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New hire repeatedly missing deadlines

Guy keeps saying "I will have this done by this day&quo...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
either shit can or ask for head
soul-stirring volcanic crater clown
  04/01/15
He won't last six months. This is the first time I've had s...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
sounds like he is cruising with an easy paycheck
soul-stirring volcanic crater clown
  04/01/15
Maybe but it has to be stressful constantly pissing people o...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
not if you dont give one fuck i know a guy that did this ...
soul-stirring volcanic crater clown
  04/01/15
Well this guy is a lateral from six months ago. I already t...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
95% cchance he poasts
Sick Lavender Field
  04/01/15
cr
fiercely-loyal yapping bawdyhouse
  04/01/15
if you want to do him a solid, give him a closed door straig...
violent aggressive personal credit line
  04/01/15
lol no he will find a way to buy himself 6 more months regar...
Beta pearl institution
  04/02/15
biglaw?
misanthropic plaza
  04/01/15
No fairly large boutique
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
show some spine and have a sit down talk with him about his ...
cerebral theater weed whacker
  04/01/15
I have several times. He's always super apologetic and nice...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
I think we work with the same dude. So difficult to take so...
Laughsome resort hissy fit
  04/01/15
Then there's no other choice but to negatively affect his ev...
cerebral theater weed whacker
  04/01/15
Lol don't see how this dude can survive until evaluations.
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
even better.
cerebral theater weed whacker
  04/01/15
Well I don't have any equity stake here. I'm pissed that I'...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
to be fair, here the truth comes out you aren't important...
salmon turdskin
  04/02/15
this, didn't see this before i poasted above.
violent aggressive personal credit line
  04/01/15
At some point people realize they are not going to continue ...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
There are better ways to slack and coast than to repeatedly ...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
Any chance you pissed him off at some point and he's being s...
Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman
  04/01/15
Thought that but i walked around and chatted with a few peop...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
Lol your partners are so busy they will not get around to it...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
Turning down work is a lot better approach than repeatedly s...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
Our slackers are constantly late. It's a good way for them ...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
I don't believe he has any other assignments currently.
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
What reasons does he give for missing deadlines when you tal...
stimulating mildly autistic house
  04/01/15
Usually relates to wanting to add more details about somethi...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
You shouldn't ever be paying with the partner for his missed...
Plum anal temple genital piercing
  04/02/15
Kinda sounds like the man, tbh
Fragrant territorial internal respiration school cafeteria
  04/01/15
holy shit did you hire me
Buck-toothed Station Useless Brakes
  04/01/15
was concerned this was me until i saw the details
haunting depressive market
  04/02/15
As a bit of background on this topic on why I have said abov...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
To be fair, you sound like a woman, being so concerned about...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
(guy who puts in 800 hrs/yr)
Sick Lavender Field
  04/01/15
im on dat inhouse tip solid 40 hrs a week no billables yny
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
To be clear, this conversation was 30 minutes long so I did ...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
That's just how firms function. Stars are underpaid and coas...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
If only the stars realized how easy it is to solo if you hav...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
Lol the skill set of being a successful SOLO and being a suc...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
It does take having a pair of balls but otherwise it really ...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
Nice bro. How niche are we talking?
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
Not really niche so much as people usually don't want to pay...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
lol at the chinkbot striver above attracting any solo client...
Beta pearl institution
  04/02/15
lol
Razzle point wrinkle
  04/02/15
Are you an actual moron? Literally every piece of research i...
electric heaven
  04/02/15
interesting
Sick Lavender Field
  04/01/15
I'd be pissed too. Ballsy to drop the two-week notice witho...
cerebral theater weed whacker
  04/01/15
Why didnt you just coast And bill 1000 hours/yr after he sai...
Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman
  04/01/15
were you on partner track? as a partner i used to work fo...
Unholy Spot
  04/01/15
I was told flat out that I was a shoe-in for partner. At my...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
