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LSAT 180, GPA 3.1 => impossible at Y/H/S? not URM

not flame: http://www.mypicx.com/07102009/iii/ applying ...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
tubgirl alert
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
no
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
guys at my high school got rejected from yale with 180s all ...
embarrassed to the bone startled rigor queen of the night
  07/10/09
No chance Good work brah
Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell
  07/10/09
really no chance? so C/N is the highest I could get?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Barring a miracle
Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell
  07/10/09
sucks..
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
they can have their pick of people who didn't fuck around fo...
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
but I got perfect a 180 which means, I could be a lot smarte...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
...or the 178s could have had a bad day, the score band is a...
well-lubricated parlor jew
  07/10/09
and you also got a shitty 169, so lets not get carried away
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
If your liquid intelligence were responsible for your perfor...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
actually, he got a 180 so he could be a lot smarter than ppl...
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
I think the test is learnable, but I don't think this is tru...
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
which school do you go to/did you get into?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Haven't applied yet. Have a job I like, so maybe in 2011.
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
gpa?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
3.7ish.
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
ah..lucky you. Lock at Y/H/S
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Hope so, dood. Getting any of the three would be SWeet.
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
are you doing finance stuff right now?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Yes. It's interesting / fun enough for now, but I don't see ...
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
$$$$$/year?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
80ish starting (1st year out of college), no idea what bonus...
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
not bad at all
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=578881&mc=96...
hyperventilating point
  07/10/09
awesome. but are you tapping hot ass? (the important que...
multi-colored violet messiness trust fund
  07/10/09
I was too general. For someone already scraping the ceiling...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
To be clear, 170 is my "cold" score. I flipped th...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
onoes LSAT not G-G-G-G Loaded enuff *takes professionally...
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
I don't care that the LSAT is not adequately g-loaded. I th...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
"I don't know what to make of a trained 169 supplanted ...
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
Fair enough. I like you dood.
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
TY.
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
You should have worked harder in ug. Did you major in e...
Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell
  07/10/09
yes and yes
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
That *may* help you, but it's still a long shit. Law schools...
Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell
  07/10/09
Caltech
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
this is flame. why would someone from caltech go to law scho...
embarrassed to the bone startled rigor queen of the night
  07/10/09
I like this moniker.
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
You're a Caltech engineer who wants to go to law school? ...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
not really. IP is just an option. In for the money, so I wil...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
retake ug
plum codepig
  07/10/09
wouldn't school combine both lsat scores to give you 174/5, ...
swollen boiling water
  07/10/09
they don't do that anymore
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
is this all schools or some schools, and since when?
swollen boiling water
  07/10/09
welcome to CCN.
costumed athletic conference
  07/10/09
oh noes..
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
with the way things broke out this year, a shitty GPA like h...
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
*Kills self*
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
yeah, he may be forced to ED at NYU to have a shot, given la...
costumed athletic conference
  07/10/09
you think ED at NYU because it's safe enough, and in your op...
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
i picked NYU because it's more splitter-friendly than both c...
costumed athletic conference
  07/10/09
i see. i would say go chicago ED since my impression is tha...
Blue Titillating Depressive
  07/10/09
Chicago <3 the appearance of rigor. A Caltech engineer w...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
oh well, I don't think I will do law if I don't get into Y/H...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Credited life path.
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
do you go to Y/H/S? which one?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
