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Can you teach UG with a JD?

does this happen? i am guessing very rarely if at all.
gay abode
  06/27/04
yes, you can.
Maniacal home giraffe
  06/27/04
Yes, you can definitely teach UG with a JD. However, you'll...
Glittery magenta main people
  06/27/04
i had a poli sci professor who was a JD. but as another pos...
Concupiscible bronze boistinker
  06/27/04
It's rare, at least at reputable universities. One of the f...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/27/04
My understanding was that "PhD" is just their shor...
effete cerebral love of her life base
  06/27/04
I think that it is actually shorthand for the terminal degre...
infuriating racy corner
  06/27/04
JD stands for "Juris Doctor", not "Doctorate&...
talented aggressive piazza pervert
  06/27/04
You sound as passionate at Onizuka on this topic. I didn't a...
effete cerebral love of her life base
  06/27/04
The JD is clearly not the highest degree in the field. It's...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/27/04
I was wrong about the law rankings. You're right.
effete cerebral love of her life base
  06/27/04
Keep in mind that America is the only country where a law de...
talented aggressive piazza pervert
  06/28/04
In those countries, the medical degree is also a non-graduat...
purple hairless trust fund preventive strike
  06/28/04
True, but if memory serves me correctly, you still need to h...
talented aggressive piazza pervert
  06/28/04
Law is practiced differently in those countries. You cannot...
silver step-uncle's house crotch
  06/30/04
REcall that until about thirty years ago, law degrees in the...
Vibrant khaki idiot jewess
  04/19/05
By your definition, an MD is also a professional degree. On...
Judgmental bisexual shrine marketing idea
  06/30/04
You forgot EdDs!
olive flirting stage bbw
  06/29/04
That's "Doctor" to you.
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
an EdD in phys ed is easily the least prestigious doctorate.
Lilac hell
  06/30/04
Yet they, above all other PhDs, will insist on you calling t...
silver step-uncle's house crotch
  06/30/04
You're forgetting D.O.
Razzmatazz ape dilemma
  04/19/05
My uncle is a M.Oc.C.H. (Masters' in Occupational Clinical H...
Hyperventilating cracking half-breed persian
  04/19/05
i never had a JD as a prof, nor had i heard of any prof at m...
Lilac hell
  06/27/04
Yeah, I was at Hunter until last semester and this lawyer ta...
opaque feces station
  06/27/04
i think it's because of USNWR, to be honest. yep, one of ...
Lilac hell
  06/27/04
Staten Island? Is it that bad? One of my HS buddies went t...
opaque feces station
  06/27/04
academically speaking, it's an absolute toilet. OK campus th...
Lilac hell
  06/29/04
haha I know a guy at work who just graduated. he told me ...
dull sticky resort jew
  06/29/04
"he only got a C+ on the LSAT." classic. tha...
Lilac hell
  06/29/04
I know what you mean, especially when it comes to arguing ...
Heady insane sex offender athletic conference
  06/30/04
yep, apparently it's possible. even FTT's want a 145 LSAT an...
Lilac hell
  06/30/04
Yeah?
floppy flatulent generalized bond gay wizard
  04/19/05
This really isn't true. CUNY is truly dedicated to its miss...
haunting institution
  04/19/05
this has to be flame
Apoplectic learning disabled gas station
  04/19/05
There were a couple of JDs that taught classes at my UG, but...
infuriating racy corner
  06/27/04
yeah, occasionally JDs teach. the Dean of my residential co...
Drunken famous landscape painting heaven
  06/28/04
they have an AA Dean? wow
charismatic office candlestick maker
  06/28/04
yeah, a lot of college these days have AA deans they sometim...
jet queen of the night
  06/28/04
Oh cool, you're anti-AA. I wasn't aware. Then again, I've ne...
Honey-headed misanthropic property
  06/28/04
Yes, you can, and I had several UG professors with just JDs.
Bateful laser beams
  06/28/04
if you want to be a tenure track prof, you have to get a PhD...
jet queen of the night
  06/28/04
Not true. At UVA, a couple of professor with just JDs had t...
Bateful laser beams
  06/28/04
You sure they weren't tenured at UVA Law, and just taught so...
talented aggressive piazza pervert
  06/28/04
The only JD prof I was aware of was the awesome guy
hateful painfully honest plaza place of business
  06/30/04
Besides Louisiana, America is a common law system. Do you m...
silver step-uncle's house crotch
  06/30/04
...
hateful painfully honest plaza place of business
  06/30/04
What's his name?
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/30/04