Okay, yeah I might walk away from that arrangement.
Unholy Spot
  04/01/15
Id be pissed too
Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman
  04/01/15
Well I'm a slacker myself so I can't criticize the low hours...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
Fair, but missing deadlines and unavailability is how you ke...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
GREETINGS TIME WALKER! ARE CONTEMPORARIES IN YOUR EPOCH EXCI...
hairraiser state gay wizard
  04/01/15
While hilarious this is decidedly uncredited. 2006-7 was wh...
Plum anal temple genital piercing
  04/02/15
Yeah but in seven to ten years you'll be up for partner!
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  04/02/15
If not flame, then you are the reason I hate other lawyers.
Massive blood rage
  04/02/15
Absolutely! This guy is the problem with biglaw. Instead of ...
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  04/02/15
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salmon turdskin
  04/02/15
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Razzle point wrinkle
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haunting depressive market
  04/02/15
though honestly as a slacker myself, id be fine making half ...
wild lake home antidepressant drug
  04/02/15
(thing that never happened)
Beta pearl institution
  04/02/15
Sounds like INHOUSE. Missing deadlines is the NORM. People a...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
Meeting deadlines means you're obviously not busy and will p...
beady-eyed space
  04/01/15
Lol tyft. Unfortunately the people who tend to miss deadline...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
Right, because they have the greatest need to seem busy.
beady-eyed space
  04/01/15
Or because they are lazy, don't care, are incompetent, or al...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
Yup- been true since forever. my grandma used to say "...
bright swashbuckling quadroon
  04/02/15
CR. It's part of the way the legal department markets itsel...
Plum anal temple genital piercing
  04/02/15
The positive is that it makes it much easier to be a standou...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/02/15
Somewhat CR, but the people who do best are the ones that im...
Plum anal temple genital piercing
  04/02/15
This guy sounds like me. 18 months in and averaging 100 hrs ...
slippery karate jewess
  04/01/15
did you lateral?
Sick Lavender Field
  04/01/15
Nah 2nd yr
slippery karate jewess
  04/01/15
Seems dangerous
Filthy bat shit crazy center pozpig
  04/01/15
What's the worst that can happen? He doesn't have to go kill...
excitant rough-skinned ticket booth
  04/01/15
I'm just riding it out now. It's not dangerous if you've mad...
slippery karate jewess
  04/01/15
In that case more power to you brother.
Filthy bat shit crazy center pozpig
  04/01/15
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  04/01/15
Jesus fucking Christ, why care about this shit. Missed deadl...
Aromatic electric furnace goyim
  04/01/15
I am the assigning attorney. If he doesn't get it done, I g...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
If you're getting blamed that sucks. Fire the fucker. I fuck...
Aromatic electric furnace goyim
  04/01/15
Im sure OP loves getting reprimanded for his underling's mis...
Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman
  04/01/15
Just imagine you were on teh titantic. what tf would you eve...
Buck-toothed Station Useless Brakes
  04/01/15
Do you think he will be more focused now that he does not ha...
coral gunner giraffe
  04/01/15
How do coasters get to coast? Why aren't they fired?
spectacular office immigrant
  04/01/15
Strategic evasion. Well crafted excuses. you generally have ...
slippery karate jewess
  04/01/15
Cr. It's managing to be simultaneously horrible at your job ...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
Biglaw eventually culls even these types tho
Erotic Queen Of The Night Background Story
  04/01/15
i havent worked in months and when I was practicing law I di...
Razzle point wrinkle
  04/02/15
Well if you just generally avoid work, I think you can slack...
jet misunderstood mood
  04/01/15
Why fire him? You'll continue to just keep picking up the s...
Comical olive senate
  04/01/15
Every other industry solved this problem with performance ba...
bright swashbuckling quadroon
  04/02/15
love this thread. lateralled 8 months ago after 3 years and...
wild lake home antidepressant drug
  04/02/15
maybe you should stop setting fake arbitrary deadlines. See...
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  04/02/15
lol at the whiny of counsel pumos in this thread. just beca...
salmon turdskin
  04/02/15
lol
Razzle point wrinkle
  04/02/15
Biglaw sucks, is entirely fraud&lies, etc. but it's not ...
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some people are just chronic procrastinators...
Hideous national hominid
  04/02/15
Ive barely gone in to work in 3 months and I'm still collect...
Trip Drab Candlestick Maker
  04/02/15
wait. is this artisinal ham girl?
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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:47 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Guy keeps saying "I will have this done by this day". Never completes it by the day. This is really starting to affect me adversely. Pissed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598217)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:50 PM
Author: soul-stirring volcanic crater clown

