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TEN POINT TWO PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT FUCK OBAMA
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:43 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo dems, you really botched this whole "economy" thing.
YOU RETARDED FUCKING ASSHOLES. WHY DID YOU DESIGN SUCH A SHITTY STIMULUS.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/33714693 |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:33 AM Author: slate trump supporter Retarded. The concessions to the conservatives were arguably the worst parts of the stimulus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195132) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:35 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy What, the $100B of the original $850B package? Please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195140) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:43 AM Author: slate trump supporter Non-responsive. Retarded, too?
If you want to carp about the unemployment rate, it's because the stimulus was too small. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:47 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy Oh hai Paul Krugman, that's not fucking related to what Obama wanted (under $1T) or what his economic team promised, cunt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195182) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:53 AM Author: maroon magical party of the first part rehab lol, most of concessions were to dems and their donors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195993) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:06 AM Author: Cream Mind-boggling Resort People Who Are Hurt So what would unemployment be if we had elected McCain? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195258) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:11 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy BUT WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE, you dumb cunt, this is a FUCKING OBAMA THREAD, we're not FUCKING TALKING ABOUT MCCAIN, you hack shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195287) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:12 AM Author: Cream Mind-boggling Resort People Who Are Hurt The point is, dipshit, the fucking President can't control the fucking economy. Keynsians are wrong. HTHHTHTHTHTHT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195299) |
Date: November 6th, 2009 8:49 AM Author: Aqua awkward juggernaut spot how can this happen in America? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195034) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:58 AM Author: bright massive circlehead double fault Shitty politicians, stupid voters, and a leader who governs by cult of personality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195046) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:49 AM Author: alcoholic hospital idea he suggested yeah, because the economy was so rosy before January. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195035) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:51 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo are you fucking serious?
in case you haven't noticed, 7.2% unemployment IS INDEED better than 10.2%.
and that's 10.2% using those bullshit juked stats. the real rate is around 17%. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:52 AM Author: alcoholic hospital idea he suggested so your argument is that unemployment would have held steady at 7.2% or would have possibly improved by now if Obama hadn't passed the stimulus? how would that have worked, exactly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195039) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:58 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo i just want obama to KEEP HIS FUCKING WORD that his stimulus program will keep unemployment below 8%, let alone 10.2%! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195045) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:01 AM Author: bright massive circlehead double fault Uh, are you serious? Much of the rest of the world is passing lower stimulus that's both front-loaded and aimed at keeping people employed. The US did the opposite of that. Hence the EU is kicking our ass, at which point I'm shocked the population isn't furious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195049) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:17 AM Author: diverse state codepig What are you talking about? EU unemployment is projected to hit 10.7 in 2010, and it was the GOP that required that more of the stimulus be tax cuts rather than aid to states which would have been used to maintain employment levels. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195079) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:19 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo the eurozone's current unemployment rate is 9.7%. the EU as a whole includes lots of festering TTT former warsaw pact countries that drag up the average. but countries like the netherlands have rates in the 4% range. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195087) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:29 AM Author: diverse state codepig Right, but those countries have super generous automatic stabilizer social safety nets. If you are saying that Obama's mistake was not to literally convert the U.S. economy to a socialist system then you are criticizing from the left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195122) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:32 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo you're damn right i am, to some extent. all that guy does is shovel money to lloyd blankfein, as though that unctuous fuck doesn't have enough already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195129) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:39 AM Author: diverse state codepig But a more left leaning response to the economy isn't a realistic choice. recall that the stimulus only passed because the administration agreed to take out direct stimulus in favor of tax cuts, in addition to cutting the overall size of the package. Your beef isn't with obama, its with people like lieberman, nelson, susan collins, and olympia snowe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195152) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:40 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo THE BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP.
my "beef" is mainly with the ludicrous promises that OBAMA'S OWN PEOPLE MADE about that fucking stimulus package.
just be honest and admit that it's probably gonna fail. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:42 AM Author: diverse state codepig I don't know what you mean by fail. in the absence of the stimulus things would be a complete disaster right now. What was needed is the larger, less tax cut based stimulus initially proposed, that was rejected by the GOP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195162) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:44 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo obama's people said the following:
-the stimulus means unemployment caps out at 8%
are you saying that obama's own people are total and completely discredited shameless whore liars?
if so, why the fuck should anyone ever trust anything out of those folks? you'll just get torched again by their bullshit. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:46 AM Author: diverse state codepig How is that lying? The economy is even worse than forecast. The proper response is more stimulus, which the administration would love to do, but the opposition is preventing.
