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Why do women want to be housewives?
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Date: November 12th, 2006 5:53 PM Author: frum menage Largely because they know it's easier than the alternatives.
The only real question is whether it's worth it to the husband to support her. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:06 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke Maybe she wants to support him just as much as he wants to support her. Maybe the woman wants to be a housewife because she wants to support her husband because she loves him, knowing that he's busy in the workplace all day and can't attend to family and home. And he wants to support her financially. I see it as a beautiful tradeoff and find it a bit bothersome that men view a woman who wants this as a leech.
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:08 PM Author: frum menage "I see it as a beautiful tradeoff and find it a bit bothersome that men view a woman who wants this as a leech."
It's a tradeoff that disproportionately benefits women. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:12 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke Not necessarily. A lot of women want to have the career and make the money. You're assuming that women would be making this choice to avoid having to work. But women are giving up their earning power, career experience etc...to put husband and family first. If the relationship ends, the tradeoff disproportionately benefits the man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6977925) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:14 PM Author: frum menage "But women are giving up their earning power, career experience etc...to put husband and family first."
Because they don't want to work. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:24 PM Author: Carnelian School Mother so what. there are plenty in each category. i for one have no problem supporting a wife. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978024) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:27 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke There are plenty of housewives who made that choice to avoid working. But if you find a woman who wants to be a housewife for the right reasons, you've hit the jackpot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978039) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:28 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Yeah, there's probably a handful that really want to stay at home and cook and clean and go grocery shopping all day. For what it's worth, that strikes me as a job in itself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978048) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:35 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke Exactly. There's a lot of grunt work that goes into being a housewife. It takes a woman with an amazing heart to do all that with love. Not something you find much of anymore, unfortunately. Just women who want to be the "lazy housewife" or the "career woman", both pretty selfish pursuits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978086) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:47 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage That's pretty shitty of you to criticize females who want to have jobs. There's a big difference between wanting to work and wanting to sit around and watch TV all day.
That said, I really want to sit around and watch TV all day myself, but not at the expense of having to be dependent on some one else. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:51 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke OK, I'll rephrase. I don't have much respect for career women in professions that make rich people richer, who hope to cash in on their big bonuses to buy shit and act self-important. I have a lot of respect for women who actually want to use their jobs and their intelligence to help others who are not in a position to help themselves, and also women in high-earning professions who put in the hours and save that high salary earned to support a future family.
However, once marriage and family comes, I think that women should devote their energies and intelligence to supporting their husbands and raising their children. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:55 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Oh shut the fuck up. I can't fucking stand people like you who sniff and get uppity about people not being open-minded about housewives, yet are just as close-minded when it comes to "career women". Same goes for the vice versa of that.
Have fun finding a little wife.
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:01 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke I don't think you understood. I have no problem with women who want to work before they get married, in order to earn and save money for her future family. I have no problem with a woman who is a lawyer or I-banker who has a good heart and has her motivations in the right place.
What I hate about a lot of career women is the prestige whorishness and overall selfishness of motivation. I also don't like career women who want to neglect their obligations to their husband and family to pursue personal career goals. I'm a sucker for tradition, but if it makes more sense for the man to be the caregiver and the woman to be the financial provider in a certain relationship, I'm not going to judge that even though I wouldn't want that type of relationship for myself. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:03 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Yet you don't have the same problem with the career men?
And shut the fuck up about obligation to husband and family. Just because some one gets married, it doesn't make them the husband's slave.
Fuck off. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:05 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke In my experience, the man usually works with family as his motivation, not so much prestige and selfish pursuits. I get just as sickened by husbands with high-powered jobs who use their high salary and prestige to fuck their massage therapists. Husband and wife have obligations to each other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978323) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:07 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Sure they have obligations to each other. I never fucking said otherwise.
