Date: July 26th, 2009 3:42 AM Author: bright deranged crackhouse psychic
The Orthodox Church is as big on lengthy rituals as Catholics are. Protestants are the only ones who are hugely lax on ceremony. That's what I thought you meant.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:10 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
catholics don't worship mary smart guy, they believe that mary is a saint who is in heaven and who can therefore intervene on their behalf up there if they pray to her for help. catholics are big on the whole "going through intermediary channels instead of asking god directly" (see: confession, praying to saints, etc.) because they see it as a sign of humility before a presence as awesome and inexplicable as God, but that doesn't mean they "worship" priests or saints or mary.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:11 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
i'm not a catholic, im just not an ignorant dipshit who doesn't know anything about the basic tenents of the world's most popular and influential christian religon either
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:15 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
As I said, the praying is actually structured as asking the saint to pray for you. People have representations of all kinds of figures who they don't worship.
Offering sacrifices...? Do you mean lighting a candle?
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:20 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
Using someone as a model of behavior, you mean? I don't consider that worship, since we do that all the time in secular life.
That's not all that common, and also isn't worship. If I offer to pay for a party celebrating your retirement or donate to charity in honor of my dead relative, is that worship?
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:23 AM Author: frozen red field volcanic crater
Ah, but the Church encourages you to worship a small group of people. They regularly invoke their name in their sermons & festivities. Plus, they refer to them as saints. We in the secular world never call people this.
btw: You are taking what I am saying and just making comparisions to everyday life. You are not addressing the substantive issue.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:14 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
no, saying praying to mary = worshipping mary is kind of like saying that calling up your long time trusted family dentist and asking for a referral to a good orthodontist is the same thing as "going to your dentist to get braces." it's a gross and very misleading oversimplification that no one who is knowledgable would ever make.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:20 AM Author: frozen red field volcanic crater
So if I start an organization that prays to a dead person to do something on my behalf, I am not worshipping them? What about if I put representations of this person throughout the building?
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:23 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
k i think we're done here mostly because I'm not actually Catholic so frankly I don't give a shit, but for the record you seem like a very cool and edgy guy; it must be super hard to poke holes at the tenents of Catholicism on the internet, I've never seen it done before.
(We get it, religion is a crock and there is no God and Logical Reasoning is all that matters, etc.)
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:35 AM Author: Cordovan forum
the idea that some dude in 1500 found out that people had been doing Christianity all wrong from the very beginning is about as believable as Joseph Smith being a prophet
if Christianity is right, then praying to Saints is ok
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:08 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
I was looking at the stained glass and the altar. Some of the newer churches have the statues and such in the corners. But you're right on the cross, I didn't notice that.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:03 AM Author: titillating slippery hall haunted graveyard
Wrong. Americans are too quick to cheapen everything they can get their hands on. There's something to be said about formality, observing tradition. Keep your fucking hands at your sides when you're being married.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:06 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
This is actually credited, weddings are NOT and never have been primarily for the people getting married - weddings are really for the friends and family of the lucky couple, especially the older ones who want to see their beloved youngsters get hitched and pop a few out already so they can die in peace feeling like their lives had meaning and content in knowing that their bloodlines will live on.
Seeing as how most old people like traditional things done in traditional ways, I think for most young couples this would be a pretty fucked up thing to do at their wedding. Maybe this couple was the rare exception, but I think in general it would really bother old people and cheapen the experience for them, and seeing as how they are the real audience that the wedding is being done for that's pretty fucked.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:08 AM Author: titillating slippery hall haunted graveyard
Exactly. If I were that girl's father I would make her sorry for the quiet insult felt by at least half the people there. It's selfish, crass and not even full throated.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:10 AM Author: Stirring native
fuck you and the horse you rode in on. NO ONE LIKES WEDDINGS except for the bride and the mother of the bride. HTFH, broad. Kudos to people who try to make it slightly less miserable for everyone in attendance.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:18 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
are you a fucking idiot?
OLD PEOPLE LOVE TO SEE THEIR GRANDCHILDREN/GREAT GRANDCHILDREN/GRAND NEPHEWS/GRAND NIECES/ETC ETC get married.
You must seriously, honest to god be a fucking Aspbergers case not to know that. Everyone who knows anything about IRL and The Real World knows who and what weddings are for: the bride and her mom, but most importantly A TON OF OLD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.
And by and large, old people like tradition and are set in their ways and don't like to see pop-locking going on during a "sacred", once-in-a-lifetime (hopefully) proceeding. This is not rocket science genius, pointing out that the old people in this particular video seemed into it doesn't really refute that very well.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:25 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
yfwgi
I'm sure you'll be blazing phat bowls at the afterparty and your awesome grandma will be toking next to you, etc, man I wish I were cool like you, etc, etc.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:29 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
Of course, I'm dumb and you're smart.
For the record tho, maybe you'll do a poor dumb like me favor and give me a ballpark estimate of what % of olds in this country are "cool" enough to enjoy seeing their own granddaughter boogie down the aisle at her wedding. 60%? 70%? 80%?
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:21 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
Yeah all white people are like "fuck what grandma thinks, old fucking biddy."
Or, you know, some white people actually love their family and appreciate that the ceremony = for the olds, the reception = for the youngs, and act accordingly.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:25 AM Author: Vibrant Naked Gas Station Chad
They're probably fun, laidback, and not too religious. Old people like this do exist. They're not all boring old-people stereotypes like your grandparents.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:31 AM Author: Vibrant Naked Gas Station Chad
Aah, so you have nothing more to say so you decide you want to attack me? Ding faggot, I am flawless.
I have been a huge proponent of Chris Rock's "Black People vs. Niggers" routine. I believe that niggerism, which is a mentality of willful ignorance, is a social disease.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:15 AM Author: out-of-control lake tanning salon
oh i have plenty of guy friends, all HUGE fans of our CFB, and despite 6 weddings so far NONE have married during the season. I suspect the rest one either.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:05 AM Author: ocher shitlib whorehouse
this has literally all the indicia of something i would completely despise. yet somehow i came away feeling pretty touched. even more inexplicably, i think this may have something to do with the choice of 'forever'.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:16 AM Author: ocher shitlib whorehouse
yeah but seriously america is a country full of dumbs that generally like retarded dumb shit. see, e.g., reality tv shows. but on the merits i do appreciate the video.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:24 AM Author: ocher shitlib whorehouse
pointless traditions and norms are the basis for all civilized societies.
it could be that the same mass mentality fueling this video's popularity also drives faggots to believe that click-clacking around in flip-flops is ok. but really i think people like the video because it's actually charming.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:24 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
they're clearly middle class and educated. if blacks did it, there would be people screaming, it would be in a storefront baptist church, and it would be shot on a camera phone with mumbled narration from cousin rary-ray, fresh out the pen.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:26 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
They are clearly middle class and educated?
I missed the part where they flashed their University of Minnesota diplomas and their tax returns.
"if blacks did it, there would be people screaming, it would be in a minimall baptist church, and it would be shot in a camera phone with mumbled narration from cousin rary-ray, fresh out the pen."
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:29 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"I missed the part where they flashed their University of Minnesota diplomas and their tax returns."
lol, the black guy wants to see some ID. it's pretty weird though how sometimes through obvious social signaling and other indicators that you can tell if somebody is poor, middle class, or wealthy without even needing to see some paper credentials. it happens, every once in a while at least.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:30 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"lol, the black guy wants to see some ID. it's pretty weird though how sometimes through obvious social signaling and other indicators that you can tell if somebody is poor, middle class, or wealthy without even needing to see some paper credentials. it happens, every once in a while at least."
