4th Year BIGLAW Associate with $225,000 saved. I WANT TO QUIT..
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Date: July 7th, 2009 12:56 AM Author: Motley area
I want to quit but I'm too pussy to do so without another job and I can't find any other job. I'm just a wuss ass.
I go into work every day wondering wtf I'm doing. My first year or so it was actually somewhat interesting because I liked my practice area and had to learn so much since law school is useless.
Now it's just repetitive bullshit over and over. Draft an answer. Answer discovery. Argue over one bullshit document. Write summary judgment motions on the same fucking issues. Prepare all sorts of pre-trial paperwork only to have the case fucking settle two days before trial.
I work for asshole partners who are nice (because they have to be politically correct these days) but who are also anal and only care about money. I swear I've never meet a rainmaker who wasn't just a money hungry beast and/or a socially retarded fucktard who had to justify their existence by billing 3,000 hours a year.
I've saved over 225k so if I wanted to I could easily run away for a year or two somewhere and volunteer. If I was a man I'd do it but I'm just a BIGLAW tool now working for the paycheck. I'm just a troll like all the other BIGLAW associates. The only way I'd ever leave is if I get fired/laid off or if it became so fucking unbearable that partners were yelling at me eight hours a day. Neither is likely to happen so I'll probably be a BIGLAW troll for a long time.
At least I enjoy looking at my net worth statement on Yodlee every fucking day. That is the only redeeming thing about my fucking job.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176301) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:08 AM Author: Motley area
I've already traveled a ton abroad and I've lived abroad. I'd love to do it again but it doesn't ahve the appeal it does to someone who hasn't done it before.
Same iwth living in different US cities. I've lived in NYC, LA, etc. Done that all.
If I'm going to do something I want to do something cool and unusual and different that will really change my perspective of the world. I don't know what.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176392) |
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Date: October 7th, 2011 1:23 PM Author: mentally impaired preventive strike
Greetings,
Just do GC of a startup, bro. I can vouch for it being extremely rewarding.
If Jobs had died before I was doing this, I would have been depressed about not having a job where I make stuff and contribute to society. But being GC of a tech startup, I get to participate actively in improving the world one electron at a time. OR some faggo tshit like that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#19120530) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:20 AM Author: Mischievous titillating hissy fit theater stage
this is the first and hardest problem with nouveau riche -- u just don't have the consumption habits formed yet that keep ur nose to the grindstone, and all this pointless, asinine self-reflection at bay. poors have it easy here, b/c they can struggle and scrape just to get an extra tub of fried chicken on friday night or tickets to the monster truck show. so they can live paycheck to paycheck without hardly lifting a bloated, diabetic finger.
the key here is that u have to learn to live beyond the TTT middle-class striver life in which u were raised, and re-learn how to steadily accumulate shit that you don't need but that u can still not really afford on ur current income. this is a problem for u, b/c things that ppl who are actually wealthy consider necessary seem like "luxuries" to u, and not needed for existence or happiness. once u get over this mental block, things will go much smoother for u, and ur life will make much more sense. u will also be happy, b/c u will lose all this excess leisure time that winds up being spent "examining" and basically just agonizing over everything that ur life is not, rather than blissfully appreciating the meager and fleeting bits of goodness that it is.
to start with, u need to sink ur savings into a down-payment on some hideously overpriced luxury condo in a major metro (or a ridic house in the burbs if ur in some dogshit southern state). next, get a lease on a car that costs at least $80k, and get a massive -- like at least $20k -- wardrobe makeover. also, make sure ur next vacation will run u $20k minimum. and start having some motherfucking fun in ur precious few off hours (if u can't figure out how to do this, then just hook up with a model or two -- they'll help u burn through cash and live on the edge with NO fucking problem). acquiring a manageable but expensive drug habit will also help here. weed is too cheap. cocaine is ok. stay away from heroin though -- just trust me on that one.
once u have done this, u will have two things: (1) tangible, shiny, material things and decadent chemical pleasures that will make ur "meaningless" work something of real presence and value in ur life; and (2) the start of an endless incentive to work ur ass off and rise to the top of the troll heap in ur firm. when ur mind becomes consumed with making more money b/c u need it just to make ends meet, u will be AMAZED how u no longer give a shit what the work is -- just a long as it gets u paid. and when u get used to living like u own the place, then u will find a lot more ambition to do whatever it takes to ensure that u actually do someday.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176474)
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Date: July 7th, 2009 12:59 AM Author: ungodly diverse internal respiration
Partnership prospects?