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:43 PM Author: Bateful pontificating box office ratface Jesus Christ, STFU already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978602) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:49 PM Author: bisexual sweet tailpipe double fault Not all men think like that. When I get married I want my wife to work until we have kids and then stay at home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978199) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:07 PM Author: gold trailer park dog poop Biggest load of crock I've ever heard. Support him as he works his ass off by spending all his money and contributing nothing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978336) |
Date: November 12th, 2006 6:13 PM Author: mint vengeful people who are hurt We all secretly love watching soaps and cleaning all day wearing pearls, heels and aprons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6977940) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:26 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage I can't really think of any reason other than not wanting to work. I suppose "kids" is another answer, but it seems like a lot of housewives bitch about the boredom and lack of stimulation that comes with being around babies all day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978038) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:29 PM Author: dun passionate home because it's a SWeet deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978054) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:33 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line when my kids are little, i want to be a housewife because i don't think i will be able to handle the stress of a job when i have been getting up a couple times a night. i want to be there for my kids and read to them, play with them, make sure they are not just watching television, helping them with homework, talking to them, etc. when they are older, perhaps i will go into a less demanding job like being a school teacher or something, but it will all depend on how the job at home (and it is a job) is going. i do not want to be a housewife just so i will not have to work. it is a matter of where my passions in life are -- and even though right now i will admit that i enjoy the prestige of working in biglaw and making $135,000 a year, ultimately i do not think that a high salary is going to make me happy when i am 40. i want to look back on my life and be pleased with it. there are some parts of being a housewife that i am not going to find incredibly enjoyable every time i do it -- like the stuff others hire a maid for -- but i will be doing it for my family. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978075) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:36 PM Author: frum menage "when they are older, perhaps i will go into a less demanding job like being a school teacher or something, but it will all depend on how the job at home (and it is a job) is going."
No. You're just a lazy bitch. If the kids aren't home, there's nothing that would take up your whole day other than fucking around, being intentionally inefficient, and volunteering for stupid shit. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:37 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line no. my statement reflects the fact that my priority will be my family. i do not have a family yet, or a husband, and their input will be required into any decision of mine to spend time helping others as opposed to helping them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978106) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:37 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria wanna get married? imagine our combined earning power (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978104) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:38 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line what do you make? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978115) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:42 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria 145 and bonus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978148) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:43 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line sweet. i am just a lowly first year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978154) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:44 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria me too. but we'll make about 300k combined, more in the coming years. we can buy a pretty sweet house eventually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978163) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:45 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line haha.. this reminds me of that commercial where that guy types "do you want to marry me" to some chick on the internet he's never met. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978171) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:48 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria yes... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978197) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:50 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line is this a marriage proposal? sweet! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978218) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:52 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria i thought you proposed to me. that's why i said yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978231) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:54 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line i'll need to know more about you before i ask you to marry me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978241) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:59 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria my base salary is 145k. i am not a child molestor. what else do you need to know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978279) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:03 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line what is your name? i'll take a look at your attorney profile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978308) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:05 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria oh that is not a good idea to do on this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978325) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:15 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line okay, if you are serious, e-mail me at quiet_heckling@yahoo.com. i promise i will not "out" you. but this is pretty inefficient if it is anonymous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978387) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:41 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution This sounds like an awesome idea with a very meaningful promise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978591) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:45 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line maybe he's a cool guy in the same city as me. fyi, he has not e-mailed me. i believe he decided to quit now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978610) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:49 PM Author: chrome massive multi-billionaire school cafeteria i went to eat, sorry. i'll have to take this into consideration. giving out my name to the internets can be very dangerous.
i work in the LA area. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:50 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line yeah, i'll enter it into the google as soon as i get it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978660) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:51 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution Cool and maybe you are a troll who collects pictures of posters and posts them later.
