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Daughter got into Penn yesterday. I can't afford it.
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:13 PM Author: curious orchestra pit Not sure how to tell her. She was crying tears of joy and my stomach was just turning.
Her best friend found out he was accepted into Furthest Cornell. It must have been decision day or something. |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:14 PM Author: Internet-worthy temple toilet seat OF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523515) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:16 PM Author: curious orchestra pit Objectively, I don't think she would make any money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523520) |
Date: December 19th, 2025 6:15 PM Author: appetizing unhinged goal in life keepsake machete Congratulations on the Jewish Daughter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523516) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:45 PM Author: curious orchestra pit We are zero percent jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523590) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:50 PM Author: appetizing unhinged goal in life keepsake machete There hasn't been a white gentile admitted to Penn since the Obama administration. That's a statistical fact (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523602) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:52 PM Author: curious orchestra pit I didn't say we were white gentiles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523611) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:17 PM Author: Exciting Apoplectic Coldplay Fan Round Eye Just move to PA for that SWeet in state tuition. State College is really nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523529) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:17 PM Author: curious orchestra pit lol
never gets old |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: Comical judgmental casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523627) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:37 PM Author: slimy amber native kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523696) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:47 PM Author: demanding son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523716) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: Violet hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523877) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:45 AM Author: soul-stirring bearded foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525039) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: vivacious business firm circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525166) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 6:37 PM Author: misanthropic property ratface Pittsburg is an okay city too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535112) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:51 PM Author: Dull coiffed multi-billionaire why are you so poor. why didn't you tell her before she applied (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523607) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: curious orchestra pit I didn't think she would get accepted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523612) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: alcoholic flatulent cuckold Great parent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523614) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:43 PM Author: Shimmering Trust Fund This reasoning is normal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523708) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:14 PM Author: demanding son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535207) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:47 PM Author: Dull coiffed multi-billionaire great job dipshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523715) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:00 PM Author: Geriatric Resort LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523623) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: outnumbered fuchsia stag film She can still apply for financial aid. You have to explain the situation to her, but better to do it now when you can still help her fill out all the forms, than to leave it too late. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523626) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:05 PM Author: curious orchestra pit We live WAY beyond our means and our EFC is going to be astronomical due to our high incomes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523630) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:18 PM Author: effete organic girlfriend wow. it would be much better if you were a diligent and well-meaning adult whom the rapidly evolving economy simply passed by. telling her “sorry, dear; we’re tacky hood-rich conSOOMers, so off to beauty school with you!” is going to be a more painful message. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523653) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:19 PM Author: curious orchestra pit We're probably going to sell our house for a 20% loss and downsize significantly.
I haven't even paid off my own student loans yet |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:21 PM Author: effete organic girlfriend she can be proud her family has more carry-forward losses than any of her retard classmates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523661) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:36 PM Author: Trip Set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523811) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:53 PM Author: Dull coiffed multi-billionaire do you think beauty school will admit her after she breaches her early decision agreement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523731) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:38 PM Author: effete organic girlfriend fma. how thorough is an onlyfans background check? man, i sure hope that juicero was worth it to op. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523954) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:04 PM Author: Comical judgmental casino You're either a turbogoy or this is flame. The Ivies are free for anyone making less than like $300k these days. If this isn't flame, then you should stop spending money on dumb goy shit so that your daughter can realize her dream. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523629) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:05 PM Author: curious orchestra pit Turbogoys here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523634) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:45 AM Author: supple step-uncle's house kitty Lol if you make 301k to 999k you are fucked for life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525038) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:23 PM Author: Shimmering Trust Fund Write out the costs for each school under consideration.
Post on refrigerator.
To be honest you should have done this sooner.
If it was me, now, I would just freaking pay it rather than say no. |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:48 PM Author: Vibrant lay alpha It’s December, that means she got in early decision.
Not that you’d know anything about how that works or Ivy League schools in general. |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:49 PM Author: Shimmering Trust Fund Well ex….cuuuuuze me! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523722) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:23 PM Author: High-end Carnelian Depressive great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523673) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:41 PM Author: Nighttime autistic black woman principal's office It sounds like your life is fucked anyway, so just plan to finish in the red and finance it all for her. You might get BKpwned and have to start over in your fifties, but at least she won’t start saddled. If you aren’t going to be able to pass on substantial assets, then the least you can do is kamikaze her debt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523703) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:43 PM Author: curious orchestra pit I'm looking into life insurance policies as we type (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523709) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:28 PM Author: Nighttime autistic black woman principal's office That’s a great start. You’re probably also getting close to the age where you could do catch-up contributions to your retirement accounts, potentially putting more assets beyond the reach of creditors. Primary residence in FL. Spend what’s left and liquid on the kids/pass it on far enough ahead of the inevitable BK to avoid fraudulent transfer rules. Really pile on the leverage and then *poof* he’s gone, like Keyser Soze. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523790) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: Big Roommate Do all banking in Delaware. 10 Del. C. § 3502. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525176) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 5:41 PM Author: Elite parlor pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49526128) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 7:49 PM Author: cocky boiling water You could have gotten her emancipated and on the free tuition train. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523721) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 7:24 AM Author: Arousing drab mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49524567) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:20 PM Author: wonderful frum spot legend Just do take out 300k in loans, what’s the big deal?