I go to CCN, which is why I'm advising only go to law school...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
what the fuck was your gpa? and why do you agree with me?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
My GPA was low (sub 3.0). My softs were okay. I agree wi...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
how are you doing in ls.
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Probably around top third. Don't really know. I am not try...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
Do your classmates know that you scored a 180? What were the...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Did I say I scored a 180? If I did, I apologize. I scored ...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
do you think I would make more money by just going to dental...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Yup.
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
That said, my plan is to slave away in BIGLAW - such as it i...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
What are you planning to become?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
It's kind of specialized. I'd like to do microcap to midcap...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
sounds like a great plan. And I agree with you on that it sh...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
D school > YHSCCN. BIGLAW what you're going to be paid, ...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
Why aren't more people applying to D schools? Hate teeth? Le...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Yes.
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
And, I mean, a lot of us are humanities and social sciences ...
Exciting chest-beating property
  07/10/09
Because they don't want to look into rotting mouths all day ...
honey-headed harsh address sound barrier
  07/10/09
3 years ago you had a 174.5 and a 3.1. That wouldn't even g...
odious wagecucks home
  07/10/09
but the bar for CCN was lower, no?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
'05 LSAT 25-75: columbia 168-173; NYU 168-172; chicago 168-1...
costumed athletic conference
  07/10/09
jesus. columbia's on the move. isn't that '08 spread about t...
out-of-control theater stage skinny woman
  07/10/09
wonder what their GPA is
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
.
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
anyways, as I said, I am in for the money, so I don't have t...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
If you went to caltech, can't you get into trading or quanti...
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
bad lifestyle/job security.
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
False, dood - especially with the more niche consulting/fina...
180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete
  07/10/09
well, Y/H/S will do fine.
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
3.1 from caltech won't get you decent quant jobs what major...
Bespoke Principal's Office Marketing Idea
  07/10/09
oh, and I am pretty sure that I can score an almost perfect ...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
you're running some kind of weird flame now.
costumed athletic conference
  07/10/09
no.
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
I suspect you're right. Try the MAT (Miller Analogies)--lot...
crawly hairy legs
  07/10/09
how many different ways are you going to find to keep postin...
Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency
  07/10/09
I posted two. That's it, dude. Jealous?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
i only took it once
Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency
  07/10/09
and got 180?
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
odd this has never come up here before
Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency
  07/10/09
jealousy is an ugly thing, old friend. console youself with ...
scarlet supple pit
  07/10/09
tyty
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
are you sure? and what happens when someone shows up here w...
Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency
  07/10/09
i assume your pithy observations and off-hand slights will s...
scarlet supple pit
  07/10/09
I think you have a great shot if you can come up with a dece...
mischievous new version
  07/10/09
yeah straight from undergrad, and what's worse is, I am a 22...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
Well if you want HYS then take a few years off and do someth...
mischievous new version
  07/10/09
I don't think I want to go to CCN. I would rather just apply...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
barring a miracle from Y/H/S, I guess I am headed to dental ...
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
sometimes I forget I'm on XO, not CollegeConfidential
Provocative cruel-hearted casino mood
  07/10/09
smartass
Canary fortuitous meteor
  07/10/09
do you have to declare race on your app at HYS? i know you d...
out-of-control theater stage skinny woman
  07/10/09
It is silly to "only" go to HYS for law school. A...
pea-brained orange shrine
  07/10/09
This guy is the biggest fag flame ever. First off, I'm on Wa...
marvelous massive ceo
  07/11/09
Harsh but fair
Rusted sexy community account
  07/11/09
He also seems to have attributed several posters' stories to...
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  07/11/09
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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:33 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