...
hateful painfully honest plaza place of business
  06/30/04
Not tenure track: http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/facult...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/30/04
By the way, universities can grant tenure to whomever the he...
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
Duh.
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
It's obviously not so clear to some around these parts.
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
Who suggested otherwise?
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
"if you want to be a tenure track prof, you have to get...
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
Read the next line. She clearly means that schools generall...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
Someone did say above that JDs cannot be tenured because the...
Dark stead goal in life
  06/29/04
It also says "no reputable school," dipshit. If...
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
It's funny how quickly you resort to ad homs when somebody c...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
"You could have simply pointed that out instead of beha...
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
It means you post shit that is irrelevant to the discussion ...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
No, actually it doesn't mean that. It refers specifically t...
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
See my edit. People often use the term to mean "someth...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
People are idiots. People say shit like "irregardless....
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
Unlike "irregardless," which is a mistaken and unn...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
"...not an error but a reasonable extension of the orig...
Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle
  06/29/04
This is generally the case. Of course, if you have a JD wit...
Bateful laser beams
  06/29/04
In which case you'd be a fool to take a UG teaching job.
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/29/04
Well, we all know that you can be very qualified and still n...
Bateful laser beams
  06/29/04
I had an adjunct at Iowa State that taught a course in the a...
Arousing Lodge Double Fault
  06/29/04
Iowa State = community college
Mind-boggling mad cow disease
  06/29/04
Haha, I was expecting that. While its clearly not a top uni...
Arousing Lodge Double Fault
  06/29/04
How hot are the Iowa sluts?
Mind-boggling mad cow disease
  06/30/04
If you mean the chicks in the state of Iowa in general, they...
Arousing Lodge Double Fault
  07/01/04
at most research I-type universities (top 50 or so), you nee...
angry location
  06/30/04
I don't know where you come up with these categorical statem...
Bateful laser beams
  06/30/04
someone with a JD is most likely going to be applying for te...
jet queen of the night
  06/30/04
Hmmm...I respectfully disagree. I took some classes with bo...
Bateful laser beams
  06/30/04
i am yet to find a single professor who is tenured at a poli...
angry location
  06/30/04
Well, at NYU for instance: http://www.law.nyu.edu/ils/fac...
Bateful laser beams
  06/30/04
this is not a traditional arts and sciences dept. it is an i...
angry location
  06/30/04
Yeah, that doesn't prove anything. Those are law professors...
Soul-stirring Parlour
  06/30/04
Not that this applies to most would-be UG teachers, but at H...
bearded laughsome box office
  06/30/04
correct. this is a truly exceptional honor, however. it cert...
angry location
  06/30/04
So Ron Jeremy should get to teach human sexuality, right? (...
Mind-boggling mad cow disease
  06/30/04
he does have a M.Ed
Lilac hell
  07/01/04
Many "top" UGs have a con. law class at the UG lev...
aphrodisiac multi-billionaire range
  07/02/04
We're gettin' a lot of love from jd2b lately
Glittery magenta main people
  07/02/04
there's a constitutional law course at my school taught by a...
spectacular coldplay fan
  04/19/05
Are you talking about Amar?
Hideous crusty immigrant forum
  04/19/05
off/topic but related: does anyone have statistics regard...
milky internal respiration telephone
  04/19/05
Many also have a JD/MA combo.
Bat Shit Crazy Contagious Organic Girlfriend
  04/19/05
Basically, if you want to teach undergrad, don't get a JD. ...
lemon becky
  04/19/05
you can do plenty of things with a JD like write novels a...
milky internal respiration telephone
  04/19/05
You don't need a JD for that.
lemon becky
  04/19/05


