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hilarious wonderful address tank
  12/17/14
Don't even know what to say anymore
maniacal liquid oxygen
  12/17/14
welcome to the shitlib carnival
orchid domesticated gas station
  12/17/14
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hilarious wonderful address tank
  12/17/14
jesus christ
glittery base messiness
  12/17/14
*jaw dropped*
naked racy site
  12/17/14
liberalism used to be the province of scholars. how far lib...
Big-titted office
  12/17/14
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Talented pontificating weed whacker
  12/17/14
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marvelous bull headed plaza newt
  12/18/14
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2761222&mc=1...
Metal step-uncle's house
  12/19/14
no words. no words.
Arousing Friendly Grandma Skinny Woman
  12/17/14
isn't marquette jesuit? wtf
translucent mischievous school cafeteria gaming laptop
  12/17/14
JFC, Marquette is Catholic too.
Flickering public bath circlehead
  12/17/14
marquette is a fucking catholic school
Bateful Internet-worthy Yarmulke
  12/17/14
isnt marquette a catholic school?
spruce location
  12/17/14
Isnt this a CATHOLIC school?
White Den Fortuitous Meteor
  12/17/14
Doesn't this university bear allegiance to a Christian denom...
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lol
spruce location
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mind-boggling henna station masturbator
  12/17/14
is not Marquette a university educating students in the trad...
Electric bronze coffee pot
  12/18/14
I think this was before they became a catholic school
lascivious sable kitty
  12/17/14
this is just a side-effect of their zero tolerance workplace...
Frum dark stead
  12/17/14
i hope he ties a stack of the harassment pamphlets to his ba...
provocative swollen lodge famous landscape painting
  12/17/14
So fucking dystopian. "Prof. McAdams, you are summon...
adventurous lettuce
  12/17/14
Augustinians loling
frozen digit ratio
  12/18/14
Wow, this is nuts. Opposing views are NOT OKAY
slate sanctuary
  12/18/14
I got to think there is something more to this story
burgundy locus sex offender
  12/18/14
(guy who has been in a coma the past 3 years)
maniacal liquid oxygen
  12/18/14
lets keep tabs on this story
burgundy locus sex offender
  12/18/14
Sure, but nothing unusual about it. (1) A guy was "mean...
maniacal liquid oxygen
  12/18/14
criticizing her publicly on his blog was not very politic
exciting corn cake
  12/18/14
his criticism is really civil in tone and is geared more to ...
Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy
  12/18/14
I don't understand why some people can't even stand hearing ...
Arrogant theatre
  12/18/14
make no mistake, shitlibs don't give a SHIT about academic f...
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  12/18/14
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maniacal liquid oxygen
  12/18/14
now they just respond with screeching and incredulous snark
vibrant awkward rigpig
  12/18/14
yep, it is remarkably effective because to fight back as a s...
Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy
  12/18/14
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Talented pontificating weed whacker
  12/18/14
It's becoming the same in corporate America.
Arrogant theatre
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maniacal liquid oxygen
  12/18/14
This isn't even surprising anymore
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  12/18/14
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Talented pontificating weed whacker
  12/18/14
shit like this is why anonymous grading should be used every...
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  12/18/14
unfortunately anonymous grading doesn't help when a teacher ...
Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy
  12/18/14
it would allow you to openly speak your mind without fear th...
Lake excitant selfie
  12/18/14
this shitprof would literally have an exam like: Describe...
Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy
  12/18/14
I meant in class. everyone knows that you're supposed to re...
Lake excitant selfie
  12/18/14
OH WHAT A GRADING SYSTEM
Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy
  12/18/14
despite what they say the left has always had this sort of s...
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  12/18/14
Any counterarguments are deemed to be a result of hatred, ph...
Arrogant theatre
  12/18/14
"We need to start a dialogue!" *Starts a dialog...
Canary Stimulating Feces
  12/18/14
They really meant a monologue.
Arrogant theatre
  12/18/14
Open Letter in Support of Cheryl Abbate Dean of the K...
burgundy locus sex offender
  12/18/14
"Perhaps just as important, the harassment she is recei...
maniacal liquid oxygen
  12/18/14
oh shit this guy is getting the Leiter treatment over this?
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  12/18/14
so this guy gets a paid vacation and relief from "all t...
Maize main people
  12/18/14
literally getting paid to not interact with Marquette studen...
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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:49 PM
Author: orchid domesticated gas station

ate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/12/17/marquette-suspends-profs-teaching-orders-him-off-campus/