not flame: http://www.mypicx.com/07102009/iii/

applying for 2010.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207967)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:34 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

tubgirl alert

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207978)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:34 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207980)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:34 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone startled rigor queen of the night

guys at my high school got rejected from yale with 180s all the time, it was no big deal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207982)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:35 PM
Author: Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell

No chance

Good work brah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207986)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:35 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

really no chance? so C/N is the highest I could get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207990)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:36 PM
Author: Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell

Barring a miracle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207991)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:36 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

sucks..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12207993)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:37 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

they can have their pick of people who didn't fuck around for 4 years of college AND have 175+ lsat scores

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208001)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:38 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

but I got perfect a 180 which means, I could be a lot smarter than ppl who got 178

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208013)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:42 PM
Author: well-lubricated parlor jew

...or the 178s could have had a bad day, the score band is a 6 point spread, you could have very well gotten a 177.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208059)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:44 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

and you also got a shitty 169, so lets not get carried away

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208085)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:44 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

If your liquid intelligence were responsible for your performance, explain your previous score.

180 is, of course, an outstanding result. The test, however, is learnable. It requires just a few simple algorithms to perform well. The difference between a 169-170 score and a higher score (as someone who scored a 170 and a 177) is about the incidentals of test-day performance. You should know this; you're the same as I am.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208086)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:46 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

actually, he got a 180 so he could be a lot smarter than ppl like you lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208105)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:49 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

I think the test is learnable, but I don't think this is true:

" The difference between a 169-170 score and a higher score (s someone who scored a 170 and a 177) is about the incidentals of test-day performance."

I took about 15 practices tests, never got below 175 after the diagnostic test, and got a 180 on about half the tests as well as the actual test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208125)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:51 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

which school do you go to/did you get into?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208134)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:51 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

Haven't applied yet. Have a job I like, so maybe in 2011.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208144)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:53 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

gpa?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208160)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:55 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

3.7ish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208167)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:56 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

ah..lucky you. Lock at Y/H/S

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208184)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:56 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

Hope so, dood. Getting any of the three would be SWeet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208190)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:59 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

are you doing finance stuff right now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208233)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:00 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

Yes. It's interesting / fun enough for now, but I don't see it as my long term career.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208243)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:11 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

$$$$$/year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208395)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:12 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

80ish starting (1st year out of college), no idea what bonuses will be this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208408)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:20 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

not bad at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208490)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 4:50 PM
Author: hyperventilating point

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=578881&mc=96&forum_id=2

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http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=821043&forum_id=2

http://patrickhammscandal.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/07/1551800-scandal-hits-harvard

http://poponthepop.com/2008/06/17/harvard-teacher-assault-posted-on-twitter-flickr-and-blogs/

http://lenachenbukkake.blogspot.com/2009/06/patrick-hamm-scandal-pics.html

http://lena-chens-ex-i-posted-the-pictures-and-got-a-bad-rap.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=742437&mc=4&forum_id=2

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http://patrickhammscandal.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/07/1551800-scandal-hits-harvard

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http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038246&mc=19&forum_id=2



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12209804)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:23 PM
Author: multi-colored violet messiness trust fund

awesome.

but are you tapping hot ass? (the important question)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208519)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:52 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

I was too general. For someone already scraping the ceiling of the test when taking it cold, it's probably different. I'm talking about the vast majority of dumbs, like myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208148)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:46 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

To be clear, 170 is my "cold" score. I flipped through the games the day before. I don't know what to make of a trained 169 supplanted by a trained 180, other than to marvel at just how learnable the test is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208099)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:47 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

onoes LSAT not G-G-G-G Loaded enuff

*takes professionally administered IQ test*

*scores 160+*

*posts on xoxo about it*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208114)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:50 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

I don't care that the LSAT is not adequately g-loaded. I think the skills needed to succeed on the LSAT are not bad indicators of some of the testable skills needed to thrive in law school. If someone can learn those skills, great. They can probably learn what they need to be a lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208130)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:54 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

"I don't know what to make of a trained 169 supplanted by a trained 180, other than to marvel at just how learnable the test is."

I don't think that it's that unusual, because the LSAT is so tightly scaled. Let's say you get a weird game that you have trouble with in the first section, and then it fucks with your confidence for the rest of the test - you can easily go from the near perfect range to missing 11/12.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208165)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:55 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

Fair enough. I like you dood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208174)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:56 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

TY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208186)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:37 PM
Author: Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell

You should have worked harder in ug.

Did you major in engineering or attend a very rigorous school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208006)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:38 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

yes and yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208016)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:39 PM
Author: Adulterous Jet-lagged Hell

That *may* help you, but it's still a long shit. Law schools tend to go easy on engineers. What school did you attend for ug?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208027)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:39 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

Caltech

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208032)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:43 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone startled rigor queen of the night

this is flame. why would someone from caltech go to law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208071)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:47 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

I like this moniker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208113)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:47 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

You're a Caltech engineer who wants to go to law school?

