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Is the commerce clause being interpreted as it was intended?

Would this country be in better financial shape if it were?
Razzle-dazzle Associate
  07/01/09
obviously not; no (less obviously).
high-end market
  07/01/09
we need the commerce clause to be a general police power so ...
Razzmatazz theater
  07/01/09
no. it was clearly intended to cover gun sales on school gr...
Charcoal charismatic private investor
  07/01/09
gun possession fag
Wine orchestra pit
  07/01/09
No it is not, and yes parts (at least my part) of the countr...
Abusive Topaz Kitty Therapy
  07/01/09
"and yes parts (at least my part) of the country would ...
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
Why do you say that?
Abusive Topaz Kitty Therapy
  07/01/09
there are efficiencies that come with uniformity
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
N. Korea is about as uniform as it gets. Check out their eff...
Fear-inspiring pit faggotry
  07/01/09
the more fully national the economy the better in the long r...
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
srsly?
Razzle-dazzle Associate
  07/01/09
of course
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
Seeing as it covers single site restaurants and goods that h...
sickened crackhouse
  07/01/09
titcr. commerce clause = permission for congress to regulat...
excitant hall karate
  07/01/09
Nah dude, there are like, totally limits and stuff. You kn...
Cyan Elite Plaza Haunted Graveyard
  07/01/09
BUT IS IT IN THE AGGREGATE OR NOT? OMFG I CAN'T TAKE THIS MY...
Wine orchestra pit
  07/01/09
No way. No, not better financial shape, but we'd be better ...
Cyan Elite Plaza Haunted Graveyard
  07/01/09
Lulz. No. And I've never heard someone seriously claim t...
Autistic dilemma incel
  07/01/09
What do liberals have to say about this? And I'm not joking ...
Razzle-dazzle Associate
  07/01/09
if the founders were as stupid and inflexible as you take th...
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
The founders created a method for amending the Constitution....
sickened crackhouse
  07/01/09
nah i'd rather live with the rules we make by majority vote....
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
if you want to just live by majority rule, why bother having...
pearly mischievous gunner cuckoldry
  07/01/09
You don't understand. The main purpose of the Constitution i...
heady fortuitous meteor
  07/01/09
I didn't say I agree. I was just curious if that was the ori...
Razzle-dazzle Associate
  07/01/09
the folks around at the time likely didn't contemplate feder...
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
WTF is the relationship between for first and second sentenc...
Autistic dilemma incel
  07/01/09
reasonably clear
sable feces windowlicker
  07/01/09
I don't think this is an excuse for ignoring the document t...
disrespectful theater stage
  07/01/09
social security, medicare, and most government agencies are ...
pearly mischievous gunner cuckoldry
  07/01/09
titcr
Useless ebony athletic conference
  07/01/09
I thought SS/medicare were general welfare.
sticky sienna factory reset button brunch
  07/01/09
lol
navy disgusting site
  07/01/09
no way to know dooder
Floppy trust fund university
  07/01/09
Enjoy! http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/US...
Crimson police squad boiling water
  07/01/09


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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:11 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Associate

Would this country be in better financial shape if it were?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130018)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:12 AM
Author: high-end market

obviously not; no (less obviously).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130031)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:12 AM
Author: Razzmatazz theater

we need the commerce clause to be a general police power so liberals can write really long fucking articles in their fancy schmancy law reviews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130033)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:13 AM
Author: Charcoal charismatic private investor

no. it was clearly intended to cover gun sales on school grounds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130039)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 2:45 AM
Author: Wine orchestra pit

gun possession fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130853)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:15 AM
Author: Abusive Topaz Kitty Therapy

No it is not, and yes parts (at least my part) of the country would be in better shape.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130059)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:17 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

"and yes parts (at least my part) of the country would be in better shape."

doubtful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130082)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:41 AM
Author: Abusive Topaz Kitty Therapy

Why do you say that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130365)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:42 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

there are efficiencies that come with uniformity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130370)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:12 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring pit faggotry