either shit can or ask for head

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598240)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:52 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

He won't last six months. This is the first time I've had somebody so brazenly do this. Maybe he's having personal issues or something but this is just ridiculous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598257)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:53 PM
Author: soul-stirring volcanic crater clown

sounds like he is cruising with an easy paycheck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598262)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:55 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Maybe but it has to be stressful constantly pissing people off and getting yelled at.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598275)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:57 PM
Author: soul-stirring volcanic crater clown

not if you dont give one fuck

i know a guy that did this constantly, it was his schtick

you can pull it off for a few years before it catches up to you in biglaw since its so hard to let someone go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598287)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:00 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Well this guy is a lateral from six months ago. I already talked to one of the head partners, and he's already ready to shitcan him. I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt to see if this can be salvaged but it's looking increasingly unlikely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598310)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:46 PM
Author: Sick Lavender Field

95% cchance he poasts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598630)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:56 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal yapping bawdyhouse

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598718)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:43 PM
Author: violent aggressive personal credit line

if you want to do him a solid, give him a closed door straight talk and straight up ask what's going on. if he comes clean and there's something (divorce, crisis, etc) try to help him like a good bro. Otherwise, fuck that guy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599246)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:24 AM
Author: Beta pearl institution

lol no he will find a way to buy himself 6 more months regardless. Fire the fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601835)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:54 PM
Author: misanthropic plaza

biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598267)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:00 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

No fairly large boutique

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598312)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:55 PM
Author: cerebral theater weed whacker

show some spine and have a sit down talk with him about his terrible performance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598272)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 8:56 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

I have several times. He's always super apologetic and nice in person but then just goes back to failing to meet whatever new deadline he agreed to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598282)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:01 PM
Author: Laughsome resort hissy fit

I think we work with the same dude. So difficult to take someone to task when when they are nice like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598319)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:08 PM
Author: cerebral theater weed whacker

Then there's no other choice but to negatively affect his evaluations. If expectations are clear and you've seen no improvement then burn him at the stake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598374)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:13 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Lol don't see how this dude can survive until evaluations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598405)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:14 PM
Author: cerebral theater weed whacker

even better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598412)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:16 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Well I don't have any equity stake here. I'm pissed that I'll probably have to write these particular assignments I gave him myself. But otherwise just won't give him anymore work. Don't really care how long he coasts for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598426)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:46 AM
Author: salmon turdskin

to be fair, here the truth comes out

you aren't important, he knows you aren't important, and he is pushing your work off to do work for people that are important.

this happens at every firm to of counsels and income partners. welcome to the pyramid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601970)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:44 PM
Author: violent aggressive personal credit line

this, didn't see this before i poasted above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599250)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:00 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

At some point people realize they are not going to continue in biglaw. At this point they have two options, find a new career or ride the train and collect them checks. Most laterals are complete "collect them checks" types. We just had a lateral bill 800 hours (she literally turned down work constantly), then before her review she announced her resignation. As a transactional associate you can get away with murder right now and continue this process till the economy does because the shortage is real and permanent in the mid level years. I have a buddy whos on his third firm billing less than 1000 hours.

Partners are such passive aggressive pussies that you can get away with murder.

