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Elizabeth Smart testifies abductor raped her daily
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:43 PM Author: judgmental home http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113396531&sc=fb&cc=fp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883005) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:44 PM Author: marvelous misanthropic hospital no shit
this is the only credited reason to abduct |
Date: October 1st, 2009 3:44 PM Author: wine swashbuckling keepsake machete regret lol, it's not raping if you're living and eating there for free. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883007) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:50 PM Author: boyish base milk It's certainly not rape-rape. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883063) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:53 PM Author: sexy theater I really hope "rape-rape" enters the collective vocabulary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883083) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:53 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king I didn't watch the Whoopi video: What's the distinction between rape-rape and rape again? Serious question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883093) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:58 PM Author: sexy theater rape-rape is like the really bad rape. Whereas just plain rape is no big deal and guys in my HS used to just plain rape all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883132) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:59 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king So I'm guessing she envisions rape-rape as being: Some dood grabs me when I'm walking out to my car, shoves a gun in my mouth, and rips my pants off and fucks the shit out of me while I scream, and plain-old-vanilla-boring rape is fucking a 13-year-old girl up the ass despite her protestations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883139) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:02 PM Author: boyish base milk pretty much, but some of it has to do with who the alleged raper is i think |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:05 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king Stranger v. not-stranger? Or Artsy Dood v. Truckdriver? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883176) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:13 PM Author: sexy theater More like he was her friend and the girl was just some fan/slore. So he could do no wrong and the girl shouldn't complain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883230) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:21 PM Author: boyish base milk I think more along the lines of "This is retardeded Hollywood liberals to the extreme, and I'm a pinko-commie-hippie-liberal freak." |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:23 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883287) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:03 PM Author: sexy theater Basically. I suspect there was a bit of "she really wanted it anyway" or something going on in Whoopi's mind that she didn't state on camera.
But my favorite part was when she tried to play it off as a cultural misunderstanding because this is normal in Europe.
Now, I don't even think this case is worth bothering with but her defense of his conduct sounded like bad XO flame. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:07 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king Sure, she got herself in a strange situation with an older man, but I'm pretty sure most 13-year-olds really aren't down with anal. Or gross old doods for that matter.
What's normal in Europe? Sex with really young girls? Strange.
This is retardeded Hollywood liberals to the extreme, and I'm a pinko-commie-hippie-liberal freak. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:12 PM Author: sexy theater Look, if this was purely consensual I'd be like whatever. But the dude straight up drugged her with a date rape drug, which was combined with the alcohol. Despite being drugged she still stated that she didn't want sex, she just wasn't strong enough to fight. Its my understanding that these facts aren't really in dispute.
Given that, the age difference isn't the main issue. Really, neither is the anal sex in and of itself. Regardless of her age this would be rape.
That said, the victim doesn't seem to care much so frankly I'd be perfectly happy to have this guy give a few million to the victim and a few million to the government and call it good with the understanding that he never returns to the US again. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:13 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king Yeah, I mean, as a person who was purely statutorily "raped" and really liked it, I kind of agree. And yeah those are bad facts.
Yeah, but it makes it a bit worse.
Nah, he should be treated like any other person. Just because he fled doesn't mean he should get out of whatever prison time he has coming his way. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:17 PM Author: sexy theater I don't really know to what extent it makes it worse, if any. But I do know that originally it was a "rape-rape" charge and that it was pled down to statutory rape.
I guess I'm just a pragmatist as far as criminal justice is concerned. The US spends way too much on this crap and incarcerates more people than any other country, which is nuts. Its not like he's a serial rapist, and its not like the victim is pressing for action (on the contrary, she wants this to go away), so it seems like spending money to fly him to the US, try him, and imprison him for years, all while the French are constantly protesting seems unnecessary. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:19 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king I just don't think bringing Polanski to justice - and showing that you cannot do this shit and get away with it - is really teh cause of our major budget problems.
Your issue with our incarceration rate has more to do with drugs I think. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:21 PM Author: sexy theater Oh I'd eliminate all of it. Statutory rape, drugs, prostitution, nonsense like chasing Roman Polanski (I'd just make the fucker pay several million to make it go away) etc. The prison system would be about 10% or less of its present size, and I'd bring back the penal colony and exile solutions and increase monetary fines which would be cheaper than what we do now. I imagine we can think of what to do with all the money saved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883279) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:24 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king Having some rich dude fork over a bunch of money to avoid getting his ass pounded in jail like anyone else who had done what he did is just not the same.
And statutory rape is all about: You have to draw the line somewhere.
I'm somewhat with you on drugs and prostitution, although I wouldn't go whole-hog. But you're a lot more of a libertarian than me, which is a whole different discussion I'm too lazy to have.