What do you shitlibs think of this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952623)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:54 PM
Author: hilarious wonderful address tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952658)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:54 PM
Author: maniacal liquid oxygen

Don't even know what to say anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952661)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:56 PM
Author: orchid domesticated gas station

welcome to the shitlib carnival

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952679)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:58 PM
Author: hilarious wonderful address tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952691)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:58 PM
Author: glittery base messiness

jesus christ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952698)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:59 PM
Author: naked racy site

*jaw dropped*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952707)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:07 PM
Author: Big-titted office

liberalism used to be the province of scholars. how far libs have fallen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952775)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:12 PM
Author: Talented pontificating weed whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952821)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 7:53 AM
Author: marvelous bull headed plaza newt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955345)



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Date: December 19th, 2014 5:27 PM
Author: Metal step-uncle's house

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2761222&mc=11&forum_id=2

dummbcunt Cheryl Abbate (Marquette Uni) cant tolerate dissent

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2761223&mc=1&forum_id=1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26963868)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:09 PM
Author: Arousing Friendly Grandma Skinny Woman

no words. no words.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952794)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:11 PM
Author: translucent mischievous school cafeteria gaming laptop

isn't marquette jesuit? wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952816)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:12 PM
Author: Flickering public bath circlehead

JFC, Marquette is Catholic too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952823)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:12 PM
Author: Bateful Internet-worthy Yarmulke

marquette is a fucking catholic school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952825)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:13 PM
Author: spruce location

isnt marquette a catholic school?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952834)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:13 PM
Author: White Den Fortuitous Meteor

Isnt this a CATHOLIC school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952836)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:15 PM
Author: Laughsome offensive stage

Doesn't this university bear allegiance to a Christian denomination?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952847)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:15 PM
Author: spruce location

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952854)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:20 PM
Author: naked racy site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952895)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:22 PM
Author: mind-boggling henna station masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952913)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:32 AM
Author: Electric bronze coffee pot

is not Marquette a university educating students in the tradition of Ignatiation Spirituality?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955696)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:18 PM
Author: lascivious sable kitty

I think this was before they became a catholic school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952878)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:23 PM
Author: Frum dark stead

this is just a side-effect of their zero tolerance workplace violence kaw, any complaint will trigger this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952918)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:27 PM
Author: provocative swollen lodge famous landscape painting

i hope he ties a stack of the harassment pamphlets to his back and lugs them around campus bemoaning his rape

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952949)



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Date: December 17th, 2014 10:32 PM
Author: adventurous lettuce

So fucking dystopian.

"Prof. McAdams, you are summoned for a Conversation at 10:00a on December 15, 2014 regarding this institution's Guiding Values."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26952994)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 4:07 AM
Author: frozen digit ratio

Augustinians loling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26954886)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 4:07 AM
Author: slate sanctuary

Wow, this is nuts. Opposing views are NOT OKAY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26954889)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 7:59 AM
Author: burgundy locus sex offender

I got to think there is something more to this story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955352)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:06 AM
Author: maniacal liquid oxygen

(guy who has been in a coma the past 3 years)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955621)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:09 AM
Author: burgundy locus sex offender

lets keep tabs on this story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955628)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:11 AM
Author: maniacal liquid oxygen

Sure, but nothing unusual about it. (1) A guy was "mean" to a woman in a work environment and (2) he supported the right of anti-gay marriage advocates to voice their views. Those are two things that are very NOT OK in America 2014 so there's really nothing to be incredulous about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955635)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:29 AM
Author: exciting corn cake

criticizing her publicly on his blog was not very politic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955690)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:50 AM
Author: Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy

his criticism is really civil in tone and is geared more to draw attention to the issue and point out the logical inconsistency after the student tried to go through the academic hierarchy with his concerns and was blown off

