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Jesus fucking Christ, I hate the fairly new use of "optics."

Example: "And even though TFA members often don’t re...
lake kitchen depressive
  10/16/09
Never seen that before, but it's incredibly stupid.
thriller station
  10/16/09
Slightly different meaning, but how do people feel about &qu...
Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio
  10/16/09
these are all excellent examples of pretentious douchebagger...
excitant henna kitty chapel
  10/16/09
BUSINESSMEN Lawyers don't make up pointless words--we have ...
Multi-colored Jet-lagged Philosopher-king Market
  10/16/09
I have never seen or heard a lawyer employ either of those u...
lake kitchen depressive
  10/16/09
Just as gross.
thriller station
  10/16/09
See, I don't think so. There is no definition of optics f...
Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio
  10/16/09
It's a little closer, but I think it's still off. Presumably...
thriller station
  10/16/09
Those are seperte definitions, so it describes the "moo...
Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio
  10/16/09
considering the salubriousness of your post, I will have to ...
excitant henna kitty chapel
  10/16/09
TY.
Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio
  10/16/09
outstanding utilization of words. i would task you to draft...
red soggy potus private investor
  10/16/09
yeah you'd use it in criticism for books and movies, as in &...
Shivering Flirting Reading Party Lodge
  10/16/09
No. Atmospherics is from the early radio jargon. It stan...
Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business
  12/26/09
Also a fucking horrendous.
lake kitchen depressive
  10/16/09
lols, the novel "optics" usage i've heard, "a...
Shivering Flirting Reading Party Lodge
  10/16/09
*gags*
Odious bonkers sanctuary
  10/16/09
As you should.
lake kitchen depressive
  10/16/09
As a former optics person, that pisses me off quite a lot.
startling onyx nursing home
  10/16/09
fag
pontificating sickened tattoo
  10/16/09
*traps you in an optical lattice*
startling onyx nursing home
  10/16/09
*quantum tunnels under the fence*
pontificating sickened tattoo
  10/16/09
*gets entangled*
underhanded vengeful hall
  10/17/09
uncertain
Charcoal insane center
  08/15/10
...
Contagious Effete Death Wish Love Of Her Life
  08/15/10
really hear it in politics more
Contagious Effete Death Wish Love Of Her Life
  08/15/10
You can almost see how the retard gears spun when the first ...
lake kitchen depressive
  10/16/09
I hear it at last once a week.
federal shimmering step-uncle's house main people
  10/16/09
Where?
Odious bonkers sanctuary
  10/16/09
It is what it is.
lascivious navy son of senegal forum
  10/16/09
In this case, it is not.
Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio
  10/16/09
"Optics" is far worse.
Odious bonkers sanctuary
  10/16/09
This doesn't bother me. It's just the dressed-up equivalent ...
thriller station
  10/16/09
i don't think that quite captures it. unlike "whatever...
curious house-broken public bath
  10/16/09
I think that works. I agree that "it is what it is"...
thriller station
  10/17/09
yeah, but that's neither here nor there.
Brindle gaped pozpig cumskin
  10/16/09
this and "under the bus" are staples for not very ...
red soggy potus private investor
  10/16/09
*stabs self with ice pick*
Crystalline adventurous volcanic crater state
  12/22/09
How about using "qua" when it really isn't necessa...
Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio
  10/16/09
Last time you did this, I was torn between asking you what t...
thriller station
  10/16/09
I just sent you an epic e-mail.
Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio
  10/16/09
I like it. Don't be such a cantankerous old fart.
pontificating sickened tattoo
  10/16/09
where did you hear this usage? i have never heard anyone use...
Domesticated azn coldplay fan
  10/16/09
"where did you hear this usage?" Well, among ot...
lake kitchen depressive
  10/16/09
the only thing stupider than "optics" is TFA
Spectacular light dragon dilemma
  10/16/09
I was hearing this from our business clients last year - the...
Scarlet travel guidebook
  10/16/09
Get over yourself, loser.
histrionic parlor
  10/16/09
BY WHAT METRIC?
pink trip trailer park
  10/16/09
http://volokh.com/2009/11/20/michael-mcconnell-v-martin-flah...
underhanded vengeful hall
  11/20/09
Well, it's so far from what I think is necessary that I don'...
lake kitchen depressive
  12/22/09
tyft
Crystalline adventurous volcanic crater state
  12/22/09
"But the optics of presidential vacations are trickier,...
lake kitchen depressive
  12/26/09
This is fucking nosiating. No - vominating.
Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business
  12/27/09
It's very common. Get used to it.
peach base
  12/26/09
It's very TTT.
lake kitchen depressive
  12/26/09
*raises middle finger to the face level* "I hope you...
Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business
  12/27/09
Why do most of these quotes involve Obama?
Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business
  12/27/09
I just bought an EOTech.
vigorous autistic brunch associate
  12/27/09
Optics has a manly military ring to it. Expect to see more o...
amethyst location wrinkle
  12/27/09
Maybe that's why business schools love military experience -...
lake kitchen depressive
  12/27/09
I do this shit at work. I give AARs to the partner I work f...
vigorous autistic brunch associate
  12/27/09
Does it involve some sort of matrix? All good military/busi...
lake kitchen depressive
  12/27/09
The institutionalized cretinism of one resonates well with t...
Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business
  12/27/09
Horrible.
underhanded vengeful hall
  04/24/10
"But having acknowledged that it's admittedly gimmicky,...
Odious bonkers sanctuary
  05/24/10
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1396351&mc=3...
Very tactful unhinged house cuck
  08/15/10


