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Met a teacher today who makes 75,000....
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:36 PM Author: Wonderful abode summers off, lives in battery park, owns car, Title I school with 8 kids in her class, unbelievably strong union, benefits, tons of other vacation. She will be making 90,000-100,000 eventually for being a glorified babysitter (even she admits that's what she is).
I seriously was thinking of killing self. |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:37 PM Author: overrated locale how old is she (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138322) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:37 PM Author: Obsidian church building this is comparable to getting partnership at a biglaw firm. most teachers won't come close to this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138324) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:41 PM Author: maroon swollen bawdyhouse kitty cat no, this is status quo in NY, even upstate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138368) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:48 PM Author: lake mind-boggling orchestra pit I can't imagine that teachers in potsdam or geneseo make 75k.
Long Island is probably tcr. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:19 AM Author: low-t french chef trailer park Upstate NY teachers are probably the most overpaid. It is extremely difficult to get a job at an upstate school because they get paid highly despite being in economically depressed regions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138762) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:17 AM Author: Wonderful abode It is status quo, correct. There is a strict payscale and a teacher is paid according to the payscale. Yes you need to do silly continuing education seminars (i.e. how to pop a video of dora the explorer into the VCR, etc...). In fact it is far more rigid than the "lockstep" arrangements you have at law firms (which can be adjusted in an economic downturn). During the summer you can engage in more high risk endeavours like starting up a business or what not. But the choice is yours. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:18 AM Author: Wonderful abode My teacher friend knows what she will make in year X or Y according to the lockstep payscale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138740) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:46 PM Author: Federal Property Water Buffalo At my high school in upstate NY, the local paper did a special on all the teacher's salaries.
One guy was making over 100, about 12 were making over 90, and probably 50 were making over 75. No joke. I'll search for the link if someone doesn't believe me. One of the teachers making over 90 is a gym teacher.
This is teachers mind you, not principals or superintendents. For 100 percent job security, easy hours, full benefits, to work 180 days a year.
And liberals bitch about teachers not being paid enough... |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 6:24 PM Author: Twisted Crackhouse It depends on where you are. My mom is a teacher in TX, and in my hometown, lockstep teacher salary never gets you over about 55K/yr. Starting is like 35K/yr.
Seriously, I've thought about teaching advanced math courses at a high school in a nice city in TX with my preftigious (according to XOXO anyway) math degree.
I'm smart enough that I could figure out some small business to grow during the summer. Maybe even get it large enough to quit teaching and build the company into something meaningful. All it takes is a good idea and not be a dumb. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:37 PM Author: erotic national blood rage Yeah, just like making partner
you can never be fired for performance you never have to work harder than the worst 5% you have to show up to work for 10 years, and that's about it |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:13 AM Author: Insane flickering native rigpig Meanwhile, we're funding every student in our public system $20k each year. The American education system is the biggest joke in he world. It's the most well-funded system by far but produces results that third world countries scoff at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139284) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:23 PM Author: Topaz range thats because, you idiot, almost all of our children go to school. Only like 15-20% of theirs do. The ones that do are rich and dont need their children to help farm rice. Thus their kids perform awesome, and skew the scores.
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 6:25 PM Author: Twisted Crackhouse Japan hates to break the news to you, but... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12143656) |
Date: July 1st, 2009 11:37 PM Author: Odious buck-toothed macaca god, i would kill to have 75,000 summers off... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138328) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:38 PM Author: multi-colored shitlib stage tell her your vault firm rank and she will be impressed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138332) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:51 PM Author: provocative ocher whorehouse BAAAAAAAAALLLLLLIIIIIING! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138456) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:52 PM Author: Turquoise excitant sandwich I've never been clear on this. Do teachers REALLY have the summers off? Like, they could play PS3 and drink beer all summer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138464) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:53 PM Author: Pungent Theatre Hissy Fit Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138470) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:53 PM Author: Bull headed bipolar regret they don't do jack shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138472) |
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Date: July 1st, 2009 11:59 PM Author: pearl genital piercing yuppers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138538) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:01 AM Author: Dark Cowardly Legal Warrant Circlehead Yes. They teach at private schools or just travel for the entire fucking summer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138558) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:14 AM Author: Wonderful abode Teacher's unions are also unbelievably powerful. Can you imagine having rock solid job security. Read up on NY rubber rooms. This is absolutely mind boggling. If a teacher's behavior is egregious enough to actually get removed (which has to be very extreme) they spend years in the rubber rooms getting paid a full salary for doing NOTHING!!!!! Can you imagine sitting for years in a room and making 70,000 for absolutely messing up?
