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WSJ: Thinking of Moving to 2nd Tier City Suburbs? You're Too Late

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I WFH, so I actually avoid this. Now that I do I'm actually...
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Jew or Azn? Single-family homes are obviously tcr.
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"Millennials priced out of popular big cities are flock...
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"Father Donald Staib began his work in 1961, when it wa...
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There are areas in NYC 30 minutes from midtown that aren't g...
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30 minutes? Try 15. Much of Harlem still isn't.
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Much of Harlem is hitting the price range where suburbs beco...
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For sure. It is cheap for MFH, not cheap if you're looking ...
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people want to live in nice areas and not near foreigners
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Fair Lawn, NJ is neither and 30 minutes from Penn Station.
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all of NJ is filled with undesirables.
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Let's just branch it out and say "all of the NYC-metro ...
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nah farther than that because all the WFH shitfucks are leav...
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Do you know how huge the metro area actually is? https://en...
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yeah but you have to deal with Penn Station
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As opposed to the awesomeness of NYC subway stations?
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I work in a megacorp HQ in NJ and I drive in. I never commu...
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young families, eh?
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That line alone proves it isn’t white people
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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:19 AM
Author: racy azn

Tana Malerba moved from Long Island in New York 20 years ago to get away from congestion. These days, she waits an hour to leave her office in Raleigh because of traffic. If she leaves at 6:30 p.m., she gets home around the same time as leaving at 5:30 p.m. “Long term, we’re not going to stay,” she said. “It’s like being back in New York.”

American Suburbs Swell Again as a New Generation Escapes the City

Rising urban housing costs have sped an exodus of residents, causing strains in ‘Millennial Mayberry’

APEX, N.C.—This Raleigh, N.C., suburb was declared the best place to live in America by a national magazine in 2015, around the time Lindsay and Terry Mahaffey were drawn by its schools, affordable housing and quaint downtown.

The couple found a sprawling five-bedroom house next to a horse farm for $782,000, half the cost they would have paid in the Seattle suburb they left behind.

Many other families had the same idea. Apex, nicknamed the Millennial Mayberry, is the fastest-growing suburb in the U.S., according to Realtor.com, and the town is struggling to keep pace with all the newcomers.

When Mr. and Mrs. Mahaffey took their eldest daughter for the first day of kindergarten, school officials told them they didn’t have a seat. Too many kids, they said. On weekends, the family thinks twice about going downtown—not enough parking. And the horse farm next door was sold for a subdivision.

The couple, like generations before them, soon took an active role in trying to shape their new hometown.

In an echo of the postwar baby boom, many U.S. suburbs are again suffering growing pains: not enough schools, too much traffic for two-lane roads, and scenic farmland plowed under for housing tracts.

After several years of surging urban growth, Apex and suburbs like it now account for 14 of the 15 fastest-growing U.S. cities with populations over 50,000, according to the census.

Millennials priced out of popular big cities are flocking to Frisco, Texas, Nolensville, Tenn., Lakewood Ranch, Fla. and Scottdale, Ga.—not exactly household names but among the fastest-growing destinations in the U.S.

“The back-to-the-city trend has reversed,” said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, citing last year’s census data.

Millennials, the generation now ages 23 to 38, are no longer as rooted as they were after the economic downturn. Many are belatedly getting married and heading to the suburbs, just as their parents and grandparents did.

What is different from the postwar boom of 1950s and 1960s is that growth is far more selective—limited to suburbs blessed by good weather and good jobs, largely in the Sunbelt, where they are growing more than twice as fast as their neighboring cities, Mr. Frey said.

Nearly all the hot suburban locales have the good fortune to be a commute away from thriving cities or outposts of successful corporate businesses.

That means for every Apex, there is a Shaker Heights, Ohio, which is shrinking along with Cleveland’s manufacturing-based economy. For every Huntersville and Cornelius, two booming suburbs outside Charlotte, N.C., there is a Glendale, Mo., which is hobbled by the loss of such St. Louis corporate anchors as Anheuser-Busch. For every Kissimmee, Fla., outside Orlando, there’s an Evanston, Ill., which is shedding population in tandem with Chicago.

In the early 2010s, after the financial crisis walloped the housing market, average growth rates in cities with populations greater than 250,000 outpaced the suburbs. But over the past five years, the average annual growth in America’s big cities has slowed by 40%, to 0.69%, according to census estimates.

Apex officials are learning what happens when too many people share the same dream. The town has grown 54% since 2010 to 57,000 people, officials estimate, and could top 100,000 in a decade. More than 11,000 new houses are either planned or under construction.

