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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:41 AM Author: carmine gas station LOLOL yes, let's find a way to give black students MOAR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2009/12/do-professors-like-anonymous-grading.html |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:59 AM Author: Ungodly Trust Fund Preventive Strike Participation grades already exist and could, presumably, be made larger.
The only purpose of this proposal is to manupulate grades on an ad hoc basis in order to get the desired result. And that smells a lot like affirmative action. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:04 AM Author: Sick translucent brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546699) |
Date: December 14th, 2009 10:51 AM Author: canary impertinent heaven french chef lol, this argument makes no sense whatsoever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546650) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:50 PM Author: Stirring Pisswyrm sort of because you've never made higher than a C in English
the blog's argument is novel and compelling, but I'm not really persuaded |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:53 PM Author: Orchid menage What is novel about it? This was the original argument about 5 years ago to do away with finals in UG or at least take away part of their weight in hard sciences. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:18 PM Author: Stirring Pisswyrm i've never seen it, and haven't seen the argument in the time I paid attention to pedagogy
sorry I didn't attend a TTT blind grading UG where this shit was debated
if what you say is true, it is not novel, but compelling nonetheless |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:27 PM Author: Orchid menage Um... no I went to HYPSM for UG, however, I heard this same argument when I was about 16...
It was a cover for AA admits and kissups then too
If this is compelling to you, thank you populism for allowing mentally disabled people like you to vote. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:56 AM Author: Sick translucent brunch If I was grading his post blindly, I would give it a C+ due to his piss poor reasoning, but if I knew the author was a professor, I would give it an F. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546672) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 10:57 AM Author: clear address reading party All those Asians in the top 10% are making the school look racist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546675) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: canary impertinent heaven french chef Asians tend to be in the second 10% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546778) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: Ungodly Trust Fund Preventive Strike If the author is sincere about needing to link the author and the text, why not simply conduct a seminar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546689) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:02 AM Author: carmine gas station i assume he believes he can learn the authorial intent of all 100 students in his intro to torts course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546690) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:02 AM Author: Cerise brethren If he knows their skin color then he knows enough for his purposes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546695) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:42 PM Author: Saffron Useless Brakes Haunted Graveyard Blind grading protects profs, too, from accusations of racism. If the profs knew who wrote what exam, there is simply no way they could give no As to blacks. If they did so, they would be called into the dean's office, BALSA would hold campus protests, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550366) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:17 AM Author: Gold gaping "We have all had the student that we think is bound for great things do poorly on our exam and the deadbeat student get a B+ (or even an A-)."
Exactly why blind grading is necessary. Profs assumptions are wrong and the "deadbeat" is actually a legal all-star while the kid "destined for great things" is just a loud mouth.
I have a sneaky suspicion that many of profs think I'm a deadbeat yet I have 6 A's and 2 B's. It must drive them nuts. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: canary impertinent heaven french chef I know right! If anything this guy makes me happy about blind grading, given his admission that he wants to screw with results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13546775) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:28 PM Author: Citrine office stock car i would also be a deadbeat according to most profs. always in class but never volunteer and if called on generally fumble the ball - but I've gotten mostly all A's. i know i shocked a few professors meeting with them after grades were released. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547540) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:42 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate Sounds familiar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550380) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: glassy magical school cafeteria headpube tcr. One class I went to only about 1/3 of the time and got the book award. when I asked the prof for a LOR later on, his response was, "Who are you?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547546) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: Well-lubricated abode laser beams did he give you the lor? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547554) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:40 PM Author: Primrose home striped hyena You should have gone to some "office hours." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547607) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: Well-lubricated abode laser beams titcr. this guy is just trolling for gunners. because he was probably a gunner in ls as well. blind grading is necessary to combat these pre-existing biases. the person with the greatest need to be heard is not nexessarily the guy with the strongest legal analysis skill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547551) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:36 PM Author: jet feces shrine cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547575) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:43 PM Author: salmon thriller dragon place of business Word.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 3:40 PM Author: Diverse business firm cumskin Newsflash
Someone who preps for class and does great in class but then bombs the test is a FAILURE.