Do you own a home?
Any interest in starting your own firm?
Any interest in starting a non-legal business, if so, what kind?
Any outstanding debt?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176319) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:03 AM Author: Motley area
It is not that hard to make partner at my firm compared to ther places but you start as a non-equity partner of course and you don't make all that much and it's only worth it if you can eventually bring in business to make equity. Otherwise ytou are just a glorified senior associate who likely will get pushed out after a few years unless you kiss major ass.
I don't own a home. That is the best decision I ever made- not buying a condo two years ago at the peak of the market. I'd have lost 100k in a year.
I think about starting my own firm and doing plaintiffs side work but that's easier said than done. I'd start with no clients. I don't know how to get clients really. I'd love to steal some clients from my firm and bill them hourly doing defense side work but I'm not in a position to do it. And if I start my own firm I need to get fired from my current firm so I can collect unemployment for a year since I probably wouldn't make anything for several months as a solo.
I'd never start a non-legal business. This is all I've ever done. I wouldnt' mind owning a bar but no idae how to make money doing that.
I have 60k left of student loans at 1.5% interest. I pay about 300 a month.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176351) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:11 AM Author: Motley area
Trust me, I was the most money hungry greedy bastard when I finished LS. I just wanted to make money. That was the sole reason I went to LS. But after a few years in BIGLAW you realize that you can't work solely for money. You have to be a tool, hypercompetitive or socially retarded to stay in BIGLAW for life. That is just a fact. You can't sustain it if you have any other interests in life.
Eventually you wake up everyday realizing you are just working to collect a paycheck adn you have no other motivation.
And when you make BIGLAW money you end up spending it like you wouldn't otherwise. You hang out with other BIGLAW associates. You drop your CC at a bar and pick up the entire tab. You eat at the niciest restaurant. You do stupid shit for chicks. Some months I can't believe how much I've spent on stupid shit, drinking and eating at restaurants. It's just fucking ridiculous. If I was making 90k instead I'd watch my money and not do such stupid shit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176414) |
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Date: October 7th, 2011 7:39 AM Author: Concupiscible Church
oh shit....i just figured it out - this is one of those "criticize the associates smart enough and cool enough to make partner as socially retarded" threads.
here's a tip - those who succeed in any service field are not socially retarded. they just don't give a fuck about saying good morning or making chit chat with a shit fucking, soon to be pushed out junior associates. the stench of your impending failure is what makes the successful so uncomfortable around you.
JUST JOKING WITH YOU! Of course guys who attract millions in legal work in a hyper competitive market are socially retarded - that has to be it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#19119274) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:20 AM Author: Iridescent Zippy Market Half-breed
"but I realiz its harder when you have a 2.8k NYC apartment, or a 600 car payment or a 3.5k mortgage in LA, or a wife/GF who you need to blow a ton of money on, or 1.5k a month student loan payments, or if you blow 15k on a European vacation every year."
Aside from the $15k on the European vacation every year, all of those expenses (rent/mortgage, car, loans, girls/partying, vacations) seem pretty reasonable. I know people in NYC who are at your class year who saved about half of what you have saved and they're not overly wasteful spenders. They probably live in the $2800/square foot apartment but don't waste tons of cash on booze, drugs, clothes, trips and girls although they do have fun and splurge every so often.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176475) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:28 AM Author: Motley area
No. No job is interesting. All work is involuntary. Even if people liek the work they do they wouldn't work the hours they do.
Point is that BIGLAW is just unsustainable unless you are a fucktard. Honest truth.
I'd rather work for the fed government making 90k to 110k which is what attorneys with four years expereince pull in big cities for the feds.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176566) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 2:05 AM Author: Motley area
For the most part you can't be a "normal" functioning human being and make money.