These people pissed me off when I was in biglaw until I realized they are maximizing their returns on the system. These people just get it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598313)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:04 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

There are better ways to slack and coast than to repeatedly say "I'll have this done tomorrow" and not do it. That seems like a good approach to expedite your exit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598348)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:07 PM
Author: Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman

Any chance you pissed him off at some point and he's being subtly trollling you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598366)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:10 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Thought that but i walked around and chatted with a few people today, and he's pulled the same shit with everybody. Also pulled his hours and he is billing 110 hours a month so it's not like he's busy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598387)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:10 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

Lol your partners are so busy they will not get around to it for a minimum of 9 more months. It's a key part of the slacking strategy, when someone gives them an assignment, they say sorry I am working on matter X and am pretty behind the eight ball. You then confirm they are indeed behind.

Again, this only works because your bosses are cowards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598386)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:12 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Turning down work is a lot better approach than repeatedly saying you'll do something and then not doing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598400)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:16 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

Our slackers are constantly late. It's a good way for them to reassert that they are swamped.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598422)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:17 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

I don't believe he has any other assignments currently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598438)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:25 PM
Author: stimulating mildly autistic house

What reasons does he give for missing deadlines when you talk to him?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598500)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:41 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Usually relates to wanting to add more details about something. Hasn't cited other work or personal issues as of yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598597)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:07 PM
Author: Plum anal temple genital piercing

You shouldn't ever be paying with the partner for his missed deadline. I assume he's not proactively coming back to you at deadline and saying "sorry my nigga I know it's dat deadline but I'm still trying to figure out x and y. I'll be back at you in the a m. Black actors, man, Black actors." Instead you have to go seek him out each time and say "where the fuck is the thing you promised?" IME I mean not me but this guy I know the credited long term disorganized/slack approach is to acknowledge deadline when it's getting missed and give a substantive reason to readjust deadline. You're still an asshole and annoying to work with, but at least you don't seem completely clueless, and it leaves room for hope that you might one day get your shit together. If he's making you chew him out each time you should point this out to him. Then when the partner bitches you out you forward his bullshit email and say "fucktarded junior is being shitty again."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602458)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:37 PM
Author: Fragrant territorial internal respiration school cafeteria

Kinda sounds like the man, tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598573)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:40 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Station Useless Brakes

holy shit did you hire me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598594)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:25 PM
Author: haunting depressive market

was concerned this was me until i saw the details

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602514)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:42 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

As a bit of background on this topic on why I have said above that slacking does not matter:

I was on pace to bill 2400 my year. I went into the timesheet system our firm has and discovered that other associates were on pace for 1100 hours. Needless to say, I was fucking pissed. I was likely the best regarded associate (told by many partners) at my satellite firm office (around 12 associates).

I requested a meeting with the managing partner and laid out the facts above. His response that my work was great and the others did not have good work. I said that was awesome except that those people made the same salary I made without killing themselves like I was, so if he didn't like them, then they needed to get rid of them and find associates the firm could give work to in order to help me out. He literally said the firm would absolutely not consider firing anyone so long as it was in good economic health, and things would continue to remain as-is. I put in my two weeks notice on the spot.

Some firms seriously just will not fire people.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598606)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:46 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

To be fair, you sound like a woman, being so concerned about what's "fair" about how much others are paid. Who cares what others are paid relative to you. If you think you deserve you should get a raise then ask for one. But don't be like "lol they shouldn't make as much!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598634)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: Sick Lavender Field

(guy who puts in 800 hrs/yr)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598650)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:50 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

im on dat inhouse tip solid 40 hrs a week no billables yny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598674)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

To be clear, this conversation was 30 minutes long so I did not recall every detail. I asked for a raise which was immediately rejected as against firm policy to not deviate from lockstep. I think it was legitimate to complain about others getting paid the same when the firm had outright called the raise a non-starter against firm policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598681)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:53 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

That's just how firms function. Stars are underpaid and coasters are overpaid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598694)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:55 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

If only the stars realized how easy it is to solo if you have that kind of motor. I make way more than what I did in way less hours now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598709)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:56 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

Lol the skill set of being a successful SOLO and being a successful BIGLAW associate are completely different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598719)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