Someone who studies last minute and gets an A- or A is a WINNER.
This is b/c the only thing that counts is performance on the test. The people that prep solely for the test are the smart ones, b/c that is the only thing that matters. While, it is great that some one put in time prepping for class, this is not what matters. The test is and students that prep for class and not the test are being stupid. Sure they might "deserve" a higher grade b/c they worked harder but life doesn't care what people deserve, it cares who does the better job (in theory at least). This is similar to rewarding an attorney for a beautifully written motion and their pretrial work instead of rewarding the attorney for whether or not they win. The professors are essentially saying they want to reward the stupid (ie: those that don't focus on the test) b/c they feel the stupid are more deserving.
Also, it is clear the professor hates the fact that someone can slack in his class and get an A. If you hate that someone doesn't need to do any work, change your fucking test or make your class harder. Don't punish the person who is working smarter (ie: not doing busy work during the semester when it has no pay off). Not everyone is so fucking in love with your topic area as you are. Some(most) people just aren't in as much love with torts as you are. Just b/c students don't give a shit about the subject, is not a personal insult to you. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:50 PM Author: Orchid menage titmfcr
They actually NEED blind grading in UG. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:24 AM Author: adulterous honey-headed range i pulled A's in several 1L class that i never attended, like seriously, maybe 20% tops. i didn't get anything useful out of the lectures, so i didn't go, but i studied the bll and the committee notes in depth all term.
whenever i get coldcalled, i sound like a total shithead because i can never remember which case is which. that's because my outline is thematic and procedural rather than organized by case. outside of a few classes (con law, fed courts) who the fuck even reads cases? you need to know about six to ace civ pro. the only property case i can ever remember is the one about the goddamned fox.
i don't think there should be a prize for showing up the most. i think there should be a prize for knowing how to apply the frcp, ucc, fre, and mpc to facts better than the dude who sits in the front row and never shuts up.
i'm glad that, if blind grading goes, it'll be after i'm gone. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:31 PM Author: Contagious Codepig Foreskin Why do proffs care what grades students get? They should be thankful that they get paid a lot of money to contribute nothing to society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547556) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:43 PM Author: Motley stag film Seriously. If a "deadbeat student" does well in your class according to the metric that YOU DESIGNED and YOU GRADED, you shouldn't give a shit that they didn't perk up when you dropped your brilliant argument about why unconscionability should be expanded or sprint to the podium to talk about how your article applies to a case that wasn't assigned in the reading. A perfect example of the overflated ego of law professors- students who don't pay attention hurt their feewings. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:46 PM Author: Contagious Codepig Foreskin titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547639) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:33 PM Author: underhanded locale "It is authors as much as words that mark our paths through emails, essays, articles, short stories, and exams." Uh, ok. Let's not have an exam at all. Just rank the class by who you like the most. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:35 PM Author: underhanded locale Judges could also save a LOT of time just looking at the law firm that drafted whatever and make a ruling based on prestige. This dude could be on to something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547573) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:44 PM Author: Motley stag film Supposedly, it does carry a little weight. But his analogy comparing exams to briefs is horseshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547628) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:49 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth "Professor Benforado's scholarship involves applying the insights of social psychology and related fields to law and legal theory. In large part, his work is focused on uncovering how our legal system may reflect unappreciated aspects of our cognitive frameworks and processes, and, as a consequence, how the law may fail to align with our purported values and fail to meet our needs. He is particularly interested in how corporations and other powerful entities exploit psychological proclivities to advance their agendas directly and through the legal system." http://www.drexel.edu/law/faculty/adam-benforado.asp
Fascinating. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:50 PM Author: underhanded locale Corporations. Trying to make money. Really makes you think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547656) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 1:52 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth Indeed. *Cocks head, Strokes chin* |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 10:09 AM Author: Exciting really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620497) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:05 PM Author: odious pearl meetinghouse His CV specifies that he was a state finalist for the Rhodes and was elected to PBK first round during his junior year I've never read a CV before... Is it customary to go into that sort of detail? |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 3:18 PM Author: Arousing macaca No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13548425) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:21 PM Author: Buff electric bawdyhouse i think grad students looking for tenure-track positions go into a lot of detail (like Rhodes finalist, etc) in their CV. but, i mean, obviously they do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552164) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 3:42 PM Author: Diverse business firm cumskin tbf this is an actual valid area of research. I am sure though that it is nowhere near as complicated as he makes it out to be though or need of as much analysis as he gives it though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13548689) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:16 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth Yeah I didn't mean to crap all over the guy's work. But it seems a bit mushy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551564) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:00 PM Author: odious pearl meetinghouse He sounds like a guy who got pwned by a few slackers in LS and can't let go of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547737) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: transparent cracking cuck cruise ship This. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557131) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:05 PM Author: Motley stag film LOL at a Drexel student being "bound for greatness." Does he mean "desperately gunning for a transfer to Cornell"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547767) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 2:07 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13547776) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:43 PM Author: stubborn background story This is dumb. There's a very simple solution. Give four midterms instead of a final. That way you can get a better picture of the student. Profs are just lazy, even though they don't have shit to do otherwise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549820) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:50 PM Author: maroon den pervert that prof got decimated in the comments, mostly from other profs. for a guy like him, does he even think about the fact that he came across as a clueless douchebag, or does he just convince himself that everyone else is wrong? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549861) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 5:55 PM Author: lascivious sweet tailpipe internal respiration SOCIAL JUSTICE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549914) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:03 PM Author: maroon den pervert he wants to give better grades to progressive lefties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549956) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:00 PM Author: Ocher space god what an idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13549934) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:11 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate Is this a flame? How did this guy graduate from HLS? He seems to be under the impression that professors are king makers, who, in a perfect world, would be able to cast aside those A- earning "dead beats" and promote gunners who work their asses off during the semester yet still can't bring it home on the final exam. What kind of crack is this dude smoking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550031) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:11 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth I was wondering the same thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550034) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:13 PM Author: Turquoise Nudist Deer Antler if grading becomes non-blind, people like me are going to be FUCKED UP THE GOAT ARSE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550043) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:14 PM Author: Orchid menage Anyone but AA admits will be... just like they do with UG at these places. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550052) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:18 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth AND the slobbering gunner suck ups. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550091) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:23 PM Author: Orchid menage lol just like fucking gay ass undergrad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550153) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:44 PM Author: stubborn background story yeah, almost as bad as straight ass undergrad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550405) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:50 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market this would probably end up hurting AA admits. there are many conservative professors out there who absolutely hate AA, and their hatred of AA would probably spill over into their grading. the result would be that all AA admits -- i.e., all black and hispanic kids -- get grades of C- and below, i.e., grades that they "really" deserve, regardless of how they actually did on the exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550486) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:53 PM Author: vibrant obsidian ratface ti,oc,flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550525) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:56 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market tiNtcr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550562) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:58 PM Author: Naked Therapy Area What alternate universe do you live in where there are many conservative law professors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550588) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:00 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market the law academy isn't 100% liberal by any means. only retards seriously think that. there are many, many conservative law profs out there, although their fear of being ostracized keeps them quiet and out of the public eye. i'd put the conservative-to-total lawprof ratio at somewhere between 20% and 40%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550616) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:01 PM Author: Saffron Useless Brakes Haunted Graveyard Well they'd be ostracized over "racist" grading if they did what you suggested. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550629) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:04 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market perhaps, but any smart law prof would easily be able to repel those racism charges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550657) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:32 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth Sure they would. People always listen to reason when it comes to this sort of thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550969) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:04 PM Author: Naked Therapy Area There are conservative law profs, mostly of the libertarian variety rather than the ARE country variety, but 20-40%? Are you on drugs? Its not even close to 40%, if you count all the TTT's it may be approaching 20%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550672) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:07 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market there probably aren't many ARE country conservatives in any academic sphere, legal or otherwise, because ARE-countryism kicks in only when a person's IQ dips below 80. the number is indeed 20% to 40%, and it's obviously not comprised solely of libertarians. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550698) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:35 PM Author: Naked Therapy Area fail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551010) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:04 PM Author: Gold gaping i wonder if you really think this. lots of ARE country types are otherwise smart. somehow their thinking has been warped.. kinda like yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551372) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:18 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market let me guess - you believe in a vast conspiracy to control the media, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551580) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:57 PM Author: Gold gaping wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551946) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:58 PM Author: Saffron Useless Brakes Haunted Graveyard No, this would lead to protests, like when students at Harvard protested over there being no black women professors.