The flow of newcomers has outstripped the ability of Apex to accommodate them, triggering tax increases and traffic jams. Schools stagger start times from 7:10 a.m. to 9:15 a.m., to give time for buses to ferry all the students.

“It’s great that people want to move here,” said Ms. Mahaffey, 36 years old. “We’ve just got to do it in a way that eases the frustration.”

Good living

America’s move to the suburbs began after World War II, when returning veterans sparked the market for new homes. Growth continued for decades, aided by more cars, better jobs and new interstate highways.

The suburban areas surrounding the 50 largest metropolitan areas make up 79% of the population of those areas, according to a 2016 study by the Urban Land Institute’s Terwilliger Center for Housing.

The financial crisis and subsequent recession stalled suburban growth, but that may prove to be just a bump in the road. The shortage of affordable housing in and around big cities is driving some people to fast-growing suburbs.

Farther out in the exurbs—loosely defined as outlying counties of large metropolitan areas—single-family construction permits rose 1.6% in the first quarter of 2019, compared with a year earlier. In the most-populated metropolitan areas, single-family construction declined, according to the National Association of Home Builders.

Phoenix last year had a growth rate of 1.5%. The population of Buckeye, Ariz., 30 miles away, expanded by 8.5% last year to 74,000 people.

In Apex, about 15 miles from Raleigh, the trouble is finding space for everyone. New schools are over capacity on the day they open. Families who arrive after a campus is full must send their children by bus to schools farther away.

Traffic jams belie the town motto: “The peak of good living.” Narrow roads fill with commuters headed to tech jobs at Cisco Systems and IBM in the nearby Research Triangle Park, or to Epic Games, the maker of Fortnite, in neighboring Cary, N.C. Others make the drive to Citrix and Red Hat in downtown Raleigh. Evening commutes are just as bad.

Tana Malerba moved from Long Island in New York 20 years ago to get away from congestion. These days, she waits an hour to leave her office in Raleigh because of traffic. If she leaves at 6:30 p.m., she gets home around the same time as leaving at 5:30 p.m. “Long term, we’re not going to stay,” she said. “It’s like being back in New York.”

The state Department of Transportation said it needed to delay many road-widening projects because of escalating land costs and a long priority list. The project at the top of the list in Apex likely won’t start work until 2024 or later.

“Everybody says the same thing,” said Apex Mayor Lance Olive, who grew up in town. “ ‘I love it here, but I can’t turn left out of my neighborhood.’ ”

Mr. Olive, 55, a Republican who was elected mayor in 2015 and runs a circuit-board design business, said growth has become the only political issue in Apex. The town council feels pressure from some residents and political challengers to better manage local development.

Unlike such fast-growing states as Florida, North Carolina doesn’t typically have fees that require new housing projects to offset the increased costs for schools and other public services. In Apex, the Wake County Public School System operates independently of the town.

That means the town council doesn’t take into account local school capacity when reviewing new housing proposals. The school system solicits planning data each year from area municipalities to update its own plans for new schools.

To add available seats, a fifth of the schools in the Wake County school system operate on a year-round calendar.

The newest schools to open are Apex Friendship Middle School, which opened last fall, and the adjoining Apex Friendship High School, which graduated its first class in June. Both are already exceeded capacity. The high school is adding a trailer with six classrooms this summer.

In 2016, a year after Ms. Manaffey and her family moved to Apex, she won a seat on the Wake County school board. She has since pushed to speed up school construction in Apex and neighboring suburbs.

Ms. Manaffey also sought better pay for school-bus drivers to alleviate a shortage. She encouraged her mother-in-law, who moved to Apex from Buffalo, N.Y., to drive a bus.

Mr. Mahaffey, a 39-year-old Microsoft software engineer, is a regular at planning-board meetings and created the Facebook page, Citizens for the Responsible Growth of Apex. He believes the town should designate land for new schools in its long-range plan before all the large parcels are taken.

“I feel like we’re running out of time,” he said. “Once it’s developed, it’s developed.”

Getting discovered

Apex was originally a water stop for steam trains headed east toward Raleigh. It was incorporated in 1873 with roughly 200 people. By the town’s centennial, the population had reached 2,200, many of them tobacco farmers.

Mayor Olive recalled joining a dozen kids on bikes in the 1973 Fourth of July parade. He knew all of them. Last summer, he stopped counting at 400 children, he said: “I couldn’t believe it. It was 2½ blocks of bicycles to ride the two blocks.”