What do you suggest that they should have done instead of the stimulus? |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:48 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo they LIED about the stimulus keeping unemployment from rising above 8%!
i no longer care what they do. JUST DON'T LIE ABOUT WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED.
and you know what? if obama actually wants a more robust liberal stimulus, why doesn't he get out there and fucking LOBBY for it? all he does is "compromise" like a fucking no-principles pussy. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:52 AM Author: diverse state codepig It wasnt a lie. Thats what their numbers showed. The calculations were publically available and transparent. Economic forcasting isnt a science like physics. they may have been wrong, which goes to their competence, but they werent dishonest.
Obama pushed for the biggest stimulus that was politically feasible. Do you want him to somehow disband congress? |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:55 AM Author: Mischievous legal warrant generalized bond For national security purposes he should start bombing the Senate to end faggot filibusters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195212) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:55 AM Author: chartreuse base Republicans don't have the votes to stop shit, moron. Dems completely OWN everything that is happening right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195209) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:56 AM Author: Mischievous legal warrant generalized bond Filibuster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195216) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:59 AM Author: diverse state codepig You may want to look into the 60 vote supermajority in the senate. there were 58 democratic senators when the stimulus was passed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195231) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:06 AM Author: chartreuse base So they impatiently passed a shittty bill instead of waiting until they had 60 votes. Great policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195259) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:09 AM Author: Mischievous legal warrant generalized bond There is no guarantee they could have gotten through the Senate with 60, its a lot harder to get 60 people to vote in block than 40. I don't see how you can blame Obama for the fact the Democratic Party includes conservatives like Ben Nelson. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195278) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:58 AM Author: cerebral alpha "those countries have super generous automatic stabilizer social safety nets."
That tends to *increase* unemployment. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:23 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stimulus-vs-unemployment-october-dots.gif (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195104) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:55 AM Author: Fragrant scarlet regret piazza lolty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195211) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:46 AM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage Fuckin hate Obama (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195937) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:58 AM Author: bright massive circlehead double fault TCR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195044) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:03 AM Author: Sick cruise ship Plus let's not forget the amount of money generously spent by the Obama administration to bring down the unemployment rate... to 10.2% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195052) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:24 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stimulus-vs-unemployment-october-dots.gif (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195105) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:40 AM Author: Razzle Hilarious Boiling Water Place Of Business What percentage of those 10.2% aren't even really looking for a job? People like Earl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195157) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:52 AM Author: Sooty Liquid Oxygen Associate 1981-01 7.50 7.5 Reagan Min. Wage = $3.35 1981-02 7.40 7.4 1981-03 7.40 7.4 1981-04 7.20 7.2 1981-05 7.50 7.5 1981-06 7.50 7.5 1981-07 7.20 7.2 1981-08 7.40 7.4 1981-09 7.60 7.6 1981-10 7.90 7.9 1981-11 8.30 8.3 1981-12 8.50 8.5 1982-01 8.60 8.6 1982-02 8.90 8.9 1982-03 9.00 9 1982-04 9.30 9.3 1982-05 9.40 9.4 1982-06 9.60 9.6 1982-07 9.80 9.8 1982-08 9.80 9.8 1982-09 10.10 10.1 1982-10 10.40 10.4 1982-11 10.80 10.8 1982-12 10.80 10.8 |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:11 AM Author: Lilac anal shrine urrite dood, obama should have made time stand still. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195288) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:52 AM Author: lemon concupiscible corner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-A4QFHZBA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195038) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 8:59 AM Author: bright massive circlehead double fault Here's the real question - what does Obama need to fuck up before the numbers start turning against him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195047) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:02 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo hard to say. the thing about american voters and americans in general is that they are fucking idiots who mainly care about irrelevant social bullshit issues like abortion. as long as he avoids that type of thing (clinton stepped into the gays/military AND gun control messes by 1993), he can probably ride this thing out for a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195051) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:24 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stimulus-vs-unemployment-october-dots.gif (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195106) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:26 AM Author: flatulent french chef Unemployment hit 11% in 1983, yet Reagan was re-elected by a landslide in 1984. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195115) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:27 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy relevance? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195118) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:49 AM Author: Mischievous legal warrant generalized bond That GOP faggots who are ripping Obama for economic conditions 10 months into his term better be willing to rip St. Faggot Reagan for economic 2 years into his term. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195188) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: Demanding khaki bawdyhouse marketing idea Reagan was doing things to try and help the economy recover, and Republicans believed in him that he could do it. AND he did.