Your "I'm just working to save money for a family. All I really want to do is butter my man's toast every morning" schtick would support that idea. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:54 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line my husband can butter his own toast. i'll probably butter my kids' though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978682) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:38 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke Your last sentence says a lot about you, all of it positive. It's about sacrificing for your husband and family, because you love your husband and your family. Just don't lose your soul in Biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978118) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:40 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line thanks. don't worry, i won't lose my soul in biglaw. i am saving the money i am making for the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978132) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:44 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke I usually don't think that women who are drawn to such professions are attractive candidates, but your heart and mind seem to be in the right place. What I love about this is that you're doing the Biglaw for the future so you can save for your family, and aren't doing it for any personal, selfish gain. I don't think you'll have much trouble at all finding a man who would be honored to provide for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978165) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:47 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line well, like i said, i admit i do like the prestige. and my family is pretty proud of me. however, i would never be so foolish as to spend my money on stupid, unimportant things. i don't know if my husband will be making a high salary or just an average one, so i'm not going to squander anything. i know my family will be proud of me as well when i become a mother. anyway, i found your post incredibly sweet -- your future wife is a lucky woman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978187) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:53 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke It's hard not to like the prestige. It's not like someone wouldn't like it. But taking advantage of the great financial opportunity you've been given, and not thinking to squander it on handbags and other trivialities really shows a lot of positive things about your character. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978239) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:55 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line :-) my mom was a stay at home mom too, so i probably get some of my qualities from her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978254) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:06 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage You two should just fuck already and then pat yourselves on the back afterwards for having hearts of gold. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978328) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:11 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke You say "fuck" a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978352) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:14 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Don't deny that you were stroking your cock during your little exchange with Kara. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978376) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:22 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line i am sure you will also try to be the best mom you can be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978435) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:24 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke I thought J was a man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978445) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:24 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line i think she is a woman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978454) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:25 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke J's posts are very masculine, rife with profanity and altogether mean-spirited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978462) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:27 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line yeah, it's based on other posts that i think she's a woman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978479) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:28 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke I'm beginning to see that. If J is a woman, she sounds like a bitter feminist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978487) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:30 PM Author: frum menage Do feminsts make sock monkeys for their cats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978503) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:32 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage I'm actually one of the few people on here that don't seem to have much of a problem with housewives. I only have a problem with the fucking rednecks who insist that it's the proper or the superior way. So shove your fucking feminism bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978525) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:36 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke To me, it's my preferred, superior way. I think that other couples should decide what's best for them, but the most loving and functional relationships I've seen have been traditional relationships with the man as the financial breadwinner and the woman in the role of nurturing caregiver. Tradition works. That's why it's been around long enough to earn the label of "tradition". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978552) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:37 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Fuck off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978560) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:43 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line you realize that the fact that you continually make angry-sounding posts in response to "redneck" ideas makes it seem as though you feel very threatened by those ideas? no one is going to force you to become a housewife. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978605) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:45 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin I think you'd probably be pretty annoyed if someone judged you for wanting that? It's just the opposite.
If you made more would you let your husband stay at home instead? |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:49 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line if i thought someone's ideas had zero validity -- i would laugh it off no problem, and not feel the need to go around telling them to fuck off.
i do not believe that men are as good with children as women are. if it was necessary for me to work to bring in necessary income, i would do it. but, it would definitely not be a lifestyle choice of mine to be away from the kids. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:54 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution "i do not believe that men are as good with children as women are." *laughs this sentence off no problem* |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:54 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin What if you could live on his salary, but if you worked instead of him you could pay for college etc.
Also, wouldn't you be a little resentful if he were the provider but you could be a better one?
I'm just wondering, becasue I can see being a housewife, but only if it didn't actually have any noricable financial impact on our life style. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:00 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line i don't think i would be resentful of anyone i married. i am old enough (mid 20's) that men my age typically already have a career or a direction. so i'll know what i'm getting into. income is (obviously) not the most important quality in a man. i am honestly okay with a modest income and a modest lifestyle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978733) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:02 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin Even if, for example, having that and staying at home means your kids have educational debt?
By the way, Himalaya thinks things like
Himalaya
I think this is probably the root of it. We don't want to fuck America's Next Top Model. All of the ethnically ambiguous models and actresses that media touts as the most beautiful women on earth are not women I find the least bit attractive. Entertainment media is comprised of women and fags. Modeling industry is run by women and fags. Men are simple creatures. We like our blonde hair and our big tits. No funny ethnic combinations.