Hardon for IP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208111)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:48 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

not really. IP is just an option. In for the money, so I will do whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208120)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:37 PM
Author: plum codepig

retake ug

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208003)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:43 PM
Author: swollen boiling water

wouldn't school combine both lsat scores to give you 174/5, or is that just a myth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208075)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:44 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

they don't do that anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208082)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:46 PM
Author: swollen boiling water

is this all schools or some schools, and since when?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208100)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:48 PM
Author: costumed athletic conference

welcome to CCN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208121)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:49 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

oh noes..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208124)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:49 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

with the way things broke out this year, a shitty GPA like his might not even land CCN, and probably won't have his pick among them.

welcome to PEnnttttttttttt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208126)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:50 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

*Kills self*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208129)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:51 PM
Author: costumed athletic conference

yeah, he may be forced to ED at NYU to have a shot, given last cycle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208142)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:53 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

you think ED at NYU because it's safe enough, and in your opinion it's a better school than, say, chicago, or do you think ED at NYU is an even safer bet than chicago?

obviously, by pure numbers, columbia is the most competitive and probably not a good place for him to ED to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208159)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:56 PM
Author: costumed athletic conference

i picked NYU because it's more splitter-friendly than both chicago and columbia. i mean, it would suck if he were accepted ED at NYU and also got accepted to columbia or chicago, but the odds of that happening are less than him getting shut out of CCN without ED.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208188)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:57 PM
Author: Blue Titillating Depressive

i see. i would say go chicago ED since my impression is that they are much more willing to slum to get a good LSAT, but that could be wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208196)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:05 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

Chicago <3 the appearance of rigor. A Caltech engineer with a high LSAT would do nicely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208305)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:53 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

oh well, I don't think I will do law if I don't get into Y/H/S anyways. So I guess I won't do law barring a miracle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208157)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:55 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

Credited life path.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208168)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:55 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

do you go to Y/H/S? which one?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208173)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:56 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

I go to CCN, which is why I'm advising only go to law school if you go to YHS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208182)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:56 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

what the fuck was your gpa? and why do you agree with me?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208189)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:04 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

My GPA was low (sub 3.0). My softs were okay.

I agree with you because YH really helps. S, I mean, I don't know why people lump S in with YH, TBH. I think the division is more like:

Y >>> H >> SCC > N.

For lay prestige, sure. Lump Stanford in with YH. But for jobs, clerkships, academic positions, etc., I think that this is a more credited division, with certain strengths in each school.

Of course, the distinctions here are small on the absolute scale of law school prestige and opportunities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208283)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:09 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

how are you doing in ls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208360)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:15 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

Probably around top third. Don't really know. I am not trying hard at all. If I tried, I think I could do better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208427)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:16 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

Do your classmates know that you scored a 180? What were their reactions? Are you sore that you didn't get into Y/H/S?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208443)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:21 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

Did I say I scored a 180? If I did, I apologize. I scored a 177. And don't forget that I scored a much more TTT 170.

No one knows my LSAT score. Seems gauche to talk about it (in a non-anonymous way on anything other than xoxo, of course). I don't know what it would accomplish. Those who scored significantly worse might feel inadequate. Those who scored similarly would think me a braggart. Those who scored higher would inwardly smile at what a boob I am. This is just not the kind of thing you would talk about, unless you're having a critical discussion on psychometrics and you're using it as an example.

I'm not sore that I didn't get into YHS. I'm a poor. You have no idea what a step up CCN is for me. I am pretty happy just to be a college graduate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208500)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:23 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

do you think I would make more money by just going to dental school rather than going to CCN?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208522)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:27 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

Yup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208561)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:25 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

That said, my plan is to slave away in BIGLAW - such as it is - for a few years, and then probably return for my MBA (if they'll have me). In this, nothing less than HSW will do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208536)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:26 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

What are you planning to become?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208555)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:29 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

It's kind of specialized. I'd like to do microcap to midcap PE. It's a small market, but it dovetails well with the group I'm preferencing and will almost certainly get into. So I'll get good experience. If it doesn't pan out, whatever, but I'd like to get as much exposure to and experience with various business units on medium and small scales as I can. The endgame is to start my own business some time in my 30s.