I don't think that anyone is seriously arguing that Obama's policies are focused towards fixing the economy and creating jobs - his policies are job killers focused on expanding the social safety net. Now, there are arguments to be made that what O's doing is good, but economy recovery is not on this dude's to do list. That's why I say - fuck 'im. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:30 AM Author: beady-eyed trailer park partner REMINDER:
http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stimulus-vs-unemployment-october-dots.gif |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:30 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195125) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:55 AM Author: maroon magical party of the first part rehab that assumes he lets all the banks fail sending us into the Great Depression Part 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196008) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:34 AM Author: Razzle Hilarious Boiling Water Place Of Business lol, that's nothing. Unemployment in Spain is 20%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195133) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:36 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo it appears to be 17.9%
that raises another interesting point - the argument that "bad economies cause crime" is total bullshit. look at spain. their economy is a reamed gloryhole, but crime and murder are very low. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:39 AM Author: Razzle Hilarious Boiling Water Place Of Business All the young unemployed in Spain are just chilling on the beach. Good times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195150) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:40 AM Author: Black cracking nursing home tattoo how can we implement the same model in america? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195158) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:42 AM Author: Razzle Hilarious Boiling Water Place Of Business wtf, ARE CULTURE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195165) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:48 AM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage It would require having as high of a white population as Spain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195956) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:49 AM Author: garnet motley dopamine take all niggers to the beach? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195959) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:57 AM Author: Infuriating market aren't they SOSHULISTS though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195642) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:42 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy Fuck, and Obama is signing yet another unemployment extension bill. What the hell. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195161) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:44 AM Author: slate trump supporter It's a stealth stimulus bill, and a good idea, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195170) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:44 AM Author: beady-eyed trailer park partner yeah, 99 weeks in many states, including California. Chill on the couch for 2 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195171) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:38 AM Author: Insecure at-the-ready chapel high five (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195892) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:51 AM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage Sounds productive... instaed of hiring them to build electromagnetic trains from Miami to NYC with the stimulus we are paying people to DO NOTHING. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195979) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:53 AM Author: chartreuse base I love how every fucking left wing media spin article starts with "unemployment rose UNEXPECTEDLY" as if it were some shocking occurrence that Obama never could have predicted or prevented. At what point will unemployment start to increase "expectedly"? I've been expecting increases for over a year now.
The stimulus was a colossal fucking failure. LOL @ all the liberals who have to pretend like a billion dollar giveaway to left wing interest groups was good economic policy. There was enough money there to employ all the unemployeds at decent salary for a couple of years. It says a lot when an expenditure of that scope is so poorly allocated that unemployment continues to skyrocket. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:58 AM Author: diverse state codepig But it was the right that fought for the stimulus to take the form of tax cuts instead of direct aid to the unemployed. you cant have it both ways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195222) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 9:59 AM Author: Mischievous legal warrant generalized bond Trust me they will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195228) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:04 AM Author: razzmatazz theatre mad-dog skullcap Obama should have front loaded the stimulus and focused more on infrastructure and actual private-sector job creation, rather than giving out money to various government programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195243) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:09 AM Author: diverse state codepig Thats exactly what he tried to do, it was blocked by republicans in congress, who required direct aid to the states and transportation fundung to be replaced by tax cuts. (and lopped 200 billion of the total stimulus for good measure) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195275) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:11 AM Author: chartreuse base link to republicans blocking private sector job creation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195289) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:22 AM Author: diverse state codepig http://newsletters.agc.org/highway/2009/02/12/stimulus-compromise-includes-reduced-transportation-funding
http://www.jedreport.com/2009/02/gop-blocks-infrastructure-proj.html |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:22 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy I'm sorry, is Mary Landrieau a Republican? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195379) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:28 AM Author: diverse state codepig No, but the 100% of republicans in the senate who voted against the infrastructure spending were. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195413) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:50 AM Author: chartreuse base why do you seem to be under the ridiculous impression that "infrastructure spending" is the best way to create private sector jobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195577) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:11 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy This is FUCKING GARBAGE. The Republicans can't FUCKING BLOCK ANYTHING, you cuntshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195291) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:29 AM Author: diverse state codepig of course they can. centrist democracts cant politically vote for bills that have no bipartisan support. If th eGOP was willing to vote with the administation, the stimulus bill would have much more infrastructure focused, and 200 billion dollars larger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195422) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:03 AM Author: Grizzly orchestra pit Subject: This will be news to Nancy . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195689) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:05 AM Author: chartreuse base I'm not holding that out as good policy, I'm just using it to drive home how massive the expenditure was. If the stimulus had been like 75% tax incentives/25% aid, unemployment would be much lower.
