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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria I need a new laptop. I am hesitant b/c I've heard of them causing problems after 9-10 months and I was told I would need to get an extra $200 warranty. Is this true? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042350) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:35 PM Author: Ivory Area next post decides what I eat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042357) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:07 PM Author: Hairraiser Pearl Pistol Mother lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14060582) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:36 PM Author: glittery bright sanctuary kitty cat not sure, but congratulations in advance for your 100 post thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042365) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:38 PM Author: Clear codepig Get the Mac. But also get the warranty. That shit breaks, but they are very good about repairing if you have the warranty. If you don't, you're fucked. Take it from someone who lost his warranty-less Macbook Pro about 17 months after purchase.
They're great, but buy the warranty. Always. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:48 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria how long is the warranty for? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042494) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:51 PM Author: electric rusted idea he suggested i believe it comes with 90 days phone/warranty and warranty up to a year. If you buy Apple Care it goes to 3 years phone/warranty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042547) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:56 PM Author: Clear codepig Comes with a 1-year warranty. At any point during that 1-year you can extend to 3 years.
Verify with the sales rep that this is still possible, but it if it is, don't buy it right now. Wait 11.5 months and then shell out. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria OK ty, this is what I was wondering. I will double-check when I go in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042654) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:11 PM Author: Lake cruise ship titcr You can extend 11mos 20dy into the purchase by buying AppleCare at that point. However, statistically speaking, extended warranties are always a waste. It wouldn't make economical sense for a company to offer extended warranties if they lost money on the deal, and warranties are a zero-sum game. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 4:22 PM Author: Hideous magical property you don't really understand how insurance works, do you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14056222) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 4:29 PM Author: Nighttime internet-worthy quadroon is health insurance "always a waste"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14056270) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:17 PM Author: Vibrant self-absorbed hall shitlib Never had mine break. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042890) |
Date: February 7th, 2010 1:36 PM Author: Cracking psychic yes, get one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042361) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:36 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042363) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:41 PM Author: cerise cerebral institution I have a macbook air, like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042408) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:41 PM Author: Stimulating Chapel No, don't get one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042410) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:41 PM Author: Thriller kitchen no. they're for faggots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042419) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:42 PM Author: Ivory Area fuking hipsters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042422) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:44 PM Author: saffron irradiated address get it get it get it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042448) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:45 PM Author: multi-colored claret cuckoldry stage no, wait for the ipad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042455) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:45 PM Author: frozen yarmulke yes. no viruses, everything just works. get the warranty for 3 yr applecare as well. i'd recommend the cheapest 12" macbook with student discount if you have your old uni ID still on you and the 3 yr applecare.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:47 PM Author: Ivory Area everything just works? how bout the right click you stupid asshole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042476) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:47 PM Author: frozen yarmulke cntrl click
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:49 PM Author: Ivory Area that takes two fingers instead of one
Pc: 1
Mac: 0
faggot
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:50 PM Author: frozen yarmulke yes you might die if you exert that much, fatso. stick with your pc. macs: for those without a weight problem.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:52 PM Author: Ivory Area i have a thyroid problem you fucking idiot, if I could control my metabolism i would (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042556) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:52 PM Author: frozen yarmulke lol fatty.
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:25 PM Author: fluffy mental disorder police squad multi touch outweighs any disadvantages of not having a right mouse button. It's easy to right-click if you want:
On Laptops: Right-click (like on a 2 button mouse) Place 2 fingers on the trackpad and Click
http://www.danrodney.com/mac/ |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:49 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria yup I have my university ID, but it's only a 10% discount right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042507) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:52 PM Author: frozen yarmulke i think so. when i bought one last time they threw in a free printer/scanner as well as the discount. not sure if it was a promo for everyone or just people with student id.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:12 PM Author: Lake cruise ship apple always has that free printer with mac + free ipod shit going on for students like every early fall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042829) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: Floppy sienna digit ratio party of the first part NO viruses
I never did get the logic behind this argument. If your so worried about viruses why not opt for linux which lies at the end of the spectrum that are OS. When it comes to OS there's only 2 criteria, compatibility(windows) and safety(Linux). Mac lies in the middle of these 2 criteria and as such is worthless imho.