Of course, I am generally a poor prognosticator over long periods.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208579)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:33 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

sounds like a great plan. And I agree with you on that it should be only H/S/W. I am pretty sure that you will get in.

So, in terms of $$$$$, would you say,

YHS > D school > CCN?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208608)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:35 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

D school > YHSCCN. BIGLAW what you're going to be paid, unless you land at Wachtell or some high-paying boutique. Unlikely. And you get BIGLAW from any of those schools (before ITE, etc., etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208629)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:36 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

Why aren't more people applying to D schools? Hate teeth? Less prestige? Bad in sciences?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208638)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:37 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

Yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208644)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:38 PM
Author: Exciting chest-beating property

And, I mean, a lot of us are humanities and social sciences majors. We don't have the requisite classes for dental school, and our next best option is often a Starbucks barista or landscaper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208657)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 4:15 PM
Author: honey-headed harsh address sound barrier

Because they don't want to look into rotting mouths all day and lack the stamina/fine motor control needed to do dental work?

My dentist might have a nice lifestyle in that he works 8-4 ish, but I would never want to do what he does all day...he also has his own practice so there isn't much social interaction with colleagues (other than his 80 year old secretary, and two dental hygienests who aren't particularly attractive or interesting)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12209444)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:57 PM
Author: odious wagecucks home

3 years ago you had a 174.5 and a 3.1. That wouldn't even get you into CCN as a lock. You are fortunate to get CCN now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208194)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 1:58 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

but the bar for CCN was lower, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208217)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:02 PM
Author: costumed athletic conference

'05 LSAT 25-75: columbia 168-173; NYU 168-172; chicago 168-172

'08 LSAT 25-75: columbia 170-175; NYU 169-173; chicago 169-173

it hasn't changed enough to offset your new 5.5-point advantage. be happy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208264)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:02 PM
Author: out-of-control theater stage skinny woman

jesus. columbia's on the move. isn't that '08 spread about the same as stanford's?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208861)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:02 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

wonder what their GPA is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208866)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:01 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208248)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:03 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

anyways, as I said, I am in for the money, so I don't have to go to law school if I have other options. Should I take the DAT and maybe apply to dental schools as well? I don't want to go to med school cause that takes too long.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208278)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:06 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

If you went to caltech, can't you get into trading or quantitative finance? That would be a much better financial bet than law school, even if the days of 300k bonuses for 23 year olds are over.

There are even tons of more finance/quantitative consulting shops that would pay you 70ish starting with constant progressions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208315)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:07 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

bad lifestyle/job security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208333)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:09 PM
Author: 180 up-to-no-good spot keepsake machete

False, dood - especially with the more niche consulting/finance jobs, many of which would salivate over some caltech wiz kid.

Better than biglaw hours, and if you've been paying attention, biglaw job security is a thing of the past anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208366)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:10 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

well, Y/H/S will do fine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208378)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 4:06 PM
Author: Bespoke Principal's Office Marketing Idea

3.1 from caltech won't get you decent quant jobs

what major?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12209344)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:06 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

oh, and I am pretty sure that I can score an almost perfect score on any standardized test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208321)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:08 PM
Author: costumed athletic conference

you're running some kind of weird flame now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208345)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:08 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208353)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 4:03 PM
Author: crawly hairy legs

I suspect you're right. Try the MAT (Miller Analogies)--lotta fun, truly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12209306)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:07 PM
Author: Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency

how many different ways are you going to find to keep posting that 180?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208338)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:08 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

I posted two. That's it, dude. Jealous?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208348)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:10 PM
Author: Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency

i only took it once

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208381)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:11 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

and got 180?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208385)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:38 PM
Author: Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency

odd this has never come up here before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208653)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:10 PM
Author: scarlet supple pit

jealousy is an ugly thing, old friend. console youself with the fact that it is unlikely he will attend any of YHS, let alone two of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208379)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:27 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

tyty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208564)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:39 PM
Author: Vivacious Drunken National Security Agency

are you sure? and what happens when someone shows up here who went to all three? or to stanford and yale? or harvard and yale? will i be discarded like yesterday's newspaper?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208668)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:43 PM
Author: scarlet supple pit

i assume your pithy observations and off-hand slights will still have some sort of place here. i imagine you in a slightly ill-fitting emeritus role like kelly when valerie came to 90210, but perhaps I am not doing you justice and you will briefly form a robinson-duncanlike symbiosis before fading gracefully off into the sunset.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208697)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:35 PM
Author: mischievous new version