It's a very basic principle that the government should subsidize that which it wants more of. I find it telling that Obama chose to subsidize unemployment and left wing interest groups. There was enough money in that bill to give massive, massive tax subsidies to companies for creating jobs. Subsidies so massive that they would make it stupid NOT to be hiring people. But instead of subsidizing employment, Obama spends money on time-delayed pork and making unemployment more comfortable. WHY? |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:11 AM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling pit Obama did propose a job creation tax credit, but it was stripped out of the bill as too expensive (I think it was taken out by Congressional Dems). There's talk of reinstating that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195286) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:14 AM Author: chartreuse base http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56332
Yeah, I guess doing something to actually create jobs was too expensive when we had critical issues to address like studying Asian long-horned beetles and building snowmaking facilities. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:33 AM Author: diverse state codepig Are biologists, mechanical engineers, and construction workers not people with real jobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195444) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:54 AM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage hahahahahhahahahahahha they're still ALL unemployed you retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195999) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: Walnut pisswyrm A lot of research seems stupid now but tends to pay off long run. I doubt the person who discovered electricity was thinking "COMPUTERS!" at the time.
Lack of long term vision is really what PWNED this country |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:51 AM Author: garnet motley dopamine y da h8 against WGWAG brah? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195977) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:12 AM Author: Brass Electric Skinny Woman i agree with this. most job creation occurs not in the government or even big firms, but those small start-ups and entrepreneurial ventures. Tax credits would have provided a huge incentive for those people to hire workers. Thus far, the stimulus has only grown the size of government. Massive failure on Obama's part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195297) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:32 AM Author: diverse state codepig There was no financing whatsoover available for small firms to expand last year, and no demand for their products even if they had manage to swing some expansion. You are completely delusional as to the appropriate response to a collapse in private demand. It is the government that has to be the consumer of last resort in these situations, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195437) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:14 AM Author: diverse state codepig What exactly would those companies have done with those extra employees? Private demand has completely collapsed. The only entity in any position to do substantial consumption is the government, either in the form of public sector employment or hiring private sector firm to build infrastructure. thats why the tax cut portion of the stimulus is totally unhelpful in the short term. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195311) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:05 AM Author: slate trump supporter Disingenuous and stupid point. When news media say that, they mean the actual figure was above the median or mean estimates of a group of experts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195252) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:10 AM Author: chartreuse base So this group of "experts" has been caught by surprise for over a year even as a J.D. with 6 hours of economics education knows exactly what is going to happen? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195279) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:15 AM Author: Lilac anal shrine Economists are mostly dumb, but that doesn't make you smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195321) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:25 AM Author: diverse state codepig You knew that unemployment was going to be 10.2 and not 9.9? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195396) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:07 AM Author: crusty space lagging indicator. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195261) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:08 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195272) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:14 AM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling pit The jobs number isn't pretty, but job losses have substantially declined from earlier this year. Many of the stimulus programs (aid to states, for example) have slowed or prevented job losses. What I think everyone agrees on is that there should have been more infrastructure spending in year 1; remember though, the size of many of these programs were cut down in the bill making process.