Derek Bell used to ask "Are you telling me NO black women are qualified to teach here?"
The answer was YES!
The same question will be asked about why no blacks get an A. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:01 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market this is more or less consistent with my post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550632) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:44 PM Author: Indecent regret ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551115) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:18 PM Author: chestnut hominid I agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551577) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:20 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth lol at your delusional paranoia if you actually think this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551597) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:39 PM Author: chestnut hominid Is it paranoia to think that they would be treated unfairly as much as it for non-URMs to feel that they would be treated unfairly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551783) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:54 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth No, it is much more paranoid and just all around ridiculous. Very few law professors if any would actually advocate discrimination against URMs in grading as some sort of "payback" for AA in admissions. Can you imagine anyone openly advocating that? Presumably you are saying that they would have this practice in secret. It's ludicrous to think that any significant number of profs would be completely dishonest and underhanded in this way. Furthermore, if a prof disagrees with AA then grade discrimination is completely at odds with their whole race-blind belief system. These profs would probably just continue to grade blindly even if they didn't have to. And let's not forget that these profs (who disagree with AA) are very much in the minority anyway.
On the other hand, we know that the vast majority of law professors actually support AA in LS admissions. They probably support AA in hiring as well, and college admissions, and LR membership etc. Why wouldn't they support AA in grading as well? |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:00 PM Author: chestnut hominid Dunno some do some don't. Naive to think that all professors are ultra-liberal and have no racial biases. I had a professor 1L year who would simply not call on black students often. When he called on them he would ask them 1 liner type questions and move on. I was not the only student who noticed this. I can imagine how he'd grade a Jamal vs. a Chad.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:05 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth This is just stupid. For all you know that guy was (foolishly) trying to help urms by not calling on them.
It is the ultra-liberal profs that have the most racial bias. They would support AA in grading. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market you're abnormally retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556982) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:34 PM Author: Buff electric bawdyhouse ugh i am so against this, really.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:00 PM Author: Gold gaping aren't like 80% of URMs in the bottom third? it's hard to imagine that non-blind could make their grades any worse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551972) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:02 PM Author: Laughsome persian immigrant over half in the bottom 10%. its obvious that they'd benefit from non-blind grading. how could things get any worse for them? plus the vast majority of profs believe in AA. they'd use it in 1L grading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551997) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:22 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth harsh but accurate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557157) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:58 PM Author: Laughsome persian immigrant URMs would be a big beneficiary of non-blind grading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551956) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:59 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth Exactly. The guy I was responding to thinks that non-blind grading would hurt URMs because of racist law profs trying to get back at them for AA. lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551969) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:03 PM Author: Laughsome persian immigrant what do you think of the video posted at the bottom? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552007) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:07 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth LOL 180^180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552047) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:21 PM Author: transparent cracking cuck cruise ship lol. Sure buddy... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557146) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 6:59 PM Author: Passionate Grizzly Library Queen Of The Night this article made me so angry i had to calm myself down with six shots of whiskey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550602) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:05 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market do you usually get so retardedly angry at stupid stuff? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550678) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:00 PM Author: canary impertinent heaven french chef Has anyone commented on his tweet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550621) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:04 PM Author: vibrant obsidian ratface the last d00d on there called him flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550661) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:06 PM Author: canary impertinent heaven french chef lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13550693) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:34 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth ROFL, alright which XOer did that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551001) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:02 PM Author: soul-stirring fortuitous meteor LOL at XO Outreachdood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551344) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:11 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth ha, nice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551490) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:36 AM Author: Sick translucent brunch Post #23
Obi Wan - December 14, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Autoadmit . . . You’ll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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Date: December 14th, 2009 7:58 PM Author: soul-stirring fortuitous meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551304) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:08 PM Author: chestnut hominid Ya non-blind grading would absolutely blow anus. I can't think of anyone who would like it aside from the most insufferable gunner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551442) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:39 PM Author: Laughsome persian immigrant