Monetary fines just seem to unjustly favor the rich, which goes back to my first point. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:30 PM Author: sexy theater Yeah, I don't care as much about "fairness" in this respect. I think its a good system because its an everyone wins system. The victim, who doesn't even want to send the guy to jail, gets several million dollars which I'm sure she will appreciate. The state also gets a few million. And people generally get an additional incentive to work harder and become rich. What do we do with the poor person? 9/10 times no one would even pursue the guy. But the truth is that no matter how you slice it money matters. Polanski will get out of prison and what? He'll move back to his mansion in France. What will the poor guy do? He'll have a get a job bagging groceries. So I guess if you want to complain about inequality this seems like a strange place to start.
Whenever I have to draw lines for this stuff I draw them very, very low. But yeah, like you say, I'm ridiculously libertarian. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:31 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king Fair. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883355) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:23 PM Author: alcoholic maroon dingle berry Liberals are only defending Polanski because of who he is, i.e., a prominent left-wing atheist filmmaker, not because they would be more prone to sympathize with someone accused under the same circumstances.
It's pretty amazing to compare liberals' view on this to the way they used to see the Duke non-rape case. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:08 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone set gaping why did this post make my cock rock hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883195) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:12 PM Author: sexy theater I have to admit, I kinda thought it sounded pr0nish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883226) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:46 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king Forgot how amazing this all was when she showed up all that time later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883024) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:49 PM Author: Smoky Digit Ratio Cruise Ship PTSD, babe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883048) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:53 PM Author: sexy theater I really thought she was long gone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883086) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:54 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king That was some seriously shocking shit. I think this old girl even got a little teary-eyed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883095) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:59 PM Author: sexy theater Teary eyed because she was alright or teary eyed because of what she must have gone through? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883138) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:59 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king Bowf.
But mainly the former. |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:49 PM Author: slate parlour skinny woman flds - classy dudes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883052) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:53 PM Author: Stimulating Hideous Whorehouse Idiot I love how these religious madmen and cult leaders are all just trying to get their dick wet. Kind of like the early mormons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883089) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:55 PM Author: Electric Haunted Graveyard Wagecucks she's a tough cookie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883107) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:56 PM Author: up-to-no-good police squad It was great when she pwned Nancy Grace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883115) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:57 PM Author: opaque sanctuary ooh ooh show me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883131) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 3:59 PM Author: up-to-no-good police squad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x8ARIxg51I
(she's nice about it, but I think that makes it worse because it's obvious that Grace is being a bitch) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:02 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883157) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:07 PM Author: marvelous misanthropic hospital daily rape builds character (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883193) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:10 PM Author: vigorous bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883206) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:12 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king DIAF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883223) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:14 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone set gaping tyft post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883233) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:23 PM Author: diverse forum So why can't I keep my wife from running up my credit card bill at the mall while I'm at work? Someone give me some brainwashing tips there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883295) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:33 PM Author: Bateful amethyst university you're beta
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:33 PM Author: marvelous misanthropic hospital she was shackled (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883368) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:36 PM Author: vigorous bawdyhouse a likely story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883401) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:18 PM Author: Soggy hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883258) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:19 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone set gaping a news article makes you want to retire? don't let the door hit your ass on your way out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883266) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:20 PM Author: Soggy hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883273) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:22 PM Author: boyish base milk get rape-raped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883283) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:23 PM Author: Soggy hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883289) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:33 PM Author: talented arrogant masturbator lawl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883377) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:34 PM Author: wine swashbuckling keepsake machete regret wrong, this is real life. gtfoutttsef! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883380) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:39 PM Author: talented arrogant masturbator haha why did you delete that bullshit? "waaah xo offended me, waah im leaving, i have friends IRL and im normal." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883419) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:26 PM Author: Heady Voyeur Philosopher-king I laffed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883307) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:22 PM Author: wine swashbuckling keepsake machete regret i seriously doubt EVERY SINGLE lovemaking session was a bona fide rape. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883281) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:25 PM Author: sexy theater Yeah, there's nothing like a smelly insane homeless dude on a trashbag to make a young girl's heart flutter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883303) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:31 PM Author: wine swashbuckling keepsake machete regret would you bet $ she didn't orgasm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883350) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:36 PM Author: sexy theater To be honest? Yes, I'd put a $20 down that she didn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883392) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 4:42 PM Author: wine swashbuckling keepsake machete regret I'll take that bet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883445) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 5:04 PM Author: slate parlour skinny woman I'd bet all I own and will ever have that didn't happen. . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883639) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 5:06 PM Author: wine swashbuckling keepsake machete regret you don't know how the vagina/female mind work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883667) |
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Date: October 1st, 2009 5:04 PM Author: Histrionic fluffy stock car toaster That's illegal, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1100381&forum_id=2#12883640) |