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:35 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
question: you see a black wedding ceremony - can you make some very reasonable inference about the economic standing of the majority of those in attendance base on what you see?
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:43 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
let me walk you through this, tard. You see nothing in the video but white people acting like clowns on their wedding day. That, in and of itself, is a severe departure from white middle class norms. Also, you see extremely cheap looking clothing. Her dress looks like it was second hand. The bridesmaids dresses look very cheap as well. The groom is wearing a 3 dollar outfit. His friends' suits were probably half that.
The church looked run-down. There was minimal decoration. It looked sad.
Yet, you somehow get middle class and educated. Not sure where you pull that from. Also, you're a bigot for allowing white middle class and educated folk to have a wedding of this nature, but if they were black, they must be ghetto trash.
You're clearly flame, but you're stupid flame. Get lost; you got your ass rhetorically kicked. Respond with more racist drivel.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:47 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
okay le chic, i will substantively respond to every point you think you're making in that post if you answer the question i originally asked instead of spending 600 words dodging it:
"question: you see a black wedding ceremony - can you make some very reasonable inference about the economic standing of the majority of those in attendance base on what you see?"
answer that, and i'll happily rebut everything you said.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:50 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
You can't rebut a thing. Moreover, you don't dictate conversation to me. Last, your question is irrelevant to your racist post supra. Answer your own fucking question, bigot.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:53 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"You can't rebut a thing."
yes i can, very easily, actually.
"Moreover, you don't dictate conversation to me."
lol le chic, are you afraid to answer the question or what?
"Last, your question is irrelevant to your racist post supra. Answer your own fucking question, bigot."
the question has nothing to do with race - it's about the simple ability to make class observations (which, by the way, you said i couldn't possibly make from the video though you proceeded to do the same exactly one post later) based on obvious signals and cues. i stipulated a black wedding since i assume it's what you're most experienced with, but you can make it anybody's wedding if you like.
go on, answer the question and i'll happily rebut. why are you afraid?
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:58 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"yes i can, very easily, actually."
No, you can't.
"lol le chic, are you afraid to answer the question or what?"
Not le chic.
"the question has nothing to do with race - it's about the simple ability to make class observations (which, by the way, you said i couldn't possibly make from the video though you proceeded to do the same exactly one post later) based on obvious signals and cues. i stipulated a black wedding since i assume it's what you're most experienced with, but you can make it anybody's wedding if you like."
I was knocking down your position that they were "obviously educated and middle class." I have no clue; but there was much in that video to suggest that they were poor. Unless there is something obvious, like a cheap ass wedding look, you can't tell based on such scant evidence.
"go on, answer the question and i'll happily rebut. why are you afraid?"
Answer your own fucking question. I don't cooperate with posters who say racist shit in one post, and then make a black joke about ID. So, yah, answer your own fucking question.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:06 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
LMFAO - i see you took the liberty of editing out your comment to the effect of, "it's impossible for you to make any judgments about their class from that video."
how low can you go, le chic? jesus, i actually chortled out loud when i saw that.
"No, you can't."
sure i can, i'll do it right after i finish this post since you went back and edit, and yet are still inexplicably dodging my simple question in a most pathetic fashion.
"I have no clue"
really? because you labeled them ghetto poors and went on to offer your observations as to why this is the case.
"but there was much in that video to suggest that they were poor. Unless there is something obvious, like a cheap ass wedding look, you can't tell based on such scant evidence."
lulz, i'll just address this by rebutting your joke of a post. nice to see you already slowly backpedaling from your earlier stance though.
"Answer your own fucking question. I don't cooperate with posters who say racist shit in one post, and then make a black joke about ID. So, yah, answer your own fucking question."
completely pathetic - how many excuses will you make to dodge this? you can interact with a clear brutal and unrelenting racist such as myself this long, but answering a simple, simple question is beyond the pale? le chic, how can we make progress as a nation unless we can work together, especially on the internet?
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:13 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"LMFAO - i see you took the liberty of editing out your comment to the effect of, "it's impossible for you to make any judgments about their class from that video."
how low can you go, le chic? jesus, i actually chortled out loud when i saw that."
I never passed judgment on their socio economic status.
"really? because you labeled them ghetto poors and went on to offer your observations as to why this is the case."
You're clearly stupid. I called them "ghetto poors" not because I thought they were actually ghetto and poor, but because if the same video was posted, but the people in the video were black, they would have been described as "ghetto poors".
"lulz, i'll just address this by rebutting your joke of a post. nice to see you already slowly backpedaling from your earlier stance though."
What backpeddling?
"completely pathetic - how many excuses will you make to dodge this? you can interact with a clear brutal and unrelenting racist such as myself this long, but answering a simple, simple question is beyond the pale? le chic, how can we make progress as a nation unless we can work together, especially on the internet?"
I'll talk to a racist for a little while, but stupid people get ignored. You have shown yourself to be completely dumb, so I don't think you'll be getting much attention after this.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:53 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
You didn't pwn me. I don't get pwn3d. It's been made clear that you couldn't back up your statement that they were clearly educated and middle class. Your own thread shows that most people were in doubt. I described a competing narrative to explain their SES. You were wrong. Pwn3d!
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:58 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"You didn't pwn me. I don't get pwn3d."
lmao, le chic would never say a thing like that?
"It's been made clear that you couldn't back up your statement that they were clearly educated and middle class."
the video says they met at college you idiot. they're white people in minnesota with college educations - without even seeing the video we can assume there's about a 90% likelihood that they're middle class. the video just confirms it.
"Your own thread shows that most people were in doubt"
how does almost everybody agreeing that they're educated and not "ghetto poors" in any way suggest doubt?
"I described a competing narrative to explain their SES"
you suggested that the church was not 'aesthetically pleasing' and then refused to say why this was the case. that's not a competing narrative - that's a stupid person flailing for words.
"You were wrong. Pwn3d!"
you're embarrassing yourself worse than usual le chic, not that i don't enjoy the effort.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:03 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"the video says they met at college you idiot. they're white people in minnesota with college educations - without even seeing the video we can assume there's about a 90% likelihood that they're middle class. the video just confirms it."
Dude, you're stupid. You said there was something in the video to state that they were "clearly" educated and middle class. What they say in an interview that is unrelated to the 5 minute clip is irrelevant, stupid.
"how does almost everybody agreeing that they're educated and not "ghetto poors" in any way suggest doubt?"
Stupid. We weren't arguing if they were "ghetto poors". stupid. We were arguing if they were "clearly educated and middle class" stupid. Do you have proof of that? You still haven't given any.
"you suggested that the church was not 'aesthetically pleasing' and then refused to say why this was the case. that's not a competing narrative - that's a stupid person flailing for words."
Dude, I gave a long list which you quoted before, stupid. Now I said nothing else, stupid? Nice try, stupid.
"you're embarrassing yourself worse than usual le chic, not that i don't enjoy the effort."
You enjoy getting ripped to shreds? You should as it happens often I bet. Pwn3d!
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:05 AM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground parlour
I would say that "clear" and "certain" are very different concepts. For instance, in legal usage "clear and convincing" isn't even as strong as "beyond reasonable doubt," which itself isn't even as strong as "certain."
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:33 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
how is that a change of statement - it's exactly what i said in the post.
"take it like a man. im sure you take it often."
as an opponent of racism, don't you think it's bad idea to publicize the fact that because of their deeply backwards cultural leanings and religiously bigoted nature, american blacks tend to be deeply homophobic? it's an issue that has a very negative impact on your community - for shame!