I think you have a great shot if you can come up with a decent "story." If you're straight from undergrad I say no (I didn't read the rest of the thread).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208626)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:37 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

yeah straight from undergrad, and what's worse is, I am a 22 year old kid from europe (international).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208647)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:59 PM
Author: mischievous new version

Well if you want HYS then take a few years off and do something kickass, like work for Obama, build robots, or the peace corps. Otherwise enjoy NYU :) But that's a great one too.

Try spinning the grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208831)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:00 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

I don't think I want to go to CCN. I would rather just apply to dental schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208843)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 2:50 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

barring a miracle from Y/H/S, I guess I am headed to dental school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208764)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:04 PM
Author: Provocative cruel-hearted casino mood

sometimes I forget I'm on XO, not CollegeConfidential

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208874)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 3:05 PM
Author: Canary fortuitous meteor

smartass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12208885)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 4:10 PM
Author: out-of-control theater stage skinny woman

do you have to declare race on your app at HYS? i know you don't have to at boalt, but i forget if this is a matter of public vs private or what.

if you don't, just write some bullshit essay about growing up in the hood with jamal and shadequa, and how jamal got capped while on his way to take his SAT, and you want to go to law school to make sure this type of injustice - and the injustice demonstrated by your racist professors' grading policies - is stamped out forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12209392)



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Date: July 10th, 2009 4:10 PM
Author: pea-brained orange shrine

It is silly to "only" go to HYS for law school. Anyway, unless you're an SF officer or something, CCN is the absolute ceiling here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12209393)



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Date: July 11th, 2009 10:47 AM
Author: marvelous massive ceo

This guy is the biggest fag flame ever. First off, I'm on Wall St. and I had to read ur crap and not be able to post due to every firm's compliance laws. Friday at noon till 2-3pm there is no way ur sitting around on ur ass posting this shit and even backoffice works on fridays and couldn't pull this stunt off. Second, as a first year you are not pulling 80k base, the standard was 60k which will now be moved to 70k. Plus, caltech is small as shit and first years would not be hard to find nor do my firm nor other BBs have first year caltech engineering kids. Unless you're at a shitty boutique (and lying about your salary) that's pretty unlikely.

Also, you don't want to stay in finance because you don't see a career in it, yet you are "in it for the money". No one who is doing well (80k first year) on Wall St. is thinking about anything else than making a 50k bonus or furthering their career on Wall St. They certainly don't post around a goddamn msg board at 2pm on Friday trying to go to law school AND dental school (are u fucking shitting me with the dental school).

Finally, you know shit about finance and Wall St. You shot down quant/consulting shops saying "bad lifestyle and job security". Those 2 reasons are actually WHY people do it besides banking's 90 hour weeks. Those who want an easier lifestyle and better job security (ITE) pick quant positions (security) or consulting (better lifestyle 9-5ish). Seriously you are a huge fucking dumbass with less knowledge of the finance field than college sophs/juniors who come at me with their resumes. I hope you did get a 180 because you are going to fucking need it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12215081)



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Date: July 11th, 2009 11:00 AM
Author: Rusted sexy community account

Harsh but fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12215111)



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Date: July 11th, 2009 11:04 AM
Author: abusive glassy bawdyhouse

He also seems to have attributed several posters' stories to the OP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#12215117)



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Date: June 11th, 2011 5:50 AM
Author: saffron theater

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#18219827)



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Date: June 11th, 2011 5:50 AM
Author: saffron theater

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#18219828)



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Date: June 11th, 2011 5:50 AM
Author: saffron theater

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1038215&forum_id=2#18219829)