Apex began to add people leaving Raleigh in the 1990s. A decade ago, it was largely shielded from the economic downturn by the region’s employment base in state government, nearby universities and the 50,000 tech jobs at Research Triangle Park, among the largest research office parks in the U.S.

The town’s population boom coincided with two events. In 2012, the state Transportation Department opened North Carolina’s first toll road. For $3, commuters could slash their drive time from Apex to the Research Triangle Park on a new six-lane freeway. And in 2015, Apex was named America’s best place to live by Money magazine.

Median household income these days is $100,000, twice that of North Carolina’s. More than 61% of the Apex population has a bachelor’s degree or higher, twice the state average

Janett and Vincent Cueto moved here with their two daughters from Miami Beach in June 2016. They said they were charmed by the town’s small-town feel while visiting friends at Thanksgiving.

The Cuetos, who were both Wake County schoolteachers, had different work times and so did their daughters because of the district’s staggered school schedules. That led to a chaotic regimen of carpools and before-and-after-school care. Planning family vacations was impossible.

The couple got the idea to open a day camp for students on break from year-round schools. They rented a 4,000 square-foot space in a little-used office building on the outskirts of downtown. Their first classes for middle-school students began in late June.

“We’ve been able to make our dreams come true and that would have never happened in Miami,” said Mr. Cueto, 41.

Father Donald Staib began his work in 1961, when it was common for a priest to drive from Raleigh to Apex to administer Holy Communion to the town’s handful of Catholics. There are now three Catholic churches in Apex, including his own, St. Mary Magdalene, which hosts more than 2,000 people for weekend services.

The congregation is dominated by young families, Fr. Staib said. The number of older adults is growing with the addition of grandparents who followed their grown children to Apex from the Midwest and Northeast.

Fr. Staib feels a little guilty about the pace of growth in Apex, he said, when churches struggle in places like his hometown of Williamsport, Penn.

For his parish’s new $14 million sanctuary, it moved eight stained-glass window panels from two closed churches in upstate New York. “I didn’t do anything to get this,” Fr. Staib said. “It’s demographics.”

Write to Valerie Bauerlein at valerie.bauerlein@wsj.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468144)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:20 AM
Author: nighttime at-the-ready lodge

"This Raleigh, N.C., suburb was declared the best place to live in America by a national magazine in 2015"

this is when you know you it's time to leave

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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:21 AM
Author: vivacious box office



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:24 AM
Author: aphrodisiac amethyst crackhouse



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:26 AM
Author: Geriatric School



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:06 PM
Author: slate temple



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Date: January 19th, 2021 9:05 PM
Author: Histrionic Shaky Old Irish Cottage



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Date: January 19th, 2021 9:45 PM
Author: self-absorbed brunch

Journalists = locusts

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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:23 AM
Author: Comical orange idea he suggested

if we import more spics that will solve the overcrowding

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Date: July 1st, 2019 12:58 PM
Author: Mint bawdyhouse codepig



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:12 PM
Author: Insecure meetinghouse



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:47 PM
Author: Sapphire field



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:24 AM
Author: aphrodisiac amethyst crackhouse

Divine intervention is required to save the West at this point

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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:27 AM
Author: Geriatric School

Blame ridiculous people that hate WFH for clogging the roads for commutes to open offices.

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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:28 AM
Author: aphrodisiac amethyst crackhouse



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:31 AM
Author: mustard stimulating incel



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:36 AM
Author: Comical orange idea he suggested



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:38 AM
Author: massive public bath pistol

Of course tmf targets whatever his pet peeve is at the moment given his current station in life.

No I think I'll blame the fact that there are 150 million more people in the coubtry than is preferable because we rely on cheap third world immigrants to power our economy

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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:51 AM
Author: Comical orange idea he suggested

holy shit - cr

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Date: July 1st, 2019 5:00 PM
Author: Geriatric School

3rd world immigrants are mostly not the people sitting in rush hour traffic on the way to the office. They cause a bunch of problems but this isn't one of them.

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Date: July 1st, 2019 9:46 PM
Author: Comical orange idea he suggested

Ok i take it back

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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:12 PM
Author: Insecure meetinghouse



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:47 PM
Author: Geriatric School

I WFH, so I actually avoid this. Now that I do I'm actually MORE MAF because I realize how stupid it is to do anything else. I still come in a day or two a week for meetings but because I'm coming for specific meetings, I'm not sitting in rush hour generally. Why isn't this the norm?