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:35 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
There's nothing wrong with being gay. There is something wrong with getting pwn3d though. You're my slave.
You changed your statement. That much is "clear" LMAO. Before you said it was "clearly" meaning to anyone. If this was a personal thing why not just say its clear to me in the begining? cause thats not what you meant.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:49 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"There's nothing wrong with being gay"
then why do you use it as an insult, le chic? we always knew you were bigoted, but usually you're a little less obvious about things.
"There is something wrong with getting pwn3d though. You're my slave."
more classic le chic. you're like a little kid.
"You changed your statement. That much is "clear" LMAO"
are you actually attempting to argue that there's a substantive rhetorical difference between 'clear' and 'clearly?' this is how low you'll sink to pretend you didn't make an ass of yourself here? wow.
"If this was a personal thing why not just say its clear to me in the begining? cause thats not what you meant."
how can you really know what my intention was from my post? how can you be sure? i am arguing that you can't possibly know that simply from what i wrote. pwn pwn pwn, you are my slave, etc.
see how you're devolving further and further into self-parody here? well, probably you don't, but trust me, it's happening.
"pwn3d!"
one more time for good measure eh? do you actually feel better when you type that in? like a coping mechanism?
Date: July 26th, 2009 2:02 PM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
Dude, you have been a rhetorical embarrassment in this entire thread. You have been switching your statements, acting as though probably =/ clearly. You're just a mess. And you know you're wrong too. That's why you incessantly reply back to someone you think is soooo stupid. Well I just ripped you a new one. Get lost, bitch.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:14 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
You said they were "clearly educated and middle class". The people in that thread express doubt. Probably =/ clearly. And since that is your proof that you were right, and it backs up my position, not yours, I guess you were the one who just lost.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:22 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
for the sake of argument, le chic, what is the evidence that they're poor and uneducated?
we can safely assume they're not wealthy (i mean, what with that rundown church that doesn't even have decorations!), so they're either middle class or poor. we already know they're educated, and so i'll say that the dress of the guests, the fact that most college-educated white people from the st. paul aren't "poors," the fact they enjoy a hipster sensibility, and the fact that their families paid for a decently-sized church wedding are all indicators that we're not dealing with white trash.
i'd also note that virtually everybody in that thread agree with me.
if they're not middle class and i'm wrong - then what are the obvious signals that they're poor? they're one or the other, so please make the case that these people are poor.
we know that you were disappointed that there we no 'decorations' in the church, but do you have anything else to point to? disprove that they're middle-class and educated kids.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:27 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"i'd also note that virtually everybody in that thread agree with me."
No they didn't. You said clearly. I said they were not clearly. Most people in that said they were not clearly educated and middle class. I never said what their socio economic status was. You did.
"we know that you were disappointed that there we no 'decorations' in the church, but do you have anything else to point to? disprove that they're middle-class and educated kids.
"
Don't try to move the goal posts. It's clear that you're a beaten man. You got pwn3d. I know it hurts. But I never said what they were. I honestly don't care. You said they were clearly educated and middle class. Your own thread proves my point that there was enough doubt. You were wrong. You got pwn3d. I pwn people often.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:45 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"No they didn't."
yes, they did. they said yes or probably in almost every case, meaning they see the same obvious social indicators.
"I said they were not clearly"
you also argued that there was good evidence that they're poor at several points. people in the thread agreed that observable evidence indicates they're not poor, but what's your take? they're poor or middle class - which is it? why do you keep dodging this?
"Don't try to move the goal posts."
why are you dodging my question? that has nothing to do with goalposts. why are you evasive every time i ask you to answer a simple a question?
*awaits pathetic excuse about interacting with racists followed by another 500 word post in which you interact with an accused racist*
"It's clear that you're a beaten man. You got pwn3d. I know it hurts"
saying as such doesn't make it so, but we've established by way of example that you think like a child, so wish away.
"But I never said what they were. I honestly don't care"
now you are in fact moving the uprights, again. you're arguing against my assertion, but attempting to claim some point of victory over having not stated their class explicitly. the funny thing is, you did do this by proxy, you're just too dumb to understand it. you made the argument that there are signs of poorness - if they're not middle class, they're poor - and you're dumb.
"You said they were clearly educated and middle class"
i did indeed. most everybody else agreed with me.
"Your own thread proves my point that there was enough doubt"
in what way does one guy asking where they're from indicate any consensus of doubt?
"You were wrong"
my assertion that they were educated was directly proven correct - the rest is a 99% likelihood - they could be wealthy and just modest, so i leave that 1% possibility.
"You got pwn3d. I pwn people often."
this thread has been you performing a clinic in how not to pwn.
"Also, I'm not le chic."
yeah, uh, le chic, word to the wise - the childish need to proclaim how hard you're pwning after every post doesn't exactly help make your megaposting less obvious.
Date: July 26th, 2009 2:08 PM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"yes, they did. they said yes or probably in almost every case, meaning they see the same obvious social indicators."
You said they were clearly educated and middle class. The people in your thread said "probably." They expressed doubt. You didn't. I was arguing there was nothing in the video that necessarily meant they were educated and middle class. The people sided with me.
"you also argued that there was good evidence that they're poor at several points. people in the thread agreed that observable evidence indicates they're not poor, but what's your take? they're poor or middle class - which is it? why do you keep dodging this?"
Stupid, do you still not see the argument we were having. It's like you don't even know what the point of this was. You said they were "clearly middle class and educated." I made the argument so as to offer a plausible scenario that they weren't, stupid. This "counter narrative" could put doubt in people's head. After seeing the video, it would make them say they were not clearly educated but something less than that; they'd use a word expressing doubt, stupid. Which the people in this thread did, stupid.
"i did indeed. most everybody else agreed with me."
THE PEOPLE EXPRESSED DOUBT WHICH IS INCONGRUOUS WITH CLEARLY, STUPID!!!!!! lmao I'll repeat. THE PEOPLE EXPRESSED DOUBT WHICH IS INCONGRUOUS WITH CLEARLY, STUPID!!!!!!
"in what way does one guy asking where they're from indicate any consensus of doubt?"
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:31 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"I never passed judgment on their socio economic status."
classic. let's examine your words, yet again:
"You see nothing in the video but white people acting like clowns on their wedding day. That, in and of itself, is a severe departure from white middle class norms. Also, you see extremely cheap looking clothing. Her dress looks like it was second hand. The bridesmaids dresses look very cheap as well. The groom is wearing a 3 dollar outfit. His friends' suits were probably half that. The church looked run-down. There was minimal decoration. It looked sad."
so basically, you argue that they're having a cheap wedding because, in your estimation, the clothes and church look shabby and cheap.
"Yet, you somehow get middle class and educated"
so, since we agree they're probably not especially wealthy, we believe they're either lower class poors, or regular middle class and educated, which i assert. your above comment clearly indicates that you think its unreasonable to believe they're middle class, meaning you actually do think they're a bunch of poors carrying on. obviously you wouldn't have been as adamant about this point had you known that they met in college when you made the post, but you've already self-pwned enough that i don't need to rub it in.
"I called them "ghetto poors" not because I thought they were actually ghetto and poor, but because if the same video was posted, but the people in the video were black, they would have been described as "ghetto poors"."
funny that you state this after making an argument that they are in fact poor.
and as to the primary point, we would not have assumed they were poor from the dancing - that would have been laughed at as typical black hijinks. we would have assumed they were poor because they were black. the majority of black people in the US are poor - it's a very reasonable assumption.
