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Date: July 10th, 2006 11:02 PM Author: zippy water buffalo There's talk going on that a Kent Scholar and pretty good writer didn't make law review because a staff member had fought with him and kept him off. Thoughts? Confirmation? Is this kosher? Common? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6183022) |
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Date: July 10th, 2006 11:19 PM Author: boyish painfully honest gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6183164) |
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Date: July 10th, 2006 11:22 PM Author: Vivacious Double Fault Does Columbia not blind grade the writing comp entries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6183186) |
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Date: July 10th, 2006 11:23 PM Author: boyish painfully honest gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6183194) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 9:44 AM Author: Vigorous preventive strike Some aspects of this post are true. I cannot confirm the details, however. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185213) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:54 AM Author: zippy water buffalo I guess the question is- since ti seems several people on ehre have confirmed at least the basic premise- is a) does this happen at other schools? b) is it appropriate for other things to be figured in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6186014) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 9:51 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Do you happen to be this kent scholar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185227) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 9:56 AM Author: contagious maroon sanctuary Yeah, is this Christian Troy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185240) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:00 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich no. i've been on this board long before Christian Troy even knew it existed.
hth. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:07 AM Author: contagious maroon sanctuary I mean the OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185283) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:10 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich ahhh, my mistake. very well could be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185290) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:17 AM Author: sooty dashing pistol sneaky criminal Doubtful this is Christian Troy. CT is not a Kent Scholar, and, if he was, he would probably back his rumor up with something more than "there's talk going on."
This thread is void of detail and substance, but it has a great headline. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:18 AM Author: marvelous kitty Nah it isn't him. Though Christian doesn't always back his claims up either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185329) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:20 AM Author: slimy half-breed There's actually something to this story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185342) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:25 AM Author: sooty dashing pistol sneaky criminal Well then what is it? Who is the Kent Scholar? How could anyone rig LR admissions? Who is disgrutled editor? Is the only evidence that someone who people thought would make LR, actually did not make it? Doesn't this happen every year at every school?
This would be a hot story to discuss, but now there is no story. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:35 AM Author: Exhilarant sepia becky milk There is almost certainly truth to this.
The LR says admission is anonymous. But if that were truly the case, then there would be no reason to have a selection meeting at all (with the possible exception of diversity slots). Just grade the submissions, throw the scores into a computer, and have it spit out 35 names.
The very fact the committee meets destroys all anonymity, and the fact they _choose_ to meet means they must intend to look at actual names and make decisions based on that. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:55 AM Author: sooty dashing pistol sneaky criminal I considered not responding to this silly argument, but I guess I will spell it out because I am bored.
Your argument is that there is a selection group that chooses to meet, therefore there is some truth to a Kent scholar being passed over due to some person's personal vendetta? There are many links to the chain that are missing here.
And of course they meet! That's what committees do--they meet! This is how they divide up the call list and tell the callers what to say/what questions to ask/what ansers to have for the new editors. They also likely make decisions on the seven personal statement/diversity slots. The fact that they meet is not surprising or indicative of a conspiracy. I have no info on what goes on at all, but I would guess they take the anonymous element of the selection process very seriously. But since I have no knowledge of it, your guess is as good as mine.
I love conspiracy theories, and I would be entertained if I had a few to read, but the good theories have shreds of evidence and hints of plausibility. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:11 AM Author: Exhilarant sepia becky milk Good points. Let me soften the arugment
Obviously there are missing links; I wasn't there. Let's just say that the meeting ensures that there is a time at which point the applicants aren't anonymous. What the committee does at that point is anyone's guess. (compare it to "anonymous grading" -- this is a farce, because profs see the names before they enter the grades, and can adjust for "class participation" (read: how much they like someone)).
But having sat in on committees selecting people for some "exclusive group" before (as I'm sure you have), it's impossible not to let emotions and other personal criteria affect what is supposed to be an objective process. We are human beings, and that's life.