Drive across the country and you'll realize that most of the place is empty. The US is larger than India or China in land mass which have over a billion people each. The problem isn't that we have too many people in too small of space - it is that they're a) in only a few places and b) they all get pushed on the road at a few times, both of which make zero sense in a modern tech economy.

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Date: January 19th, 2021 8:38 PM
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Date: January 19th, 2021 8:42 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

China is fucking huge, we seriously have more land than them? fuck including Alaska that shit doesn't count.

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Date: January 19th, 2021 8:48 PM
Author: floppy abode

And we have shit mass transit and shit culture that prevents us from building/maintaining 180 mass transit.

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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:30 AM
Author: Narrow-minded alcoholic cruise ship

what we need is more thingle family hometh, lisped GOY SPASTIC

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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:31 AM
Author: Geriatric School

Jew or Azn? Single-family homes are obviously tcr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468187)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:41 AM
Author: vivacious box office

"Millennials priced out of popular big cities are flocking to Frisco, Texas, Nolensville, Tenn., Lakewood Ranch, Fla. and Scottdale, Ga.—not exactly household names but among the fastest-growing destinations in the U.S.

“The back-to-the-city trend has reversed,” said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, citing last year’s census data.

Farther out in the exurbs—loosely defined as outlying counties of large metropolitan areas—single-family construction permits rose 1.6% in the first quarter of 2019, compared with a year earlier. In the most-populated metropolitan areas, single-family construction declined, according to the National Association of Home Builders."

the article in this poast supports my position, not yours

young people moving out of the big cities is a GOOD thing. it is GOOD to keep single-family zoning in big cities in order to limit population growth and concentration of socioeconomic power, forcing people to move out of the concentration of urban degeneracy and evil and into homogeneous, healthy communities where they can actually raise children in their own homes

the worldview of you GC bugmen urban-worshiping eloi faggots is directly opposed to what is good and healthy for society

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468230)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:42 AM
Author: vivacious box office

"Father Donald Staib began his work in 1961, when it was common for a priest to drive from Raleigh to Apex to administer Holy Communion to the town’s handful of Catholics. There are now three Catholic churches in Apex, including his own, St. Mary Magdalene, which hosts more than 2,000 people for weekend services.

The congregation is dominated by young families, Fr. Staib said."

huh, wonder why sniveling kikes like the above guy are upset at these changes

odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468235)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:16 PM
Author: Cowardly stage alpha

you are an idiot on this topic man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468590)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:05 PM
Author: vivacious box office

great argument dude, very convincing stuff

enjoy your shitbox apartment, nigger criminals, and your illiterate brown slaves bringing you "grubhub" slop and chinese trinkets off amazon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468762)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:30 AM
Author: wonderful nofapping space

There are areas in NYC 30 minutes from midtown that aren't gentrified yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468186)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:31 AM
Author: Geriatric School

30 minutes? Try 15. Much of Harlem still isn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468189)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:35 AM
Author: wonderful nofapping space

Much of Harlem is hitting the price range where suburbs become a reasonable option though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468207)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:51 PM
Author: Geriatric School

For sure. It is cheap for MFH, not cheap if you're looking in general, unless you get a rent-stabilized apartment. We know a bunch of people there in rent-stabilized apartments for under $1500/month and right near Central Park.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469484)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:27 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

people want to live in nice areas and not near foreigners

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468627)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:43 PM
Author: galvanic fiercely-loyal patrolman

Fair Lawn, NJ is neither and 30 minutes from Penn Station.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468666)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:33 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

all of NJ is filled with undesirables.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468878)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:49 PM
Author: Geriatric School

Let's just branch it out and say "all of the NYC-metro area."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469479)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:50 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

nah farther than that because all the WFH shitfucks are leaving

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469482)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:52 PM
Author: Geriatric School

Do you know how huge the metro area actually is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area

But yeah, you might just hate the entire Northeast, coasts, and everywhere not Montana/Idaho/whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469488)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:06 PM
Author: stirring rough-skinned stead hunting ground

yeah but you have to deal with Penn Station

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469040)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:49 PM
Author: Geriatric School

As opposed to the awesomeness of NYC subway stations?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469477)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 10:16 PM
Author: stirring rough-skinned stead hunting ground

Penn Station is like all subway stations taken together and amplified. I know that’s where you commute now so it must be so much better than every other alternative, but it’s objectively hell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471147)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 10:31 PM
Author: Geriatric School

I work in a megacorp HQ in NJ and I drive in. I never commute via Penn Station. The last time I went there I met some family in NYC. Commuter rail to Penn Station was 1000x better than subway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471243)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:48 PM
Author: Geriatric School

Have you been to Fair Lawn? It is like 30% Russian immigrants, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469471)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:37 AM
Author: autistic therapy

"Father Donald Staib began his work in 1961, when it was common for a priest to drive from Raleigh to Apex to administer Holy Communion to the town’s handful of Catholics. There are now three Catholic churches in Apex, including his own, St. Mary Magdalene, which hosts more than 2,000 people for weekend services.