It does take having a pair of balls but otherwise it really hasn't been that challenging. Being an expert in a niche area where people did not want to typically pay biglaw rates really helped me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598791)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:07 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

Nice bro. How niche are we talking?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598842)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:13 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

Not really niche so much as people usually don't want to pay biglaw money for it. My pitch is that you get a biglaw expertise at half the cost, which makes it affordable for a class of people who would otherwise not retain counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598968)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:28 AM
Author: Beta pearl institution

lol at the chinkbot striver above attracting any solo clients and then overbilling the fuck out of them. YOU PAY ME NOW I BIRL 2800 HOURS TO YOUR CASE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601851)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:36 AM
Author: Razzle point wrinkle

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602296)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 9:25 AM
Author: electric heaven

Are you an actual moron? Literally every piece of research indicates that the only thing relevant to your happiness is relative income, possessions, achievements, etc. Absolute pay is completely irrelevant.

Plus, just as a matter of economics, obviously they could afford to pay superstar associate a larger base (or at least bonus) if they had fewer of these underperforming lawyers on hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601615)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:47 PM
Author: Sick Lavender Field

interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598647)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: cerebral theater weed whacker

I'd be pissed too. Ballsy to drop the two-week notice without another job too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598655)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman

Why didnt you just coast And bill 1000 hours/yr after he said that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598657)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:50 PM
Author: Unholy Spot

were you on partner track?

as a partner i used to work for would say, you're not killing yourself at a firm for the salary you get, but for the partner profits should you get elected. it's not quite that easy, but there is a grain of truth in that. he also basically said that if you don't see yourself making at least $1M/year in the future, then you should do something else, bc biglaw is too demanding of a job to be making $300k a year as a Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598677)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:54 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

I was told flat out that I was a shoe-in for partner. At my firm it was a free for all above and junior partners made like 300k no equity for 5 years. To make that after killing myself for another 5 years (track takes about ten years at the office) was not worth it. At most firms away from the top few you dont make shit unless you have clients. And if you have clients, why the fuck wouldn't you just solo instead of waiting 15 years for equity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598702)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:55 PM
Author: Unholy Spot

Okay, yeah I might walk away from that arrangement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598713)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:08 PM
Author: Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman

Id be pissed too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598880)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Well I'm a slacker myself so I can't criticize the low hours folks. But actively taking on work and missing deadlines would seem to piss people off and draw attention to yourself much faster than just having low hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598684)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

Fair, but missing deadlines and unavailability is how you keep your hours low. For instance, one partner refused to work with an associate because he left the office and was unreachable at 5:15 P.M. on the eve of a closing. A lot of people with low hours avoid the whole turning down work thing by just giving enough bad experiences like the one above until nobody even asks them. As I said, a lot firms will not conduct a layoff in an economically healthy department period.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598784)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: hairraiser state gay wizard

GREETINGS TIME WALKER! ARE CONTEMPORARIES IN YOUR EPOCH EXCITED ABOUT THE UPCOMING iPhone LAUNCH?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598786)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:19 PM
Author: Plum anal temple genital piercing

While hilarious this is decidedly uncredited. 2006-7 was when the stealth was invented and perfected specifically bc you had a bunch of completely useless midlevels who never got trained and all of a sudden made 250k bc the lockstep shot up so much. Mid levels today are much more protected bc the markets were more or less functional after the bottom of ITE. 2001-2 was a stock market recession which pwn3d the juniors of that time. 2008-9 was a mortgage recession that left juniors plenty of work and way less competition once the great lathamings had washed across biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602492)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 6:53 AM
Author: 180 Demanding Coldplay Fan Affirmative Action

Yeah but in seven to ten years you'll be up for partner!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601334)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 7:06 AM
Author: Massive blood rage

If not flame, then you are the reason I hate other lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601346)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:16 AM
Author: Henna legal warrant