"What backpeddling?"
the gentle thudding footfall of you creeping away from your angry assertion that i couldn't possibly make any accurate appraisal of their social class from the video - which you subsequently edited.
"I'll talk to a racist for a little while, but stupid people get ignored. You have shown yourself to be completely dumb, so I don't think you'll be getting much attention after this."
you only fuel racist leanings when you use it as an excuse to dodge the points that suit you. intellectually lazy and cowardly - doesn't say much for you le chic.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:50 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"so basically, you argue that they're having a cheap wedding because, in your estimation, the clothes and church look shabby and cheap."
Oh god, you're stupid. I said their wedding looked cheap. That could very well lead one to conclude that they might be poor. Yet, you stated conclusively that they were both educated and middle class. I never said that they were poor. I was arguing against your conclusory statement that you could ascertain their SES just from 5 minutes of dancing in a raggedy ass church.
I would respond point by point to your post, but its filled with poor reasoning skills similar to the one above. I'm too tired for this.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:03 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"I said their wedding looked cheap"
lulz - your exact comment was that the wedding party's clothing looked cheap and informal and that the church was "rundown." you have repeatedly stated that there is obvious evidence that they're poor, yet all you can come up with is you don't think their clothes looked right and some vague notion that the church wasn't up to snuff.
"Yet, you stated conclusively that they were both educated and middle class"
the bride and groom are educated - this is confirmed. middle class is a feature of a large church wedding, white people in the midwest, and the fact that they met at college.
"I was arguing against your conclusory statement that you could ascertain their SES just from 5 minutes of dancing in a raggedy ass church."
yet in nearly every post you have argued that you can somehow see obvious indicators that they're "ghetto poors." your lack of self-awareness is stunning, truly stunning.
"I would respond point by point to your post, but its filled with poor reasoning skills similar to the one above. I'm too tired for this."
objective reality translation: "i'm getting pwned and i don't know what to say, so i'll just excuse myself from further humiliation by saying i'm too tired."
thanks le chic - entertaining, as always, when you apply your tiny brain to an argument.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:04 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"yet in nearly every post you have argued that you can somehow see obvious indicators that they're "ghetto poors." your lack of self-awareness is stunning, truly stunning."
Where did I argue that they were ghetto poors. SHow me stupid.
Dude, you're getting your arguments conflated. You're making up arguments when they were never proffered. You're getting flustered because you're being anally raped.
Author: XOXO Racism Issue Spotter (You are now blessed)
That, in and of itself, is a severe departure from white middle class norms. Also, you see extremely cheap looking clothing. Her dress looks like it was second hand. The bridesmaids dresses look very cheap as well. The groom is wearing a 3 dollar outfit. His friends' suits were probably half that.
The church looked run-down. There was minimal decoration. It looked sad.
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Date: July 26th, 2009 3:43 AM
Author: XOXO Racism Issue Spotter (You are now blessed)
let me walk you through this, tard. You see nothing in the video but white people acting like clowns on their wedding day. That, in and of itself, is a severe departure from white middle class norms. Also, you see extremely cheap looking clothing. Her dress looks like it was second hand. The bridesmaids dresses look very cheap as well. The groom is wearing a 3 dollar outfit. His friends' suits were probably half that.
The church looked run-down. There was minimal decoration. It looked sad.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:20 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
Yes, stupid. The whole point of all of my posts, was to show your stupid stupidity stupid ass stupid self, that you could not say that they "clearly were educated and middle class." One could, as I did, point out stuff which would put doubt in a person's head as to the SES of the wedding party.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:31 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"was to show your stupid stupidity stupid ass stupid self"
le chic, did you forget that you're attempting to disguise the fact that you're a female when you use this moniker?
"that you could not say that they "clearly were educated and middle class"
but clearly, they are. we know they're educated. there are obvious signals that they're middle class. any reasonable person agrees with this. you're making an argument bordering on the philosophical that some things can never truly be known based on observable evidence.
here's a thought - i see a bird get sucked into a jet engine during a plane's takeoff. now, i didn't see the bird come out the other end nor did i see what happened in the jet engine - do i really know that the bird died in there? no, i guess i can't say with 100% heisenberg-proof certainty that it died. but i can be pretty fucking certain based on all common sense and reasonable experience.
lulz, so one guy asked what part of minnesota they were from, and rowan noted that just because a wedding was in st. paul doesn't mean they're all from saint paul. your level of desperation here is actually kind of satisfying to me.
"therein, many people say they can't clearly determine the education and income levels of the wedding participants. Lucky ME! I win!"
uh, no. they all say the same thing - probably. why? because they're seeing the same shit i am.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:33 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"but clearly, they are. we know they're educated. there are obvious signals that they're middle class. any reasonable person agrees with this. you're making an argument bordering on the philosophical that some things can never truly be known based on observable evidence."
You were wrong, dumbass. Your own thread shows there was doubt.
"uh, no. they all say the same thing - probably. why? because they're seeing the same shit i am."
LMAO. I love the world you live in where probably=clearly. Are there unicorns there and flying penises? I think thats why you stay there so often.
Date: July 26th, 2009 6:06 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"You were wrong, dumbass. Your own thread shows there was doubt."
no, in fact they all said i was probably correct.
"LMAO. I love the world you live in where probably=clearly. Are there unicorns there and flying penises? I think thats why you stay there so often"
here is an interesting example of le chic simultaneously displaying a very weak conceptual command of words (perhaps conflating them?) and further homophobia. colorful imagery though.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:18 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"You see nothing in the video but white people acting like clowns on their wedding day."
This is a hilarious way to open your statement, since you go on to observe quite a bit more than that and render judgment based on these observations. Apparently you have the ability to see what other can't. Impressive.
"That, in and of itself, is a severe departure from white middle class norms."
Hmm - so a departure from standard social norms. Well shit, such a thing has never been heard of, particularly not in educated white society. I suppose that's why non-poor white people never, ever have non-traditional weddings of any sort. I hadn't ever considered this potent piece of information.
"Also, you see extremely cheap looking clothing. Her dress looks like it was second hand. The bridesmaids dresses look very cheap as well. The groom is wearing a 3 dollar outfit. His friends' suits were probably half that."
They're hipsters you raving moron. Some of them are wearing aviators too - are they all pilots and state troopers? The look is intentional. Take a look at the people sitting in the pews if you want an indication of the actual social class of the wedding's participants.
"The church looked run-down. There was minimal decoration. It looked sad."
LOL - what evidence did you see that the church was "run-down?" Go ahead, show me some specifics le chic. How exactly was this place visibly dilapidated?
It's very standard Methodist/Lutheran Minnesota church, nothing more, nothing less, and the VAST majority of people attend those churches are nice middle class white folks with public college educations and wholesome midwestern lifestyles.
And decorations? This is white a wedding in Minnesota Le Chic - they don't put streamers up in the fucking church.
"Yet, you somehow get middle class and educated. Not sure where you pull that from."
There is vastly more evidence to suggest this than "ghetto poors."
"Also, you're a bigot for allowing white middle class and educated folk to have a wedding of this nature, but if they were black, they must be ghetto trash."
Lulz, allowing? These are regular middle class white people thumbing their noses at tradition and having fun with it - I do think it's goofy, and I'd say the same for blacks. The point of the matter is that nobody would be that surprised to see black people doing this, but it's remarkable that white's did it. That's not exactly racist as the assumption is made by your OP.
