this on? You being an adult shut in with no parties to go to and no kids?

Halloween spending has gone insane in recent years..

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/why-is-halloween-spending-growing/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614550)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: marvelous very tactful address toilet seat

OP addresses that - people are embracing the GC plastic crap aspect of Halloween but not the children trick or treating in a safe, mostly white, neighborhood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614557)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 10:26 AM
Author: Curious voyeur scourge upon the earth

I live in one of those neighborhoods and i get several hundred trick or treaters. I think people do not stay local anymore so there's a higher concentration of trick or treaters in "nice neighborhoods"

Plus there's tons of "trunk or treat" events and similar stuff in other neighborhoods.

I just don't get what the OP is based on. The only objective measure is way up, and my kids have like dozens of Halloween events between school, the neighborhood, church.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614601)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:28 PM
Author: Grizzly ceo

"I think people do not stay local anymore"

this is all part of the death of halloween. you used to have your white neighbors showing up in cute costumes. make a bit of small talk, etc. now it's transient mercenary mudspawn being bussed in to demand their yearly tithe after which they will disappear until next year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633460)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: heady abode



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: heady abode

Very cool, glad I spent $100 on candy for illegals and blacks Who don’t live in my neighborhood



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633502)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 10:43 AM
Author: Plum learning disabled locus

He’s running some “back in my day. . .” schtick. Kids running around unsupervised, eggs, TP and shaving cream everywhere. That’s over. And for good reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614627)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 8:56 AM
Author: Disgusting racy school immigrant

Eat a cock you foreign fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48631888)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:38 AM
Author: Chartreuse telephone box office



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Grizzly ceo



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Date: February 7th, 2025 8:58 AM
Author: Twisted hairraiser national

We traded mischief for outright violent crime from “teens”

Oh what a good outcome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48631894)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:22 AM
Author: Diverse sadistic theater



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Date: February 7th, 2025 12:29 PM
Author: Geriatric area roast beef

You need to go back to China

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632992)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:53 PM
Author: Poppy Meetinghouse Tattoo



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: fuchsia boyish mediation sex offender

the trunk or treating thing is some of the lamest shit I've ever known to exist. proles just can't get away from Cars lol.

that being said, whatever brings Boomers the most pain, misery and discomfort has my unyielding support.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614588)



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Date: February 2nd, 2025 10:41 AM
Author: Clear awkward lettuce volcanic crater

There is some of this going on to be sure.

But like the meme says, “Society is on the verge of collapse” usually means “my personal life is shit.”

If you had five kids, Halloween and Christmas and such would be magical again for you. These child-holidays get a little empty in your 20s, but should come back roaring when you see them through your child’s eyes of wonder in your 30s.

Have moar kids!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48614621)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:01 AM
Author: Beady-eyed stag film pistol

Halloween has been gay as shit the past five years



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48631902)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: heady abode



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Date: February 7th, 2025 9:48 AM
Author: Disgusting racy school immigrant

Trick or treat is still a big thing in my neighborhood and there are a bunch of weirdos who go full powergoy with the massive decorations and shit. We actually put up orange and purple xmas style lights this year.

ever since covid more ppl sit outside vs. coming to the door. that's about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632026)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:03 AM
Author: heady abode

wtf? sit outside their own place on porch?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632084)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 12:20 PM
Author: Disgusting racy school immigrant

yea or in the driveway. we did that this year and was more fun than opening the door every couple of minutes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632965)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: Charismatic temple marketing idea

Whether you think Halloween is dying or thriving is a subtle prole tell. In affluent walkable safe neighborhoods Halloween is thriving as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632095)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: heady abode

Im a 40 yo Somali non lawyer & not even from the United States/never even been, I'm from Somalia, this is not flame, noone ever takes this at face value so I can get away with this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632105)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:17 AM
Author: Charismatic temple marketing idea

People have no idea what time period I'm actually poasting from. There are unstated temporal assumptions that people simply hold when they engage in semi-anonymous online interactions which may or may not actually be true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632134)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:34 AM
Author: heady abode



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: appetizing plaza

No point in playing dress up when half the country is bone in nose niggers, mookadooks with turbans, weird hat kikes, trannies, etc. any “normal” day today is basically Halloween in the 90s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632113)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Grizzly ceo



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:40 PM
Author: heady abode



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Date: October 22nd, 2025 5:56 PM
Author: Rampart ( )



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:18 AM
Author: Black lodge bbw

In my lib utopia Halloween is a month long event. There are no kids as far as the eye can see but all month the streets are full of blue haired email girls dressed as SpongeBob.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632135)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: glassy cruise ship hissy fit

Halloween is huge in my neighborhood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632143)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: Tantric lemon alpha

Halloween is a satanic holiday that no Christians should be celebrating.