So I doubt you really want to allign yourself with him based on personality while bashing J's. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:07 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line yes. i would choose staying home over my kids not having educational debt. but, education for my kids is one of the top priorities -- if we were in a situation where my kids would have educational debt, we would also be driving old cars, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978796) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:32 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke So I prefer blondes. How does that make me a bad person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978947) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:44 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin This thread is too much of a pain in the ass if you want to know start another thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979075) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:04 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke Finances shouldn't be the main goal. Yes, money is important to keep the marriage afloat since many marital problems arise over money. However, I would gladly trade some financial comforts to give my children the privilege of having the mother at home with them. I didn't grow up wealthy, but I never wanted for anything. We didn't take fancy trips to China or have expensive hobbies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978773) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:46 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke Yeah, not to mention the anger and foul language is very "redneck". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978618) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:50 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line haha, true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978656) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:50 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage How about I call you a lazy cumdumpster for wanting to be a stay at home mom then?
I don't even want to get married. Fuck, I don't even want a relationship. Ever. I also don't really want a "career". I also don't want to be judged for wanting such a lifestyle. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:53 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line honestly, i don't think i could be offended by you calling me names if i tried. your current view on things is pretty sad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978676) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:55 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage My current view that people should be able to choose the lives they want rather than base it on tradition or expectations is pretty sad?
Why aren't you off sucking dick in that case? |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:03 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line uh, no, your current view that you never want a relationship or a career... lol. i don't want to 'suck dick'... i want a fulfilling life. i have gone through many years of higher education and several months of biglaw, and while i am fine with that lifestyle for several years, i don't think it will provide my best path to fulfillment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978755) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:07 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage What the fuck is wrong with that view? I'm fine with it, so you shouldn't give a fuck.
Your future husband won't be having any of this "I don't want to suck dick" shit. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:09 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line have you ever even had a serious relationship? i'm guessing not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978804) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:10 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage No. And I don't want one. As I've already stated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978806) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:12 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line you are a great example of something that is funny and sad at the same time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978819) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:13 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage You haven't successfully argued this, cumdumpster. You just keep repeating it. In the meantime, I'll keep living my life for myself, while you keep slaving away for your future husband and brats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978829) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:17 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line actually, i'm currently slaving away for the man. working for my offspring and husband (and having a husband who is working for me and the kids) is going to be 100% better and while the rewards won't come twice a month in $3000 increments, they'll be a lot more meaningful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978848) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:18 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Wait. So you're currently spending the money you make on yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978851) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:21 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line what money i do spend, i obviously spend on myself, since i'm single. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978867) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:22 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage So where's the rest going? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978872) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:23 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line uh, savings, dumbass? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978879) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:27 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Savings for your future cock and brats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978903) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:29 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke So you think it would be better for someone to spend all their income and have little to no savings? And so what if she's saving for her future family. Shows maturity and is a lot better than squandering the money on frivolous vacations to obscure parts of the world to prove to yourself how cool you are, or by spending it on handbags. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978927) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:34 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage I'm just confused because she claimed not to be working for her future family right now, but said above she was only going to be a lawyer so she could save for her future family.
I was just asking for clarification. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:29 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line obviously, savings for whatever i deem is worth the money -- which will probably include spending on things that will benefit my future husband & kids. why is this offensive to you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978929) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:36 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage It's not offensive to me. The fact that you think this somehow makes you better than people who don't want a family or who want to work themselves is what offends me. Why can't you get that through your vapid, cocksucking head? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978991) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:40 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line inferiority complex much? where did i say i was better than others? you go around calling someone "vapid" and "cocksucking," and then accuse them of thinking they're better than others. the most you post, the dumber you seem -- and that judgment is not based on your personal life decisions, it's based on your ability to make sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979033) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:43 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke J. likes to use the argument that goes like this: "I don't care what you think, but what's repulsive to me is that you think other people should be the same way." It's hard not to believe something without also believing that it's somehow superior or preferred to the alternative. I give J. credit because she's somewhat correct, but where J. fails is in her ad hominem attacks. She can't seem to disagree with someone without the name-calling, which we all fall into, but J. seems to be so over the top. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979056) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:48 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line i think you are giving her more credit than she deserves -- from what i have read, she does not seem to have a coherent argument at all. and yes, with regards to name-calling, she reminds me of a 6 year old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979106) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:50 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke She likes to call people "vapid" and enjoys telling people to "get raped".
