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Gave partner wrong law. He used it in letter to opp. counsel.
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:33 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction How fukt if he finds out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935647) |
Date: December 15th, 2014 2:34 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib This happened once to a newer associate. He was fired.
ONE WRONG MOVE
- but for real just say you thought he said to do research based on Mississippi law, and they are always on the opposite side. |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:34 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction God dammit, really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935659) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib i would second what the guy below said. You go down fighting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935688) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction elaborate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935692) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:40 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib see infra (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935705) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:37 PM Author: zippy rigor LOL. Good for you. Fuck that partner scum, make him look bad, ha! Confidence bro, either you have it or you're lost. We're judged by out fuck ups in this business, not our successes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935682) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction :( what should I do bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935689) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction freaking out bros I could really use some consolation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935686) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:39 PM Author: olive private investor lol why are u worried? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935695) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction I don't want to get shitcanned if opposing counsel notices it's the wrong law and pwns the partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935719) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib lol that is his job my young squire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935742) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Yea so I'm fucked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935756) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:39 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib tell the partner that you are right. Do not show weakness. Do not step down. FUCK THE LAW. You are here to overturn it! Public policy has changed because you just entered the legal battlefield.
Show some god damn erudition and lawyer. |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction It's pretty clear I'm wrong though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935757) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:54 PM Author: crystalline garrison ratface Has the partner caught on yet? If the letter has gone out with the error, I would certainly not raise the issue at this point. Good chance opposing counsel either never bothers to look up the cite, quickly looks it up but doesn't notice your mistake, or notices it and has a good chuckle but doesn't really make anything of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935811) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Yea it's gone out. I'm hoping nothing ever comes of it, but we will see. Partner has no idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935817) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:52 PM Author: Odious friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937536) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: crystalline garrison ratface How wrong were you? Provide more details on the type of issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935721) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction The issue I researched has a name that applies to multiple issues. I didn't realize it, and used caselaw from a strand of law that is irrelevant to the issue I researched, albeit with the same name.
I have an excuse for fucking up, but I shouldn't have let it happen |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib this man has BIGLAW written right dab smack on the forehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935747) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Who? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935759) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:48 PM Author: crystalline garrison ratface But if you were literally researching the wrong legal issue, how did you provide the partner with something that he could use? If I ask you to go find me a hammer and you come back with a carrot, it's fairly clear that we've had a failure to communicate. I don't just start whacking away at a nail with a vegetable.
Did you provide him with some one-off quote or something? Did he just want a case to support an assertion of law that he had already written? |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:50 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction One off quote Edit: it was part of a larger memo that had everything else right. He literally used the only paragraph that was wrong |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:52 PM Author: crystalline garrison ratface if you haven't already done so, you should go an research and see if you can find a similar quote applicable to the proper version of the principle in question. Then at least you can feel like the error was just a bad cite rather than a false legal assertion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935801) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:53 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction This is a good idea. I'm going to do this tonight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935805) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: abusive titillating gas station Dood, stop the letter from being received by opp. counsel. Take some fucking initiative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935755) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction I'm realizing it's wromg after the fact. Of course I'd say something otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935762) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:47 PM Author: abusive titillating gas station Go to the post office and get the letter, then switch it with a letter that has the right law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935769) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:48 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Too late (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935775) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:49 PM Author: abusive titillating gas station Do you have one of those Men in Black memory eraser pens? Do it to all involved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935779) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:51 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Ok bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935789) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 4:41 PM Author: zombie-like exciting weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936399) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 9:44 PM Author: Milky whorehouse police squad "Hello, my name is Mister Burns. I believe you have a letter for me." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26938351) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: olive private investor Drive to the office and intercept the letter (if and only if this is legal in your jurisdiction). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935763) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:49 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction They already received it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935777) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:48 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib Just send out another letter overnight mail, which will beat the snail mail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935774) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:51 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib What if you go in the casebook, edit the letter with the RIGHT LAW and act like nothing ever happened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935796) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:53 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935804) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: Sepia native Thoughts and prayers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935816) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 4:41 PM Author: zombie-like exciting weed whacker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936403) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 9:39 PM Author: Pale Knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26938300) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: abusive titillating gas station Call Westlaw and ask them to change the case you cited to the case you should have cited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935818) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:08 PM Author: Rough-skinned Set Depressive file a lawsuit asserting the issue you should have been researching. include the quote you mistakenly cited in the letter. send copy to partner like "guess we were right all along!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935877) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:11 PM Author: territorial twinkling uncleanness piazza I had this happen once. Totally got the law wrong, and the partner just cut and pasted my error into a motion and filed it. Not only that, but I had a typo in the actual citation, which he also copied over. Lolz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935887) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:12 PM Author: Boyish Shitlib the fact that this "happened once" I assume you were shitcanned the following week/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935888) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:14 PM Author: territorial twinkling uncleanness piazza Nah, I told the partner about it. He just kinda shrugged. Motion got denied, don't think the judge or anybody else ever read it. It was a stupid motion asking for discovery sanctions or something anyways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935902) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:21 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Should I tell him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935937) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:17 PM Author: Copper Talented Home Famous Landscape Painting Not flame: man up and let partner bro know what happened (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935919) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:19 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Fuck really? I think there's a chance no one will find out, and when they do I can play it off as an honest mistake. Which route is preferable? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935929) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:24 PM Author: territorial twinkling uncleanness piazza I would probably come clean. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935955) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:26 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26935966) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:56 PM Author: honey-headed multi-colored faggot firefighter wrong. answer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936114) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:58 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Elaborate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936122) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 4:08 PM Author: honey-headed multi-colored faggot firefighter If you admit your mistake, 100% chance partner will be pissed off at you. You would also be admitting that you should have realized the error at the time.