There's no reason why a law review committee would be somehow more pure and ethical than any other group on the planet. Smarter maybe, but less human? I don't think so.
The plausibility you require is there. I'll admit to having no evidence. But then again, it's fun to speculate. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:22 AM Author: sooty dashing pistol sneaky criminal Well I respect the fact that you are not talking past me and you softened your argument.
I agree that human fallibility and bias might taint the selection of the seven diversity spots. I doubt this rises to the level of being a real problem.
I do not know anyone on law review, although I will be on it next year, so my conjectures about the process and the participants are backed up with only self-reflection. Personally, I take myself way too seriously, and I'll bet many people on LR/in law school are the same way. I think this would cause me to try hard to preserve the purity/integrity of the selection process that selected me. So I am inclined to have faith in a process that purports to be anonymous.
All this is not to say that I would not love to hear some real dirt about the process if it exists. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:26 AM Author: marvelous kitty It's funy how people are nice toeach other because we go to school with each other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185801) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:33 AM Author: sooty dashing pistol sneaky criminal I think nice is more of a default.
Anonymity begets rudeness; probably because rudeness is funny/normally less available.
But yeah, there are certainly some battle lines drawn up based on school here, which makes sense too. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:28 PM Author: Exciting boltzmann Subject: This is an absurd thread In an ideal world, the overwhelming arrogance of these posts should have secured that this "Kent Scholar and pretty good writer" would have remained among the un-anointed. However, as it turns out, the truly blind (yes, blind) selection process seems to have worked. Perhaps the lad(y) was simply not the "pretty good writer" that (s)he thought that (s)he was. Perhaps (s)he had a bad day. Perhas his/her readers had bad days. But to conclude from one student's failure to make the Review that the selection process is fixed, however stellar that student may be, is the height of idiocy. If you want to see how many Kent Scholars were not members of the distinguished CLR, hop onto Google and join the club. I hope that the lot of you will get over this insanity before EIP begins and you get on with your lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6190387) |
Date: July 10th, 2006 11:28 PM Author: titillating crackhouse headpube I thought the grading was blind.
For what it's worth, I actually fought a little with an editor last year (although we did apologize and there seemed to be no hard feelings), and I made it. |
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Date: July 10th, 2006 11:57 PM Author: adventurous den goyim Ha. That's just bitterness. The EIC is the only one who could rig law review admissions, and that is very, very unlikely. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 9:41 AM Author: contagious maroon sanctuary FUNNYBUSINESSPWN3D! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185203) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 9:55 AM Author: Jet stimulating twinkling uncleanness Sounds like sour grapes to me, but what do I know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185238) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:05 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich You know, the same thing happened to me. I was a middle-of-the-road student, a bad writer, and i didn't know anyone on law review, yet I STILL got dinged from LR!!!
I say we protest! |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:12 AM Author: nudist scourge upon the earth stock car obviously foul play. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185297) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:13 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich I think I should have a talk with Dean (Fo')Schizzle! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185305) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:15 AM Author: contagious maroon sanctuary Maybe he can persuade you to transfer to NYU, that seems to be how he deals with disgruntled members of the CLS community. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185311) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:15 AM Author: marvelous kitty 180.....PWN3D!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185315) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:16 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich PWN3D!
If NYU offers a SWeet brownstone like they did to the profs, i'd be more than happy to transfer. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:17 AM Author: marvelous kitty TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185324) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:19 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich I don't care who you are, brownstones in the village >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UAH housing near Harlem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185336) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:23 AM Author: marvelous kitty Umm...dude I agree with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185355) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:25 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich I know. I just really want a brownstone in the village. heh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185375) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:21 AM Author: nudist scourge upon the earth stock car beautiful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185344) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:16 AM Author: marvelous kitty Dude what is market in TTTexas now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185316) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:18 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Market Pay?