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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:36 AM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

Example:

"And even though TFA members often don’t replace laid-off workers, the optics of the situation are no good."

http://www.thebigmoney.com/articles/diploma-mill/2009/10/15/teach-america-gets-timeout?page=0,1

"Optics" is a branch of physics.

Quit using it as a substitute for "appearances," unless you're trying to make yourself look like a retarded ex-NFL football player who just got his first TV job as an "analyst."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002012)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:36 AM
Author: thriller station

Never seen that before, but it's incredibly stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002015)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:41 AM
Author: Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio

Slightly different meaning, but how do people feel about "atmospherics."

"I don't think the company's actions actually satisfy the elements of the tort but the atmospherics are so bad I fear the jury will overlook that fact."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002029)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:42 AM
Author: excitant henna kitty chapel

these are all excellent examples of pretentious douchebaggery commonly found in the writings and conversations of lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002032)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:43 AM
Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Philosopher-king Market

BUSINESSMEN

Lawyers don't make up pointless words--we have latin for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002038)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:45 AM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

I have never seen or heard a lawyer employ either of those uses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002048)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:42 AM
Author: thriller station

Just as gross.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002035)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:45 AM
Author: Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio

See, I don't think so.

There is no definition of optics for the purpose the OP is using it.

Atmospherics actually means

"Features, events, or statements intended to create a particular mood or attitude: " (Ken Tucker).

The mood or attitude so created."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002051)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:47 AM
Author: thriller station

It's a little closer, but I think it's still off. Presumably the company wasn't INTENDING to create the mood of incredible sleaziness when it dumped toxic sludge into candy sold to 3-year-olds.

Also, there are 10 easier ways to say that while it's not technically a tort, it looks just horrible and the jury might be sympathetic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002060)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:49 AM
Author: Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio

Those are seperte definitions, so it describes the "mood or attitude so created" regardless of the intetions of the party creating it.

