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In 1598 a dead sperm whale washed up on the Dutch shore. Look at how ppl reacted

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Im_Febru...
tripping ape
  06/25/18
That team of penis inspectors is on the case.
Motley famous landscape painting step-uncle's house
  06/26/18
scholars from the local university, I'm sure
tripping ape
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bossy institution
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pontificating cracking piazza
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laughsome range generalized bond
  06/26/18
(Rabelais)
Thriller chocolate corner
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trip cruel-hearted psychic spot
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cerebral federal national
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Aggressive multi-colored box office
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Honey-headed Flirting Incel
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purple wonderful internal respiration knife
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Violet tattoo
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Ruby Bateful Windowlicker
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Talking messiness weed whacker
  06/26/18
The one with the rod = boner police’s great x 8 grandfather
Idiotic slate selfie theater stage
  06/26/18
i like the bearded intellectual gesturing at it to his wife ...
Jet diverse university shitlib
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Aphrodisiac topaz stead regret
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tripping ape
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Ivory soggy rigor point
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Ivory soggy rigor point
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Out-of-control Mildly Autistic Resort Police Squad
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Ivory soggy rigor point
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Stimulating public bath
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Ivory soggy rigor point
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Ivory soggy rigor point
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Out-of-control Mildly Autistic Resort Police Squad
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racy crotch nowag
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Ivory soggy rigor point
  10/09/22
xo whale penis inspection team.
Ivory soggy rigor point
  11/07/24
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Ivory soggy rigor point
  07/20/25
Looks like a fun day out
Splenetic rose lodge jap
  06/26/18
The Dutch have a surprisingly violent history There was s...
Lake Violent Church Clown
  06/26/18
Read about John of Leiden
Irradiated Shrine
  06/26/18
Look at what they did to Johann DeWitt.
up-to-no-good becky
  09/29/19
That must have smelled really bad.
arrogant heaven
  06/26/18
I've smelled and dissected a dead, decaying whale, it's unbe...
vengeful lilac boltzmann orchestra pit
  06/26/18
Guys at my high school
Excitant fat ankles
  03/31/19
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Big offensive property
  04/03/22
It was a different time. Everything smelled bad.
purple wonderful internal respiration knife
  06/26/18
but enough about a gaggle of Dutch
Medicated shaky tanning salon tank
  06/26/18
did they know about whaling products back then? it was right...
Comical ladyboy
  06/26/18
Ya this has to have been a economic boon/windfall for the lo...
180 beta mad-dog skullcap
  06/26/18
yeah whale oil for lighting
Splenetic rose lodge jap
  06/26/18
dat brain juice
Anal yarmulke den
  06/26/18
See the guy w the barrels. He"s either copped some spe...
Aphrodisiac topaz stead regret
  06/26/18
looks like a mexican bday party at a park
Orchid soul-stirring area
  06/26/18
180
purple wonderful internal respiration knife
  06/26/18
I was thinking Puerto Rican, with the spiclings flopping all...
pontificating cracking piazza
  06/26/18
Lol my kid loves those.
Aphrodisiac topaz stead regret
  06/26/18
just saw one. dozens of happy, chill folks listening to musi...
silver lascivious hell
  04/03/22
rate this exploding sperm whale https://www.youtube.com/w...
vigorous nudist field pocket flask
  06/26/18
whoa
Azure aromatic depressive
  06/26/18
I've been laughing all day about this
effete poppy state codepig
  06/26/18
i bet the guts weren't the only thing that needed cleaning u...
white twinkling uncleanness
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vibrant sienna brunch
  08/16/19
If there's a warning, I know I'm going to like the vid.
impertinent reading party
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racy crotch nowag
  04/03/22
Dude w a shell is clearly a time traveler taking a selfie
Smoky school
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fragrant station
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I question the accuracy and objectivity of the artist. Check...
sick wine friendly grandma
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sick wine friendly grandma
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tripping ape
  06/26/18
This is actually an MC Escher drawing where if you zoom out,...
Motley famous landscape painting step-uncle's house
  06/26/18
How large is the second whale's penis
laughsome range generalized bond
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tripping ape
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Orchid soul-stirring area
  06/26/18
the viewer is the whale's penis
Fiercely-loyal double fault
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pontificating cracking piazza
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Seedy library place of business
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free-loading histrionic prole chapel
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tripping ape
  06/26/18
Thread delivered and then some
Beady-eyed Embarrassed To The Bone Circlehead
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tripping ape
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tripping ape
  06/27/18
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tripping ape
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tripping ape
  03/31/19
Why did people wear so many goddamn clothes back then?
boyish bawdyhouse
  03/31/19
tbf, it was February
Disgusting Maroon Principal's Office
  08/16/19
the one with the axe is TMF's ancestor, having heard there w...
Fiercely-loyal double fault
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exciting pit mother
  08/16/19
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tripping ape
  09/29/19
This artist exhibited excellent attention to genital detail....
Out-of-control Mildly Autistic Resort Police Squad
  04/03/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkBscgjlCaQ
silver lascivious hell
  04/03/22
Why are there mountains near the Dutch shore?
fluffy kitchen milk
  11/10/24