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5828021/ |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 8:43 PM Author: Passionate Grizzly Library Queen Of The Night tyvmft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13551811) |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:10 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth 180^180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552063) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:26 AM Author: carmine gas station 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556887) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:28 AM Author: histrionic spot tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556899) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: Sick translucent brunch 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556925) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:32 AM Author: adulterous honey-headed range 6'1" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556927) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:01 PM Author: Orchid menage 180^180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557060) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:16 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth Worth watching again, ty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557128) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:27 PM Author: transparent cracking cuck cruise ship lmao, I fucking love the internet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557181) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:48 PM Author: Concupiscible box office karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557276) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:01 PM Author: Glittery fuchsia potus 180 finish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557367) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:58 PM Author: carmine gas station 180x2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13564412) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 12:00 AM Author: Multi-colored copper coffee pot center i like the new remix feature. you can just type in any shit you want and make the characters talk:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5836013/ |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 9:29 AM Author: Irradiated national i logged in just to give this a 4.0/180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620347) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 9:35 AM Author: comical turdskin 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620361) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 12:04 PM Author: Pungent Corn Cake 180
"can i borrow a wrench?" |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:31 PM Author: violent razzle-dazzle base stain He wants to be able to judge a student's background and experience- why, because that summer mommy and daddy paid for you to do volunteer work in China or backpack around South America has any relevance to a 1L torts class? Fuck.
The "deadbeat" students are doing exactly what smart people do, they look at a problem (how to get good grades 1L year of law school), and figure out the most efficient way to solve that problem without actually cheating. And if that rubs professors the wrong way, they should change the system to benefit the gunners who spend 12 hours in the library rereading the cases but don't do an hour of research on how to take a law school exam. |
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Date: December 14th, 2009 9:36 PM Author: Mauve vigorous wagecucks This guy is an idiot. His post illustrates exactly why blind grading is essential. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13552333) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:04 AM Author: territorial charismatic filthpig chapel Maybe that was his ultimate point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556782) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:07 AM Author: Laughsome persian immigrant no. he responded, cluelessly, to the comments at his blog and defended his take on it. it was like he didn't realize how stupid he sounded and so he kept going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556795) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:44 AM Author: Turquoise Nudist Deer Antler and chances are, if blind grading were done away with, these so-called "slackers" getting all dem As and A-s would invest more time in prepping for class and participating in discussion and earn similarly high grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556978) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:47 AM Author: Sick translucent brunch I think the above poster was dead on when he said that class would become a complete cluster fuck. Nothing would get accomplished. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557005) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:02 PM Author: Turquoise Nudist Deer Antler yeah, this already happens to some extent 1st semester of 1L year (when people don't know better) and in classes w/ a participation component (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557064) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:01 AM Author: Laughsome persian immigrant
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5828021/ |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:28 AM Author: drunken ladyboy point this is probably a good strategy for Drexel
they could become like Penn's AAA team |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:41 AM Author: aggressive orchestra pit international law enforcement agency i dont believe they blind grade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13556963) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: Supple wrinkle ? they don't have a fucking choice. at least at my school, the registrar gives them exams with no names, and the profs give the registrar grades for each randomly assigned test id #. some schools provide profs the ability to make a minor bump up in the grade _after_ the anon grades are submitted (e.g., max bump can be something like B to B+). fewer allow the prof to make a minor bump down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557558) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 10:22 AM Author: Exciting really tough guy Profs can probably compensate for that by undergrading everyone and then waiting until they get the names back. For example, if someone has what looks like an A- exam, give them a B+. If the list of names comes back and the A- is someone who wasn't a good student, you give them the B+ or bump them down to a B. That would be one sad, pathetic professor though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13620571) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:03 PM Author: Buff electric bawdyhouse i like how this guy is getting pwned on his own blog entry; that really sucks. oh the perils of blogging (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557067) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:32 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market in fairness, non-blind grading worked all through high school and college, so there's no *obvious* reason that it won't work in law school. if you really think about it, the harshest critics of this proposal are just knee-jerk reactionaries, and not very smart ones at that: no one has offered an even superficially reasonable counter-argument to non-blind grading aside from "ZOMG, PROFESSORS WILL USE IT TO DO MOAR AA, RU-ROH" (although my argument above was kinda reasonable), which is a pretty retarded notion to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557203) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:38 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate Did it "work" in UG? Or were the adverse effects simply too small to bother implementing blind grading systems, which carry substantial overhead?