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Date: June 27th, 2004 12:15 AM
Author: gay abode

does this happen? i am guessing very rarely if at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#820752)





Date: June 27th, 2004 10:28 AM
Author: Maniacal home giraffe
Subject: yes, you can.

I believe that my UG business law professor had just a JD and maybe an MBA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#822268)





Date: June 27th, 2004 10:34 AM
Author: Glittery magenta main people

Yes, you can definitely teach UG with a JD. However, you'll most likely be teaching business classes, and you might have to be an adjunct (i.e. - non-tenure)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#822274)





Date: June 27th, 2004 10:42 AM
Author: Concupiscible bronze boistinker

i had a poli sci professor who was a JD. but as another poster said i think he was an adjunct or a visiting assistant prof.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#822285)





Date: June 27th, 2004 2:12 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

It's rare, at least at reputable universities. One of the factors in the undergrad US News rankings is what % of classes are taught by PhDs (unless they've changed the formula since I applied).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#822831)





Date: June 27th, 2004 7:53 PM
Author: effete cerebral love of her life base

My understanding was that "PhD" is just their shorthand for "doctorate," so PhilDs, MDs, JDs, ThDs, DBAs etc. meet the US news criteria.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#824698)





Date: June 27th, 2004 8:01 PM
Author: infuriating racy corner

I think that it is actually shorthand for the terminal degree in a field. JD wouldn't qualify for that. I could be wrong, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#824768)





Date: June 27th, 2004 8:14 PM
Author: talented aggressive piazza pervert

JD stands for "Juris Doctor", not "Doctorate". People with JD's are not in a position to go around calling themselves "Dr." as a MD or PhD grad may do freely. A JD, like an MBA, is a *professional* degree (read: trade school), it's not an academic degree.

PhD's undergo years of intensive independant research (sometimes 8-10 yrs), ultimate culminating in a dissertation which must be defended by a panel of scholars in the field. JD's have no such exhaustive requirement.

So basically no, JD's do not meet the USNews "PhD" criteria, and in answering the OP, it's rare to find JD's teaching at universities, and if they are, it's only as adjuncts or visiting profs. JD's cannot be tenured professors, as they do not have the proper credentials.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#824865)





Date: June 27th, 2004 10:08 PM
Author: effete cerebral love of her life base

You sound as passionate at Onizuka on this topic. I didn't advocate calling them "doctors," and I'm not stupid - I know what PhD's go through. And as far as their 5+ years of getting the degree being "intensive," I guess that just depends on what their PhD, where they got it, and how much of a slack-ass their advisor allowed them to be.

Quote from USNews on the topic is this: "We also weigh the proportion of professors with the highest degree in their fields (15 percent of the score)" I'll bet that the law schools and undergrads that fill out USNews surveys count a JD as the "highest" degree in the field notwithstanding the LLM and SJD - after all law schools wouldn't want to sacrifice points.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/about/04rank_brief.php

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#825681)





Date: June 27th, 2004 10:15 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

The JD is clearly not the highest degree in the field. It's the LOWEST. This should be obvious.

"after all law schools wouldn't want to sacrifice points."

They don't. The law school rankings don't include this component.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#825718)





Date: June 27th, 2004 10:25 PM
Author: effete cerebral love of her life base

I was wrong about the law rankings. You're right.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#825778)





Date: June 28th, 2004 7:15 PM
Author: talented aggressive piazza pervert

Keep in mind that America is the only country where a law degree is considered a "graduate" degree. In most countries law in an undergrad concentration, and people can practice law fresh out of college.

Not that this adds much to the discussion, but its just meant to point out that a garden-variety law degree (without an LLM or SJD specialization) isn't necessarily anything to tip your hat at, and certainly doesn't garner as much respect as those who devote the years to acquiring a PhD.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#833792)





Date: June 28th, 2004 7:23 PM
Author: purple hairless trust fund preventive strike

In those countries, the medical degree is also a non-graduate degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#833843)





Date: June 28th, 2004 7:27 PM
Author: talented aggressive piazza pervert

True, but if memory serves me correctly, you still need to have a good amount of of pre-reqs (and sometimes even special test scores) to pursue the study of medicine. Law, while highly regarded as a noble profession, is still seen as a major open to almost anyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#833862)





Date: June 30th, 2004 10:15 AM
Author: silver step-uncle's house crotch

Law is practiced differently in those countries. You cannot compare U.S. vs. international law schools, since they are completely different animals. French law schools require intensive work experience (one year of work at a firm after your first year, then another year of work after your third year,) and so the focus is much more real world and much less classroom. U.S. is the only place that primarily teaches law through the socratic method, though Japan is starting some "American-style" LS there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849251)





Date: April 19th, 2005 11:44 AM
Author: Vibrant khaki idiot jewess

REcall that until about thirty years ago, law degrees in the US were known as "LLB," bachelor of law. They changed the name to JD in an effort to make it sound mroe prestigious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2591572)