The congregation is dominated by young families, Fr. Staib said. The number of older adults is growing with the addition of grandparents who followed their grown children to Apex from the Midwest and Northeast."

Something tells me this huge influx of Catholics isn't just due to Millennials working in tech moving there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468217)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:00 PM
Author: talented scarlet preventive strike lettuce

Polacks u think or what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468554)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:08 PM
Author: Mint bawdyhouse codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468572)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:04 PM
Author: Comical orange idea he suggested

young families, eh?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468563)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:06 PM
Author: talented scarlet preventive strike lettuce

That line alone proves it isn’t white people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468567)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:21 PM
Author: curious hairless generalized bond senate

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468612)



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Date: July 2nd, 2019 11:43 PM
Author: razzle corner

Millennial tech workers are known for their religiosity and large families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38476632)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:40 AM
Author: vivacious box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468227)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 11:43 AM
Author: 180 awkward degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468240)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:10 PM
Author: hilarious milk kitchen

Almost $800k for a 5br house and commuting an hour each way sounds terrible. I thought the whole point of this was to dramatically reduce spending and improve lifestyle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468576)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:26 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

i mean you are like the stupidest most pompous piece of literal human shit to ever poast on this shithole board back when everyone was a stupid pompous piece of shit back in 2005. no one cares about your dumbass self important opinions.

enjoy having you mom sleep in your garage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468625)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:07 PM
Author: self-absorbed brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468769)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:03 PM
Author: arousing bisexual gas station

terrible post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469013)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:08 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

wow holy shit you totally just didn't out yourself as yet another of nutellas stupid fucking alt accounts!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469055)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:11 PM
Author: Mint bawdyhouse codepig

All of these places are in the shithole south, too. Shitty weather and hideous people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468578)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:14 PM
Author: naked parlour

its all 'young families' seeking out nice weather in the 'sunbelt'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468586)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:45 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Laser Beams Double Fault

Thank god they haven't caught onto Boise yet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468678)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:49 PM
Author: naked parlour

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/idahopress.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/a6/da6a0ff9-b116-53c3-9e73-1f7bb24cee86/5b19bf8fc5f26.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C805

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468691)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 7:30 PM
Author: Excitant arrogant dog poop stock car

He lisped, as he shivered through a horrendous NYC winter and a sweltering iron jungle summer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38470094)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:22 PM
Author: Aquamarine Boltzmann Doctorate

The idea of moving to a nasty humid shithole full of Blacks like Raleigh is full on insane to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468620)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:46 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Laser Beams Double Fault

There are nice places to live in the Western half of the US....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468682)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:23 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

my area is overrun by idiot nyc transplants. it's funny but jfc they all suck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468622)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:29 PM
Author: Adventurous Dopamine

EVERYBODY DANCE NOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468629)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:39 PM
Author: Hideous resort

The US sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468653)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:49 PM
Author: exciting church building twinkling uncleanness

Thinking of attending law school for under $100k per year? You're too late.

Thinking of making partner at a law firm? You're too late.

Thinking of enjoying a relaxing weekday evening with friends or family without work interruptions? You're too late.

Thinking of seeing your kids get into good colleges? You're too late.

Thinking of enjoying a quiet hike in a peaceful national park? You're too late.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468692)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 1:51 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Laser Beams Double Fault

we just need a one child policy and immigration restriction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468696)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:05 PM
Author: Alcoholic elite skinny woman site

good poast. #3 just sucks - even just 1-2 weeknights/week where we could unplug at 7 pm (and not be expected to log back on at 10 pm) would be wonderful. Years of this on end is so draining. We weren't meant to live like this, and our fathers didn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468763)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:10 PM
Author: mustard stimulating incel

You need to go inhouse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468779)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:15 PM
Author: Alcoholic elite skinny woman site

I'm open to it and looking a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468800)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:17 PM
Author: exciting church building twinkling uncleanness