I live in an all white town and our neighborhood has ton of kids, trick or treating was yuge pre and during “Covid”. Last couple of years it’s been dying off because Christians are finally waking up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632146)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 12:25 PM
Author: heady abode

ljl @ it dying bc everyone came to God? ppl hate being outside

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632978)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Tantric lemon alpha

We’re friends with several families in the neighborhood and they stopped celebrating H specifically because of that. Of course I can’t speak for the others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633285)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:40 PM
Author: heady abode

"please dont make me visit ur home w my kids ...and dont visit me ...we've ... got religion now ..thx"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633291)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:50 PM
Author: Tantric lemon alpha

Their kids are at our house all the time and vice versa. We just don’t play dress up one day out of year any more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633324)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 12:28 PM
Author: Geriatric area roast beef

You need to go back to Israel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48632990)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:13 PM
Author: appetizing plaza



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: indecent irate son of senegal rehab



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:54 PM
Author: exhilarant lavender gas station sandwich

lmaod my ass off at this wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633333)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: indecent irate son of senegal rehab

Neighbor - Ha wow that's a scary costume. Trick or treat!

LSD - ?? I'm not wearing a costume

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633337)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 12:37 PM
Author: Maniacal Hateful Selfie Nursing Home

This is not true at all ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633029)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 1:58 PM
Author: Amber violent resort internal respiration

i think the bigger problem is with 'trick or treating'. this activity should be outlawed. Instead, safe and wholesome house parties with kids under 10 should take it place.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633344)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:05 PM
Author: heady abode

White people dont exist anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633367)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:21 PM
Author: Spruce preventive strike famous landscape painting

(Tejano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633413)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:06 PM
Author: Sexy native

Totally agree. Things are terrible because my politics would be wrong if they weren't terrible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633370)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: Impressive crackhouse

As a kid it was a night you could go out after dark with your friends with the expectation of some sort of adventure, independence, freedom, chaos etc.

Now, it's a controlled environment supervised by parents: a totally sterilized experience for the kids. I wasn't able to this year, but i try to make sure that after they get home from whatever group activity my wife brings them to, we still go out around our neighborhood. My older ones are just about at the age they can go without me.

Along the same lines, I encourage them to go on bike rides around our neighborhood with their friends and won't let them have phones until they are teenagers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48633660)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 3:53 PM
Author: At-the-ready State Old Irish Cottage

^^solid dad right here.

Moms are so inclined to go to these stupid parties at school, trunk or treats, shopping mall / plaza / downtown events, but those all totally miss the mark of what’s special about that night for kids who are 5-13/14/15. Fine to go to those things in addition, but not as substitutes for the fun of walking around your neighborhood, running into people you know, houses all decorated, etc. and all focused on those 2-3 hours for kids in that pretty narrow age band.

My kids go to a diverse school (in the real meaning, not the xo meaning) and there are lots of people who don’t celebrate Christmas—*all* the kids (even the Jews) celebrate Halloween. It’s probably the biggest event of the year for kids of a certain age. They talk about it for 2 months before and obsess about it for the weeks leading up to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48634069)



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Date: February 7th, 2025 4:43 PM
Author: Impressive crackhouse



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Date: February 7th, 2025 3:55 PM
Author: Disgusting racy school immigrant

you voted for all of this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#48634077)



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Date: June 15th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: heady abode

wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#49018178)



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Date: June 15th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: Amber violent resort internal respiration

As we knew it. And thats fine. People with kids and people who drink still get together to celebrate the ridiculousness of it while larping as a better version of themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#49018193)



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Date: June 15th, 2025 4:58 PM
Author: elite cumskin library

Sounds like the experience of poasting on Autoadmit, 180

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Date: September 29th, 2025 4:35 PM
Author: heady abode



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Date: September 30th, 2025 6:50 AM
Author: heady abode



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Date: September 30th, 2025 7:16 AM
Author: Geriatric area roast beef

every single zog parasitized american holiday has been completely hollowed out by consumerism and market grifts to the point of public apathy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#49313739)



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Date: September 30th, 2025 7:19 AM
Author: heady abode

Is it really the root tho? I feel like the hollowing out comes after the deracination

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#49313744)



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Date: September 30th, 2025 7:21 AM
Author: Geriatric area roast beef

it's a loop. the deracination is from market derived alienation, and i agree with marx on that much

when "christmas" and its symbols are subsumed by coca cola bears and mall santas you don't really have much of what causes the holiday to stand on its own in the public mind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#49313747)



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Date: October 22nd, 2025 5:52 PM
Author: we're looking into it very strongly



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5674125&forum_id=2#49366989)