why is the music industry completely dead
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:51 AM Author: Snowy curious step-uncle's house
Its emblematic of the wider decay of American culture.
We havent evolved artistically in a long time. We are simply skinsuiting classics and trading on nostalgia.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:57 AM Author: Pink unhinged station
We can't fix anything, it has to be organic and it has to come from the youth. People much younger than you and much, much younger than me.
Look at the mid-to-late 1970s-- younger people started to get sick of the over-produced, schlocky, drug-hazed music being produced in the 1970s and a punk rock movement began.
Grunge in the 1990s sprung out of a reaction to slick hair metal and synth pop.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 12:48 PM Author: Charcoal state
yes, the problem, oddly enough, is that there are far too many talented little guys with the chance to make something. there's only so much bandwidth for any given genre. musicians have crowded themselves out of an increasingly smaller pool of money. the entire "industry" is basically a hobby at this point.
back when there was shittons of money involved, you had an industry that, however predatory it was, had a big financial interest in picking out talent, nurturing and developing it, and marketing the shit out of it. all of that is gone.
you can do whatever you want these days, but you're on your own and it's hand to mouth for years and years if you're lucky enough to build any audience at all.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 3:47 PM Author: chest-beating lettuce
my top three "Current" favorite bands are three "dream pop" bands - Cathedral Bells, Beach Vacation, and Lunar Isles.
Cathedral Bells and Beach Vacation are just standard issue hipsters with home recording shit, and the Lunar Isles guy is some scottish dude living in Korea making music on an extremely clean desk in a small apartment.
Discovered all of them on Spotify radio channels.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:53 AM Author: Tan rigor native
there was a time when you could leave your door open and unlocked 24/7 for years and nothing would be bothered in your home, you knew your neighbors and all looked out for each other, everyone trusted each other to the point where you could even walk into a business w no experience and if you seemed stand up enough could land a real high paying and technical job
all of that ended when jews implemented their nuke on whiteness in america, everything else died with the death of white culture
ur just seeing the shadow from the atomic bomb
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 10:55 AM Author: deranged cerebral yarmulke rehab
We don't really need new music anymore. There is more good music out there than there is time in a life to listen to it all.
Of course, your point is that it's troubling that we don't make good music anymore to which I say it's still being made, but good music doesn't have multi-million dollar marketing campaigns behind it anymore. You got to look harder. Monoculture is dead.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:18 AM Author: Charcoal state
this. there are 50k new songs per day on spotify. it's impossible to care.
also there's a perfect confluence of all the money disappearing and the content quantity exploding due to insanely cheap recording tech. you'd have to be nuts to seriously pursue music as a money making endeavor these days. there's an endless amount of noise to compete with.
there's no incentive to go balls deep into it when there are 10,000 other guys putting out pretty good stuff with far less effort and there's no way the audience is going to dig your stuff out of the pile.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:25 AM Author: Charcoal state
as a musician, it's never been cheaper and easier to make, record, and distribute your own music. like exponentially so, it's really incredible. the downside is it's completely impossible to get any traction because everyone is doing it. and at the same time all the money has vanished due to streaming.
it's also never been easier to be a music fan. you literally have everything in your pocket for $10 a month. it's un-fucking-believable.
the problem, again, is the noise and the lack of money. over time it should degrade the overall quality of music as the incentive to crush it is gone, so it's just oceans of mediocrity and nepotism. but like the guy above says, there is already 100 years of amazing shit out there that you can't possibly listen to in your lifetime, so whatever.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 11:42 AM Author: chest-beating lettuce
this times 10000%
Also, even the music tech has gotten insanely good. Used to be you had to lug around a big amp and effects, figure out how to mic it up to record it right, etc.
Now there are cheap computer plugins and modeling devices that sound 99.99% the same when recorded.