Date: June 30th, 2004 1:19 AM
Author: Judgmental bisexual shrine marketing idea

By your definition, an MD is also a professional degree. One doesn't usually go to medical school if one does not want to become a doctor. A JD is more comparable with an MD than with an MBA, which is only a *master's* degree, not a doctorate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#847833)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:37 PM
Author: olive flirting stage bbw

You forgot EdDs!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844552)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:42 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

That's "Doctor" to you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844601)





Date: June 30th, 2004 4:08 PM
Author: Lilac hell

an EdD in phys ed is easily the least prestigious doctorate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#853925)





Date: June 30th, 2004 5:00 PM
Author: silver step-uncle's house crotch

Yet they, above all other PhDs, will insist on you calling them doctor. If you don't have an MD, you're not a doctor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#854613)





Date: April 19th, 2005 5:37 AM
Author: Razzmatazz ape dilemma

You're forgetting D.O.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2590999)





Date: April 19th, 2005 1:39 PM
Author: Hyperventilating cracking half-breed persian

My uncle is a M.Oc.C.H. (Masters' in Occupational Clinical Health). It's some useless public health degree -- he's an ergonomics consultant. I just call him a mooch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2592186)





Date: June 27th, 2004 2:55 PM
Author: Lilac hell

i never had a JD as a prof, nor had i heard of any prof at my UG who taught with just a JD.

but i know the local CUNY allows it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#822956)





Date: June 27th, 2004 2:58 PM
Author: opaque feces station

Yeah, I was at Hunter until last semester and this lawyer taught my women and the law class. She was the best professor I had while at Hunter; they should encourage it. Even their tenured professors are crappy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#822968)





Date: June 27th, 2004 3:01 PM
Author: Lilac hell

i think it's because of USNWR, to be honest.

yep, one of my buddies is a super-senior at hunter. i was thinking about CSI though - what a FTT that school is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#822992)





Date: June 27th, 2004 3:03 PM
Author: opaque feces station

Staten Island? Is it that bad? One of my HS buddies went there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#823014)





Date: June 29th, 2004 7:01 PM
Author: Lilac hell

academically speaking, it's an absolute toilet. OK campus though. but in terms of academics, it's like a 4 year community college.

open enrollment means half the school is in remedial classes.

it had USNWR highest acceptance rate at 100% for a number of years. it's the Cooley of UG's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844815)





Date: June 29th, 2004 7:26 PM
Author: dull sticky resort jew

haha I know a guy at work who just graduated.

he told me his friend is going to Touro, and this guy is pretty excited since "he only got a C+ on the LSAT."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845007)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:27 PM
Author: Lilac hell

"he only got a C+ on the LSAT."

classic.

that's like something my old man would say. he still believes one of his friend's kids goes to Princeton Law.

i know someone that got rejected from CUNY Law. it's funny how different the perspective on this board is from real life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845547)





Date: June 30th, 2004 11:02 AM
Author: Heady insane sex offender athletic conference

I know what you mean, especially when it comes to arguing about undergrad. Attending and/or graduating from college is a pretty big triumph for lots of people I know.

All the same, I have never heard of anyone getting rejected from CUNY Law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849878)





Date: June 30th, 2004 4:04 PM
Author: Lilac hell

yep, apparently it's possible. even FTT's want a 145 LSAT and a 3.0ish GPA nowadays. apaprently 70% of their applicants don't have that.

IMHO, getting rejected from CUNY Law is quite possibly the least pretigious thing on earth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#853864)





Date: April 19th, 2005 12:54 PM
Author: floppy flatulent generalized bond gay wizard
Subject: Yeah?

How about being waitlisted at Southwestern? I was studying with a kid last night and he said it happened to his friend, who went to U of Arizona undergrad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2591926)





Date: April 19th, 2005 1:08 PM
Author: haunting institution

This really isn't true. CUNY is truly dedicated to its mission of providing a legal education to the truly dumb. I know people with serious splits due to undergrad slacking (165+/~2.5) who were promptly rejected from CUNY, yet accepted at far better schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2592020)





Date: April 19th, 2005 5:12 AM
Author: Apoplectic learning disabled gas station

this has to be flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2590977)





Date: June 27th, 2004 3:06 PM
Author: infuriating racy corner

There were a couple of JDs that taught classes at my UG, but they were adjunct, and their classes were highly specialized.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#823037)