"You're clearly flame, but you're stupid flame. Get lost; you got your ass rhetorically kicked. Respond with more racist drivel."
ahh le chic - you try so hard, and succeed so rarely.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:33 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"This is a hilarious way to open your statement, since you go on to observe quite a bit more than that and render judgment based on these observations. Apparently you have the ability to see what other can't. Impressive."
The statement was right. You saw nothing in that video to conclusively say their socioeconomic status and their education level. If you said that you thought they were educated and middle class, that's another thing. But you had no proof.
"Hmm - so a departure from standard social norms. Well shit, such a thing has never been heard of, particularly not in educated white society. I suppose that's why non-poor white people never, ever have non-traditional weddings of any sort. I hadn't ever considered this potent piece of information."
You're stupid. People dancing to Chris Brown at a wedding is pretty buffoonish. Middle class folk don't typically act like buffoons at their weddings. Way to conflate the two.
"They're hipsters you raving moron. Some of them are wearing aviators too - are they all pilots and state troopers? The look is intentional. Take a look at the people sitting in the pews if you want an indication of the actual social class of the wedding's participants."
Who the fuck cares if they are hipsters? The aviators point is moronic as is looking to the people in the pews. We were talking about the wedding party moron.
"It's very standard Methodist/Lutheran Minnesota church, nothing more, nothing less, and the VAST majority of people attend those churches are nice middle class white folks with public college educations and wholesome midwestern lifestyles."
That is a very cheap looking church; a middle class family would have opted for a more aesthetically pleasing place to have their ceremony.
"And decorations? This is white a wedding in Minnesota Le Chic - they don't put streamers up in the fucking church"
I'm glad you know what white folk in Minnesota do at their weddings.
"There is vastly more evidence to suggest this than "ghetto poors.""
There was plenty of evidence to suggest they were ghetto poors.
"Lulz, allowing? These are regular middle class white people thumbing their noses at tradition and having fun with it - I do think it's goofy, and I'd say the same for blacks. The point of the matter is that nobody would be that surprised to see black people doing this, but it's remarkable that white's did it. That's not exactly racist as the assumption is made by your OP."
Re-read your post your racist prick. Ray-ray out of jail. camera phones, it was nothing but racist drivel.
"ahh le chic - you try so hard, and succeed so rarely. "
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:53 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"The statement was right. You saw nothing in that video to conclusively say their socioeconomic status and their education level. If you said that you thought they were educated and middle class, that's another thing. But you had no proof."
the statement was hilariously contradictory with your previous comments, dummy. and i saw plenty to suggest that, and it was more or less confirmed by the video link. i can't 100% conclusively evaluate everything from a video, but i can be pretty damn sure.
i ask you again (and you'll dodge again): if you see wedding footage of a black wedding, can you usually make some reasonably certain assumptions about class level? particularly between "poor/ghetto" and standard middle class?
"You're stupid. People dancing to Chris Brown at a wedding is pretty buffoonish. Middle class folk don't typically act like buffoons at their weddings."
the point is to be ironic and irreverent - and, once again, you're arguing that they're not middle class after repeatedly asserting that there is no way to tell what their class is one way or the other. jesus.
"Who the fuck cares if they are hipsters? The aviators point is moronic as is looking to the people in the pews. We were talking about the wedding party moron."
1. the fact they're hipsters explains the style of their clothing, stupid
2. the aviators are further evidence that they're not taking it seriously and having fun, as hipsters are wont to do, stupid
3. the people in the pews are important because their dress and style is very indicative of social class, more so than the wedding party, stupid
"That is a very cheap looking church; a middle class family would have opted for a more aesthetically pleasing place to have their ceremony."
EXPLAIN why its cheap looking. it looks exactly like a million other suburban lutheran churches all over the midwest. it's probably one of their family churches. are you actually suggesting that people only getting married in churches because they're aesthetically pleasing? lol, starting to think you're just flame because that too dumb to be credible.
but in the event that you're not, offer specifics about why that church is so egregiously rundown and gross looking.
"I'm glad you know what white folk in Minnesota do at their weddings."
as a white person from the midwest, i do indeed claim some authority of experience here.
"There was plenty of evidence to suggest they were ghetto poors."
"Re-read your post your racist prick. Ray-ray out of jail. camera phones, it was nothing but racist drivel."
racist drivel meant to bait your impossibly stupid ass, and it worked like a fucking charm. lol at your life.
"Fucking pwn3d."
that's really all you could come up with le chic? don't get me wrong, you're really really stupid, but normally you make some kind of sassy remark that trumpets your own perceived superiority. again, just so lazy on your part.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:59 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"the statement was hilariously contradictory with your previous comments, dummy. and i saw plenty to suggest that, and it was more or less confirmed by the video link. i can't 100% conclusively evaluate everything from a video, but i can be pretty damn sure."
No they weren't. I never said what they were. I was knocking down your statement that they were "clearly middle class and educated." You have yet to supply proof of that.
Now you're not 100% sure. You're clearly backpeddling here now that you've been caught flatfooted and obviously wrong.
"1. the fact they're hipsters explains the style of their clothing, stupid
2. the aviators are further evidence that they're not taking it seriously and having fun, as hipsters are wont to do, stupid
3. the people in the pews are important because their dress and style is very indicative of social class, more so than the wedding party, stupid"
They weren't clearly hipsters, stupid.
There was debate below as to whether they were, stupid.
The people in the pews are likely family, stupid.
Family members are likely to be significantly better off than young kids who are getting married, stupid.
No, stupid. This doesn't back up your post. You said "clerly." As in not in doubt. The people in your thread express doubt, stupid.
"racist drivel meant to bait your impossibly stupid ass, and it worked like a fucking charm. lol at your life."
Dude, you were the one baited. This entire thread was bait. You fell for it, stupid. lol at your stupid life. Stupid.
"that's really all you could come up with le chic? don't get me wrong, you're really really stupid, but normally you make some kind of sassy remark that trumpets your own perceived superiority. again, just so lazy on your part."
50 posts later, you still can't support your "clearly" charge. stupid.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:59 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"No they weren't. I never said what they were. I was knocking down your statement that they were "clearly middle class and educated." You have yet to supply proof of that.
Now you're not 100% sure. You're clearly backpeddling here now that you've been caught flatfooted and obviously wrong."
backpedaling from what? i still say they're CLEARLY middle class and educated. a bunch of people openly agreed with me. their status as educated is 100% confirmed. anything else?
"They weren't clearly hipsters, stupid."
yes, they clearly were, and again multiple people agree with this. it was also, again, even more thoroughly confirmed by the second video.
"There was debate below as to whether they were, stupid."
yes, between me and rowan, and she agreed that they were hipsters. nice one!
"The people in the pews are likely family, stupid."
oh, right, i forgot, family is a very poor indicator of social class and origin. they would be a terrible reference point for someone's background, as would the other people attending their wedding. you really got me there. (note that the previous statement assumes you understand sarcasm, which is somewhat in doubt at the moment).
"No, stupid. This doesn't back up your post. You said "clerly." As in not in doubt. The people in your thread express doubt, stupid."
lulz - they expressed no doubt as to education, and almost universally said 'probably' as to their income level. you know, they'd say that they probably won't get hit by a bus tomorrow as well. they're pretty fucking sure that won't happen, but they can't be certain. your childish insistence that any fraction of doubt is the same as sever doubt is essentially all you have there, and it's a risible argument.
"Dude, you were the one baited. This entire thread was bait. You fell for it, stupid. lol at your stupid life. Stupid."
you really sound "classy" when you go off on these chirping insult laden rants, le chic. the thread was meant to make some point about racism. the only thing it demonstrated was your abject lack of intelligence.