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Date: June 25th, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: tripping ape

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Im_Februar_1598_an_der_holl%C3%A4ndischen_K%C3%BCste_gestrandeter_Walfisch.jpg



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310048)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: Motley famous landscape painting step-uncle's house

That team of penis inspectors is on the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310061)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:02 AM
Author: tripping ape

scholars from the local university, I'm sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310072)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: bossy institution



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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:48 PM
Author: pontificating cracking piazza



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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: laughsome range generalized bond



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:32 PM
Author: Thriller chocolate corner

(Rabelais)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36315065)



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 3:06 PM
Author: trip cruel-hearted psychic spot



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 3:07 PM
Author: cerebral federal national



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:27 AM
Author: Aggressive multi-colored box office



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:27 AM
Author: Honey-headed Flirting Incel



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:51 AM
Author: purple wonderful internal respiration knife



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:52 AM
Author: Violet tattoo



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Date: June 26th, 2018 1:17 AM
Author: Ruby Bateful Windowlicker



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Date: June 26th, 2018 6:48 AM
Author: Talking messiness weed whacker



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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:57 AM
Author: Idiotic slate selfie theater stage

The one with the rod = boner police’s great x 8 grandfather

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310807)



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Date: June 27th, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Jet diverse university shitlib

i like the bearded intellectual gesturing at it to his wife as if to say "Look honey, 50x at least!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36321849)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:12 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac topaz stead regret



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:25 AM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: June 27th, 2018 5:22 PM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point



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Date: August 16th, 2019 12:45 PM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point



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Date: September 29th, 2019 1:23 AM
Author: Out-of-control Mildly Autistic Resort Police Squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38903113)



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Date: June 3rd, 2021 12:02 AM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point



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Date: June 3rd, 2021 12:25 AM
Author: Stimulating public bath



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Date: September 25th, 2021 1:02 AM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 2:46 PM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 2:49 PM
Author: Out-of-control Mildly Autistic Resort Police Squad



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 3:01 PM
Author: racy crotch nowag



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Date: October 9th, 2022 5:01 PM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point



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Date: November 7th, 2024 11:20 AM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point

xo whale penis inspection team.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#48305451)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 12:23 PM
Author: Ivory soggy rigor point



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:05 AM
Author: Splenetic rose lodge jap

Looks like a fun day out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310076)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:23 AM
Author: Lake Violent Church Clown

The Dutch have a surprisingly violent history

There was some prominent person in like the 1700s who pissed off the commoners and was physically dismembered by a crowd with their bare hands. Like different groups of them just tore his body apart.

It's like an entire country of tall antisocial chads with Asperger's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310169)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:41 AM
Author: Irradiated Shrine

Read about John of Leiden

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310781)



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Date: September 29th, 2019 1:42 AM
Author: up-to-no-good becky

Look at what they did to Johann DeWitt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38903138)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: arrogant heaven

That must have smelled really bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310193)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:47 AM
Author: vengeful lilac boltzmann orchestra pit

I've smelled and dissected a dead, decaying whale, it's unbearable. Even if you hold your nose you still feel it, the air is thick with the odor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310277)



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Date: March 31st, 2019 11:16 PM
Author: Excitant fat ankles

Guys at my high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38022498)



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 3:11 PM
Author: Big offensive property



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:51 AM
Author: purple wonderful internal respiration knife

It was a different time. Everything smelled bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310302)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Medicated shaky tanning salon tank

but enough about a gaggle of Dutch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36313271)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:47 AM
Author: Comical ladyboy

did they know about whaling products back then? it was right around that time iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310281)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:49 AM
Author: 180 beta mad-dog skullcap