I'm not disuputing that there are more colloquial ways to make the same point, just that it is not as COMPLETELY FUCKING MADE UP as the OP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002069)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:51 AM
Author: excitant henna kitty chapel

considering the salubriousness of your post, I will have to associate your atmospherics with a clandestine juvenile emotional apparatus. optically, we may remain FRIENDS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002074)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:53 AM
Author: Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio

TY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002083)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:55 PM
Author: red soggy potus private investor

outstanding utilization of words. i would task you to draft a brief of high importance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003599)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:48 AM
Author: Shivering Flirting Reading Party Lodge

yeah you'd use it in criticism for books and movies, as in "not irl," which is where this usage belongs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002063)



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Date: December 26th, 2009 11:53 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business

No.

Atmospherics is from the early radio jargon. It stands for electrical interferences due to bad weather (Damn atmospherics again!) Using it for "atmosphere" is already retarded, not to mention an illiterate attempt at a smart-sounding metaphor above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654396)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:44 AM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

Also a fucking horrendous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002041)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:44 AM
Author: Shivering Flirting Reading Party Lodge

lols, the novel "optics" usage i've heard, "atmospherics" not, and it's so ludicrous that I'm hoping you haven't either...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002044)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:38 AM
Author: Odious bonkers sanctuary

*gags*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002669)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:29 PM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

As you should.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13007085)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:48 AM
Author: startling onyx nursing home

As a former optics person, that pisses me off quite a lot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002740)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:28 PM
Author: pontificating sickened tattoo

fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003371)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:40 PM
Author: startling onyx nursing home

*traps you in an optical lattice*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003476)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:52 PM
Author: pontificating sickened tattoo

*quantum tunnels under the fence*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003571)



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Date: October 17th, 2009 2:31 AM
Author: underhanded vengeful hall

*gets entangled*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13009456)



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Date: August 15th, 2010 3:19 PM
Author: Charcoal insane center

uncertain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#15794284)



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Date: August 15th, 2010 3:19 PM
Author: Contagious Effete Death Wish Love Of Her Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#15794277)



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Date: August 15th, 2010 3:18 PM
Author: Contagious Effete Death Wish Love Of Her Life

really hear it in politics more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#15794274)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:52 AM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

You can almost see how the retard gears spun when the first person employed that use of "optics."

"Dude, like, optics sorta has something to do with seeing. And appearances sorta have something to do with seeing. And 'optics' sounds like a smart person word."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002080)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:39 AM
Author: federal shimmering step-uncle's house main people

I hear it at last once a week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002675)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:44 AM
Author: Odious bonkers sanctuary

Where?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002713)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:45 AM
Author: lascivious navy son of senegal forum

It is what it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002716)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:45 AM
Author: Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio

In this case, it is not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002719)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:45 AM
Author: Odious bonkers sanctuary

"Optics" is far worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002723)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:47 AM
Author: thriller station

This doesn't bother me. It's just the dressed-up equivalent of "Whatever, man."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002731)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:34 PM
Author: curious house-broken public bath

i don't think that quite captures it. unlike "whatever," "it is what it is" sounds more in resignation than indifference. and is actually just fine as an expression for that reason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13007123)



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Date: October 17th, 2009 1:46 AM
Author: thriller station

I think that works. I agree that "it is what it is" is more of an expression of resignation, not one of not caring about the underlying facts.

I think the shared element of both expressions that I was trying to get at was the acknowledgment that certain things could not be changed and needed to be dealt with as they were.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13009148)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:49 AM
Author: Brindle gaped pozpig cumskin

yeah, but that's neither here nor there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002744)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:57 PM
Author: red soggy potus private investor

this and "under the bus" are staples for not very smart people right now; and those looking for some urban edge work the inane "hating on" into things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003619)



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Date: December 22nd, 2009 10:20 AM
Author: Crystalline adventurous volcanic crater state

*stabs self with ice pick*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13620558)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:47 AM
Author: Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio

How about using "qua" when it really isn't necessary?

