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Date: December 10th, 2010 3:01 PM Author: bearded sanctuary Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16775093) |
Date: December 29th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: Silver Bawdyhouse sounds like a fucking moron
LOL
Boston College Research Assistant, Professor Kent Greenfield |
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Date: December 31st, 2010 1:32 AM Author: Blue circlehead site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16936501) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:00 PM Author: Shimmering Appetizing School Cafeteria Stain i knew a H UG -->> american u law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923525) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:00 PM Author: odious den MODS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923533) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:01 PM Author: exciting ticket booth Average LSAT at H UG is 166...this is normal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923539) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:04 PM Author: Tripping National Security Agency This does not correlate to the average Harvard SAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923571) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:05 PM Author: exciting ticket booth Which of the following, if true, best helps explain this anomaly?
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:10 PM Author: Vibrant rigor LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923622) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:13 PM Author: Tripping National Security Agency ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923655) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:14 PM Author: exciting ticket booth It's an LSAT question type. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923667) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:15 PM Author: Tripping National Security Agency There are no answers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923670) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:16 PM Author: exciting ticket booth The LSAT/SAT correlation is weak, the SAT takes less effort to game, that's the average LSAT score attained by H students, while the SAT averages show the average highest score each student has attained, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923680) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:23 PM Author: Silver Bawdyhouse how about:
D) Jason D. Burke's stupidity appeals to his faghag skank LENA CHEN
Meet one of skank Lena Chen's "besties" (barf) Jason D. Burke * Student Boston College Law School
(Educational Institution; Higher Education industry)
August 2009 — Present (1 year 5 months)
* Marketing Intern Harvard Club of Boston
(Privately Held; Hospitality industry)
July 2007 — August 2009 (2 years 2 months)
* Office of Governor Deval L. Patrick, Constitutent Services Intern Commonwealth of Massachusetts
(Government Agency; Government Administration industry)
June 2008 — August 2008 (3 months)
Jason D. Burke’s Education
* Boston College Law School
2009 — 2012 (expected) * Harvard University
BA , Sociology , 2005 — 2009
Activities and Societies: Harvard Model United Nations, Harvard National Model United Nations, Harvard Model Congress, Harvard Model Congress San Francisco, Harvard Model Congress Europe
http://lenachenskankwatch.blogspot.com/2010/12/lena-chen-bs-and-hypocrisy-continues.html
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Date: March 14th, 2011 8:49 PM Author: bearded sanctuary Grabbing Korean popcorn chicken in Allston with faggot Jason D. Burke and cuntwhore Melanie A. Garcia :) we haven't had a group hangout in ages! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#17509800) |
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Date: June 5th, 2011 5:46 PM Author: Razzmatazz swollen church On Lucky Star with @theburkemeister [moron Jason D. Burke] to NYC. Wheeeee 8:06 PM Jun 3rd via Twitter for iPhone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18172794) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:07 PM Author: spectacular sick skinny woman average person at harvard would killself if they had to consider law school/lsat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923604) |
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Date: December 29th, 2010 2:13 PM Author: Tripping National Security Agency I think the average person at Harvard is interested in law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16923650) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:22 PM Author: Charismatic Honey-headed Office you severely overestimate the options the average person at HUG has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18427737) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:06 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Hunting Ground "This does not correlate to the average Harvard SAT."
