It's OVER: Chinese LLM "Kimi K2" outperforms GPT and it's OPEN SOURCE
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Date: November 7th, 2025 8:03 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
and runs on consumer grade hardware. I haven't fucked with it yet
https://www.kimi.com/en/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411168)
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Date: November 7th, 2025 8:08 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
It slaughtered this question. First time I've seen an LLM cut the bullshit.
https://i.imgur.com/gfiOyaT.png
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411179) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 8:21 PM Author: metaepistemology is trans
lol here is the base (not even pro) gpt 5 response to that question. it absolutely destroys what you just posted;
Because the First Treatise is a polemic crafted against Sir Robert Filmer’s Patriarcha, Locke chooses his ground with exacting care. Filmer had built his defence of absolute, hereditary monarchy almost entirely upon the Old Testament—upon Adam’s supposed original dominion, the fatherhood of the patriarchs, and the transmission of authority through genealogical lines from Adam to Noah and beyond. If the divine right of kings rested, as Filmer claimed, upon the Scriptural record of creation, fall, promise and patriarchy, then the proper way to defeat it was to meet it within that very archive. Locke accordingly confines himself to the Old Testament, dismantling Filmer’s exegesis point by point: the grant of dominion in Genesis is common to mankind and not exclusive to Adam; paternal power is not political power; the command to honour “father and mother” subverts Filmer’s attempt to vest absolute right in the father alone; and, not least, there is no coherent line of succession by which Adam’s alleged authority could have been transmitted to later kings. The First Treatise is, in that sense, a forensic exercise in counter‑exegesis, conducted on the terrain Filmer had chosen.
There is also a deeper strategic reason for the Old Testament emphasis. The New Testament does not furnish the materials Filmer requires: its concern is the kingdom of God, not the genealogy of earthly thrones. Where it speaks of civil authority at all, its counsel is largely pastoral—urging peace, order, and conscientious obedience to magistrates—texts such as Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 that royalist divines had long used to buttress obedience rather than to describe the origin or scope of political right. Those passages are ill‑suited to Locke’s immediate purpose in the First Treatise, which is not to give a positive account of political authority, but to show that Filmer’s claim to a divine and absolute monarchy lacks biblical warrant. To invoke the apostles here would either distract into contested interpretations of Christian duty, or risk conceding rhetorical ground to the very absolutist reading Locke aimed to discredit.
Locke’s method throughout the Two Treatises confirms this division of labour. The First Treatise clears the field by refuting Filmer’s theological foundation; the Second Treatise then constructs a positive theory of political society upon natural law, reason, and consent, eschewing revelation as the basis of civil right. In other works Locke did not shrink from New Testament interpretation—his Paraphrase and Notes on the Epistles of St Paul and his Reasonableness of Christianity attest to his engaged Christian scholarship—but he kept that engagement distinct from the architecture of civil power. For him, the gospel announces salvation and the rule of conscience, while the origin and limits of government are to be determined by natural reason and the rights of men in the state of nature. To mix these domains was, in Locke’s eyes, both philosophically unclean and politically dangerous.
There is, finally, a matter of audience and occasion. Writing in the wake of the Exclusion Crisis and on the cusp of the Glorious Revolution, Locke addresses a culture in which Anglican defences of monarchy often proceeded by Old Testament citation and patriarchal analogy. He demonstrates, with a certain relish, that even if one grants the authority of Scripture in civil argument, the Old Testament will not yield the conclusions Filmer demands. Only after that demolition does Locke invite his readers to leave the thicket of genealogies and patriarchs for the plainer ground of consent, property by labour, and the limited ends of political society.
In sum, Locke’s reliance upon the Old Testament in the First Treatise is deliberate and tactical. He answers Filmer on his own terms, where the patriarchal thesis lives or dies, and he avoids New Testament appeals because they are either beside the point of Filmer’s claims or liable to be misread as supporting passive obedience. The positive philosophy of government, for Locke, properly belongs to the realm of reason; Scripture is invoked here only to show that Filmer’s divine right has no scriptural foundation at all.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411209) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 8:15 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
I gave the same question to chatgpt and it went insane. Why is it even talking about the Second Treatise? I only asked about the FIRST.
https://i.imgur.com/gaHiFLX.png
Also point #2 borders on offensive to Christians. Locke could have EASILY found support for many of his positions in the gospels.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411199) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 8:36 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
First of all, the answer is easy: LOCKE WAS RESPONDING TO FILMER, AND FILMER ONLY INVOKED THE OLD TESTAMENT.
That's really the only explanation anyone needs. Anything beyond that is reaching. No LLM should need more than a few paragraphs to make the point.
That said, the point about dodging earlier Christian authors who used the gospels to justify taxation is genuinely good. It wouldn't have occurred to me but it makes perfect sense.
It's also not a point that's raised in any of the online sources on this. No one is going to write about how the New Testament runs contrary to Locke's central positions because 1. it's not true, and 2. they'd be lynched, but it IS fair to say that Locke wanted to distance himself from anyone who wrote prior to the 17th century.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411231) |
Date: November 7th, 2025 8:25 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
Fuckin hell, it's good. Deepseek thought I got my facts wrong, but this one pulled out the fucking quote.
https://i.imgur.com/YCuA6ye.png
TBF I'm not sure that's a 100% accurate rendition of the quote. It may be working off a Chinese translation of the original English.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411213) |
Date: November 7th, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
Deepseek was ready to follow me on this one, but Kimi K2 pushed back a little and tried to say positive things about western thinkers.
https://imgur.com/a/UWAkHez
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411271) |
Date: November 7th, 2025 9:40 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
It's so good. Gemini is much more likely to go along with my thesis or even reaffirm it.
https://imgur.com/a/P6vmgw2
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5794767&forum_id=2#49411444) |
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