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2008/05/04/2008-05-04_teachers_in_trouble_spending _years_in_ru.html
Now some smartass will come and say "demand and supply"... but there is information assymetry here. Teacher's obfuscate the difficulty of their jobs and people aren't aware of just how rock solid teacher job security is.
A valuation of solid job security, summers off, low stress, amazing benefits (mortgage assistance, healthcare, etc...) adds up in my mind to at least 50,000-70,000 a year. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:21 AM Author: chest-beating mother there was literally nothing about this link that I understood. I am calling flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138783) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:29 AM Author: Wonderful abode here are the links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/education/10education.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09302007/news/regionalnews/why_is_the_city_paying_757_peo.htm?page=0
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090622/ap_on_re_us/us_rubber_rooms |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:14 AM Author: charismatic slate forum messiness Yeah but you usually do summer work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138703) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:17 AM Author: Wonderful abode It is entirely optional. This teacher travels around the world and sees places. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138733) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:18 AM Author: charismatic slate forum messiness I don't know how you can do that in your 30s making 75k in NYC but whatever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138749) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:29 AM Author: chest-beating mother aren't you in LA making a fraction of that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12138873) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:44 AM Author: charismatic slate forum messiness I make a little less than that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139050) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:29 AM Author: Wonderful abode Again you need to recalculate for summers off, tons of vacation, job security, etc...
125,000 |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:45 AM Author: charismatic slate forum messiness where does 125k come from (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139055) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:02 AM Author: Wonderful abode factor in summers off (pro-rate it), job security, other perks, etc... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139212) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:04 AM Author: charismatic slate forum messiness i'd kill myself if i were in upstate NY though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139221) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:04 AM Author: Vigorous emerald crotch meetinghouse I got paid $100 to fix a guy's computer once, took 45 minutes. Does that work out to 200k when you factor in everything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139224) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:09 AM Author: Wonderful abode Nice try but teacher's have a yearly guaranteed salary. So 100 dollars per 45 minutes for 9 months of work, job security, other benefits would be gravy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139267) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:38 PM Author: erotic national blood rage yes. anyone who tells you teachers are underpaid is a fucking moron
Teachers are living the high life off of us suckers |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:43 AM Author: Wonderful abode One of the difference between the dumb/poors and us is that we debate objectively the pros and cons of law, biglaw, worklife/balance, etc... To poors/dumbs, they are always oppressed, hard done by. They sit around in government agencies making 50-70,000 for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of difficulty of importance and yet they complain about this or that. Based on productivity smarts they should be making 1/12th what biglaw lawyers make not 1/3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139030) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 12:49 AM Author: Pungent Theatre Hissy Fit For a post calling other people dumb this is pretty incomprehensible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139105) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:08 AM Author: Wonderful abode My poor grammar and fast typing is a manifestation of my anger/envy at teacher's pay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139254) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:13 PM Author: comical fear-inspiring library new version wait, you think teacher's should be paid LESS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142023) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:49 PM Author: Federal Property Water Buffalo Hell yes. At least in upstate NY. No teacher should get paid more than 60K of taxpayer money to work 180 days a year with full job security. Even partners at law firms don't have that benefit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142221) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:51 PM Author: comical fear-inspiring library new version "at least in upstate NY"
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 1:21 AM Author: Cracking frozen church cp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12139324) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:13 PM Author: heady death wish They chose a job that makes 70K and has summers off, and you're calling them dumb? Sounds like they made much smarter decisions than you, dickface. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142022) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 6:28 PM Author: Mint Fragrant Generalized Bond Coffee Pot You sound like you are much dumber than I am. So you should be making less than me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12143676) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:09 PM Author: nubile alpha mad cow disease i poop on this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12141999) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:12 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Cuckold Chapel while that is a very small salary and doctors easily make $300k, since teacher dont need any extra education they actually would make more than i up to the age of 35. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142012) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:12 PM Author: Mildly Autistic Cuckold Chapel even on this poor middle class salary it is possible to spend the summer travelling in europe with a hot russian girl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142014) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:20 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Corn Cake Travel Guidebook teachers do a lot of tedious shit in summer. though it's low-pressure and non-demanding, you'll hate yourself if you are a little ambitious. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:22 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Corn Cake Travel Guidebook by the way, is it true that a lot people with degrees in Education are very dumb and cannot really old an intelligent conversation??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142055) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:26 PM Author: Cerise Swashbuckling Parlor you are ugly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142083) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:28 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Corn Cake Travel Guidebook I know a friend or two who are teachers, and I don't personally find them dumb at all. good personality too.
but the above comment was whatI got from some chatboard like xoxohth.... |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:29 PM Author: Topaz range you guys forget a couple things
1-they have to show up and do shit. We can do our shit from home (sometimes). Everyday
2-they have to deal with children all day.