You CAN be a money hungry, toolish, hyper competitive socially retard who makes tons of money in banking or law or business and works so much you never have time to enjoy.
Other than that I'd imagine the only people who enjoy their money who make bank are professional athletes and some musicians, actors, etc. Basically people in the arts.
But for real jobs most people are miserable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176880) |
Date: July 7th, 2009 1:32 AM Author: Bisexual appetizing incel
bullshit, unless you're superman, you have probably lost at least 1/3rd of your money in stocks bonds etc over hte past year
that means you're putting away 80k a year from your job, in at least two years where big bonuses were simply not happening
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176600) |
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:44 AM Author: Motley area
Fortunately in 2005, 2006, and 2007 I didn't max out in my 401k because I thought I was going to buy a condo so I wanted to save for a downpayment. That SAVED me TONS of money because my 401k was all invested in stocks and they all went to shit. I lost over 35% though I've made a fraction back this year.
I only have 35k in my 401k. So now even 20% of my portfolio is in 401k.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176737)
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Date: July 7th, 2009 1:34 AM Author: spectacular pea-brained principal's office
Well shit, if we are counting 401K and IRA money and not counting loans as liabilities, I have $175K saved and dont even have a shitty job to hate.
Living the dream.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12176632) |
Date: July 7th, 2009 8:40 AM Author: Shimmering toaster marketing idea
Do you think you'd be happier at a small/midlaw firm, or would it have the same "only working for money" kind of feel?
I can see myself having the same reaction to biglaw as you, but I think I'd be a little more OK with the prospect of doing something for the money given that I want to have a family. It's probably easier to think "I'm doing this boring job so my kids can go to college" than it is "I'm doing this boring job so that I can boost my savings from $200K to $300K."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12177669) |
Date: July 7th, 2009 9:05 AM Author: Galvanic Stag Film Trust Fund
Thread doesn't make much sense. $225K isn't that much, and what will you do when the $ runs out?
You need a couple of bucks for this strategy to make sense.
And while your costs are low right now, at some point, costs will increase (wife and kids). Your most expensive years are well ahead of you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12177699) |
Date: July 7th, 2009 9:19 AM Author: burgundy misanthropic corner boiling water
What pensive would say is that you should spend a year in a Third World country on the cheap, figure out what you want to do with your life, and find a way to move into that career path.
Or, you can stay in New York and spend 2-3 years socializing with the right crowd while working a low-hours, low-stress job that pays at maintenance level. Become well-connected, and make your big move out of those connections.
If you get married and have kids before sorting this shit out, that Biglaw job will become inescapable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12177721) |
Date: July 7th, 2009 10:02 AM Author: Magenta University
First, don't quit your fucking job just to be a ttt homeless roaming faggot for a few years.
I know several retards who did this, and guess what, after 2 years they all went back to law firms. Different ones, but firms none the less. ITE you can't afford to walk out because the assurance that you will get rehired once you return just is not there.
I'm glad to see you already have traveled so hopefully this TTT impulse is not present in you.
You have two options, both within the current firm: float or rise. Use ITE as an excuse to squeak by with billable hours and use your extra time to make the right connections and interview for jobs. You can easily "figure out what you want to do with your life" while you are collecting your $200K salary. It's just as likely you will figure it out now as it would be if you were drinking and smoking a lot of weed in some Calcutta slum. The second option is gun hard and stand out ITE at your firm. Since you don't appear to have any notable interests anyway, why not dedicate your life to something where you have a chance of success? If nothing else, it will help you in 4 years when you finally figure shit out.
I definitely think you should take the second option and get over your striver malaise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12177834)
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Date: July 7th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: lascivious jet-lagged nursing home
Do you actually want a wife and children?