Most firms $135 + an automatic $5 bonus. So $140K.
With the signing bonus, graduation bonus, moving expenses, bar fees, and parking, first years get about $155K, which is equivalent to $1 billion in NYC (ok, not really). |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:20 AM Author: slimy half-breed And there are fewer IBankers around, pwning you on a daily basis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185338) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:20 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich We have IBankers here?
Edit: I haven't met one yet. No IBankers to pwn me with their $220K salary and 100+ hour weeks = easy livin'. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:21 AM Author: slimy half-breed I met a Deutschbank Dallas guy in NYC a few weeks ago, he was bragging about his bonus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185343) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:24 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich did you then brag about leaving the office at a decent hour? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185362) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:26 AM Author: nudist scourge upon the earth stock car or not being a total tool who brags about his bonus? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185381) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:26 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich this works too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185388) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:37 AM Author: nudist scourge upon the earth stock car whenever i'm around these people i want to spill my drink on their $3000 suits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185455) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:45 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Meh. It's better to leave them alone. All they have to live for is their bonus. The saddest part is that they don't have time to spend it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185502) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:20 AM Author: Jet stimulating twinkling uncleanness Well, $135k in Texas is like $255k in NYC, I'd say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185341) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:24 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Yeah it's a lot. I'm buying a new car and living in a SWeet apartment my first year! Even while paying my loan I should be able to save $20k/year (to invest in crap).
I can't complain. Oh, and associates bill an average of 1950 hours/year. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:26 AM Author: Jet stimulating twinkling uncleanness Nice. Very nice. NYC is pretty TTT as salaries go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185389) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:28 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Well, it wouldn't be so bad if firms there weren't such sweatshops.
I understand why people work/live there for a couple years. It's just not for me. |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:22 AM Author: marvelous kitty Which part of TTTexas are you in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185349) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:24 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Arguably the TTT-est. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185367) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:26 AM Author: frozen vermilion piazza You can say that again (and you know which part of your summer I'm talking about)! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185385) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:27 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich hey, at least they have slip n'slides in the hallways! SWeet! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185392) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:29 AM Author: frozen vermilion piazza Only beacause of the rubbery carpet and sulfer-ladened humidity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185410) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:30 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Sulfur is good for you bones. Look it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185418) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:31 AM Author: frozen vermilion piazza Good to know =) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185419) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:31 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich How's you tie knot looking today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185425) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:32 AM Author: frozen vermilion piazza Back in NYC...no ties for me =) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185431) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:41 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich Sad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185484) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:32 AM Author: marvelous kitty Care to tell me which? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185426) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:33 AM Author: frozen vermilion piazza Lubbock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185432) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:41 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich The H-tizzle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185485) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:35 AM Author: slimy half-breed Was your high school like Friday Night Lights? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185448) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:42 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich I wish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185486) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:47 AM Author: Jet stimulating twinkling uncleanness Better still, Varsity Blues (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185518) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:02 AM Author: frozen vermilion piazza Varsity Blues represents my rural East Texas highschool almost perfectly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185608) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:26 AM Author: slimy half-breed Americanski, is this you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185384) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:33 AM Author: marvelous kitty 162 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185433) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:35 AM Author: slimy half-breed I just wanted to get him in this thread somehow. I see him at the gym every day anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185445) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:44 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich do you have a crush on