"50 posts later, you still can't support your "clearly" charge. stupid."
lulz, look at how angry you are, 50 posts later. it's supported - it's clear to me and others. the thread demonstrated that. you're arguing due your trademark insanity right now, not any kind of concrete point. i'm happy to keep watching you flame out.
Date: July 26th, 2009 2:17 PM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"backpedaling from what? i still say they're CLEARLY middle class and educated. a bunch of people openly agreed with me. their status as educated is 100% confirmed. anything else?"
Nothing in the four corners of the video proved that they were middle class and educated. The people in your thread expressed doubt, when you had none. In a argument where we debating if there should have been doubt, I win. You lose.
"yes, they clearly were, and again multiple people agree with this. it was also, again, even more thoroughly confirmed by the second video."
No they weren't. There was debate about whether they were hipsters below. So that isn't "clear." People don't have debates about clear things. How many times have people discussed if Micheal Jordan was black?
"oh, right, i forgot, family is a very poor indicator of social class and origin. they would be a terrible reference point for someone's background, as would the other people attending their wedding. you really got me there. (note that the previous statement assumes you understand sarcasm, which is somewhat in doubt at the moment)."
Dude, you said the people in the pews would be a better indicator than the actual people. Actually, it wouldn't. Now you're attacking a straw man. I never said it would be a "terrible reference." You're stupid.
"lulz - they expressed no doubt as to education, and almost universally said 'probably' as to their income level. you know, they'd say that they probably won't get hit by a bus tomorrow as well. they're pretty fucking sure that won't happen, but they can't be certain. your childish insistence that any fraction of doubt is the same as sever doubt is essentially all you have there, and it's a risible argument.
"
Probably is doubt you fucking moron!!! You can't turn clearly into probably no matter how hard you try.
"you really sound "classy" when you go off on these chirping insult laden rants, le chic. the thread was meant to make some point about racism. the only thing it demonstrated was your abject lack of intelligence."
Classier than your racist drivel. And it's proving that you're getting pwn3d; that you're stupid; and that even with a punctuation moniker, you keep coming back to get your ass whooping must say you're embarrassed.
"lulz, look at how angry you are, 50 posts later. it's supported - it's clear to me and others. the thread demonstrated that. you're arguing due your trademark insanity right now, not any kind of concrete point. i'm happy to keep watching you flame out."
You're the angry one. I proved my point. And I like to keep hammering it home.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:25 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
You don't understand logic clearly. There was nothing in that video that dictated they were middle class and educated. Just because they apparently went to college (not sure which and I don't know their income level) that doesn't necessarily mean that there were enough markers to make your claim -- that they were "obviously middle class and educated", right. You were patently wrong.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:33 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
wait, so i can't judge any social indicators, so that makes me patently wrong? at best doesn't that make me potentially wrong?
le chic, please don't attempt to work with concepts you don't really understand. you're just going to end up conflating yourself all over the place with all the conflated conflations.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:37 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
Dude, you're stupid. "they're obviously educated and middle class." They were not. You supplied no proof to say what they obviously were based on that 5 minute clip. You had suggestions that led you in one direction. There were suggestions that could have led one in the opposite direction. Again, you were wrong.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:41 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
I didn't get hot and bothered. I said from the start that he couldn't say they were "obviously" (he actually said "clearly" which is the same thing) based on the video. What I said was truth.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:13 AM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
95%? LMAO just picking random numbers now. You said they were "clearly educated and middle class". The people in that thread express doubt. Probably =/ clearly. And since that is your proof that you were right, and it backs up my position, not yours, I guess you were the one who just lost.
Date: July 26th, 2009 6:04 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
"95%? LMAO just picking random numbers now"
they're white, college-educated people in suburban minnesota - 95% is probably a conservative guess as to the likelihood of them being middle class.
"You said they were "clearly educated and middle class."
they are.
"The people in that thread express doubt"
leaving room for uncertainty =/= doubt. if i ask a man if the sun will rise tomorrow and he says probably, that doesn't mean he has serious doubts about whether it's going to happen.
"Probably =/ clearly"
functionally, it very much did. it was clear to me, and it was clear to all the people who agreed with me.
"And since that is your proof that you were right"
aside from the direct confirmation that they're college educated, right? you mean no proof beyond that?
"and it backs up my position"
your position is that i can't be 100% certain of anything. this is true. but i can be 100% certain that it is CLEARLY the case that these people are educated and at least middle class.
"I guess you were the one who just lost.
Pwn3d!"
an enraged black woman congratulates herself for an imagined victory on the internet. why?
Date: July 26th, 2009 1:59 PM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
"they're white, college-educated people in suburban minnesota - 95% is probably a conservative guess as to the likelihood of them being middle class."
95% of whites in minn are not educated. let's not try to move the goal posts.
"they are."
They are not "clearly". You supplied no proof that it was so obvious as to render doubt silly. Your own thread shows that there was doubt.
"functionally, it very much did. it was clear to me, and it was clear to all the people who agreed with me."
No, they didn't. You said clearly. They did not agree with you. How dumb are you?
"aside from the direct confirmation that they're college educated, right? you mean no proof beyond that?"
Again, stupid. You said based off of the video, they were clearly "middle class and educated". You can't use an interview to prove your claims. You can only prove you point using the four corners of the wedding video. How dumb are you?
Date: July 26th, 2009 2:31 PM Author: fuchsia telephone menage
This guy is clearly a nut as he cares this much even while using a punctuation moniker. He changes arguments, conflates words, so it's fun prodding him.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:26 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
i can spot a hipster even when its not wearing its uniform. the chicks haircuts, the dude's beards, the ironic yet heartfelt use of hip-hop dance to subvert and amplify a traditional wedding - trust me, they were blasting the national and chugging PBRs at the reception, which they chose to have at the american legion hall purely for kitsch value.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:30 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
have you ever met a hipster? they love basking in cliched and goofy r&b and hip-hop. see pitchforkmedia's fetish treatment of dumbasses like lil' wayne for example 101, then go hit a williamsburg dive bar at 3:00 AM and listen to the shit people start dancing to.
or do you think all those chubby bearded white guys from st. paul and their hipster-cutted bridesmaids in the aviators listen to chris brown all the time because that's just their cup of tea, and so they naturally chose him for the wedding?
jesus rowan, you have too many fucking pale ales tonight or what?
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:34 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
Obviously hipsters like hip hop, but that particular song, which is more pop than anything else?
St. Paul's full of chubby, beared white guys, and has been since well before the hipster thing became popular. And yeah, I got the impression that all of those people like to go out to cheesy clubs and dance to Chris Brown.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:39 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
you're being pretty ridiculous - so just to be clear - you think all these people and particularly the bride and groom actually really dig this song song and chose it for reasons having nothing to do with irony and a sense of whimsy?
riiiiiiiiight.
hipsters listen to all kinds of standard 'uncool' music just for kicks and the explicit ironic amusement of it, not just raw hip-hop. honestly, get out of the house more, go see what the young people are up to these days!
and obviously they're not hardcore art district hipsters living twelve to a loft, but they're a fine minnesota iteration of casual people who nejoy many hipsterish things. look at the chick's haircuts if you need some girly point of reference.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:41 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
Eh, I was trying to view this in the more favorable light of people who genuinely liked both the song and that kind of dancing, I guess. It's less obnoxious that way.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:44 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
that approach never even crossed my mind - second the music started playing and the first dude came out, i knew what the deal was.