Better to get an Asus UL series laptop that comes with an awesome warranty of the bat and lower cost. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:59 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria To be fair, I have a pc and I've never gotten a virus so far. I have a decent virus protection program. I also don't really download much online (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042682) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: Floppy sienna digit ratio party of the first part I download a lot of shit, but I do it from credible sources and have never gotten a virus this way. Only time I've gotten viruses have been from thumb drives that I use at school or work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042754) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:20 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug A decent virus program should scan those too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043979) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:53 PM Author: electric rusted idea he suggested I switched to mac - imac specifically, and love it. The macbook I'm sure is great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042568) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:53 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria Also a lot of ppl/reviews are saying it breaks down after a 1 yr or so, so what's the point in spending so much on a mac? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042581) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:54 PM Author: frozen yarmulke they give you a new one if it dies under applecare. mines running for 2.5yrs now so im hoping it breaks and i can get a new one. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:56 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria Do you have to get applecare right when you buy your laptop? Or can you get it before your 1 year warranty expires (so you're protected for 4 years)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042629) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:57 PM Author: Ivory Area no way man they don't let you do that
apples customer service is comparable to a bag of assholes |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: electric rusted idea he suggested no, i believe it is an option up until original warranty expires. . . but you still only get the benefit of 3 full years, (not 1 year + 3 more) however, if you buy multiple items (macbook, ipod, iphone, time capsul) and you purchase applecare at that time, it would apply to all items. If you buy it later, it only applies to the single item you are putting under extended warranty. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: frozen yarmulke go to teh apple store and ask. i bought mine when i bought the laptop so i dunno. i'd recommend playing around with a few macs at the store itself. see which you actually like before buying.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042662) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 1:58 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria what do you recommend instead? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042669) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:01 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug If you do work just a HP or Dell. If you are buying an accessory, buy whatever you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042706) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:02 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria I had a Dell computer before and it was super shitty---caused tons of problems. I also don't like HP. I was considering an IBM thinkpad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042722) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:05 PM Author: frozen yarmulke no such thing. ibm exited the laptop business. now you get chinese thinkpad clones which are absolutely shit compared to the original.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:04 PM Author: electric rusted idea he suggested I owned shitty dell and HP laptops. DO NOT BUY FROM THESE FUCKED UP COMPANIES
IF your are going to get a PC - spring for a Sony or Thinkpad or something that won't be a piece of shit. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:04 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria titcr, I thought Bothered knows a lot about electronics but Dell is truly shitty. HP sucks too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042743) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: Ivory Area its all the same shit dumbass, all manufacturers use the same chinese parts assembled by child labor in CHINA and they throw a nice brand name on the front and all of a sudden you think its a different computer? for fuks sake do you have downs syndrome or are you just a faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042753) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:12 PM Author: Motley milk right, but some companies are better at throwing those components together than others. lol at dell trying to squeeze the i7 clarksfield into their studio xps 16. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043798) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:06 PM Author: Motley milk bothered has a dell e-series right now. take that for what it's worth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043694) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:15 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug cheap, decently built, and rock solid thus far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043863) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:18 PM Author: Motley milk cool man, just realize that your experience with dell is limited only to a single model. hell, there's quite a variation of experience between the different latitude users, let alone the different lines, e.g., inspiron, studio xps, precision, etc. i doubt you would be singing that tune if you had an E4300 for example. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043931) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:19 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug right, well, you are only looking for first-hand knowledge and not cheerleading, right? I used many dells in other places and they were fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043967) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:26 PM Author: Motley milk that's fine, as long as you're talking about current models. knowing how well a discontinued model worked is irrelevant since dell's quality is not uniform and varies from model to model. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044094) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:27 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug yeah, macs have never had problems. people are vocal when they have problems, there are just that many more pc owners out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044126) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:28 PM Author: Motley milk fair criticism, but cheerleading dell's current lineup on the basis of one relatively trouble-free latitude is kind of disingenuous since there are really BAD problems with other dell offerings at the moment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044146) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:30 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug fine. If I were to purchase again I would choose an HP elitebook. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044176) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:44 PM Author: Motley milk the next latitude refresh should be smoother since they're not doing a complete redesign. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044386) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:47 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug The main thing I care about is battery life and the new laptops are doing great on this. Otherwise, I don;t really care about gaming. even normal laptops do fine with HD video these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044438) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:30 PM Author: Ivory Area wasn't dell the manufacturer that had the laptop batteries that blew up and some guy had his laptop on his lap and it blew his dick off? Anyone remember what I'm talking about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044185) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:32 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug like apples problems with batteries or even sweat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044197) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:33 PM Author: Motley milk dell doesn't manufacture its own batteries to the best of my knowledge.
anyway, that would only be a concern if it's a current problem. but something that serious ends up getting recalled immediately. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:15 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug well, there are slews of these computers on 24/7 in schools and corporate environments and they do just fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043849) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:41 PM Author: heady apoplectic forum clown For every person like you, there's someone like me.
My Inspiron 9300 is still going strong after 5 years of greatness. I credit the GPU. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:43 PM Author: Motley milk that would be great if he could still buy an inspiron 9300, but he can't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044373) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:51 PM Author: heady apoplectic forum clown Then what's the purpose of your criticism if it only applies to a specific models? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044483) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:59 PM Author: Motley milk the OP would be better served to receive recommendations and feedback from users of specific models in question. for instance notebookreview.com forums has threads dedicated just for specific models, so the OP can read about the user experience directly from owners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044577) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 4:12 PM Author: heady apoplectic forum clown titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044723) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:06 PM Author: Stimulating Chapel Terrible advice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042757) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:18 PM Author: crawly market antidepressant drug Hey, I built my desktops for years and that was fine. The dells I have used and now own have been trouble-free. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043933) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 9:58 AM Author: Stimulating Chapel Their laptops are awful. Our law school had a deal with them so most people used them. They failed at an astounding rate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14053651) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:51 PM Author: Vengeful meetinghouse lol, no you old idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043445) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:01 PM Author: Ivory Area the cheapest fuking shit you can find, god damn what the fuk do you need to do on the computer you fucking idiot? All you do is type some shit up, send some emails, and watch youporn so wtf you need $1000 computer for? buy the cheapest shit on slickdeals and be done with it
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:07 PM Author: Stimulating Chapel Get a Lenovo or Asus (NOT ACER). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042761) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:10 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria The OP is right. IBM parts come from China too now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14042788) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:56 PM Author: Stimulating Chapel What? Where do you think Apple components are from?
