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Worst Law Schools in the Country. NEW RANKING!
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:07 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma The Worst Law Schools in the Country!
1 100 Texas Southern University (Thurgood Marshall)1 143.5 1.55
2 98 Thomas M. Cooley Law School (MI) 145 1.5
3 89 Southern University 1 (LA) 146 1.6
4 88 Florida Coastal School of Law 151.5 1.35
5 81 Thomas Jefferson School of Law (CA) 151.5 1.45
6 80 St. Thomas University (FL) 150 1.55
7 80 Texas Wesleyan University 152 1.45
8 78 Touro College (Jacob D. Fuchsberg) (NY) 149.5 1.6
9 77 Oklahoma City University 148 1.7
10 77 Regent University (VA) 151 1.55
11 77 Roger Williams University (RI) 151 1.55
12 72 Western New England College (MA) 152.5 1.55
13 70 Golden Gate University (CA) 151 1.65
14 70 Mississippi College 149 1.75
15 70 University of Detroit Mercy 150 1.7
16 70 Whittier Law School (CA) 151 1.65
17 67 Chapman University (CA) 156 1.45
18 67 Nova Southeastern University (FL) 149 1.8
19 66 South Texas College of Law 151.5 1.7
20 64 California Western School of Law 153 1.65
21 64 North Carolina Central University 1 148 1.9
22 64 Northern Kentucky University (Chase) 152 1.7
23 61 St. Mary's University (TX) 152 1.75
24 59 New England School of Law (MA) 151.5 1.8
25 59 Ohio Northern University 150.5 1.85
26 53 CUNY – Queens College 150.5 1.95
27 52 Capital University (OH) 152 1.9
28 52 University of Baltimore 153 1.85
29 50 Northern Illinois University 155.5 1.75
30 50 Quinnipiac University (CT) 152.5 1.9
31 48 Campbell University (NC) 155 1.8
32 47 University of Tulsa (OK) 149.5 2.1
33 47 Widener University (DE/PA) 151.5 2
34 47 Texas Tech University 152.5 1.95
35 45 John Marshall Law School (IL) 153 1.95
36 45 University of Dayton (OH) 152 2
37 44 Hamline University (MN) 152.5 2
38 44 Franklin Pierce Law Center (NH) 152.5 2
39 42 University of South Dakota 151 2.1
40 39 University of North Dakota 151 2.15
41 39 Cleveland State University (Marshall) 152 2.1
42 36 Albany Law School-Union University (NY) 153 2.1
43 36 Pace University (NY) 154 2.05
44 36 Samford University (Cumberland) (AL) 154 2.05
45 36 Southwestern University School of Law (CA) 157 1.9
46 34 Suffolk University (MA) 155.5 2
47 34 Southern Illinois University – Carbondale 152.5 2.15
48 33 University of Akron (OH) 157 1.95
49 33 University of Memphis 155 2.05
50 31 University of Arkansas – Little Rock (Bowen) 153.5 2.15
51 31 Washburn University (KS) 152.5 2.2
52 31 West Virginia University 152.5 2.2
53 30 University of Wyoming 153 2.2
54 30 Duquesne University (PA) 154 2.15
55 28 Gonzaga University (WA) 152.5 2.25
56 28 Loyola University – New Orleans 152.5 2.25
57 28 Stetson University (FL) 152.5 2.25
58 28 University of Idaho 154.5 2.15
59 27 New York Law School 155 2.15
60 25 Michigan State Univ. – DCL Col. of Law 155.5 2.15
61 25 Creighton University (NE) 151.5 2.35
62 25 Howard University (DC) 151.5 2.35
63 25 University of the Pacific (McGeorge) (CA) 156.5 2.1
64 23 Valparaiso University (IN) 154 2.25
65 23 William Mitchell College of Law (MN) 156 2.15
66 19 Willamette University (OR) 154.5 2.3
67 17 Vermont Law School 153 2.4
68 16 Drake University (IA) 154.5 2.35
69 8 University of Maine 156 2.4
70 6 DePaul University (IL) 156.5 2.4
71 6 Syracuse University (NY) 152.5 2.6
72 5 Wayne State University (MI) 155 2.5
73 0 Penn State University (Dickinson School of Law) 154.5 2.6
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:09 PM Author: violet pontificating place of business space NC Central is ranked WAY too high. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620424) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:14 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma You don't think it's the 21st worst law school? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620446) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:09 PM Author: Gaped School Cafeteria Gaming Laptop Do they even let you graduate with a 1.5 GPA? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620425) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:10 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma That's the reputation score. Sorry I didn't get my methodology up faster. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620430) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:09 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma Subject: ...METHODOLOGY... The schools were ranked based on the average of their 25th and 75th percentile LSAT scores plus 20 times the average of their reputation scores.