IMO, the kind of people that enjoy chris brown in a serious level and would want that shit played at the reception, let alone the ceremony, are the type who would take this shit super seriously and never trample tradition. this is like an earth shattering day for poors and the mothers would be weeping in the aisles if they stepped on jesus's feelings.
trying to turn your wedding into a jokey r&b throw down with a sentimental age stinks of educated, mild, middle class kids trying to throw some irony and fun into it, i.e. hipsterish folks having their way.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:47 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
Ok, you're definitely right about these two, but there are indeed people who would play that song (though probably not dance to it) in their wedding ceremony in all seriousness. I was in a wedding about 10 years ago where we all walked down to the Titantic song.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:42 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
That sweater's an odd enough choice that I can buy that these people are whatever the Minnesota version of hipster is. He, at minimum, doesn't look like someone who's actually a Chris Brown fan.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:45 AM Author: painfully honest buff generalized bond
If you see argyle on a dude, that's a fashion laggard. That came and went. The dude is just a straight up nerd, I've known plenty who look and dress like him. The chick is harder to pin down, but that's just because the dress doesn't say a lot. They are obviously both dressed unconventionally though.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:00 AM Author: painfully honest buff generalized bond
Nah. Another thing: there's no such thing as "midwestern hipster".
Part of the phenomenon is its startling lack of geographical variance. No hipster I know would wear that vest, and especially not that tie with that vest. Further, the style is beyond outre, it's just awful, and not in the ironic sense that many seem to take (improperly in many cases) as the sine qua non of hipsterdom.
The guy and probably the girl are just work hard play hard college nerd types with a propensity for mistaking the gaudy for the inventive.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:04 AM Author: Flatulent Dun Laser Beams
You are incorrect. There are MANY midwestern hipsters, and they largely reside in the Twin Cities and Chicago.
Watching more of the video, I had my doubts, but a midwestern hipster would certainly consider wearing this. KEEP IN MIND that this is for a television appearance when said hipster has been called out on his ridiculous wedding ceremony and is probably being paid. Hipsters are barristas and shit. They will do NE THING for money, and then tell jokes about it later while drinking PBR.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:10 AM Author: painfully honest buff generalized bond
What you're thinking of is more generally likened to "Stuff White People Like" than hipsters. I've known plenty of people that dress like the above, and would be silly enough to at least have that wedding dance idea cross their minds.
I've been to the Twin Cities and Chicago lately. I've been to the bars in St. Paul and I've been to Wicker Park. They dress like the same people from Williamsburg, West Queen West (Toronto, where I'm from), and the Mile End (Montreal). They ALL dress the same. Even the cuff of the guy's pants gives him away.
Given your second paragraph I'm going to assume you're flame and go to bed.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:15 AM Author: Flatulent Dun Laser Beams
i think you have been editing liberally as you've gone along. i will do the same and head to bed.
most hipsters i know would do all sorts of shit for money and laugh at it later. i do not actually mean that they would do anything; they would go on the today show or whatever, act legit, then laugh their asses off afterward.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:58 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
i am sure they do enjoy it on some level - i only made the distinction because rowan didn't understand that there was a strong element of irony to the selection. it's not like they came out doing posed dances and reciting spoken word poetry andrew bird - they tried to recreate some hip-hop dance steps to a teen-pop/R&B club song. i'm sure they've blasted it at 4:00 and wasted off their asses many a night, and nothing wrong with that.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:00 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
Yeah, and I concede that you're right. I assumed the other way because I've seen lots of slightly-trashy white people weddings where cheesy pop was played during the ceremony without any irony intended. Though in retrospect, these folks all look a little older than the people I'm thinking of, which I should have picked up on.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:37 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
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Also ITT: Arrogant Asperger's patients who don't "get" the social purpose of tradition mock it for "not being rational" and because they "don't care what grandma thinks because she's not paying"/"my grandma is cool and wouldn't care anyway" as they think they are awesome for posting EDGY shit about how much Jesus sucks and how organized religion is all a total crock.
Meanwhile, at the next wedding they attend IRL, they will be the ostracized and awkward wallflowers relegated to the very edge of the dancefloor, where they will spend the night looking down and shifting uncomfortably from foot to foot as they pathetically try to 'dance' offbeat next to a large and unattractive girl who will not be paying attention to them at all before going home (sober) early and spending the rest of the night posting scathing indictments of "niggers" on XOXO. Fucking rebellious man!
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:41 AM Author: ocher shitlib whorehouse
fwiw, the two non-traditional weddings i've been to have been for very posh couples. one on a beach, one in manhattan with a quirky dress code. and i'm talking about the ceremony not the reception. not that these people in the video aren't white trash.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:46 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
While this may be true and while I would never say that there is no place in this world for non-traditional weddings, somehow I doubt that all the people busy posting "lol fuck grandma and jesus i do what i want" ITT are just super cool cutting edge posh hipster suburbanites.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:56 AM Author: ocher shitlib whorehouse
yeah and people arguing the other way don't strike me as old guard high society types either. the way i see it, this couple's wedding would have been tacky regardless. at least this way they get their 15 min and the 6m youtube hits.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:45 AM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground parlour
ITT: A joyless Asian feels oppressed by the weight of centuries of deeply ingrained collectivism and Confucian filial piety and attempts to massage away the cognitive dissonance by denying that others might not be so burdened.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:46 AM Author: impertinent maroon station
sorry about your ttt faggot poor family. enjoy dancing down the isle with your ugly fat fuck spouse in your shitstain suits. you should dance to "find me in the club"
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:45 AM Author: comical avocado dysfunction
I kind of agree with that. If you're not actually religious, I think the better way to handle it is just to have a very, very brief ceremony and then get to the reception, where there's a lot more room for creativity.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:50 AM Author: curious underhanded corner pocket flask
i wasn't even bashing, i think it's alright, i was just asserting that they are in fact hipsters and not a bunch of poors actually trying to tear it up, which the retard who made the OP doesn't understand.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:58 AM Author: hairless beady-eyed elastic band church
You would also much sooner stay home and post on an anonymous internet messageboard than go hang out with real people in the real world on a mid-Summer Saturday night, so somehow I don't think this is a huge loss for anyone.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:48 AM Author: frozen red field volcanic crater
the bride looks jewish and the priest was a woman. I doubt this is a catholic deal. On second thought, maybe it was one of those "open-minded" weddings. Cool.
Date: July 26th, 2009 3:54 AM Author: impertinent maroon station
FACT: no matter what you think about the idea, the execution just looks fucking trashy. The idea is cute, "open-minded", whatever the fuck, sure. But it just comes out looking stupid and trashy. I call it when I see it.
They don't give a fuck what I think, and I don't give a fuck what they think either. If they post this shit on fucking youtube I have a right to bash the fuck out of it.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:13 AM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground parlour
If your sole purpose in life is to ascend an imagined social prestige ladder, you must attempt to precisely locate yourself at all times so as to avoid any missteps.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:20 AM Author: Garnet rigor
I found it amusing, not sure why it could possibly stir up negative feelings in anyone. Anyway, it linked to this video which is trashier, more cliched but has a much hotter bride with nice cleavage dancing to "Baby Got Back". YWIA
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:24 AM Author: useless spectacular box office corn cake
some of my friends do this shit at their receptions too. i think it's a waste of time. sometimes i have to sit / stand there and watch them perform for 10 minutes to show off. for what? why can't we just move on, at least to the speeches or something?
unless the song "baby got back" has special meaning to their relationship or to their friends, the whole performance bothers me because it's just showy for no reason.
that's why i hate weddings sometimes. the striver tendencies tend to all come out.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:31 AM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground parlour
Do you "get" the purpose of a typical first dance?