3-???
(continue to add to this list until I feel better about my life choices) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:34 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Corn Cake Travel Guidebook 3. giving classes (even not the whole day) is much more tiring than sitting in front of the screen doing research and bullshitting on xoxo ... :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142135) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:43 PM Author: indigo hyperactive school come on. it's not like they're up in the front of the class doing socratic. sad to say this, but for non-hs classes, the teacher's job duties, in descending order of importance are--
1. make sure students don't commit intentional torts 2. make sure students don't commit negligent torts 3. instruct one student every paragraph/page/minute to read aloud a paragraph/page of the assigned textbook 4. pop a video into the vcr while ensuring #1 and #2 don't occur
the only exception are math teachers, and even then, prior to hs, it's fairly tedious. teach for half hour once a week and assign dittos with problems the rest of the time. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:40 PM Author: dashing unholy field elastic band "they have to show up and do shit. We can do our shit from home (sometimes)." This is just untrue. They go in to the office under 200 days a year, when you factor in summer, every weekend off, and every minor holiday off. You probably work from home 1/2 day a month. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:42 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Corn Cake Travel Guidebook well, if you think they're overpaid, why don't you teach then? i'm sure you are far more intelligent than the average teacher and won't have problem getting a teaching job.
there are reasons why you chose law .. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:47 PM Author: dashing unholy field elastic band "there are reasons why you chose law ..." There must be, but I'm currently drawing a blank. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:49 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Corn Cake Travel Guidebook go and teach then... if you do like kids it's definitely worth it.
not many teachers do.... |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:50 PM Author: dashing unholy field elastic band Listen I'm not saying being a teacher is some perfect, wonderful job. All jobs have their crappy parts, teachers not least among them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12142233) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:46 PM Author: navy voyeur son of senegal And when there's no good reason at all for them to go in, there aren't principals roaming around the hallways privately seething about all the lazy teachers who didn't come into work.
And they consider having to do any work once they actually do get home to be a bigger affront against them than raping their dog, as evidenced by every teacher who bitches constantly about "grading papers" for half an hour every other week. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:49 PM Author: dashing unholy field elastic band "And they consider having to do any work once they actually do get home to be a bigger affront against them than raping their dog, as evidenced by every teacher who bitches constantly about "grading papers" for half an hour every other week." SO fucking true. My cousin in law started her teaching job about a year after I graduated law school. She started to complain about how much she worked -- "Being a teacher is hard you know, you don't actually leave at 3. I often stay until 4 or 4:30 woking on lesson plans." I all but laughed out loud. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:56 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Corn Cake Travel Guidebook i don't know really ...
a classmates of mine was a junior-high school teacher and he said the morale was so low and so many teachers hate their jobs .... people congrat'ed him for leaving the job and go to law school. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:58 PM Author: navy voyeur son of senegal The morale is low because the pay is generally not very good, respect for teachers in the general community continues to decline, and because I don't doubt that it can be a crappy and unfulfilling environment while you are actually working.
But the morale is most certainly not low because they work too hard. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 2:59 PM Author: dashing unholy field elastic band I'm sure this is true too. Junior high would be the worst to teach, bar none. Many kids that age are awful little people.
this girl teaches young kids. She has the kind of personality that's well-suited for that job. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 4:54 PM Author: translucent station fat ankles Why don't you all stop whining and go become teachers if it's such a great job?
I agree it's easy money for slackers who want to float by in life. i.e. They can come in at 8:30 and leave at 3:30 when the students leave and make good money. On the other hand, there are some teachers who work hard preparing lesson plans and doing what they can to help their students. Unfortunately, both types of teachers get paid the same amount.
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 5:02 PM Author: Pearly kink-friendly kitchen This (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1031948&forum_id=2#12143179) |