UG grades frequently aren't curved (i.e., they are non-zero sum) and generally don't matter as much as LS grades. And most students don't take on the sort of staggering debt that is associated with LS in UG; there's just far less riding on whether any given professor feels the need to bump "deserving" students up in courses where grading is quite subjective.
Moreover, blind grading is not just a device to assuage the concerns of 1L's. It clearly has an effect: it prevents idiot professors (such as the subject of this thread) from downgrading "deadbeats" who perform well when it counts and upgrading those "bound for great things" who are unable to perform under pressure. We're not talking about a formality. People like this professor would actively meddle with the process if they were so permitted. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:51 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market blind grading "systems carry substantial overhead"? lol, you're going to have to explain that one to me.
and *perhaps* UG grades don't matter "as much as" ls grades, but that's not saying much of anything at all. UG grades are immensely important, primarily because pretty much everyone nowadays has a UG degree. are they as important as ls grades? maybe not, but that's not to say they aren't very important. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:54 PM Author: Orchid menage UG grades are already fucked by bias... You don't seem to know much or went to a TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557316) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:00 PM Author: adulterous honey-headed range you didn't address his 2nd point, that 1L grades are zero-sum while many ug grades are not zero-sum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557360) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:07 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate Flame?
Robust blind grading systems require independent third parties to issue students unique exam ID's for each exam; then professors submit a set of grades for the ID's plus a set of student identified bumps for any discretionary element. The third party then has to properly correlate the grades and students. Notice that in UG there are frequently midterms (sometimes more than one), which means that the professors wouldn't just be reporting to the third party one final grade--they would have to use this blind grading system with unique ID's for every test. If you can't appreciate the overhead this entails, I don't what to tell you.
In LS your fate is largely decided in two semesters. The grading is curved, and the competition is fierce. In UG, classes are frequently not curved and most employers don't make hiring decisions on the basis of fine GPA distinctions--and to the degree that they do, it is generally based on 6-8 semesters of information, making any one class far less important. Moreover, a large percentage of UG majors have exams that are inherently objective (most of the non-humanities majors). Again, if you can't see the huge gulf between UG grades and LS grades, I don't know what to tell you. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:16 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market you're fucking retarded. the things you identify don't require substantial additional overhead. a different way of doing things =/= "additional overhead." this mysterious "third party" you're referring to is just another student worker or two who get paid $9 or so an hour to work in one of the school's administrative offices. (i've been assuming you understand what "overhead" means, but i'm starting to doubt that. i work in finance so yes, i actually do know what it means and i cringe when people use it retardedly.)
and i already addressed your second point. as i said above, ls grades may indeed be more important than ug grades, but there is absolutely no "huge gulf" between the two. you're confusing *how important UG grades are vis-a-vis ls grades* with *how important a given UG course is vis-a-vis a given law school course.* not the same thing genius.
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:24 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate Jesus christ you are dumb.
1. "A different way of doing things" that requires an additional 100 hours of work per semester -> overhead. Also, a $9/hr monkey will probably fuck up 5% of the grades.
2. I'm not confusing the two. Both the lower number of grades (which means it's far more likely that a single professor will screw you over) and the greater emphasis ER's place on grades favor a blind grading system.
You are a horrible poster.