Yes, it does. |
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Date: March 15th, 2011 11:46 AM Author: Electric Shaky Principal's Office Persian Wow, I'm guessing you didn't do well on either the SAT or LSAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#17513663) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 6:24 PM Author: histrionic low-t base partner Not even sure it is that high. I have seen that the median is 164-165. Of course, the last few years don't really count ever since they basically let people re-take with impunity. You can't really count LSATs from now against LSAT averages from a few years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16932956) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 10:56 AM Author: razzle-dazzle tantric hospital roommate Didn't John Kerry do this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930196) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:23 AM Author: Underhanded menage Yale -> 3 Purple Hearts -> eventually B.C. Law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930312) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:30 AM Author: jade faggot firefighter Didn't the swiftboaters establish that at least a couple of those were bullshit, though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930341) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:33 AM Author: Underhanded menage Only one was on the same boat as Kerry and the rest of his crew say the swiftboaters' accusations are false. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930348) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:19 PM Author: jade faggot firefighter I guess I don't know shit about the Senator from the great state of Massachusetts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930568) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:23 PM Author: Underhanded menage commonwealth* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930591) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:48 PM Author: jade faggot firefighter Fuck me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930760) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:04 PM Author: Razzmatazz swollen church http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/260383_949439877711_20323_41995615_2033070_n.jpg
whore Lena Chen, knobgobbler drunk Jason D. Burke, "me so horny" whore Tiffanie Hsu, rapelover Zac Pollinger |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 1:01 PM Author: razzle-dazzle tantric hospital roommate with those softs, he should have been able to get into stanford with an lsat above 150 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930843) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 2:07 PM Author: Underhanded menage He was getting old and had a career in Boston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16931237) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:01 AM Author: Crimson Sickened Senate Dragon Uchicago --> Nova
I WIN |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:03 AM Author: comical resort Fargo High --> Hamline University --> HLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930221) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:05 AM Author: claret theatre I know: HYP -> Baltimore HYP -> Temple HYP -> New England HYP -> Northeastern
sad. |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:10 AM Author: comical resort amazing that they don't kill self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930250) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:11 AM Author: claret theatre they will have illustrious careers in international criminal treaty law. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930252) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: Umber Fortuitous Meteor Subject: There are a lot of Harvard to Suffolk or New England Law grads. I don't see anything really wrong with this. You guys have a very skewed perception of how the world works. I think the recent gubernatorial candidate in Rhode Island, Frank Caprio, had a Harvard Undergraduate, Suffolk Law School pedigree. Trust me, there is a lot of that, particularly here in New England. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16931228) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 4:36 PM Author: mahogany point azn Suffolk is a little more understandable because so many politicians in New England went there. But NESL is a true 4TT on the Cooley level. THere is no excuse for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16932266) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:21 AM Author: Puce Philosopher-king Stag Film bro Temple is a solid T2! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930301) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:25 AM Author: jade faggot firefighter Average LSAT at Y and P are 165. That means someone who is just a minor slacker and has a 3.3 GPA/162 LSAT is going to be solidly in tier2 territory, or TTT with scholly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930327) |
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Date: June 5th, 2011 5:48 PM Author: bateful bespoke lay double fault you have to be a huge slacker to get a 3.3 at HYP. average graduating GPA is 3.65 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18172819) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:13 AM Author: Dark big shrine Not that uncommon. Probably a striverish high school senior from outside the tri-state area whose mom put him in a bunch of SAT prep courses and did a bunch of random extracurriculars/sports. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930261) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:54 PM Author: Trip ultramarine sweet tailpipe Certainly no one from the tri-state area would ever attend a school so prosaic as BC Law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930788) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 2:13 PM Author: greedy adventurous plaza i had to dictionary.com prosaic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16931257) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:13 AM Author: 180 half-breed digit ratio i know a federal judge who did this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930263) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:17 AM Author: beady-eyed sienna casino patrolman There are a lot of bright but not brilliant kids at Harvard who graduate with a 3.2-3.6 in some useless major who have to end up somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930282) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:18 AM Author: claret theatre average LSAT at H UG is only a 166-168. Combine that with a 3.5 GPA and that's T2 territory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930286) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:19 AM Author: Underhanded menage no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930294) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:24 AM Author: jade faggot firefighter I dunno if this is still accurate, but the average LSAT at H is a 166, and in the low 160's for most other prefstigious undergrads.
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/760585-mean-lsat-scores-top-universities.html |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:31 AM Author: claret theatre this is true. I remember talking to my law school counselor and her giving me a sheet of stats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930342) |
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Date: March 15th, 2011 11:57 AM Author: Twinkling vivacious church building lettuce Yea but not everyone who takes the lsat goes to law school. annnnddd also keep in mind that many people take the lsat more than once. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#17513698) |
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Date: March 15th, 2011 12:14 PM Author: Laughsome copper gay wizard Right. Now that schools no longer have to report LSAT averages, you can't make a direct comparison between UG averages and LS "medians." Still, you can look at historical LS stats to get a sense of the quality of the average LSAT taker at HYPS (not that impressive). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#17513789) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:44 PM Author: Cyan hairraiser sound barrier old irish cottage rofl at the comments
"WUSTL is grossly overrated and its students underperform on the LSAT in comparison to their SAT scores. It is the only major statistical outlier in that direction ironically." |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:21 AM Author: Dark big shrine Yep, and unless their personal statement can truthfully detail what it's like to grow up black in America they're screwed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930306) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 4:38 PM Author: mahogany point azn racist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16932283) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 11:33 AM Author: Underhanded menage Why is OP deleted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930353) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 2:17 PM Author: Silver Bawdyhouse not sho
it just had basic info about him...