She gets bugged so easily by people that she doesn't approve of. I wonder what happened to her to get her so bitter. Or maybe it's flame and we're the suckers. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:58 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line i think to some extent, it has to be flame. but i think she does believe in a lot of what she writes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979195) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:44 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Pardon me, were you and Himalaya not the ones that started with the "our way is the right way" bullshit?
I have no problem with people thinking they're better than other individuals (for instance, I think I'm better than you), but I have a problem with people who think their baseless beliefs make them superior to all other people. And if you don't believe you qualify, refer back to the posts where you and Himalaya are sucking each other off over how fucking great you two are.
But I'm done with this shit. Get raped. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:56 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line so, you freely state you think you're better than me, but are offended by my posts because you believe they show i think i'm better than you? damn, girl. i don't even know what to say to this. i hope for your sake you don't believe in your own riduculous (and poorly formulated) arguments. it's not your beliefs that i find amusing at this point, it's your lesser intelligence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979175) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:58 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke At least J is honest. At this point I'm trying to defend her because I just feel so bad for people like her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979191) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:04 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line SRSLY, it is insane that i have spent this much time here. it is good to know there are still men like you out there, though. we believe in our decisions (obviously) but that does not give us superiority complexes (unlike some people who always feel the need to post with a fake superiority complex that actually masks an inferiority complex). i sincerely hope that one day you'll find a great wife. :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979240) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:13 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke Check this out: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=519476&mc=11&forum_id=2#6925635
A while ago I posted a link to this blog that I found somewhat funny but rather obnoxious in parts. J. took it way too seriously and started getting obsessive about things. She likes to do this to people she doesn't agree with.
And thank you for the kind words. I am pretty sure I'll find a great wife too, just not in the city I'm living in. |
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Date: November 13th, 2006 8:50 AM Author: Glittery ticket booth Considering how much kara and J. agree with each other, it's really amusing that they can still be fighting with each other. Not surprisingly, both are or aspire to be lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6982239) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:21 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution Oh fucking barf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979357) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:22 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin Please see the ladies thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978873) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:22 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke It's no use arguing with J.
She's not as intelligent as you, nor does she have the same basic standards of class and decency that you seem to have. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:24 PM Author: mind-boggling chapel personal credit line ty :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978891) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:13 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke You must have a very fulfilling life bashing other people that you don't seem to like very much. Just leave people alone if you don't like them. Don't be so easily ruffled. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978832) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:14 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage I'm not the only one that's bashing people I don't like. Are you really that clueless? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978840) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:24 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin And what are you and kara doing by calling J names? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978883) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:56 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke This J. poster is a pretty sad case. (S)he gets so overly excited about the stupidest stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978701) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:24 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution thank god for this post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978452) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:32 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin If you made more than your husband would you let him be the one who stayed home? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978522) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 6:38 PM Author: Excitant kitty cat locus It's hard to explain why I want to be a housewife. I think it's just my maternal urges... there's not really a lot of logic to it. But working for a few years and then becoming a full-time mom just feels like the right thing to do for me.
Also, I want to become a woman. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:06 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage "Also, I want to become a woman. "
Fucking gag. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:12 PM Author: gold trailer park dog poop Instead of working your ass off, they get to fuck around, spend money someone else earned, and generally do jack. Who wouldn't love that deal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978357) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:21 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard given the amount of women to waste their college education, they should not get cheap student loans like men do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978431) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:33 PM Author: gold trailer park dog poop I think you should have to work for at least 5-10 years or have to pay back all the interest the government covered on your behalf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978538) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:38 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard still, the gov is not giving you a loan just so you can pay it back. it's an investment. and women make terrible investments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978574) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:19 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard the institution of marriage creates social waste. when one person is able to live off another, they don't produce as much for society. this is why i'm against polygamy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978417) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:20 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution I'm usually equally disturbed by men who want to marry housewives--i understand the argument "I work all day so it makes sense for her to be available whenever I am." Why not just get a hooker? It's not like you are interested in having challenging discussions about whatever your wife does to occupy her time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978421) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:24 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage I don't really mind the wanting a housewife thing if you want kids and want to work yourself. I'm not bothered by the idea that one parent should be fixated on the kids while the other parent works and you happen to want to be the parent that works. It's not really a theory I care about or completely agree with, but I don't think it's a product of a disturbed mind.