Ya this has to have been a economic boon/windfall for the locals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310291)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:50 AM
Author: Splenetic rose lodge jap

yeah whale oil for lighting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310294)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:03 AM
Author: Anal yarmulke den

dat brain juice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310723)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:14 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac topaz stead regret

See the guy w the barrels. He"s either copped some spermicetti or selling beer/cider

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310833)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:49 AM
Author: Orchid soul-stirring area

looks like a mexican bday party at a park

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310290)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 12:50 AM
Author: purple wonderful internal respiration knife

180

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Date: June 26th, 2018 6:52 AM
Author: pontificating cracking piazza

I was thinking Puerto Rican, with the spiclings flopping all over their motherwhale

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310713)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:13 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac topaz stead regret

Lol my kid loves those.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310830)



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 3:13 PM
Author: silver lascivious hell

just saw one. dozens of happy, chill folks listening to music, grilling, kicking around a soccer ball ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#44271738)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: vigorous nudist field pocket flask

rate this exploding sperm whale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X0hq0ug9q4

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310339)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: Azure aromatic depressive

whoa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36312613)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: effete poppy state codepig

I've been laughing all day about this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36313175)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:33 PM
Author: white twinkling uncleanness

i bet the guts weren't the only thing that needed cleaning up after that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36315074)



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Date: August 16th, 2019 1:10 PM
Author: vibrant sienna brunch



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Date: March 31st, 2019 11:17 PM
Author: impertinent reading party

If there's a warning, I know I'm going to like the vid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38022499)



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 3:04 PM
Author: racy crotch nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#44271711)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 6:43 AM
Author: Smoky school

Dude w a shell is clearly a time traveler taking a selfie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310692)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:28 AM
Author: fragrant station



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Date: June 26th, 2018 7:43 AM
Author: sick wine friendly grandma

I question the accuracy and objectivity of the artist. Check out the ear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36310783)



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Date: June 3rd, 2021 12:23 AM
Author: sick wine friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#42565915)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 1:14 PM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:05 PM
Author: Motley famous landscape painting step-uncle's house

This is actually an MC Escher drawing where if you zoom out, they're all in the belly of another, larger whale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36313260)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: laughsome range generalized bond

How large is the second whale's penis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36313272)



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:29 PM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: June 26th, 2018 8:31 PM
Author: Orchid soul-stirring area



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Date: March 31st, 2019 11:13 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal double fault

the viewer is the whale's penis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38022482)



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Date: August 16th, 2019 1:03 PM
Author: pontificating cracking piazza



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Date: September 29th, 2019 12:27 AM
Author: Seedy library place of business



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Date: September 29th, 2019 1:48 AM
Author: free-loading histrionic prole chapel



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Date: June 26th, 2018 10:30 PM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: June 26th, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Embarrassed To The Bone Circlehead

Thread delivered and then some

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#36315818)



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Date: June 27th, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: June 27th, 2018 9:28 PM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: December 4th, 2018 9:28 PM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: March 31st, 2019 10:37 PM
Author: tripping ape



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Date: March 31st, 2019 10:38 PM
Author: boyish bawdyhouse

Why did people wear so many goddamn clothes back then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38022318)



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Date: August 16th, 2019 1:17 PM
Author: Disgusting Maroon Principal's Office

tbf, it was February

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38696686)



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Date: March 31st, 2019 11:13 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal double fault

the one with the axe is TMF's ancestor, having heard there was a prepubescent real boy in the whale, "WOOD HARD" was the rumor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38022480)



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Date: August 16th, 2019 1:08 PM
Author: exciting pit mother



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Date: September 29th, 2019 12:17 AM
Author: tripping ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#38902944)



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 2:52 PM
Author: Out-of-control Mildly Autistic Resort Police Squad

This artist exhibited excellent attention to genital detail. Must have been at least tangentially affiliated with the Dutch IFNB or one of its predecessor entities. Notice the nutsacs on the horses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#44271653)



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Date: April 3rd, 2022 3:20 PM
Author: silver lascivious hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkBscgjlCaQ

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Date: November 10th, 2024 4:08 AM
Author: fluffy kitchen milk

Why are there mountains near the Dutch shore?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4010386&forum_id=2#48317907)