Overall, if I were to ask Obama/Rahm to change one thing, it would be to be more specific about what they want in bills. Both in the stimulus and health care, it's been too process oriented. |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:19 AM Author: chartreuse base So I'm just curious, was it the REPUBLICANS who lobbied to have stimulus spending loaded up right around the time of the midterm elections? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195349) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:21 AM Author: Aromatic native really tough guy You are such an insufferable cunt fag. There wasn't a single fucking Republican given two shits about this, you dumb whore. They are a completely impotent party. Stop fucking blaming them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195369) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:25 AM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling pit Republicans weren't bringing anything to the table.
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:42 AM Author: Grizzly orchestra pit Subject: That is untrue But we would all be better off had nothing been brought to the table. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195911) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 10:52 AM Author: Fragrant scarlet regret piazza your hackery is unbearable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195601) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:07 AM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling pit Explain, pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195717) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:05 AM Author: Infuriating market Lord you are a fucking hack. It's good to see the blacks sticking together, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195709) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:52 AM Author: garnet motley dopamine as always. but Jews do that too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195984) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:04 PM Author: cobalt ungodly church building Really unbelievable that you find HOAP in losing on 200K jobs month after month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196082) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:06 AM Author: Infuriating market the stimulus has been a 200 bil dollar disaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195713) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:51 AM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage 800 billion.
Not to mention, 800 billion could have employed 20,000,000 people for $30,000/yr for 18 months. (cut half that for administrative expenses and it's 10,000,000).... that's about how many total unemployed people there are
Could have revolutionized our infrastructure, instead Obama bankrupted our children... yaaaaay.
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:41 AM Author: provocative sepia forum PSA: We live in a more efficient society with less need for labor. We simply can't employ everyone these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195908) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:50 AM Author: primrose point i thought the new "computer/Internet economy" was supposed to make everything so efficient that we would only have 10 hour work weeks and have the rest of the time for leisure? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195966) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:51 AM Author: Demanding khaki bawdyhouse marketing idea Hence the term: underemployed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195978) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:53 AM Author: primrose point this argument was being made in the late 90s. so it would work this way:
if you were making $50k at 40 hours a week ($24/hour), the new "information age" economy would allow you to make $50k at 10 hours a week ($96/hour) due to increased productivity.
What happened to that? |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:57 AM Author: Demanding khaki bawdyhouse marketing idea Dude, I don't know, but my workweek seems to get longer and longer. When will it end!?!?!?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196028) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: provocative sepia forum Why would anyone employ 4 people at 10 hours a week when they can employ one at 40 and keep the extra money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196056) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:05 PM Author: primrose point because the productivity would be 4x higher with the 4 workers, thus adding 4x value to the company. The "information age" economy was supposed to make us a lot moar productive, like 4x moar productive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196096) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:11 PM Author: provocative sepia forum A company can only have so much success thanks to competitors and a limited amount of consumers. It doesn't need an infinite amount of productivity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196135) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:18 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage The problem with "more production" all it means is that other countries pwn you with people who actually PRODUCE more than you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196172) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:10 PM Author: Demanding khaki bawdyhouse marketing idea Because the Collective Bargaining agreement says you have to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196123) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:53 AM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage Oh ok sounds great bang bang... Instead of the gov just redoing huge amounts of infrastructure with the 5,000,000 people they're paying to be on unemployment... they can just sit around forever and starve to death... fucking moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195989) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:59 AM Author: provocative sepia forum I wasn't offering an answer you mouthbreather. Merely a partial explanation. I think the government should start building wind turbines and those power grids t boone pickens kept babbling on about. As it is, they're fighting to keep things like Amtrak alive though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196046) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:03 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage It's an explanation that is fucking stupid... as 800 million Chinese are presently employed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196075) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:12 PM Author: provocative sepia forum because China is the model for America you mouthbreather. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196139) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage They're doing a lot better business than we are right now with a much higher city standard of living.