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2014/11/marquette-philosophy-instructor-gay.html

he did nothing wrong, this is a standard case of shitlib MAF and yet another person is getting loaded onto the boxcars with shitlibs chanting NEVER AGAIN NEVER AGAIN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955768)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 8:17 AM
Author: Arrogant theatre

I don't understand why some people can't even stand hearing or engaging opposing viewpoints (assuming the kid wasn't actually saying anything hateful). It shouldn't make you uncomfortable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955365)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:54 AM
Author: Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy

make no mistake, shitlibs don't give a SHIT about academic freedom or encouraging debate. the only reason to allow apposing viewpoints is if you think it will provide some insight into higher truth or whatever. academic shitlibs are not trying to clarify and strengthen their positions by responding to criticisms. they are trying to ensure that the only voices that get heard are their own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955783)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:00 AM
Author: maniacal liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955812)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:05 AM
Author: vibrant awkward rigpig

now they just respond with screeching and incredulous snark

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955837)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:11 AM
Author: Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy

yep, it is remarkably effective because to fight back as a student or prof you have to withstand ostracism and possible suspension/job loss. and for what? to argue in class that maybe we shouldn't have mandatory peggings?

classic monopoly issue: the benefits to shitlibs as a whole are tremendous and easy to protect by screeching/snark, but the potential gain for any individual fighting back is very small.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955867)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:19 AM
Author: Talented pontificating weed whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955903)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:28 AM
Author: Arrogant theatre

It's becoming the same in corporate America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955930)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:29 AM
Author: maniacal liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955935)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 9:18 AM
Author: Vengeful dog poop

This isn't even surprising anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955502)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:20 AM
Author: Talented pontificating weed whacker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955904)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:28 AM
Author: Lake excitant selfie

shit like this is why anonymous grading should be used everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955681)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 10:58 AM
Author: Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy

unfortunately anonymous grading doesn't help when a teacher is an all-out shitlib carny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955805)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:22 AM
Author: Lake excitant selfie

it would allow you to openly speak your mind without fear that your grades would get dinged as a result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955916)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:30 AM
Author: Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy

this shitprof would literally have an exam like:

Describe the social and moral benefits that would accrue to the United States if homosexuals and other marginalized groups were no longer repressed and discriminated against.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955936)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:33 AM
Author: Lake excitant selfie

I meant in class. everyone knows that you're supposed to regurgitate the prof's shitthoughts back at them on exams.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955949)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:38 AM
Author: Contagious Mahogany Whorehouse Puppy

OH WHAT A GRADING SYSTEM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955975)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:14 AM
Author: Know-it-all startled boltzmann dingle berry

despite what they say the left has always had this sort of strong fascist streak. they tend to be so convinced of the rightness of their motives and intentions that they're convinced that people who disagree with them are basically evil and not worth listening too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955880)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:26 AM
Author: Arrogant theatre

Any counterarguments are deemed to be a result of hatred, phobia or ignorance, and not worth listening to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955922)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:20 AM
Author: Canary Stimulating Feces

"We need to start a dialogue!"

*Starts a dialogue*

"That is NOT okay!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955911)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:29 AM
Author: Arrogant theatre

They really meant a monologue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955933)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:38 AM
Author: burgundy locus sex offender

Open Letter in Support of Cheryl Abbate

Dean of the Klingler College of Arts and Sciences, Marquette University, Dr. Richard C. Holz, richard.holz@marquette.edu

Interim Provost, Marquette University, Dr. Margaret Faut Callahan, margaret.callahan@marquette.edu.

Dear Dean Holz and Provost Callahan:

I write to express my deep concern about the behavior of Professor McAdams and to offer my support to Ms Abbate over the events reported here: http://dailynous.com/…/philosophy-grad-student-target-of-p…/

The one-sided public attack on a graduate student by a professor over classroom behavior is a threat to academic freedom. It does not appear to me, from reading the blog post of Professor McAdams, that he made any attempt to get Abbate’s side of the story. Instead he took up the motivated report of a student and based an attack on Abbate solely on that student’s testimony. http://mu-warrior.blogspot.in/…/marquette-philosophy-instru…

I hope that you will offer your support to Ms Abbate and take steps to ensure that Professor McAdams learns the rudiments of professional behavior in the future.