Date: June 28th, 2004 3:02 PM
Author: Drunken famous landscape painting heaven

yeah, occasionally JDs teach. the Dean of my residential college, who taught an English seminar and was Director of Undergraduate Studies for the "Special Divisional Major" (make your own major dept) graduated from Columbia w/ her JD. i went to yale. while admittedly her role was more administrative/counseling than academic, she still did teach. i assume she wasnt tenured (most deans aren't).

she is now affirmative action dean at columbia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#831184)





Date: June 28th, 2004 3:04 PM
Author: charismatic office candlestick maker

they have an AA Dean? wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#831219)





Date: June 28th, 2004 3:20 PM
Author: jet queen of the night

yeah, a lot of college these days have AA deans they sometimes call "diversity" or "multicutural awareness" deans.

it's total bs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#831400)





Date: June 28th, 2004 7:38 PM
Author: Honey-headed misanthropic property

Oh cool, you're anti-AA. I wasn't aware. Then again, I've never really seen any of your posts (just the ones who have seemed totally and unnecessarily harsh). Are you going to SLS in the fall?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#833946)





Date: June 28th, 2004 3:04 PM
Author: Bateful laser beams

Yes, you can, and I had several UG professors with just JDs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#831207)





Date: June 28th, 2004 3:21 PM
Author: jet queen of the night

if you want to be a tenure track prof, you have to get a PhD in addition to getting a JD.

no reputable school would let you teach with just a JD.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#831416)





Date: June 28th, 2004 3:22 PM
Author: Bateful laser beams

Not true. At UVA, a couple of professor with just JDs had tenure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#831424)





Date: June 28th, 2004 7:18 PM
Author: talented aggressive piazza pervert

You sure they weren't tenured at UVA Law, and just taught some specialized UG classes on the side as adjuncts? I'm highly skeptical that a school as reputable as UVA would hire a JD to be a tenure-track prof in any major dept. (like PolySci, History, etc).

Citing to a link would be nice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#833803)





Date: June 30th, 2004 10:29 AM
Author: hateful painfully honest plaza place of business
Subject: The only JD prof I was aware of was the awesome guy

who taught the incredibly popular "Comm Law" class, which was taught within the undergrad business school, but was really just an introduction to the american legal (civil law) system. I think he was tenure track, but i doubt he had done any research or anything, he was just a great lecturer. If anyone goes to UVa, many double-Hoos will end up TA'ing this class occasionally.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849394)





Date: June 30th, 2004 10:32 AM
Author: silver step-uncle's house crotch

Besides Louisiana, America is a common law system. Do you mean the law of civil actions as opposed to criminal law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849434)





Date: June 30th, 2004 10:50 AM
Author: hateful painfully honest plaza place of business
Subject: Yeah, i was unclear...civil actions not criminal law



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849676)





Date: June 30th, 2004 4:06 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

What's his name?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#853893)





Date: June 30th, 2004 5:45 PM
Author: hateful painfully honest plaza place of business
Subject: Wheeler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#855178)





Date: June 30th, 2004 5:54 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

Not tenure track:

http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/faculty_research/staff_directory/wheeler.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#855261)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:36 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

By the way, universities can grant tenure to whomever the hell they want.

In the vast majority of cases, that's PhDs -- but not always.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844537)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:38 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

Duh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844565)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:42 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

It's obviously not so clear to some around these parts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844605)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:56 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

Who suggested otherwise?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844762)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:59 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

"if you want to be a tenure track prof, you have to get a PhD in addition to getting a JD."

You can look for that one all by yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844786)





Date: June 29th, 2004 7:03 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

Read the next line. She clearly means that schools generally *won't* hire someone without a PhD for a tenure track position, not that they *can't*. The words "would let" make that clear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844826)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:01 PM
Author: Dark stead goal in life

Someone did say above that JDs cannot be tenured because they don't have the "proper credentials."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845320)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:03 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

It also says "no reputable school," dipshit.

If you don't grasp the implications of that, you're not bright enough for this conversation to be worth the energy it takes to depress my short-stroke laptop keys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845345)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:21 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

It's funny how quickly you resort to ad homs when somebody challenges one of your many worthless and unhelpful posts.

There's nothing in Nutella's post that indicates that anything you've wrote in your OP is news to her. However, as ewelty points out, there is a post by someone else above that does state that JD's can't be tenured. You could have simply pointed that out instead of behaving like a petulant jackass.

However given the frequency with which you post non sequiturs, I'm beginning to doubt whether you ever bother to read more than the thread title before dumping your verbal diarrhea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845482)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:24 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

"You could have simply pointed that out instead of behaving like a petulant jackass"

The conclusion would have been the same. I'm glad you agree.