But I am bothered by the "She should take care of the kids and me because she's the girl" idea that Himalaya is spewing above. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:27 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution Yeah I think thats one of the grossest aspects of it "I dont want my wife to have a career bc then she will try to boss my around at home. And i'm the man damnit."
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:30 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke It's just what I prefer. I want a traditional housewife. I believe that women have an undefinable something that makes them better at more nurturing pursuits than men, so thus I would prefer my wife to stay at home so she will be able to utilize best what she's good at.
Other people may prefer different things, but that's their business, their relationship. If you want to have a wife who is a career woman, go ahead. I, personally, find most women with high-powered careers to be very selfish and haughty and masculine.
And it's not about control. I would not want my wife to feel like I was in control of her. I would want her to honor me and I would honor her. Yes, I would be 'head of household' but that does not mean that I would have the right to mistreat her. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:31 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution "I, personally, find most women with high-powered careers to be very selfish and haughty and masculine."
Its this very gender role that J. is objecting to |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:34 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke It's just my observation. There are many career women who are actually pleasant, and just because a single woman has such a career before marriage doesn't mean that I wouldn't consider her worthy wife material. It might actually be a financial benefit to the marriage if the woman and man had a large amount of assets. I just want a woman who is able to prioritize family over career when she gets married.
I just happen to be living in New York right now, where there are a plethora of career-driven cunts. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:36 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard this is a common view. but is there actually a study done on this where career women are shown to be more prone to divorces, being bad parents, etc? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978557) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:42 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Right, it'd be one thing if he was just saying "This is what I want, so you can just go fuck off and do your own thing", but he's not. He's saying traditional relationships and traditional people are somehow better than the alternatives. That if a woman wants a career and a man wants to sit at home babysitting, there's most likely something off putting and selfish going on. That just grates on me.
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:49 PM Author: Ungodly supple yarmulke If a woman wants a career and her husband is OK with doing the caregiving, this is fine. It may not be my preferred setup, but as long as one parent is devoting resources to raising the children, it's acceptable.
I do believe that traditional relationships are better than the alternatives, but I don't necessarily think "traditional people" are better than "non-traditional" people (whatever those are). As long as a person isn't a selfish, superficial, prestige-obsessed cunt, that's fine. But a lot of career women happen to fall into that category, especially in NYC. Maybe I've gotten more vociferous in my dislike of career women since I've come here and once I move back down south, I'll soften up a bit more. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:24 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard i think it has to do w/the sense of power it brings them. same drive that makes ppl pet owners. why not just rent a pet for a few days? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978449) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:27 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage "same drive that makes ppl pet owners. why not just rent a pet for a few days?"
wtf? |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:29 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard well, pets are basically nothing but a financial drain on their owners. and yet ppl still want to own them permanently? why? the analogy is there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978501) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:31 PM Author: frum menage If I could make my dog work while I am gone, I would. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978515) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:34 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard I think the Japanese are working on this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978543) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:38 PM Author: frum menage How much electricity could a large dog generate in 8 to 10 hours of walking on a giant hamster wheel? (Assume the dog gets water, food, and bathroom breaks as necessary.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978569) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:40 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard this is probably not an economically sensible conversion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978580) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:43 PM Author: frum menage I just need to know how many kilowatts of electricity I can feed back to the grid. Once I know that, I can balance it against the cost of the dog food. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978600) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:47 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard not sure. but at least it won't be wasting all that energy being walked around the neighborhood and digging shit up in the yard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978630) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:47 PM Author: Saffron scourge upon the earth theater stage Eh, I guess I can kind of see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure most people get pets because they necessarily want to wield power over them so much as they want a companion they can bond with.
It's not like most people get a dog so it can do all the housework during the day and give them blowjobs at night.