Yours respectfully,

John Protevi (PhD, Philosophy, Loyola University Chicago 1990)

Chair, Department of French Studies

Phyllis M Taylor Professor of French Studies

Professor of Philosophy

416 Hodges Hall

Louisiana State University

Baton Rouge LA 70803 USA

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I have seen the libelous posts made by a tenured professor at Marquette and the misogynistic harassment Ms. Abbate has received as a consequence and feel that that university should act at this point to protect her as both a student and a woman. As a late stage graduate student in a field known to be very unwelcoming to women in general, her career is clearly in jeopardy from the unsubstantiated comments made by the tenured professor and the conservative news sources he has contacted to support his attack. Perhaps just as important, the harassment she is receiving as a result targets her as a woman, meaning this has now reached the level of a hate crime. Misogynist attacks are orchestrated and are intended to frighten and silence women as a group. It is tactic that is unfortunately very effective. I believe it is the responsibility of the university to protect the safety of minority students and faculty from discriminatory and violent groups.

It appears that the campaign against Ms. Abbate is problematic for a number of reasons, and it concerns me that nothing has been done to protect her or to end the abuse. I hope for the sake of ethics in academia and the safety of women in university systems that Marquette acts and acts quickly.

Corey Lee Wrenn, M.S.

Instructor of Sociology

Colorado State University

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Dear Dean Holz and Provost Callahan,

Doubtless you have learned of the case of Cheryl Abbate, her student, and the unprofessional behavior of Professor McAdams. I write to express strong support of Ms. Abbate and to encourage you to demonstrate your support, as well.

The current case is especially distressing as a graduate student, as a gay man, and as someone raised in a devout Catholic family. I am a doctoral candidate (at a different institution) who studies political and social theory. I study politics because I am interested in who has power, how they wield it over others, and with what ethical consequences.

The current case at your institution cannot be ignored precisely because it demonstrates, in the clearest terms, how those in positions of power (both formal and informal) can bully those who do not have the same power. And let us call Professor McAdams’ behavior by it’s right name: bullying.

Professor McAdams’ behavior is unprofessional and counts as bullying not because not because of the substance of his views on gay rights (which are not even in question), but because it is designed to be both aggressive and intimidating toward a graduate student in a different department, violating the values and traditions of graduate education. In his bullying, Professor McAdams exposes Ms. Abbate’s pedagogy to the risks of public arbitration while taking on none of those risks himself.

Smear campaigns on unofficial campus blogs are easy and juvenile—they are made worse when they recount only one actor’s version of events (tangentially, the recording of that single account is most likely illegal). I encourage you to take steps to ensure the professor understands key tenets of academic freedom, and in so doing represents Marquette in a way befitting its reputation.

Respectfully,

Ryan A. Schowen

Ph.D. Candidate

Public Policy and Social Change

Union Institute and University

http://proteviblog.typepad.com/protevi/2014/11/open-letter-in-support-of-cheryl-abbate.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26955977)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:42 AM
Author: maniacal liquid oxygen

"Perhaps just as important, the harassment she is receiving as a result targets her as a woman, meaning this has now reached the level of a hate crime."

Convene the grand jury!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26956001)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:44 AM
Author: Kink-friendly Area Boiling Water

oh shit this guy is getting the Leiter treatment over this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26956007)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 11:45 AM
Author: Maize main people

so this guy gets a paid vacation and relief from "all teaching duties and all other faculty activities, including, but not limited to, advising, committee work, faculty meetings and any activity that would involve your interaction with Marquette students, faculty and staff."

oh noes this is as bad as a police officer being investigated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26956014)



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Date: December 18th, 2014 12:53 PM
Author: lemon hospital laser beams

literally getting paid to not interact with Marquette students IRL, sounds like heaven to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2759573&forum_id=2#26956283)