If you say nothing, there's a good chance that one of the following happens: 1) no one notices the error, possibly because the whole thing blows over, or because this ends up not being a determining factor 2) partner realizes error but thinks "oh well, anyone could have made that mistake, I wouldn't have caught that" 3) opposing counsel presents counterargument in a way that doesn't make it obvious that you were flat out wrong |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 4:36 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Tyvm. Wish me luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936350) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:54 PM Author: crystalline garrison ratface In a brief, i might agree. There's a duty to the court not to present bullshit law. In a letter to opposing counsel? No way. No upside. Only downside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937548) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:45 PM Author: dashing seedy digit ratio fuck that shit brother. I have written many memos by stretching the law. I always went down fighting. Now, I am going in-house. Sometimes you just have to fucking stand for something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936052) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:49 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Breh if I'm clearly wrong don't I just have to take any screaming/bitching like a good little associate and hope I don't get canned? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936079) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:53 PM Author: dashing seedy digit ratio whenever I have admitted to a failure, it has always turned out bad for me. Whenever it was a mistake that I stood behind, it was never that bad. Ultimately, it depends on your partner. Can you make any plausible argument that your position is the right one? Tell him: "If the law is on your side, pound the law. If the facts are on your side, then pound the facts. If neither the law nor the facts are on your side, then pound the table." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936098) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:55 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction I'm going to go home tonight and pepper my angus while researching the issue further and desperately trying to find a reason why my fuck up isn't actually a fuck up. I will report back with results later (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936108) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:47 PM Author: Cerebral Puppy Tank I honestly wouldn't worry about it, this sit happens constantly, you'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936064) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:48 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936075) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:50 PM Author: Cerebral Puppy Tank I'm assuming you've been talking to a recruiter, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936086) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:51 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Lol cmon dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936087) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:52 PM Author: Cerebral Puppy Tank :) kidding. Don't worry too much, though, for real. What's done is done, just pepper yr angus and resolve not to fuck up again in the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936095) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:55 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936109) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:57 PM Author: Slippery internet-worthy school The irony is taht opp counsel doesnt have time to read your fucking stupid letters or check your citations so it doesnt even matter, but 99% of what biglol does doesnt matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936121) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:58 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Hopefully you're right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936126) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 3:58 PM Author: Bateful menage doctorate its just a letter to opp counsel? who cares! just get it right for the judge. i sometimes intentionally send incorrect law in those letters to mask my actual argument before the court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936124) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 4:03 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction This is hopeful. Hopefully partner has similar mindset. Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936149) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 4:03 PM Author: Misanthropic blue gaming laptop Don't sweat it man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936151) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 4:13 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Ty, I will try (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936190) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 5:59 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction UPDATE: I lucked out. Opposing counsel responded. He didn't notice my fuck up, and we're moving on to other issues. God I hate when things like this happen. FMA. But I am elated that this turned out alright (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936852) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 6:15 PM Author: dashing seedy digit ratio 180. Congrats. How did dat rush feel? Did you feel alive while panicking about the letter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26936929) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:50 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Oh man it was 180. I got an email from the partner that said: "I just received this from opposing counsel. Please read and give me your thoughts." I got nervous as fukkk: time slowed down, I puckered my butthold, and sweat began to bead on my forehead. I was so nervous I had to read the letter a few times before I understood that I wasnt fucked. Opposing counsel mentioned the bad case we cited in a paragraph, and when I saw it I thought I was fucked, but he clearly didn't take the time to read the case, bc he attacked it on some other minor point. YNY. All in all, it turned out to be a 180 day. Feels good to win one for once (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937524) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:53 PM Author: Bateful menage doctorate You sound like a puss and a terrible lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937540) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:54 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Correct about both assertions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937547) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:54 PM Author: Bateful menage doctorate Haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937550) |
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Date: December 16th, 2014 1:20 AM Author: scarlet office 180.
Protip: most lawyers are incompetent. Don't operate like they are, but it helps to remember that when you drop the ball. |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:54 PM Author: Bearded Step-uncle's House Sometimes I think the rush when a worry isnt realized is worth the worry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937551) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:56 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction Every once and awhile it's nice if things work out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937562) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:55 PM Author: crystalline garrison ratface *high five* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937553) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 7:55 PM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26937557) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 9:39 PM Author: glittery godawful antidepressant drug twist: there was a \ in the upper left corner of opposing counsel's letter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26938307) |
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Date: December 16th, 2014 1:18 AM Author: hateful round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26940270) |
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Date: January 2nd, 2015 1:27 AM Author: fiercely-loyal dysfunction What did you mean by this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#27039996) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 9:16 PM Author: Thirsty area Lol jfc @ this thread, it's pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26938124) |
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Date: December 15th, 2014 9:37 PM Author: irradiated mood happened to me once. i was chewed out, but that was it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2757175&forum_id=2#26938274) |