"given the frequency with which you post non sequiturs"

I don't think you know what "non sequitur" means. Please, never again use a term until you know what it means or you are inquiring about its meaning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845516)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:25 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

It means you post shit that is irrelevant to the discussion or debate at hand.

EDIT: I suppose you will object that this is not the technical definition of "non sequitur," but it is in line with the common usage.

HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845530)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:27 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

No, actually it doesn't mean that. It refers specifically to conclusions that do not follow logically from the preceding premises. In short, it means "does not follow." It does not mean "irrelevant." It comments on logical relationships among propositions.

I told you to look it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845556)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:28 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

See my edit. People often use the term to mean "something out of left field."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845561)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:29 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

People are idiots. People say shit like "irregardless." Do you want to be one of those people?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845571)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:33 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

Unlike "irregardless," which is a mistaken and unnecessary conflation of two words, use of the term "non sequitur" in this context is, in my view, not an error but a reasonable extension of the original meaning.

I'd love to argue about this more, but I'm off now. Flame away (not that you need any encouragement).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845604)





Date: June 29th, 2004 8:42 PM
Author: Mustard fragrant orchestra pit wrinkle

"...not an error but a reasonable extension of the original meaning."

No, if you're going to use Latin terms about logic, don't try to make yourself look smarter than you are. Don't fuck up and misuse words. Sometimes someone will call you on your bullshit.

"I'd love to argue about this more, but I'm off now."

Do be sure to bring back some more misused logic terms when you return.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#845688)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:39 PM
Author: Bateful laser beams

This is generally the case. Of course, if you have a JD with a high class rank from a good school and several good publications, you should be fine. In other words, if you have a good shot at teaching at law school, you should have a good shot at teaching UG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844571)





Date: June 29th, 2004 6:57 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

In which case you'd be a fool to take a UG teaching job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844770)





Date: June 29th, 2004 7:00 PM
Author: Bateful laser beams

Well, we all know that you can be very qualified and still not get a tenure track teaching position at a law school, or a decent one. If you're one of these people on the brink, teaching UG is not a bad idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#844796)





Date: June 29th, 2004 11:31 PM
Author: Arousing Lodge Double Fault

I had an adjunct at Iowa State that taught a course in the accounting department called legal environment of business that was required for all business majors that only had a JD.

I think its more common than you think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#846991)





Date: June 29th, 2004 11:33 PM
Author: Mind-boggling mad cow disease

Iowa State = community college

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#847000)





Date: June 29th, 2004 11:49 PM
Author: Arousing Lodge Double Fault

Haha, I was expecting that. While its clearly not a top university, it is ranked in the top 40 public universities--thats the one area in which the state of Iowa excelled in--education.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#847153)





Date: June 30th, 2004 8:01 PM
Author: Mind-boggling mad cow disease

How hot are the Iowa sluts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#856277)





Date: July 1st, 2004 1:21 AM
Author: Arousing Lodge Double Fault

If you mean the chicks in the state of Iowa in general, they're very average. Typical midwestern girls. Now at both major state universities, Iowa and Iowa State their are loads of hotties though Iowa seems to have a deeper roster of sluts because the majority of their student body comes from Chicago.

I actually live in Chicago now and am disappointed by the women here, don't get me wrong there some hotties, but its certainly not better than it was in undergrad, except the bitches are more stuck-up here.

Hope this helps

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#859028)





Date: June 30th, 2004 10:22 AM
Author: angry location

at most research I-type universities (top 50 or so), you need a phd to teach in the traditional arts and sciences depts. there may be exceptions here and there, but you'll be at an enormous disadvantage competing with the hordes of phd students who've been preparing for that job for the past decade. the same holds true for most top-tier LACs.

i don't know much about community colleges and comprehensive universities. it is probably easier to teach there with a jd. but why would you want to? no time to do research, weaker student body, and really low salaries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849322)





Date: June 30th, 2004 10:34 AM
Author: Bateful laser beams

I don't know where you come up with these categorical statements. Sure, you're better off with a PhD, but presumably if you are looking to teach with a JD, you are looking to teach law or law related classes. And a) there just aren't that many qualified JD/PhD candidates who want to teach at UG, and b) there aren't many PhD/non-JD candidates qualified to teach these classes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849459)