The scores were then normalized to 100 and ranked with the lowest score being 100 and the highest score being 0.
The first number is the school's rank. The second number is the normalized score. The numbers following the schools are the average of the 25th and 75th LSAT and the average reputation score.
Edit: The schools and information were taken from USNews' list of 3rd and 4th tier schools. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:10 PM Author: Gaped School Cafeteria Gaming Laptop Ah. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620431) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:10 PM Author: Black bawdyhouse queen of the night You forgot Penn (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620429) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 6:51 PM Author: vermilion territorial plaza I call bullshit.
If you include number of students and library square footage, Cooley would be ranked much higher. |
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Date: September 13th, 2008 9:05 AM Author: Bisexual wonderful yarmulke rehab Regent is the worst law school in the country. Thurgood Marshall is Harvard compared to Regent. Only reason to go to Regent is if you are a fundie and want to spend your whole career in fundie non-profits. Job prospects are zero and nobody will ever respect you or think you are a real lawyer. At least the other schools get some respect. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#10156086) |
Date: November 8th, 2004 4:14 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma Subject: Bad schools with high LSATs... Having a predicted LSAT median of 157, Southwestern University School of Law (CA) and University of Akron (OH) are our high LSAT winners!
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:15 PM Author: Stirring Orchid Internal Respiration Market i call bullshit.
remember, there are pleanty of non-ABA approved law schools in the country. these ones are all ABA approved, at least.
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:22 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma My list is a list of bad law schools that still (could) lead to practicing law anywhere in the country. This is partly because information on the other schools is unavailable.
If you don't like my rankings, you're free to Leiter it up and make your own rankings. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:23 PM Author: Stirring Orchid Internal Respiration Market i know people who went to non-ABA schools and have still been practicing for years (some making tons of money)
own up to it. you're rankings research is just lazy. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:33 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma They can't practice anywhere in the country. This is a national site, silly. We don't want regional rankings here. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620544) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:36 PM Author: Stirring Orchid Internal Respiration Market i would think that not being able to practice anywhere in the country would be one of the things that seperates the worst from the rest.
again, your rankings do not rank the worst, just the worst that are easy to look up. if you want to start limiting which schools to include in the worst to schools that are better than the worst, then go ahead, but you should just accept the fact that your rankings are lazy and move on.
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:52 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma "you should just accept the fact that your rankings are lazy and move on."
Lazy + national in scope = amazing. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:19 PM Author: cordovan theater stage marketing idea Well then, dont mind if I do...
1) Cooley 2) Cooley 3) Cooley 4) Cooley 5) Concord Online Law School |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:27 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma Texas Southern and its stellar LSAT belong in there somewhere. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620902) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:35 PM Author: cordovan theater stage marketing idea True, but the very fact that Cooley publishes its own bullshit rankings confirms its status as the ultimate TTT.
However, TSU could move up on Concord for 5th worst. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:47 PM Author: soul-stirring station Why not look at bar passage rate as well? Even if an entering LSAT range was low, a bar passage rate could say something different about a particular school. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620647) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:53 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma "Why not look at bar passage rate as well?"
Because all bar exams are not created equal. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:02 PM Author: soul-stirring station So, it is what matters in the end. Besides, the school's bar passage rate can be representive of the bar exams from several states. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620738) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:06 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma "Besides, the school's bar passage rate can be representive of the bar exams from several states."
TTTs are too local for that. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:18 PM Author: soul-stirring station Actually, TTT's are very representive of out of state bar exams. People end up there because they couldn't get in anywhere else which often includes your home state. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620831) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:20 PM Author: duck-like seedy organic girlfriend locus The bar passage rate for school is the pass rate where most take the bar. Vermont for example never seems to use VT bar. NY or Mass I think. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620843) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:26 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma Wrong on all counts.
TTTs are more local. They more strongly tend to attract local students. They more strongly tend to keep students in the area.
And the bar exams vary widely.