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196161) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:20 PM Author: provocative sepia forum lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196184) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:21 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage LOL as you haven't ever set foot there before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196190) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:33 PM Author: provocative sepia forum yes of course you mouthbreather. Lets throw a significant portion of our population under the bus so those who live in cities can live a better life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196266) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:34 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage hahahha... you realize the significant portion of your population will live under that bus no matter what you do right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196275) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:47 PM Author: provocative sepia forum yes because there are entire towns in the US that are plagued with cancer because of polluted rivers. There are millions who are living in absolute squalor. Keep sucking that Chinese dick you mouthbreather. What you forget is that the Chinese government is fucking the Chinese, even the successful ones, in the long run. It's easy to go from nothing to something, especially when other countries have already done all the innovating. Every civilized country in the world has done it. The problem is maintaining a wealthy population, not creating it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196422) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 2:26 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage Lol right... Sweden is having huge issues "maintaining their population" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13197221) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:49 AM Author: Demanding khaki bawdyhouse marketing idea It doesn't matter - that simple motherfucker is just going to blame this shit on Bush and focus on his dumb ass great society projects - and virtually all registered democrats won't give a fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195964) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:53 AM Author: maroon magical party of the first part rehab its actually 17.5% when you factor in underemployment and people who have given up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13195985) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:55 AM Author: Infuriating market yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196012) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:56 AM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling pit If you want to use that figure, make sure you compare it to the expanded figure in peak times as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196018) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:57 AM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage Doesn't matter if you did... that figure was like 6% back in 2005. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196027) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:00 PM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling pit Yeah, I'm trying to find it monthly over time going back. BLS has it at 11.1% in October 2008.
EDIT - in May 2007, it was 8.3%
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ils/pdf/opbils67.pdf
Point is the "real unemployment" rate has been higher than the standard one for a few years now; not a new phenomenon |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:04 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage I think what has changed is how MUCH higher it's become.. because there are so many discouraged workers not being counted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196086) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:05 PM Author: maroon magical party of the first part rehab yes, I am just pointing that out. Politicians whether dem or rep always put out the lower number.
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: primrose point OK, 6.8% in Oct. 2000 vs. 17.5% now. 7.9% in Dec 2007 vs. 17.5% now.
U-6 seasonally adjusted on here: http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cpsatab12.htm |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:05 PM Author: Obsidian swashbuckling pit Tks for the link
Broke 10% in June 2008.
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:56 AM Author: primrose point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196020) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 11:56 AM Author: garnet motley dopamine like earl and TMF? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196021) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:07 PM Author: Razzle Hilarious Boiling Water Place Of Business Yeah, factor in all the bums who are chilling on benefits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196104) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:07 PM Author: maroon magical party of the first part rehab and your buddy TDK who is slanging phones at Best Buy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196111) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:15 PM Author: Razzle Hilarious Boiling Water Place Of Business Doing your best to stimulate consumption? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196156) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:17 PM Author: maroon magical party of the first part rehab I bought some batteries and some Jameson to drown my sorrows (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196170) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: balding multi-billionaire abode where will it peak? who will stop the unemployment juggernaut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196059) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:05 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage Nothing will.
I'm surprise the market didn't crash completely today... 10.2% was SUPPOSED to be after Xmas.
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:43 PM Author: Honey-headed odious trust fund den fucking companies are enjoying a jobless recovery. worker productivity is way up. employed people are working furiously to avoid getting layoff pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196375) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:09 PM Author: primrose point look REALLY hard at this graph and tell me.
http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/stimulus-vs-unemployment-october-dots.gif |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:10 PM Author: balding multi-billionaire abode that tells me nothing other than Obama's stimulus under-delivered big time.
Is 12% a reasonable assumption? |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:17 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage I wonder how hard the market will crash once they realize what 10.2% in October means (since that wasn't supposed to happen until March of next year) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196168) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:11 PM Author: flesh autistic school cafeteria old irish cottage Probably 11%+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196131) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:13 PM Author: maroon magical party of the first part rehab that graph assumes he didnt act with anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196142) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: beady-eyed trailer park partner the red dots are the actual unemployment numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196165) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 12:02 PM Author: cobalt ungodly church building 200K jobs lost or destroyed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13196070) |
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Date: November 6th, 2009 2:24 PM Author: balding multi-billionaire abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1131071&forum_id=2#13197208) |