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:26 PM Author: Orchid menage $9/hr people who are college educated are probably smarter than the person they hired from an accounting school/CPA for $50/hr... hope that helps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557542) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:29 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate Smarter? What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about extremely tedious work that requires attention to detail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557551) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: Orchid menage This doesn't really do anything to the argument that a HUG kid just trying to make ends meet would probably do a better job than a CPA who's brought in via consulting to "tally" the numbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557560) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:33 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market lol. i gotta admit, this is actually a novel argument. it's fucking CLEARLY fucking stupid, but it's a new one. you're creative; i'll give you that. "student workers shouldn't ever do tedious work, even though pretty much ALL student workers do tedious work, because they'll fuck it up!!!!!!!!!"
i can only imagine the horrible things that happen in america's college's registrar's, financial aid and other administrative offices, where student workers are required to do tedious work. our whole educational system will explode tomorrow because of all these student workers. yes, that must be it. makes total sense. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:35 PM Author: Orchid menage You're still an idiot sephardim... though it does seem likely that the college kids are being royally fucked pay wise and yet doing an excellent job in this case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557577) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:42 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market an "idiot" who's never been proven wrong? i guess i can live with that. hey is it backwards day or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557615) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:36 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate That was definitely my argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557588) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:29 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market hey can you do me a favor and completely remove the word "overhead" from your vocabulary? no seriously, can you? and think about what your argument has become: "well, uh, student workers, uh, will fuck up blind grading so, uh, well, we have to use highly paid geniuses to do the monkey work that is blind grading administration, which is why teh blind grading adds a lot of teh overhead!!!!!!!!!!!!"
go ahead and respond with "you're a bad poster." that's literally the only thing you've got going for you in this debate. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:30 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate *lives in a world with zero transaction costs* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557559) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:35 PM Author: Supple wrinkle you really are a fucking moron. call up any law school and ask them how much anon grading costs them per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557578) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:38 PM Author: Hyperventilating walnut party of the first part senate Right. Then multiply that per student expense by a factor of 4 or 5, and you'd probably get some sense of what it would cost per student to implement the same sort of system in UG. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557595) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:43 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557617) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:48 PM Author: Gold gaping you're a fucking retard. probably the worst poster on this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557275) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:51 PM Author: adulterous honey-headed range sephardim-style comeback: "lol, you're unusually retarded. i couldn't understand your post because the second 'sentence' didn't ever have a verb." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557295) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:52 PM Author: aquamarine curious yarmulke market in fairness to me, how would you respond to a post like that? in kind, right? right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557300) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:01 PM Author: adulterous honey-headed range lol at your obtuse faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557365) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:33 PM Author: Bespoke kitty public bath what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557204) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:33 PM Author: 180 red lodge Did Orin Kerr really comment on that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557207) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:38 PM Author: Glittery fuchsia potus pretty sure he's a pumo poaster here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557230) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:39 PM Author: Hairraiser son of senegal ticket booth Yes, a law prof blogger commented on a law prof blog. Shocking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557237) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:40 PM Author: 180 red lodge oh hai Orin! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557238) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:51 PM Author: Concupiscible box office karate what a fucking horrible idea epecially for large lecture classes. how many profs even know anything about more than a hadful of students. This would essentially let them pick who got the As and let everyoe else fight over the scraps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13557296) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 9:57 AM Author: Exciting really tough guy "We have all had the student that we think is bound for great things do poorly on our exam and the deadbeat student get a B+ (or even an A-). That hurts given that potential employers (law firms, judges, and others) use grades as a primary screening tool when deciding between candidates."
Or maybe you were WRONG about who was smart/hardworking and who was trying to appear smart/hardworking. I guess that thought didn't enter your mind. Learning is done at home not in class while wasting everyone's time with inane commentary or sucking up to you in office hours you WASTE OF SPACE. Get a real fucking job. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2009 12:44 PM Author: Turquoise Nudist Deer Antler it's ridiculous how much profs want their dicks sucked. i wonder if they have no friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1164612&forum_id=2#13621585) |