If you disagree, in normalized terms relevant to the entire ranking, tell me what the bar passage rate at Texas Southern means relative to the par passage rates at Cooley and California Western. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:34 PM Author: soul-stirring station I don't think the bar passage rates at Texas Southern and Cooley would necessarily be that different. But I see other schools on your list that have drastically different bar passage rates from Cooley or Texas Southern. If I am completely wrong, I will admit it, but I always thought the bar passage rate for the school reflected the bar passage rates of that particular school's students. I'm not sure what else you are saying it is.
I just disagree in general with saying that TTT's don't have a lot of out of state students. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:48 PM Author: Opaque Zombie-like Ladyboy which one do you go to mobi? you ttt poster (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620654) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:54 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma I sit right behind you at Florida Coastal. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620683) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:57 PM Author: Opaque Zombie-like Ladyboy the only difference is that I act like I go there so I can talk to some fine latina chicks and you're actually taking notes 'cause you go there. you ttt you. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620702) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:59 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma Of course I take notes. I later use them as leverage to gather an orgy of those same fine Latina chicks. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620716) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 4:59 PM Author: duck-like seedy organic girlfriend locus 73?
Why not do the top 200 worst? We could just read the US news upside down.
Find a sex partner, a hobby, and some self esteem.
Some of these laws schools are really good law schools. That is true no matter what this tool thinks. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:00 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma "We could just read the US news upside down."
Nope. Tiers 3 and 4 aren't ranked.
"Some of these laws schools are really good law schools."
Like which ones? |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:11 PM Author: duck-like seedy organic girlfriend locus Syracuse, Vermont, Maine, Creighton... not many but some.
Not supreme court clerk good but not many are. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:22 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma I don't see what you're bitching about. Those are at the bottom of the list. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620861) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:26 PM Author: duck-like seedy organic girlfriend locus "worst" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620896) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:30 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma Boo hoo.
It's better than being at the top of the list.
Even if they're "good" in some sort of warped absolute sense, that doesn't change their relative rankings. |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:31 PM Author: duck-like seedy organic girlfriend locus Where Thurgood Marshall's name is... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620933) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:34 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma WTF? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620946) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:29 PM Author: Flesh Fragrant Karate South texas and Tech are good options in Texas. Not so good if you have options outside of the Lone Star State. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1620920) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 5:57 PM Author: Titillating native clown Ha. Is Creighton actually pronounced "cretin"? I've always thought about how funny that'd be. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1621096) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 7:01 PM Author: thriller milk box office I've heard it pronounced "Cray-ton" (at least by someone I knew who applied to dental school there). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1621439) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 6:59 PM Author: swashbuckling abnormal boiling water And somehow 99% of the people at these schools find more intelligent uses for their time than the OP. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1621430) |
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Date: November 8th, 2004 7:41 PM Author: jet set friendly grandma With 148s? Not likely. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#1621688) |
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Date: September 12th, 2008 11:25 PM Author: Indigo racy keepsake machete twinkling uncleanness Bump. Lulz. I am laughing at these horrible schools 1) because they are horrible and 2) because I don't feel good about myself. That is why everyone on this board cares about TTTs. If we were normal, we wouldn't really care. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#10155260) |
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Date: September 12th, 2008 11:46 PM Author: Grizzly appetizing blood rage lay lulz. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#10155365) |
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Date: September 13th, 2008 12:17 AM Author: Talented crackhouse idiot lol (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#10155459) |
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Date: September 12th, 2008 11:37 PM Author: Olive impertinent french chef Appropriate that this guy is ranking TTTs, because that's truly a TTT methodology he used. I could think of about ten different and superior and far more representative ways to do this, but I have a life and don't give a shit.
Most likely created by some insecure T40 level douche who got a B in stats and totally thought he pwn3d the lsat with a smoking 161. |
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Date: September 12th, 2008 11:51 PM Author: Slate stubborn therapy multi-billionaire The OP was among the smartest posters we had for several years.
In any event, why are you defending those TTTs? You went to one, didn't you?
P.S. LOL @ your taking all this way too seriously. |
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Date: September 12th, 2008 11:39 PM Author: Copper sound barrier There are actually law schools that will take you with a sub-150 LSAT? I wonder if they issue drool bibs at orientation?
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Date: September 12th, 2008 11:43 PM Author: maniacal ticket booth i didn't even know cuny queens had a law school. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=105009&forum_id=2#10155354) |
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Date: September 13th, 2008 12:19 AM Author: Talented crackhouse idiot How was Fordham left off of this list?
It must have been a better school four years ago. |