Absolutely! This guy is the problem with biglaw. Instead of saying to himself, "I can have a good lifestyle billing like these guys," he runs to the partner to complain. And people wonder why biglaw is miserable? It is because it filled with people like this. Fucking awful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601803)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:48 AM
Author: salmon turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601986)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:35 AM
Author: Hideous national hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602291)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:43 AM
Author: Razzle point wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602344)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:31 PM
Author: haunting depressive market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602549)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:30 AM
Author: wild lake home antidepressant drug

though honestly as a slacker myself, id be fine making half and billing half of what this guy does if the expectations were clear and i could do my 4-5 hrs a day and then not be stressed all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601865)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:27 AM
Author: Beta pearl institution

(thing that never happened)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601846)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:45 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

Sounds like INHOUSE. Missing deadlines is the NORM. People are legit surprised if you are given work, you give a reasonable deadline of when you will do something, and then you meet or exceed it. They expect you to drag your feet for at least a week or so after when you said you would do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598624)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:47 PM
Author: beady-eyed space

Meeting deadlines means you're obviously not busy and will probably be gone in the next round of layoffs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598648)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:49 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

Lol tyft. Unfortunately the people who tend to miss deadlines are often those with the least amount of work in my experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598667)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:50 PM
Author: beady-eyed space

Right, because they have the greatest need to seem busy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598673)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

Or because they are lazy, don't care, are incompetent, or all of the above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598683)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 7:25 AM
Author: bright swashbuckling quadroon

Yup- been true since forever. my grandma used to say "if you want to get something done, give it to someone who is busy!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601361)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 12:26 PM
Author: Plum anal temple genital piercing

CR. It's part of the way the legal department markets itself to the business. "Sorry I made you wait on this answer, fucker who can't give feedback on my review. But the legal department staffs so LEAN and we're expected to cover SO MUCH GROUND that it's really best this way. You could have this answer when you wanted it last week, but we'd need to hire twice as many attorneys to make that happen, and then we'd all get lower bonuses." But I disagree with the above person who said making deadlines means you're not useful. It means you should be teed up for a BIGGER ROLE, which is why the system actually works better than biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602521)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:26 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

The positive is that it makes it much easier to be a standout INHOUSE than at a firm. Doing what would be considered the bare minimum at a firm is considered very impressive INHOUSE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602989)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:35 PM
Author: Plum anal temple genital piercing

Somewhat CR, but the people who do best are the ones that important execs troll for, period. I'd rather be a middling performer with powerful clients who love me than well-regarded in the department but invisible to the business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27604669)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:48 PM
Author: slippery karate jewess

This guy sounds like me. 18 months in and averaging 100 hrs a month over that period. Still getting paid every 2 weeks. Yny.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598658)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: Sick Lavender Field

did you lateral?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598685)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:51 PM
Author: slippery karate jewess

Nah 2nd yr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598687)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:52 PM
Author: Filthy bat shit crazy center pozpig

Seems dangerous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598692)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:53 PM
Author: excitant rough-skinned ticket booth

What's the worst that can happen? He doesn't have to go kill his soul at a firm anymore? lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598697)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:54 PM
Author: slippery karate jewess

I'm just riding it out now. It's not dangerous if you've made peace that biglaw won't be where you make your stand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598700)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:57 PM
Author: Filthy bat shit crazy center pozpig

In that case more power to you brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598730)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: Erotic Queen Of The Night Background Story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599118)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 9:58 PM
Author: Aromatic electric furnace goyim

Jesus fucking Christ, why care about this shit. Missed deadlines? Partners fault. Fuck giving a shit. Grow some stones OP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598732)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:00 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

I am the assigning attorney. If he doesn't get it done, I get blamed. More like I have to try to fix it with urgency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598752)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:02 PM
Author: Aromatic electric furnace goyim

If you're getting blamed that sucks. Fire the fucker. I fucking hate games people play with this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598777)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:01 PM
Author: Confused Balding Tanning Salon Patrolman

Im sure OP loves getting reprimanded for his underling's mistakes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598763)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Station Useless Brakes

Just imagine you were on teh titantic. what tf would you even do. talk to the partner?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598778)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: coral gunner giraffe