N. Korea is about as uniform as it gets. Check out their efficiency

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132062)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:14 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

the more fully national the economy the better in the long run i'd think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130046)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:16 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Associate

srsly?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130070)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:16 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130075)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:17 AM
Author: sickened crackhouse

Seeing as it covers single site restaurants and goods that have never crossed state lines, I'd say the interpretation is pretty fucked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130091)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:25 AM
Author: excitant hall karate

titcr. commerce clause = permission for congress to regulate anything they want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130184)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:27 AM
Author: Cyan Elite Plaza Haunted Graveyard

Nah dude, there are like, totally limits and stuff. You know...like, it's got to have substantial effects or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130205)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 2:46 AM
Author: Wine orchestra pit

BUT IS IT IN THE AGGREGATE OR NOT? OMFG I CAN'T TAKE THIS MY BRAIN SPLODES "splatter"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130857)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:25 AM
Author: Cyan Elite Plaza Haunted Graveyard

No way. No, not better financial shape, but we'd be better off overall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130180)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:36 AM
Author: Autistic dilemma incel

Lulz. No.

And I've never heard someone seriously claim that it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130311)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:39 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Associate

What do liberals have to say about this? And I'm not joking

EDIT: I'm not too sure, but wouldn't social security, medicare, most government agencies etc. be unconstitutional under the original meaning? Not that this would necessarily be bad, just wondering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130347)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:41 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

if the founders were as stupid and inflexible as you take them to be we'd have no reason to heed their words

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130359)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:44 AM
Author: sickened crackhouse

The founders created a method for amending the Constitution. This is preferable to congressional usurpation that gets rubber stamped by judicial fiat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130388)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:45 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

nah i'd rather live with the rules we make by majority vote. but in any event not clear that the founders were as dumb as you take them to be--of course those debates should be merely academic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130401)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:07 PM
Author: pearly mischievous gunner cuckoldry

if you want to just live by majority rule, why bother having a constitution at all?

the founders definitely contemplated that the constitution would undergo significant change. I just think they expected the change to be done through open, legal, and democratic means rather than backdoor deals and regulatory creep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132032)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:46 PM
Author: heady fortuitous meteor

You don't understand. The main purpose of the Constitution is not to set a foundation for limited government. The main purpose of the Constitution is that we can use it as a source for dreaming up endless whiny individual rights in order to justify MORE government power, not less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132414)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:46 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Associate

I didn't say I agree. I was just curious if that was the original understanding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130407)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 1:49 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

the folks around at the time likely didn't contemplate federal regulation on a contemporary scale. they also likely didn't contemplate anything like a modern economy. perhaps they would've come to different views on what federalism might entail down the line if they had

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130427)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 2:03 AM
Author: Autistic dilemma incel

WTF is the relationship between for first and second sentences? Contrasting? Complementary?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130559)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 2:46 AM
Author: sable feces windowlicker

reasonably clear

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130859)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:11 PM
Author: disrespectful theater stage

I don't think this is an excuse for ignoring the document they wrote and calling yourself loyal to it. What liberals have done is push an illegal agenda using majroity vote.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132053)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:06 PM
Author: pearly mischievous gunner cuckoldry

social security, medicare, and most government agencies are really just spending programs, not regulation of commerce. They don't rely upon the commerce clause for their authority, but rather upon Congress's power to "lay and collect taxes [and spend them] to provide for the general welfare."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132021)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:13 PM
Author: Useless ebony athletic conference

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132068)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:36 PM
Author: sticky sienna factory reset button brunch

I thought SS/medicare were general welfare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132320)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 3:02 AM
Author: navy disgusting site

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12130907)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:13 PM
Author: Floppy trust fund university

no way to know dooder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132072)



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Date: July 1st, 2009 12:43 PM
Author: Crimson police squad boiling water

Enjoy!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0514_0549_ZC1.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031228&forum_id=2#12132389)