I'll tell you what I don't get. I don't get what the purpose of your criticism is. Is it to enlighten us? Is it to reduce the number of weddings and receptions you don't like? What is it?
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:37 AM Author: useless spectacular box office corn cake
actually, I also don't get the purpose of your criticism of mine. Is it to enlighten me? is it to reduce the number of opinions you don't like? which one is it?
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:41 AM Author: useless spectacular box office corn cake
so you think the world would be a very slightly better place if I am more tolerant of other people's different viewpoints (e.g., thinking that doing a 10 minute performance dance at your wedding reception is acceptable), right?
have you ever considered that you can start by being more tolerant of my viewpoints, rather than forcing me to be tolerant of those of others?
I say one thing that I don't like about other people, and you immediately jumped in to change my viewpoint. how pathetically hypocritical.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:48 AM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground parlour
I'm not forcing anything. And I'm not motivated by tolerance. I'm motivated by a general preference for liberty and a disdain for those who would undermine it with misguided social pressure.
Moreover, were they relevant, your allegations of hypocrisy would be impotent. Nothing I've claimed rests upon my character or actions.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:03 AM Author: useless spectacular box office corn cake
this makes no sense at all. it is people who needlessly show off what they have / can do, for no particular reason.
i don't feel "threatened". I just don't understand the purpose of the showing off.
your forced argument about "relative position in social hierarchy" is completely off.
this is clearly a waste of time. i regret ever responding to you. continue fighting the good fight and "upsetting the social order".
clearly you feel threatened because you feel that my articulate arguments is an attempt to lower your relative position in the social hierarchy. that would explain why you insist on coming back with more and more absurd arguments just to make you think that you have won.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:28 AM Author: Garnet rigor
Yeah, I was just saying she has nice boobs.
Weddings are generally a license for the bride to be a complete narcissist for the weeks and sometimes months leading up to the ceremony. Some people take that license more seriously than others.
However, the bride and groom are "supposed" to do a first dance where everyone else just watches, so I don't think it's fair to come down on them too hard.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:39 AM Author: Bearded Kitchen Juggernaut
If someone invites you to an event with unlimited free booze, fancy steak dinner, and near certain opportunity to get laid with her former roommate whom youll never see again, the least you can do is watch their stupid 10 minute dance.
Of course it's showy. their wedding day is supposed to call attention to themselves.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:42 AM Author: useless spectacular box office corn cake
"If someone invites you to an event with unlimited free booze, fancy steak dinner, and near certain opportunity to get laid with her former roommate whom youll never see again, the least you can do is watch their stupid 10 minute dance."
Actually, it is more like poor, chewy steak dinner, and a night that you have to pay $200 for. Maybe you don't give gifts for weddings, but I do.
Date: July 26th, 2009 4:35 AM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground parlour
I think the dour people in this thread are also threatened by the prospect of an upset of the established order. If things change, they think, then they will be pressured to compete in a game of creativity that they won't win. Instead, they'd prefer to stick to the traditional script that is much harder to fuck up.
Their fears are misplaced. They can have a traditional wedding. Few people will think less of them for it.
Date: July 26th, 2009 5:06 AM Author: Exhilarant antidepressant drug
In a way, I feel bad for Le Chic. She clearly felt that she could make biting articulation about the irrational nature of racism and hold it to the collective nose of XO.
Instead, as per her usual, she came off looking like a psychotic race-obsessed moron who spends her later Saturday evening hopelessly megaposting.
Date: July 26th, 2009 10:35 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone meetinghouse
I can't even hate on this.
Weddings are fun. Let these folk have fun
This is more appropriate for introducing folks at a reception, but if they want to do it at the wedding ceremony, fine, let them. I wouldn't do this, but if they want to, fair.
Date: July 26th, 2009 12:37 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone meetinghouse
The wedding party makes the rules for their own wedding. Therefore, it can't be "inappropriate." I don't think it's trashy. A trashy wedding would be one with no dress code, people drinking during the wedding ceremony, a pregnant wife with five kids already, etc.
Look, I wouldn't do this because I think it's incredibly cheesy, but that's the only crime here IMO.
Date: July 26th, 2009 12:40 PM Author: wine boltzmann
why?
i don't think weddings should be serious and solemn. they should be fun...everyone in that video looked like they were having fun to me. I would definitely have been pleased if I went to a wedding expecting the pachebel canon and got Chris Brown instead.
now i guess it'll be kind of sad if a slew of people try to recreate the fun and fail.
Date: July 26th, 2009 1:02 PM Author: wine boltzmann
There's a difference between approaching a wedding seriously and approaching a marriage seriously, dipshit.
Serious weddings are revolting. I have no idea where people get off thinking that their marriage to one another is such a big fucking deal to the rest of us that they have to throw tons of money and fancy shit into it.
In the off chance I ever get married, it will be in a courthouse or drive thru.
These people will not be getting divorced, unlike the 50% of people who have "serious" weddings. If you can't see that from the video you are retarded.
Date: July 26th, 2009 2:10 PM Author: diverse crimson cuck
Serious doesn't mean solemn you stupid redneck.
You can take a vow with a smile on your face.
I would actually argue people like you who are so caught up in pomp and circumstance of the wedding are the ones devoting less thought to the marriage itself.
Whoever says that they "hate" it is probably being ridiculous unless they're just a traditionalist or something.
But whoever says that it was "touching" for those trolls to make some piss poor efforts at "dancing" to an utterly forgettable Top 50 pop song is a fucking classless mouth breather and should be killed.
Date: July 28th, 2009 10:34 PM Author: marvelous degenerate
Hi! I am the most cynical unforgiving fuck, (qualification: who has slept with a woman or two) on this board, and even I thought this was pretty happy. So the rest of you really need to fucking think about some adjustments.
Date: July 28th, 2009 10:57 PM Author: flesh fragrant striped hyena university
1. i came ITT expecting blacks.
1a. fyi, le chic, if blacks had pulled off a dance routine that hit the spot between classy/fun like this one did, nobody would have been racist. well, not many people would have been.
2. bride looks much hotter on the today show.
3. the video was awesomely fun to watch. fuck you joyless, cynical fucks.
Date: July 29th, 2009 12:11 PM Author: Aromatic azure center internal respiration
ahh so this is the video that's all the talk on xo. sure, it's KINDA *lower middle class* to act this way, but honestly these people seem young, fun, & they don't take themselves seriously like the rest of you xo autists. who says a wedding has to be bland & devoid of any personality?
Date: July 29th, 2009 1:29 PM Author: histrionic unhinged stag film
1.) So the fuck what? Does that preclude personalizing it in some other way?
2.) You can dance at a disco, you can dance in a bar, you can dance in the fucking hallways if you want to. . .What does any of that have to do with whether or not you can dance at your wedding ceremony.
IT'S THEIR FUCKING WEDDING - HOW THEY CHOOSE TO HONOR THAT IS UP TO THEM
Date: July 29th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: razzle point
PROTIP: Your thoughts and feelings don't matter.
For the record, it's a good memory for them and they, and the audience, including the seniors, all look to be having fun. What the fuck is your problem?
Date: August 17th, 2009 5:45 PM Author: passionate hyperactive gaming laptop church building
1. That is not even close to a Catholic Church
2. Trashy Wedding "Ceremony" (must Pop Culture invade every space of our lives. I also don't want to hear your stupid music blaring while I am fishing/ camping.
3. That dood looks 100% hipster on Today Show interview