And given the fact that you can literally make a professional sounding recording if you know what you are doing for less than $500 worth of gear ($100-150 interface, $50-100 DAW like Reaper, $100 monitors or headphones, plus your laptop), there is no limit anymore.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 12:27 PM Author: Poppy appetizing fanboi menage
music is disposable
touring is expensive
zoomers don't drink
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:39 PM Author: Slimy Nudist Dopamine Center
The labels need to vertically integrate and start owning the venues and cutting out all the middle men in that part of the live music industry. It would also be a great way to fuck over Ticketmaster ie cut them out and reduce prices and then sell subscriptions like Moviepass. Obviously would also need to capture more revenue from concessions and merch, and pay artists on a much more data-driven model ie if you can sell out the tour loop of 500 person venues you make x, 5k person venues you make y, 50k person would be like 100 artists total across the industry and there the artists get as big a cut as they always have and it looks more like the current state. But the small and mid venues are for 1) building and maintaining audience, 2) diversifying revenue stream, 3) advertising other acts, and 4) locking in subscribers so you can market tie-ins and upsells like ride share discounts, merch and concessions discounts/inventives, VIP promos like meet the band and attend soundcheck, etc. It’s yet another aspect of our culture, and media in particular, where stupid boomers are trapped in the 20th century and we need new businesses/models to come along and kick their asses into retirement.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:25 PM Author: Slimy Nudist Dopamine Center
We are in the late phase of millennial acts still dominating, which has made everything feel stagnant for like 5 years now. But it’s exactly what you said ie 2007-09 was 17 years after 1990-92, and in 90-92 hip hop went from underground/niche to well on its way to supplanting rock, and rock was completely reinvented. 2007-09 was a shitty, lame generational takeover because the industry’s base units of product (the CD and the MP3) were in terrible shape and the entire economics of the industry was in a stopgap mode of transition from physical media to digital media (similar to the transition today from linear networks built around physical infrastructure to streaming). So the 2007-09 acts were mostly lowest common denominator and not really challenging or interesting. Lots of huge pop acts like Beyoncé coming to her full dominance and power as a solo artist, Gaga, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and Bieber emerging via YouTube, acts that were pure nostalgia/retro plays like Amy Winehouse, relatively middle of the fairway death spiral phase rock acts like Kings of Leon, plus a lot of follow up releases for the early aughts hipster rock bands (White Stripes, The Killers, etc.), Kanye and Drake making hip hop safe for soft ass, bitch ass music nerds and Nicki Minaj made the music world safe for skanks who look like pornstars to sell their bodies and use a shitload of ghostwriters to produce good lyrics (blazing the trail for Cardi B, Megan thee Stallion et al.), and plenty behind more that would have been perfectly suitable to 90s radio formats (eg Adele).
2025 is 17 years from 2008 so we are due for the next gen refresh with new artists and a new generational identity. It’s hard to say if Gen Z will be any better, but the economics of music publishing are thoroughly better than they were in the 2007-09 period. Gen Z will be up against the same issue that all other media faces ie the splintering of audience and near impossibility of getting your music to break widely as an unknown act. Their brains have also been completely pickled by the tiny attention span format and ultra low IQ of short video format social media. So I don’t think there’s some transformative and inspirational musician on the horizon in the near future, but I am sure we will be able to say who the next crop of Gen Z’s generation of music heroes will be. So far it seems likely that some new rapper will come along and take mumbling to such obnoxious levels that the kids will like it primarily because of how much it disgusts everyone over 40. And probably some generic girl boss pop act will have to take the reins from Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, but Beyoncé’s BLM schtick and Taylor’s millennial girlboss schtick will need to evolve. I think we’re overdue for a new JLo essentially, ie a super hot Latina chick who wins with sex way more than any of the female millennial pop superstars, but also manages to not be considered a full blown whore like all the hip hop females who really are just straight up skanks.
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Date: May 2nd, 2024 1:59 PM Author: Fragrant dingle berry
when rap was deemed to be the default popular music, the decline really took off.
I keep waiting for a grunge type revival, or even a strokes one, but not sure a rock band of white guys would get any publicity now anyways.
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