Virtually no one wants to trade emails in the evening and almost everyone recognizes that it's needless and doesn't add value over taking care of the task the next day. And yet everyone pretends they're on board, suffers in silence, and keeps kicking the can down the road.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468804)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:43 PM
Author: Alcoholic elite skinny woman site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468918)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 10:22 PM
Author: talented scarlet preventive strike lettuce



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471193)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:29 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

you either do or want to molest little girls. no one cares what your pedophile ass has to say about anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468857)



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Date: July 2nd, 2019 2:30 AM
Author: 180 awkward degenerate

You chose to live and work in a city and practice area with terrible hours . You could have easily copped in house M&T Buffalo 9-4:30 if you weren't such a chinkfucking faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471939)



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Date: July 2nd, 2019 2:39 AM
Author: Alcoholic elite skinny woman site

Almost as if you understand things better in your late 30s than when you were 17, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471948)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 9:43 PM
Author: Copper mood



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38470916)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:19 PM
Author: Glassy puppy headpube

Why are dumbass millennials flocking to the South? The weather sucks and there are blacks there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468811)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:10 PM
Author: Aquamarine Boltzmann Doctorate

They are poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469064)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 5:44 PM
Author: flirting cuckold location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469671)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 2:20 PM
Author: mind-boggling partner ape

“hat means for every Apex, there is a Shaker Heights, Ohio, which is shrinking along with Cleveland’s manufacturing-based economy.”

Shots fired. Fuck this author.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38468816)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:29 PM
Author: dashing plaza mediation

if you drive into nashville now, there are new housing developments springing up 30 damn miles from downtown. it's a mess out there. and it's all shabby, generic bloblike sprawl that could have been cut-and-paste from anywhere else in this declining empire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469161)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:30 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

wow holy shit you sound like your so much better than the typical american suburban dweller!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469170)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:34 PM
Author: Aquamarine Boltzmann Doctorate

This pumo is MAF in every thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469179)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:35 PM
Author: indecent sable home

it's WLMAS' new pumo account

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469187)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 4:59 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

wow holy shit watch out!!! detective dipshit is on the case!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469505)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 10:23 PM
Author: Bonkers wild pit mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471201)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: Disgusting Bearded Spot Really Tough Guy

why thank you friend; i certainly think so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469208)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 5:23 PM
Author: lavender heady liquid oxygen coffee pot

782Kin Raleigh? Lololol must have been on 40 acres

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469602)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 6:54 PM
Author: Disgusting Bearded Spot Really Tough Guy

desirable areas of the raleigh/charlotte regions are getting expensive. the new frontier for developers is the piedmont triad. raleigh prices of a few years ago = winston-salem prices today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469979)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 6:58 PM
Author: Laughsome center haunted graveyard

The (((WSJ))) ran a story like 10 years ago 'debunking' the idea of 'overpopulation' in the US, which argued we should eventually have like 800M ppl in the US (economic 'growth', you see), and have them live in EFFICIENT CITIES, rather than wasteful, quiet, private suburbs!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38469998)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 10:35 PM
Author: Sticky pea-brained party of the first part people who are hurt

This is why I live in a town that’s 80% protected forest land with no chance of a strip mall being built next door

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471265)



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Date: July 1st, 2019 10:36 PM
Author: Bateful olive potus deer antler

lol if you think a white-minority US will give a shit about "protected forest land"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38471271)



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Date: July 2nd, 2019 4:50 PM
Author: Geriatric School

Your wooded "white spaces" are racist. And it is time to move black and brown bodies into those spaces. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38474597)



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Date: July 3rd, 2019 1:02 AM
Author: mind-boggling partner ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38476837)



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Date: July 3rd, 2019 1:52 AM
Author: curious hairless generalized bond senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38476935)



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Date: July 2nd, 2019 2:24 PM
Author: electric obsidian ticket booth water buffalo

odds that they all continue to vote Democrat and turn states purple?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38473658)



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Date: August 11th, 2019 7:06 PM
Author: racy azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#38671884)



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Date: January 19th, 2021 8:45 PM
Author: up-to-no-good diverse property

worst part of this is we're seeing these dipshits insisting on moving only to cool places like Raleigh or Denver or Austin or Nashville or even fucking Boise. It's just going to be a race to the bottom as more and more cities try to outshitlib each other in order to attract faggots to buy up their shitty housing stock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#41786698)



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Date: January 19th, 2021 8:59 PM
Author: electric obsidian ticket booth water buffalo

wonder how it's gonna go

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4368882

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4293921&forum_id=2#41786826)