Jason D. Burke Jason D. Burke
Student at Boston College Law School
He is NOT a poaster here...
Greater Boston Area
* Contact Jason D. Burke * Add Jason D. Burke to your network
Current
* Student at Boston College Law School
Past
* Marketing Intern at Harvard Club of Boston * Office of Governor Deval L. Patrick, Constitutent Services Intern at Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Education
* Boston College Law School * Harvard University
Connections 121 connections Industry Law Practice
Jason D. Burke’s Experience
* Student Boston College Law School
(Educational Institution; Higher Education industry)
August 2009 — Present (1 year 5 months)
* Marketing Intern Harvard Club of Boston
(Privately Held; Hospitality industry)
July 2007 — August 2009 (2 years 2 months)
* Office of Governor Deval L. Patrick, Constitutent Services Intern Commonwealth of Massachusetts
(Government Agency; Government Administration industry)
June 2008 — August 2008 (3 months)
Jason D. Burke’s Education
* Boston College Law School
2009 — 2012 (expected) * Harvard University
BA , Sociology , 2005 — 2009
Activities and Societies: Harvard Model United Nations, Harvard National Model United Nations, Harvard Model Congress, Harvard Model Congress San Francisco, Harvard Model Congress Europe
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jasondburke |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:17 PM Author: Lascivious meetinghouse hominid Virtually any law school in the top 50 will have kids from HYP. I knew one who went to HUG -> Valparaiso, but I think he transfered to a tier-2 school after his first year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930563) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:51 PM Author: beady-eyed sienna casino patrolman Holy shit, you knew that kid? I remember Valpo used to send me brochures after I took the LSAT, and I was absolutely shocked to see Harvard and Dartmouth listed in their current incoming class profile, given the ~150 LSAT average. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930770) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:54 PM Author: Frum garrison Harvard has 41 NCAA teams and doesn't offer scholarships. There has to 100+ dumb rich athletes per class. Many of whom probably get ~150 on the LSAT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930785) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 1:00 PM Author: beady-eyed sienna casino patrolman A lot of those kids still get wall street jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930837) |
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Date: December 31st, 2010 1:43 AM Author: Fragrant property yeah but the point is between the ridiculous ivy athlete backdoors, legacy admits, and AA recipients, there are plenty of dumb motherfuckers at harvard undergrad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16936556) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:18 PM Author: motley maroon knife it's not that easy to backdoor as an athlete at HYP man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18427721) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:21 PM Author: mahogany point azn yeah, the HYP athlete would be at lower Ivy without sports, not at Oregon State (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18427734) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:51 PM Author: Scarlet theater stage Sadly, this is probably a better LS than the average Harvard undergrad can get into. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930768) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:53 PM Author: jade faggot firefighter What is the average GPA for a H UG? 3.5?
I'm guessing a 3.5/166 from H could probably get into BC/BU more often than note? |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:53 PM Author: beady-eyed sienna casino patrolman Probably right about average. Avg GPA out of Harvard is around 3.4-3.5, median LSAT 165-66. Should be good enough for BC or a peer school, especially given the admissions bump you get from having gone to Harvard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930783) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:54 PM Author: jade faggot firefighter As of 2004, the average H GPA was 3.48.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_inflation#Harvard_University |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:59 PM Author: Scarlet theater stage Yeah, so if the average LSAT is ever below 165, which I'd guess it frequently is, then a little under 3.5/~164 isn't going to be a blazing admissions combo, especially if the kid is white or Azn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930824) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:55 PM Author: Scarlet theater stage I thought that 166 was the highest median they ever produced and the average was usually lower 160s?
Either way, the OP still isn't so lulzy in that context, just kind of depressing. |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:56 PM Author: claret theatre True. But the caveat is that many of the lower scorers never apply or attend law school. The dedicated applicants retake, score higher, and get into much better schools.