Almost everything is manufactured in China these days. Both Lenovo and Apple use the same hard drives, motherboards, etc. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:03 PM Author: Umber Offensive Trailer Park Get the bottom of the line Macbook Pro (skip the Whitebook) w/ uni discount.
RE: Applecare --- don't buy it at the store. Purchase online from eBay and you can save a 20-30% on it. |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:13 PM Author: Lake cruise ship I got a MacBook Pro (cheapest one) three years ago. Before that, I worked with Macs for about a year at a job before LS after being a DOS/Windows guy for my entire life (started using computers when I was 3 years old). Never fucking looked back; Macs are so much better and worth the $$. There are a lot of extremely minor things that aren't even worth listing but, when summed up, make it a better user experience. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:04 PM Author: Honey-headed native friendly grandma Completely agree, good poast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14060543) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:20 PM Author: Primrose passionate useless brakes public bath get the cheapest macbook pro, better than shitty dell or hp products
and if you ever need a windows specific app, you can install bootcamp or virtualbox |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:30 PM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria I was thinking of getting this instead of the macbook pro:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/21/apple-quietly-updates-999-white-macbook-with-unibody-specs/ |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:32 PM Author: Ivory Area for 1K you could get a pc laptop with 8 gigs ram and atleast 500 gig hard drive
specs probably don't mean shit to a hipster like you tho |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:36 PM Author: frozen yarmulke i'd bump the memory after buying it to 4 gigs. thats what i have basically. i removed the hdd and put an intel ssd and changed the memory to crucial 4 gig using newegg parts. made a huge improvement. boots in seconds, extremely responsive with no slowdowns.
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Date: February 7th, 2010 2:31 PM Author: concupiscible blue nowag doctorate i thought macs were for fags, but i bought one and realized that if it's wrong, i don't want to be right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043075) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:02 PM Author: Motley milk if you end up choosing a macbook, i suggest waiting for the upcoming arrandale refresh. what a shame it would be if a faster macbook came out for the same price a month after you purchase. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043635) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 3:08 PM Author: Scarlet brethren base yeah this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14043735) |
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Date: February 7th, 2010 4:00 PM Author: Lime home agreed. macbook 4 real tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14044592) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 9:59 AM Author: Shimmering Soul-stirring International Law Enforcement Agency School Cafeteria When will this be happening? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14053657) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 4:18 PM Author: Motley milk most people think sometime this quarter, most likely in february. there are rumors of macbook pro supplies being constrained, which usually signifies a launch of a new or an updated product, and a small rumor is spreading that they'll be quietly updated tomorrow.
the thing is, most macs are prebuilt before ordering, so users can experience the their new purchase the same day they buy. so if the macbooks pros are refreshed soon, i would wait a week or two and gauge its reception. while this tactic may miss potential long-term problems, short-term issues may be uncovered, and there are enough people who will benchmark it and test it so that you get a good idea of its capabilities and limitations, so it's still worthwhile to wait.
i don't know if the regular macbook will be refreshed soon or later this year. core 2 duo technology has run its course, and it is unlikely it'll stay in the macbook for long. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 4:22 PM Author: Fishy exciting pisswyrm i've had my macbook pro since june and have no complaints. they're well made, mine hasn't given me any issues and i had my old powerbook for 5 years without any problems (besides me doing dumb shit like dropping it and fucking up the dvd drive). much better user experience than windows, i won't be switching back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14056213) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 4:24 PM Author: amber high-end macaca macs are great. don't spill anything on it though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14056237) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 4:26 PM Author: Nighttime internet-worthy quadroon i've been tempted but i think a pimped out t-series lenovo is the way to go.
btw lenovo customer service PWNS applecare. on-site is fucking awesome. you can call them with any type of trivial problem, e.g. a couple dead pixels on your screen or a stuck "PgUp" key, and they will send a dood to your place the following day to fix it. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:29 PM Author: Indecent Cumskin Hairy Legs no get a $500 dell laptop
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Date: February 8th, 2010 11:09 PM Author: Hairraiser Pearl Pistol Mother yes. get the AppleCare warranty, which is $99 for 3 years and covers everything. shit breaks. get a student discount, which if you don't look old is as easy as going down to the local university's bookstore and buying it. understand you're paying extra just to run OS X, but imo it's worth it (others disagree). don't go any higher than the base model, and upgrade the ram after you get it. $50 gets you an extra gig, double the ram (you have to order 2GB, because it comes with two 512mb sticks). simple to pop in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1215013&forum_id=2#14060609) |