Like saying "shareholders qua shareholders" when it is obvious from the context of the sentence that the action was necessarily undertaken as a shareholder and not an officer, director, whatever.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002733)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:48 AM
Author: thriller station

Last time you did this, I was torn between asking you what the fuck "qua" even meant and making fun of you for being pretentious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002735)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 11:51 AM
Author: Territorial Stirring Patrolman Digit Ratio

I just sent you an epic e-mail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13002753)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:27 PM
Author: pontificating sickened tattoo

I like it. Don't be such a cantankerous old fart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003370)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:49 PM
Author: Domesticated azn coldplay fan

where did you hear this usage? i have never heard anyone use the word optic in this way. nor have i heard the word atmospherics used in that way either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003551)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:30 PM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

"where did you hear this usage?"

Well, among other things, I read it in the article I linked to in the original post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13007095)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 1:56 PM
Author: Spectacular light dragon dilemma

the only thing stupider than "optics" is TFA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003604)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 2:00 PM
Author: Scarlet travel guidebook

I was hearing this from our business clients last year - they were always talking about the "optics" of some deal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13003644)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:30 PM
Author: histrionic parlor

Get over yourself, loser.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13007094)



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Date: October 16th, 2009 9:31 PM
Author: pink trip trailer park

BY WHAT METRIC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13007105)



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Date: November 20th, 2009 11:48 PM
Author: underhanded vengeful hall

http://volokh.com/2009/11/20/michael-mcconnell-v-martin-flaherty-on-whether-the-pay-czars-appointment-violates-the-appointments-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-691626

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13325082)



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Date: December 22nd, 2009 9:55 AM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

Well, it's so far from what I think is necessary that I don't think it's a it's a good bill. But I think if it goes down, just because of the OPTICS of the situation and the way the Republicans have framed this as a make-or-break moment for President Obama, it will make it easier for the Republicans to take control of Congress in 2010.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704304504574610240610282058.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13620438)



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Date: December 22nd, 2009 10:20 AM
Author: Crystalline adventurous volcanic crater state

tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13620562)



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Date: December 26th, 2009 11:31 PM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

"But the optics of presidential vacations are trickier, particularly in a time of war and economic trouble."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/politics/27memo.html



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654211)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:02 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business

This is fucking nosiating. No - vominating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654467)



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Date: December 26th, 2009 11:32 PM
Author: peach base

It's very common. Get used to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654216)



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Date: December 26th, 2009 11:33 PM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

It's very TTT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654224)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:00 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business

*raises middle finger to the face level*

"I hope you appreciate the optics of this situation"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654446)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:05 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business

Why do most of these quotes involve Obama?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654493)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:07 AM
Author: vigorous autistic brunch associate

I just bought an EOTech.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654514)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:09 AM
Author: amethyst location wrinkle

Optics has a manly military ring to it. Expect to see more of this term.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654546)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:11 AM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

Maybe that's why business schools love military experience -- business schools get a fresh source of retarded jargon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654563)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:13 AM
Author: vigorous autistic brunch associate

I do this shit at work. I give AARs to the partner I work for. Litigation is WAR. HTMFH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654591)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:18 AM
Author: lake kitchen depressive

Does it involve some sort of matrix? All good military/business bullshittery involves a matrix.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654647)



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Date: December 27th, 2009 12:14 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Seedy Place Of Business

The institutionalized cretinism of one resonates well with the other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#13654607)



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Date: April 24th, 2010 6:32 PM
Author: underhanded vengeful hall

Horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#14810580)



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Date: May 24th, 2010 5:29 PM
Author: Odious bonkers sanctuary

"But having acknowledged that it's admittedly gimmicky, probably inconsequential, and face-saving, I don't mind it, for precisely that reason. Ideally, the admin would get its nice OPTICS, and states would get their stabilization funds. This year's deficit should still be higher, and this act wouldn't stop that."

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/05/in-partial-defense-of-obamas-spending-cut-gimmick/57193/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#15072773)



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Date: August 15th, 2010 3:17 PM
Author: Very tactful unhinged house cuck

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1396351&mc=3&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1112326&forum_id=2#15794267)