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Date: December 30th, 2010 12:59 PM Author: jade faggot firefighter I would guess that it's exactly the opposite. Top schools like HYP probably produce a fair number of 175+ LSATS and very few scores <155. If anything, the average is going to be skewed upwards by all the superstudy azns who get crazy scores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930829) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 1:05 PM Author: claret theatre yes, but you shouldn't underestimate the number of kids who take the LSAT just to try it out and find out 1) it's harder than it appears and 2) their heart isn't set on law school.
As a result the vast majority of HYP law school attendees enroll in T14 schools despite the low LSAT average for HYP takers. |
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Date: December 31st, 2010 1:44 AM Author: Fragrant property do you have a link to verify this or is it just your impression of the situation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16936570) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 1:00 PM Author: Scarlet theater stage Sounds about right. Still means the average Harvard LSAT taker would be hitting a reach of they got waitlisted at GW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16930836) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 1:18 PM Author: Silver Bawdyhouse Jason D. Burke is apparently a diseased fuckup, blogs Lena Chen...
Gay is just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaking of my friends, the fact that Jason D. Burke is a knobgobbler is really quite minor, considering that my social group contains individuals at varying levels of crazy. Legit crazy! In the medicated sense of the word. Just among my closest friends, I can count a bipolar [Courtney Kennedy], a narcoleptic*, and an obsessive-compulsive. [as well as the violent cunt with an arrest record Christine Z. Yu] Who have all, at one point or another, literally wanted to kill themselves. (All these conditions pre-dated Harvard, but our fine institution, I’m convinced, only exacerbated them.) Luckily, we’ve learned through the years that life can, in fact, be bearable, especially when one learns how to make light of mental illnesses and crack suicide jokes, in lieu of actually attempting suicide, which would just be tragic and not very funny at all. (I do feel bad for the people who overhear us discuss these morbid topics, but the comfort of strangers is just collateral damage in the quest to sustain meaning in life.)
This is why I always inwardly chuckle when I hear someone proclaim that “so-and-so is fucking nuts”! Such hyperbole, really. I mean, have you ever lived with an anti-social bipolar person misdiagnosed as depressed and mistreated with anti-depressants? Because I have! And trust me, it’s all fun and games until someone’s neurons start misfiring. Like what happened to Courtney Kennedy, as you can see from her blogged fuckery at http://likepolishingfirewood.tumblr.com |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 4:17 PM Author: floppy confused cumskin dilemma HYP UG simply has so little to do with intelligence. Lots of dumbs in there, and tons of smart people don't go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16932115) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 4:40 PM Author: mahogany point azn this isn't even remotely embarrassing compared to lots of other combos out there. Plus, maybe someone just lived in New England all his life and didn't get into HLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#16932302) |
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Date: December 30th, 2010 4:50 PM Author: Wonderful clown i know some HYP UGs that ended up doing TTT MBAs. not TTT as in non-top 7, but TTT as in truly third tier MBAs. basically, accredited but outside of the top 100 within the US.
to be fair, i think most of them were working full time and their companies paid for their MBAs, provided that they continued working; so a lot of them took evening MBAs at the local school as an opportunity to get the qualification and rise up faster within the company. |
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Date: March 14th, 2011 8:50 PM Author: orchid background story Must be a trustie bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#17509808) |
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Date: March 15th, 2011 12:04 PM Author: fluffy wrinkle A senior lawyer (since retired) at a firm here in the Twin Cities went HUG --> William Mitchell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#17513728) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:21 PM Author: motley maroon knife i never got why people would want to ruin their resume by going to a lesser grad school. ive even seen some T14 -> shitty LLM program people. fucking weird man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18427735) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:22 PM Author: stimulating translucent death wish twinkling uncleanness This is winning formula in New England. HTFH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18427738) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:24 PM Author: Charismatic Honey-headed Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18427751) |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 6:54 PM Author: Yapping degenerate lodge I know a guy that went from Princeton->Northeastern MBA.
That's pretty awful. |
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Date: July 5th, 2011 8:21 PM Author: Passionate locale Looking at average LSAT for an UG school is misleading because I'm sure a good part of the bottom third of the class who has no job and no clue just takes the LSAT, grasping at straws, whether they end up going to LS or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1504840&forum_id=2#18428694) |