Most of the advice here is wrong. You should keep working biglaw and downshift into a 9-5 in-house type job just when you get married and start having children. The biglaw savings will let you take a good bite out of a house, which is the most important thing you'll do in this second third of life. The 9-5 job will support the fam. at middle class level and let you spend time with your children. You'll rise through the hierarchy at the company for fifteen years, not even realizing, when it happens after five or so, that you've passed your biglaw salary by. And through it all you will have a better schedule, perhaps more meaningful work, and you will be able to see your family. You also won't be working among 40-year-old adolescent coke-sniffers, but among other family people.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12178280) |
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Date: July 8th, 2009 1:44 AM Author: Motley area
It depends on what you mean by "trial experience" About three times I've helped a case go to trial by doing most of the pre trial paperwork (motions in limine, helping with the trial brief, jury instructions etc.) However I never actually was in the courtroom since the partner and junior partner/senior associate does that shit.
I've gone to court a lot to do ex parte application "hearings" but those are horseshit. Usually the judge isn't even there, you just talk to his clerk.
A couple times I've actually been able to "argue" something in administrative type hearings.
And so basically I have very little real courtroom experience but I don't care. Litigation isn't about going to trial. 99% of our cases settle or are thrown out before trial. I'd much rather become good at brief writing and taking depositions than cross-examining witnesses.
Very few associates ever get real trial experience.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12186105) |
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Date: September 16th, 2009 3:16 PM Author: Cordovan Marvelous Place Of Business
"put on a witness at trial because it is basically malpractice per se"
lolwut?
1 partner commits malpractice and the others are like: "whateva he does what he wants."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12760531) |
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Date: July 8th, 2009 2:07 AM Author: Motley area
That sounds nice. I've been to Bali but not elsewhere in Indonesia. I've always wanted to trek it. It's an interesting country.
I went to Paris in undergrad. The food was nice but Europe isn't my thing. Too expensive. For one week in western Europe you can live like a king in Asia for a month. My nice hotel in Bali cost $20 a night.
And I'd rather fuck Asian girls than hairy cocky French women.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#12186229) |
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Date: October 7th, 2011 6:56 AM Author: unholy onyx cumskin
Holy shit, can't believe I am reading this shit. I am the OP.
About six months after posting this I finally got fired. I got a nice severance package and left to travel immediately. I had about 325k in net worth.
I'm actually still travelling (it's been over 18 months) and it's been fucking awesome. I've gone to over 30 countries (been to 80 in my life now). I go to developing countries so it is cheap, it costs only about $20k a year for everything. So even after the recent market crash I still have 316k net worth. If the market just picks up a little I should end up paying for two years travelling.
I've banged a shitload of chicks, from all over the world. French, Swedish, Korean, etc. It is pretty fucking amazing. America seems boring and pathetic by comparison.
You can say this is flame, but whatever. It's not. Taking Q's if anyone is awake (no idea what time it is in the States)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#19119263)
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Date: October 7th, 2011 8:45 AM Author: unholy onyx cumskin
early 30's bro
its pretty awesome this shit happened, madea ll the hell and stress i went through worth it
dood, once u bang foriegn chicks u wont want feminazi american pussy no more.. tis amazing
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#19119310) |
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Date: October 7th, 2011 12:08 PM Author: unholy onyx cumskin
I ignore student loans because I dont want to think of them, and because of the low interest rate. I dont consider them as big a liability because its only 2% and also while Im abroad i ahve deferred them and the gov pays part of the interest. Also, i may be able to get into ICBR adn then after like 20 more years the gov forgives the balance, or if i get 10 years of gov service i think it may be forgiven
of course president rick perry would fuck up ICBR and make us pay 100 percent interest so i could get fucked by the GOP
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#19120028)
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Date: October 7th, 2011 12:02 PM Author: unholy onyx cumskin
Dood, I have always been angry. My whole life. I am working on it. I am trying to become Buddhism. It works, but it takes dedication. But for the time being, my anger keeps me going in a strange way.
And traveling abroad to bang chicks is a credited lifestyle dood. Ppl dont realize but just dating Americans chicks is boring as fuck. Girls traveling act like sluts too. It is really diff and fun. Its like Vegas every wknd in some places.
And yeah, tehre is TONS of stuff in these places i just didnt mention it. But lots of normal tourist stuff as well as amazing nightlife and other shit from just walking around. Lots of outdoor shit and beaches and all sorts of crap I cant even explain. America is very limiting fools, u dont realize it because America is a bubble and ppl are very insular.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1035585&forum_id=2#19119987) |
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