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DOJ Tax: How prestigious?
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:14 PM Author: Medicated Self-centered Market Double Fault Subject: DOJ Tax: How prestigious? We all know DOJ is prestigious. But where does the Tax division rank in the DOJ prestige hierarchy? Near the top or near the bottom? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144442) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:15 PM Author: cracking thirsty juggernaut there is no prestige in govt. pay grade is based on seniority. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144452) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: Mint tantric persian there is only prestige in parents' basements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144521) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:28 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot LOL, MFE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144530) |
Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:25 PM Author: Spruce idiot property Rough order of "prestige" (i.e. selectivity)
Civil/Crim Civil Rights/Antitrust Tax/ENRD EOIR |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: Mint tantric persian this is wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144518) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: Spruce idiot property What's your take? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144520) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:30 PM Author: Mint tantric persian civil/criminal should be at the bottom. the rest are roughly equal. anti-trust and tax should be at the top. they are just more complicated practices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144540) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:33 PM Author: Spruce idiot property I was trying to gauge selectivity/competitiveness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144557) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:35 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot This is wrong. Especially re CIV/CRIM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144573) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:40 PM Author: Mint tantric persian they're all selective, but civil/crim is just a much easier practice area. therefore, it is less prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144610) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:50 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot They're harder to get into. Therefore, they're more prestigious, at least versus Tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144709) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:51 PM Author: Mint tantric persian They're harder to get into because there are fewer openings due to more people wanting to stay in an easy practice area and more people wanting to go into it in the first place. You have to be objectively smarter to do the work in the tax group. Therefore, it is more prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144727) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:53 PM Author: poppy center To be fair, a lot of people instinctively hate the idea of tax, regardless of how intelligent they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144742) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:55 PM Author: Mint tantric persian this is what people who are too dumb for tax always say. /sarcasm
I know. But you do need to be smarter to do tax work than civil or criminal. Not that all tax attorneys are smarter than all CIV/CRIM, but the work requires a higher intellect. |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:55 PM Author: floppy indecent step-uncle's house useless brakes ROFL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172428) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:53 PM Author: passionate whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144736) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:54 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot Are you practicing now? Or were you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144744) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:56 PM Author: passionate whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144762) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:58 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster Did you go to a good law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144775) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:59 PM Author: passionate whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144788) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:01 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster How can you not find any other decent work? You must have done reasonably well to have gotten a job with Latham. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144801) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:02 PM Author: passionate whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144814) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:54 PM Author: Mint tantric persian Rod Blagojevich will hook you up for a small fee. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144749) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:27 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot ATR belongs in the first tier. ENRD belongs below tax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144527) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:53 PM Author: passionate whorehouse how the fuck do i get out of the shitlaw ghetto and into doj antitrust? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144743) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:54 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster 6+ years of litigation experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144748) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:56 PM Author: passionate whorehouse what do you base this on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144763) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:57 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster I work at the Department of Justice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144765) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:56 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot Non-Honors people are hired based on skillz and experience. Unless that is your current practice area, YOUR FUCKED. Lots of biglaw refugees would like that job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144760) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:57 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster They don't care as much about practicing antitrust law as they want people with civil litigation experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144764) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:59 PM Author: passionate whorehouse so any civil lit experience will be fine? what are the selection criteria after that? any way to get in sooner. i'd rather slash wrists than stay in the shitlaw ghetto. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144784) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster I think federal civil lit experience of any kind is what they're looking for, but the closer you can get to something antitrust-related the better, I'm sure. After that, they look at school and what firm you're coming from. Not sure beyond that. No way to get in sooner right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144797) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:01 PM Author: passionate whorehouse *shoots self*
god i hate my fucking life. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:02 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster You're probably getting paid as much as a 1st year DOJ'er (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144812) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:03 PM Author: passionate whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144819) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:04 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster That's about $40K more than I was making at DOJ right out of law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144828) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:05 PM Author: passionate whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144839) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:06 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster Career prospects are much better, I'm sure. But the work isn't always that interesting. Depends on what section and who you're working with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144845) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot That may be true, I don't know anyone in ATR, but relevant experience can't be irrelevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144795) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:16 PM Author: Thriller brilliant cruise ship "relevant experience can't be irrelevant." thank you for that nugget of wisdom. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:18 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot welcome, asshat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144959) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:58 PM Author: floppy indecent step-uncle's house useless brakes relevant experience is very important. however, a lot of what antitrust does is not actual antitrust law. for example, the entire criminal side of ATR (field offices and natl crim enforcement) are basically run of the mill white collar prosecutors. most of the cases they do have gone so beyond the bounds of antitrust law that theyre straight up fraud/theft/bribery/kickback/bid-rigging cases. For example, ATR is leading the bribery/kickback investigation into military contracting in Iraq. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172452) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:58 PM Author: passionate whorehouse FUCK FUCK FUCK. what if i get a shiTTTy LLM from Harvard, can i go into the honors program from there. i will kill myself before i stay in the shitlaw ghetto, and actually liked antitrust quite a bit. unfortunately, i was lathamed. what the fuck do i do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144773) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Mint tantric persian weather the storm, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144791) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:00 PM Author: passionate whorehouse what do you mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144794) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:03 PM Author: Mint tantric persian the economy will improve, and you won't be stuck in shitlaw forever. this is a completely unprecedented economy for lawyers. you'll be able to move back into a real job when firms recover. for now, just be happy you have a paycheck and something to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144821) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:04 PM Author: passionate whorehouse yah, i've had interviews outside of the devastated market where i was lathamed. still found a 100k job but it sucks. will resume search once i take this damn bar exam. god i fucking hate this bar exam bullshit. they need to make it national. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144831) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:05 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster Did you fail the bar once? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144837) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:06 PM Author: passionate whorehouse no, passed with flying colors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144846) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:05 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot Dunno if you go back for LLM if you can apply to Honors. Check the website. Sounds like a shitty plan though, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144841) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:06 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster You can't do DOJ Honors if you're been in practice at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144849) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:07 PM Author: passionate whorehouse that's bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144857) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:08 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster Now that's unfair. You would have had to apply to DOJ Honors as a 3L, and were free to do so before accepting at Latham. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144865) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:09 PM Author: passionate whorehouse if i'd known they were going to fuck me i would have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144875) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:10 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster To be fair, I think they want to hire people whose first preference would be to work for DOJ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144882) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:11 PM Author: passionate whorehouse they start you at 50k and i have loans to pay off. would have gladly gone in after a few years of biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144887) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:11 PM Author: Shaky lascivious toaster Current starting salary is nearly $60K (goes to $70+ after 6 months), plus they have a loan repayment program, and most schools have LRAP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144894) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 9:08 PM Author: charcoal cerebral coffee pot I suspected that, but did not know for sure. It's a shitty plan anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144868) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2009 8:26 PM Author: Marvelous stage What does it matter? If you go there your career will probably end up being tax related regardless of how prestigious it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12144522) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:17 PM Author: Medicated Self-centered Market Double Fault Right. But I would rather be doing tax litigation in a nice big firm than a shit law firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172146) |
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Date: July 6th, 2009 5:22 PM Author: Blue confused mother i heard tax litigation is less desired and prestigious than the other stuff (whatever that is) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1032512&forum_id=2#12172176) |