Date: June 30th, 2004 10:53 AM
Author: jet queen of the night

someone with a JD is most likely going to be applying for teaching positions within the poli sci, history or philosphy depts. a PhD doesn't just make you "better off." it would be virtually impossible for you to get a tenure track position without a PhD and a good track record of published works. since UG law and law-related classes are usually cross-disciplinary (e.g. philosophy of law, law and econ, jurisprudence, history of the supreme court) and nothing like actual law school classes, a PhD is just as qualified (if not more) to teach such classes as a JD.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849718)





Date: June 30th, 2004 11:00 AM
Author: Bateful laser beams

Hmmm...I respectfully disagree. I took some classes with both, and I found the profs with JDs to be much more knoweldgeable. The ones w/out JDs were really poor on the legal side of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#849849)





Date: June 30th, 2004 11:56 AM
Author: angry location

i am yet to find a single professor who is tenured at a polisci/hist/philo dept at a reputable, research university and only has a JD on his resume.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#850645)





Date: June 30th, 2004 11:58 AM
Author: Bateful laser beams

Well, at NYU for instance:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/ils/facbios.html

Please, give it a rest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#850689)





Date: June 30th, 2004 12:02 PM
Author: angry location

this is not a traditional arts and sciences dept. it is an interdisciplinary unit that draws professors from other departments (sociology, polisci) and schools (law). you'll notice that virtually all the profs who only have a JD have a primary appointment with the law school. the ones with PhDs and PhD/JDs are drawn from FAS-type depts.

i don't mean to perpetuate an argument here, just trying to be helpful that's all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#850747)





Date: June 30th, 2004 3:59 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Parlour

Yeah, that doesn't prove anything. Those are law professors who teach a few UG courses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#853801)





Date: June 30th, 2004 4:07 PM
Author: bearded laughsome box office

Not that this applies to most would-be UG teachers, but at Harvard, profs in any field can be appointed University Professors, which means they can teach in any school, including the college. Michelman and Tribe, who only have JDs, are University Professors. Horwitz, with only a JD, has taught a course in Harvard's undergrad Core.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#853909)





Date: June 30th, 2004 4:11 PM
Author: angry location

correct. this is a truly exceptional honor, however. it certainly does not apply to folk wondering if they can get a job teaching at a good polisci dept with a JD. people like tribe, sandel etc. are at the very top of their fields, and they do get to teach wherever they want because they've already made significant achievements in their own field.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#853969)





Date: June 30th, 2004 8:04 PM
Author: Mind-boggling mad cow disease

So Ron Jeremy should get to teach human sexuality, right? (since he's made significant achievements in his own field)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#856331)





Date: July 1st, 2004 1:39 AM
Author: Lilac hell

he does have a M.Ed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#859175)





Date: July 2nd, 2004 10:30 AM
Author: aphrodisiac multi-billionaire range

Many "top" UGs have a con. law class at the UG level which can be and often are taught by JDs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#870298)





Date: July 2nd, 2004 2:31 PM
Author: Glittery magenta main people

We're gettin' a lot of love from jd2b lately

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#872825)





Date: April 19th, 2005 5:24 AM
Author: spectacular coldplay fan

there's a constitutional law course at my school taught by a prof. from the faculty of law & a lawyer. It happens. It's also a very popular course because all the prelaws take it expecting to get the prof. to write a rec. As it's a top law school as well, it would be quite a good rec...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2590991)





Date: April 19th, 2005 10:46 AM
Author: Hideous crusty immigrant forum

Are you talking about Amar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2591353)





Date: April 19th, 2005 11:53 AM
Author: milky internal respiration telephone

off/topic but related:

does anyone have statistics regarding % of LAW PROFESSORS that have PhD in addition to JD? what % just have a JD?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2591603)





Date: April 19th, 2005 12:03 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Contagious Organic Girlfriend

Many also have a JD/MA combo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2591645)





Date: April 19th, 2005 12:56 PM
Author: lemon becky

Basically, if you want to teach undergrad, don't get a JD. Only get a JD if you actually want to be a lawyer. A lot of people on this board are still under the illusion that a JD is a flexible degree. They will learn soon enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2591943)





Date: April 19th, 2005 1:02 PM
Author: milky internal respiration telephone

you can do plenty of things with a JD

like write novels about law cases in a contrived and predictable format that will sell millions!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2591974)





Date: April 19th, 2005 1:13 PM
Author: lemon becky

You don't need a JD for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=50152&forum_id=2#2592043)