If she makes it her job for the next 9 months to apply for scholarships she can put a decent dent in the total cost and literally McDonald’s pays $20/hr so she should work part time starting this weekend through all four years of college (though she should try to finish in 3). |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:22 PM Author: Umber mentally impaired halford range No make her do it. Don't they do federal loans still you never have to pay back or na? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523778) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:24 PM Author: wonderful frum spot legend lol dating yourself. Joe Biden personally ensured that was dead forever in the 2005 bankruptcy bill, which launched the political career of our greatest Native American politician of all time, Elizabeth Warren. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523781) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:39 PM Author: Infuriating aromatic death wish why don't you just pay for your daughter's living expenses and have her take out the rest in student loans? seems pretty straightforward and nbd. Penn CAS opens up many doors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523820) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:46 PM Author: curious orchestra pit I don't think you know how FAFSA works (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523839) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:41 PM Author: Infuriating aromatic death wish retard, i don't think you understand. she can take out as much in loans as she wants, as long as it doesn't exceed her COA. if your EFC makes it so she's not eligible for need-based financial aid, you should stump up the cash for her living expenses at the very least. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523959) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:47 PM Author: passionate violent marketing idea immigrant Typical Gen Xer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523842) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 8:56 PM Author: Canary ungodly brunch doctorate Why didn't you save for college?
Why can't she just go and pay for it through a combination of loans, working, and whatever you can scrounge together? |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:01 PM Author: crawly spectacular theater stage philosopher-king Just let her take out loans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523874) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:22 PM Author: Fluffy opaque pistol What do you mean you “can’t afford it”?
I’ve literally never heard of this and didn’t have any loans for UG/LS so really don’t know that much about this.
Can’t she borrow like $15K per year of it, and can’t you borrow the remainder? And ideally you can pay that off and she can help you based on the bright future PENNIS going to open for her?
I went to an Ivy UG but there were plenty of people with UMC but borderline insolvent parents. Sounds like you just need to fucking man up. |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:27 PM Author: provocative stock car Are you the poaster with the Asian daughter with all the weird fucked up shit on her feet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523920) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:31 PM Author: Sick roast beef How many kids do you have? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523930) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:35 PM Author: abnormal kink-friendly haunted graveyard How much does Penn cost these days?
Your income/net worth? |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:43 PM Author: Stirring Primrose Pozpig How is this even possible if you are at that age? Wouldn’t you be partner / counsel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49523963) |
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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:40 PM Author: Thriller orange hominid FaceTime her from Margaritaville and tell her to enjoy DLA Piper (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49524074) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 4:46 AM Author: Flickering rusted hairy legs athletic conference Do uber shifts at night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49524443) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 4:53 AM Author: bateful heaven shitlib just take out loans bruh and then get disabled and have that shti forgiven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49524446) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 5:12 AM Author: vigorous mildly autistic office Have me assassinate you for life insurance and pimp her out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49524457) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 6:35 AM Author: curious orchestra pit For fucks sake. My other daughter called me up to her room to show me this. https://ibb.co/Lhtk2JDJ |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 1:26 PM Author: vigorous mildly autistic office this bitch is using claude, gpt, and discord (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525484) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:34 AM Author: Fluffy opaque pistol What kind of Asian are you?
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:52 AM Author: curious orchestra pit South Asian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525054) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:37 AM Author: curious orchestra pit ? We're all South Asians, are we not? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525157) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 4:14 PM Author: effete organic girlfriend …in this great dharavi of life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49525941) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 4:40 PM Author: curious orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49526024) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 4:42 PM Author: scarlet center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49526027) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 5:42 PM Author: Elite parlor pervert In that case, just go back to India and take them all with you, they have colleges there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49526130) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:11 PM Author: demanding son of senegal two daughters as an indian? what a curse from Vishnu! forget paying for college. save for dowry lest they be burned alive by pajeet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535194) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:15 PM Author: curious orchestra pit Three daughters and no sons. Vishnu hates me.
I'm Christian btw |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:21 PM Author: demanding son of senegal in all seriousness, looks like they are academically inclined and will do well where ever they go.
try to push towards state flagship, imho. you have to treat them all the same (i also have 3 kids). if one goes to ivy league, the other two are going to want the same. that's a lot of money. but you also said you are high-earning so maybe you'll pull it off. |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:26 PM Author: curious orchestra pit I laughed when she wanted to apply via early decision. Her scores are much lower than my middle daughter. She had hardly any extracurriculars and her essay was crap.
I'm assuming applications are way down or something. |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 4:42 PM Author: scarlet center Wow! Congrats! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49526026) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:22 PM Author: Mahogany Giraffe Church gg, I hosed the reading section and didn't feel like retaking. might have gotten into UChicago if not for my unrigorous 1580 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535230) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:31 PM Author: Lascivious Sneaky Criminal Windowlicker 1580kg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535258) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:28 PM Author: clear fanboi she'll get a full ride at penn st (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535248) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:30 PM Author: Honey-headed indecent stead dingle berry damn man, you maed it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535254) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2025 7:24 PM Author: Mahogany Giraffe Church She'll do fine at a Big 10 school, I mean look at me! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812293&forum_id=2#49535235) |