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:47 PM Author: frum menage But if they could... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978631) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:49 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard well we're talking about bonding on a different level. point is, you're getting someone who is weaking than you, whose freedom you are going to limit to an extent. it's a form of slavery really. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978643) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:29 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution i understand that there is a level of affection and intimacy that would come from a wife and not a hooker, but i just dont think that equates to a partnership. No one would think they were on equal footing with their dogs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978496) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:33 PM Author: snowy toilet seat gay wizard sure. human-human relationships have a bigger capacity to become something great. studies show that ppl who stay married in the long run are generally happier. but people and dogs also bond in a permanent way. so there is something to that.
but the point is, is the extra bonus of that long term relationship worth all the trouble of marriage? i say no. especially considering how many marriages fail. to big a gamble for most men, when we can get hookers. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:25 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin I could see it being fun in a Martha Stewart-ish way. Making huge meals, gardening etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978468) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:42 PM Author: beady-eyed whorehouse My boyfriend kind of wants to be a stay at home dad. I'd have no objection to that but I do NOT want to be a housewife and don't foresee that changing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978593) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 7:43 PM Author: frum menage Ask him why he wants to be one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978604) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:09 PM Author: Rusted gaped native Because I would not trust a woman to raise my children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6978805) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:46 PM Author: beady-eyed whorehouse He really loves kids and his parents sent him to a boarding school so I think he wants to give our kids a more normal childhood.
I think he'll probably just end up working from home a few days a week before our kids start school. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 11:29 PM Author: gold trailer park dog poop Being raised by a stay at home dad is "normal?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6980461) |
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Date: November 13th, 2006 12:19 AM Author: beady-eyed whorehouse Sure. He'd do a way better job staying at home with them than I would. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6980978) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 8:43 PM Author: Bateful pontificating box office ratface I very much approve of J.'s work in this thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979061) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:17 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin Agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979332) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:23 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution Seriously. I don't think the man works/woman stays home decision is the best one in the world, but i get it. These two think they're going to earn a special place in kingdom come for buying into it with no reservations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979363) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:26 PM Author: gay trip rehab mexican People on either side of this debate seem to get really rigid about it - either it's the best possible thing in the world for a woman to stay home or it's horrible and anyone who does is a leech.
I wish people would just relax a little bit. Couples are different, and it's not like there's some solution that works for everyone. |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:33 PM Author: gold trailer park dog poop Its a worldview issue. Much like debates on SUVs and public transport, religion, abortion, childrearing, AA, etc. Therefore, no one will convince anyone of anything and everyone will be angry and inflexible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979428) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:33 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution Thats part of the problem that I have with this argument. People who buy into gender roles think that is the solution that works for everyone, and these two both, explicitly, buy into that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979430) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:34 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution edit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979443) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:37 PM Author: gay trip rehab mexican Some of that other stuff is public policy, though. At least that's worth getting worked up over. It seems so silly for people to get excited over decisions other people are making - it's easy enough to find a mate who feels the same way you do and shrug your shoulders when it comes to other people's decisions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979453) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:45 PM Author: Coiffed cracking institution Well its not just a matter of cereal preferences. If you are in the first camp the decisions other people make are feminist and against traditional society. The girl above thinks women are better at nurturing and childrearing, so that probably means she would agree that a man staying home to raise a child isnt just bad for that particular family, but bad for society in general. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979495) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:51 PM Author: gay trip rehab mexican I guess. I think there's room for holding either view and still recognizing that family circumstances vary. But that might just be my worldview. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979534) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 9:28 PM Author: Ruddy cumskin I'd even like to stay home if I had kids, and I think they are morons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6979394) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 11:12 PM Author: Drunken rough-skinned indian lodge candlestick maker Subject: i'm just lazy... I got into duke and georgetown for next year...but I've never had a real job (unless you count nannying, where I got paid way too much to push the bugaboo stroller to starbucks, or that time I worked at a department store so I could buy shoes) so I'm planning on marrying my boyfriend (he's at a T14 and going to do a firm job), working at legal aid for a couple years, and then staying at home and living off his salary. i'm just too pretty to work. I like the idea of wearing YSL suits and cole haan shoes to work every day...but I like my J-Lo sweatpants even more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6980292) |
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Date: November 12th, 2006 11:24 PM Author: harsh brilliant fanboi filthpig at least someone is honest here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6980415) |
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Date: November 13th, 2006 8:51 AM Author: Yellow at-the-ready patrolman http://www.ronco.com/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=525120&forum_id=2#6982240) |