Do you think he will be more focused now that he does not have mod powers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598793)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: spectacular office immigrant

How do coasters get to coast? Why aren't they fired?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598795)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:06 PM
Author: slippery karate jewess

Strategic evasion. Well crafted excuses. you generally have to be likable and personable so that nebbish partners don't want to deal with the discomfort of firing you. Ymmv.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598807)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:09 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

Cr. It's managing to be simultaneously horrible at your job while being everyone's best friend. It's quite a skill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598885)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:26 PM
Author: Erotic Queen Of The Night Background Story

Biglaw eventually culls even these types tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599132)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:46 AM
Author: Razzle point wrinkle

i havent worked in months and when I was practicing law I didn't either. im amazed im still around tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602354)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:10 PM
Author: jet misunderstood mood

Well if you just generally avoid work, I think you can slack for a long time. There are a lot of reasons people may be slow, and its just hard to Fire somebody based on hours. If this guy keeps pulling this shit, I think he'll be gone within six months. But what do I know? It's not like I can fire him myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27598913)



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Date: April 1st, 2015 10:45 PM
Author: Comical olive senate

Why fire him? You'll continue to just keep picking up the slack. From the partners perspective there is no issue here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27599262)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 7:34 AM
Author: bright swashbuckling quadroon

Every other industry solved this problem with performance based comp.

Biglaw can't do that economically because they make their margins off the grinder associate and of counsel types. They realize that the slackers are just a cost of business, and if they manage to bill 100 hrs a month, the net cost may be zero.

Mat leave is the same thing. No firm makes money off mat leave - it's an experiment that failed because all the moms leave asap after taking the leave. But the firms are ok with eating the cost because of the marketing benefit.

What you should be upset about is that you are underpaid and are relying on some early 2000s get rich scheme of partnership that doesn't exist anymore. Even if you make partner, you'll be working your balls off, and you won't make much until years into it when, guess what, they will push you out if you aren't billing a ton of hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601372)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 8:47 AM
Author: wild lake home antidepressant drug

love this thread. lateralled 8 months ago after 3 years and my hours have varied each month between acceptable and complete joke. I rarely if ever miss a deadline, and if I do its by no more than 12 hours, but sometimes the work quality is significantly sub par. I really do try, but i have so little motivation and get so goddam stress-pwned sometimes that I can't help it. I've made peace with the fact that getting fired will be the best day of my life, but the striver in me won't let me just coast, so it's a constant tug of war which is having some serious deleterious effects on my personal life and sanity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601506)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:34 AM
Author: garnet vengeful elastic band set

maybe you should stop setting fake arbitrary deadlines. Seems like this guy is on to your game and just ignores you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601884)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 10:50 AM
Author: salmon turdskin

lol at the whiny of counsel pumos in this thread. just because you got NOBREAKFAST doesn't mean you have to be miserable shrews. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27601994)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:47 AM
Author: Razzle point wrinkle

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602358)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:29 PM
Author: marvelous mauve public bath mexican

Biglaw sucks, is entirely fraud&lies, etc. but it's not "chill" to do this shit to your colleagues unless they give you a good reason to. Biglaw people are bad enough, why does this board praise people who want to turn it into a competition between associates to see how can stick the others with his work? If a senior associate has been a real dick, that's another story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27603014)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 11:36 AM
Author: Hideous national hominid

some people are just chronic procrastinators...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27602301)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 1:35 PM
Author: Trip Drab Candlestick Maker

Ive barely gone in to work in 3 months and I'm still collecting dem checks. I set up a mannequin with its torso attached to an oscillating fan so it moves around a little bit, and I put the blinds down in my office and put a cardboard cut out on the inside of my office so it's always casting a shadow. Constantly looks like I'm meeting with someone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27603062)



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Date: April 2nd, 2015 5:35 PM
Author: slimy fighting striped hyena lodge

wait. is this artisinal ham girl?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2844439&forum_id=2#27604670)