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WHICH FIRMS have made associates DISAPPEAR?
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Date: October 7th, 2009 2:44 PM Author: Odious Clear Juggernaut Indirect Expression The NALP directory lists law firm information as of February 1, 2009. But right now, it's early October, 2009. What law firms have had a significant number of associates "disappear" in the last 8 months? Certainly, some laid off associates before February 1. And some have "deferred" associates, or given them a year off. Others may have left voluntarily. Still others may have been elevated to partner. And some have already started incoming associates. But could we notice any significant trends? Here's a look at the home offices for the Vault 25. (Caution: firms may classify "associate" differently for NALP than on its own Web site, among other factors.) VAULT. OFFICE (CITY): FEB 1 to CURRENT, TOTAL CHANGE, % CHANGE 1. Wachtell (New York): 127 to 117, -10, -8% 2. Cravath (New York): 355 to 365, +10, +3% 3. Skadden (New York): 642 to ~425*, -217, -34% 4. S&C (New York): ~351** to 292, -59, -17% 5. DPW (New York): 442 to 372, -70, -16% 6. Weil (New York): 500 to 402, -98, -20% 7. STB (New York): 510 to ~425*, -85, -17% 8. Cleary (New York): 336 to 310, -26, -8% 9. Covington (DC): 227 to ~200*, -27, -12% 10. Kirkland (Chicago): 384 to 325, -59, -15% 11. W&C (DC): 119 to ~115*, -4, -3% 12. Debevoise (New York): 379 to ~335*, -44, -12% 13. Paul Weiss (New York): 376 to ~308*, -68, -18% 14. GDC (LA): inc. 15. Sidley (Chicago): 310 to 247, -63, -20% 16. WilmerHale (DC): 256 to ~90*, -166, -65% 17. Latham (LA): 221 to 152, -69, -31% 18. A&P (DC/McLean): 246 to 208, -38, -15% 19. Jones Day (DC): 108 to 98, -10, -9% 20. White & Case (New York): 317 to ~190*, -127, -40% 21. Shearman (New York): 357 to ~220*, -137, -38% 22. OMM (LA): 152 to ~80*, -72, -47% 23. Quinn Emanuel (all): inc. 24. Ropes (Boston): 353 to ~315*, -38, -11% 25. Hogan (DC): 281 to 210, -71, -25% [I double-checked the numbers on WilmerHale, but someone else can correct me if I made a mistake.] * estimated count from Web site entries ** estimated count from NALP form Thoughts? Errors? Thanks. |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 2:45 PM Author: khaki multi-billionaire it would be a much shorter list if you just listed the firms that havent cut #'s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12929375) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:05 PM Author: puce sadistic parlor FIRMS -40% OR OVER:
16. WilmerHale (DC): 256 to ~90*, -166, -65%
20. White & Case (New York): 317 to ~190*, -127, -40%
22. OMM (LA): 152 to ~80*, -72, -47%
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Date: October 14th, 2009 7:20 PM Author: multi-colored swollen national wrinkle Wilmer is off. They have a separate category for "senior associates." Also I'd doublecheck your count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12988612) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 8:20 PM Author: bisexual hyperactive stead Subject: Are those from the firm's website? Because there are roughly 10-20 percent more people who are no longer working there or at the very least pretending to work there for the next three months.
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:11 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Cuck Alpha All the firms with insanely high numbers are hand counts from the firms website. Oddly, that seems off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12929649) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:23 PM Author: Pea-brained Pit Tattoo Inaccutate and unreliable, but surely indicative that something's going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12929729) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:32 PM Author: supple orchestra pit why dont u double-check for us, thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12929830) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 10:04 PM Author: Scarlet chapel no u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12990067) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:35 PM Author: Hairraiser hall codepig Well this is weird... NALP shows 343 for Kirkland NY, and handcount on Kirkland's website shows 336. That's just a 2% drop.
Weren't there "layoffs" in that office a few weeks ago? |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:37 PM Author: Hairraiser hall codepig NVM, did a recount. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12929911) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:42 PM Author: supple orchestra pit results? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12929973) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:52 PM Author: Hairraiser hall codepig 217->184 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12930080) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:53 PM Author: supple orchestra pit ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12930091) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 4:44 PM Author: concupiscible weed whacker pisswyrm The problem with K&E numbers is that they promote people to "partner" as they finish their sixth year (income partner) which makes it look like more associates disappeared. So looking at total attorneys is probably more accurate. Unless we think they actually brought in a slew of partners while firing associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12987472) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 4:53 PM Author: supple orchestra pit op qualified all of that.
also, atl reported that wilmerhale has a massive difference because of its internal "senior associate," which means that isnt as bad either |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 9:59 PM Author: Orange Aromatic Locus true. k&e promoted 51 associates to partner at the beginning of the month. 25 were in the chicago office. so the -59 number should really be -34 (9%).
http://www.kirkland.com/sitecontent.cfm?contentID=230&itemId=9082 |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:38 PM Author: Black goal in life NEXT PAGE PLEASE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12929924) |
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Date: October 7th, 2009 3:49 PM Author: Pea-brained Pit Tattoo Considering normal attrition is 20-25%, is it safe to say any firm above that might be in trouble? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12930045) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 9:19 AM Author: Sooty nowag hunting ground If you assume that 2009 is a normal year, then yes, that makes a world of sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12984837) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 9:06 AM Author: supple orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12984810) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 4:17 PM Author: Cowardly Hissy Fit Very good thread. TY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12987278) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 4:51 PM Author: Amber rigor *considers making obligatory I-will-never-work-at-LaTTTham-even-though-I-could-never-get-a-job-there post* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12987511) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 8:04 PM Author: dun shivering pozpig heaven Doesn't White and Case NY have over 100 summers waiting to start? I imagine it will go something like +50% in January, then -70% come March. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12989043) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 10:05 PM Author: Passionate Bearded Dysfunction THE FIRM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12990071) |
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Date: October 14th, 2009 10:44 PM Author: Doobsian Out-of-control Friendly Grandma all of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#12990502) |
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Date: October 16th, 2009 2:30 PM Author: supple orchestra pit ABOVE THE LAW: PLEASE CREDIT AUTOADMIT. THANK YOU FOR CREDITING AUTOADMIT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1105017&forum_id=2#13003894) |