him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185497) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:44 AM Author: slimy half-breed He's into azn girls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185501) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:45 AM Author: marvelous kitty Who is he IRL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185504) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:46 AM Author: slimy half-breed Who're you IRL? We were in the same section I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185512) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:53 AM Author: marvelous kitty I'll show you mine if you show me yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185556) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 10:45 AM Author: Crusty theatre sandwich i guess people need hobbies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185509) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:23 AM Author: tan very tactful range This is the most worthless thread ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185770) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:34 AM Author: sooty dashing pistol sneaky criminal Word. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185860) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:41 AM Author: Jet stimulating twinkling uncleanness Not as bad as the AZN guys white girls pandemic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185926) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:45 AM Author: Violet generalized bond national AZN guys with Kent Scholars? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6185951) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:55 AM Author: marvelous kitty TITCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6186021) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 11:57 AM Author: zippy water buffalo Why worthless? If there is a story that personal vendettas/experiences shape LR admissions, I think that's more earthshatterign than your typical blather about which firm has more prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6186031) |
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Date: July 11th, 2006 1:17 PM Author: appetizing judgmental property newt Dude, I hear you. Which is why I hereby announce my intention to run for stundent body president this coming fall. Number one on my agenda is bringing vending machines into Jerome Green. Number two, however, is bringing greater transparency and accountability into the Law Review selection process. My first proposal is to do away with the take-home writing competition. There is just too much room for dishonest aspiring law students to cheat and break the honor code and collaborate with their roomates and Lexis-Nexis. Instead, the writing comp should be conducted in class, taking advantage of SofTest and the eagle eyes of our distinguished procturing community. In addition, I propose the introduciton of a major blue-booking component. This should be worth at least 84% of the overall grade, since 99% of an editor's duties will be checking that citations are in proper blue book form. Finally, because grading has been such a major problem in the past, I propose that each reader prepare a 20 page account of their justifications for their rankings and that the final order be published for the community at large, with official mechanisms in place for students to challenge the outcome. If a challenge is succesful, the grader should be immediately stripped of his or her position on the review and his or her employer should be notified at once. To further insure the integrity of the process, current Law Review students shall be forbidden from fraternizing with incoming 1Ls. This includes preventing them from serving as TAs for foundation courses and possibly sequestering them in Little Warren for their tenure on the journal.
If you like what you hear, be sure to cast a ballot this Fall for CLStumper for student boby president. |
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Date: July 25th, 2006 3:30 PM Author: contagious maroon sanctuary Any news on this drama? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6296506) |
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Date: July 25th, 2006 3:49 PM Author: appetizing judgmental property newt I looked into it. As it turns out, no one actually made Kent this year. First time since '78. Heads are apparently gonna roll in the admissions office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6296619) |
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Date: July 25th, 2006 4:01 PM Author: contagious maroon sanctuary Will the admissions staff have a cushy landing at NYU as well? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6296709) |
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Date: July 25th, 2006 4:53 PM Author: appetizing judgmental property newt A blue chip panel of distiguished faculty members appointed earlier this month to investigate the matter will be issuing its report before the start of orientation. Sources close to the invesitgation tell me that the panel has concluded that CLS has been REFUSINGTOMATCHNYUFINAIDOFFERSPWNED! There is some off-the-record speculation that a number of faculty members disgruntled by the recent dean search worked together this past year to sabotage the curve. It will be interesting to learn whether the conspiracy had inflitrated the ranks of the Law Review. So far, there is no evidence to suggest that current staffers or board members were involved. All this will likely come to a head in October, when insiders anticipate a massive defection of faculty as well as staff members downtown. Whatever happens, it promises to have major repurcussions throughout the NY legal community. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6297167) |
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Date: July 25th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: titillating crackhouse headpube Whoh, are you serious? You have any proof? Someone has to have made Kent. I thought I remembered seeing a post on this board by someone who got it.
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Date: July 25th, 2006 5:05 PM Author: appetizing judgmental property newt No. I'm full of crap like the rest of this goofy thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6297259) |
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Date: July 25th, 2006 5:08 PM Author: slimy half-breed I know at least two, so yes, people made Kent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6297293) |
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Date: July 25th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: appetizing judgmental property newt Do you know the one who is the subject of this thread? I would like to speak with him/her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=451653&forum_id=2#6297320) |
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Date: July 6th, 2007 4:14 PM Author: slimy half-breed BUMP.
Did this year see a repeat of this shameful conspiracy? |