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How does BIGLAW treat you when you first arrive?
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:24 PM Author: Silver Razzmatazz Organic Girlfriend Like the fist month or so, are the senior associates you're getting work from (I assume you don't work for partners for a while) - how do they treat you? How does the firm as a whole treat you? Do they ride your ass from day one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13557163) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:27 PM Author: concupiscible sienna turdskin "Bitch, write my memo."
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:28 PM Author: Silver Razzmatazz Organic Girlfriend lol really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13557185) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:48 PM Author: concupiscible sienna turdskin do you seriously expect a lot of hand holding and kind words for 160k a year?
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Date: December 15th, 2009 6:47 PM Author: Arousing sandwich I'm sure you're aware of it, but you are the kind of person that makes the "profession" as miserable as it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13560513) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:50 PM Author: concupiscible sienna turdskin yep, but Im good at what I do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563428) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:56 PM Author: Arousing sandwich being a strident asshole with a chip on his shoulder? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563508) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:25 PM Author: awkward bespoke plaza nice. there's a shortage of competent microsoft word operators in our culture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059990) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:45 PM Author: Obsidian bipolar keepsake machete idiot cool bro, tell us about your start in shitlaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14060270) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:18 PM Author: Fear-inspiring curious resort TBF, I get credit for this too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563793) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:22 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location I love how you're proud of this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563853) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:23 PM Author: Fear-inspiring curious resort I'm just doing my part to cause the collapse of biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563869) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:24 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location why kill the thing you love? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563877) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:25 PM Author: Fear-inspiring curious resort I hate biglaw, where have you been? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563886) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:26 PM Author: razzle-dazzle location right, but you derive your entire self-worth from it. I assumed there was some kind of Stockholm Syndrome at work here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563903) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:20 PM Author: Irate Alcoholic Office don't you mean "You write my memo boy!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14034174) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:31 PM Author: racy duck-like potus at Latham you come in and setup your office. dave gordon then calls you down to the conference room to lay you off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13557195) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:55 PM Author: Indigo Boyish Rigpig LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13557324) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:58 PM Author: Emerald church immigrant i highly recommend this poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563539) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: Flesh very tactful striped hyena roommate cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13945422) |
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Date: January 28th, 2010 9:29 PM Author: Lascivious internal respiration sweet tailpipe haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13945455) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 3:57 PM Author: Chest-beating forum gay wizard lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14034032) |
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Date: February 16th, 2010 3:04 PM Author: supple lemon gunner orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14138800) |
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Date: February 16th, 2010 3:08 PM Author: Contagious toilet seat meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14138842) |
Date: December 15th, 2009 12:34 PM Author: federal newt sink or swim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13557213) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 12:52 PM Author: Obsidian bipolar keepsake machete idiot don't stop git it git it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13557299) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 1:04 PM Author: maize greedy cruise ship lettuce first you sign all the HR forms, then you're given a set of kneepads and, after that, there is a final tube of KY handed out with the verbal warning, "don't go too crazy with it, it's all you get for your first 3 months"
then the fun begins (translation: this is not a summer program) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 6:44 PM Author: Salmon mood they don't "ride your ass from day one" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13560468) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:53 PM Author: Jade Church Building Windowlicker how would you describe it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563466) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 7:05 PM Author: Mauve hairraiser rigor At my firm it's kind of a mix, hours-wise. Some people are slammed, some aren't. But I've never heard of any first years being treated unprofessionally (yelling, etc.). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13560724) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 9:37 PM Author: citrine sound barrier death wish I am in a niche practice. With that said, first years are typically sort of ignored for the first month or so. The learning curve is steep so they ease a first year into it. There is a lot of nonbillable work for the first year, and some pro bono work also. Typically, it is all the stuff that the more senior people don't want to deal with.
After the first two months, you start getting integrated into projects by being assigned very discrete issues to research and report back on.
Partners are generally nice, but make no mistake, they expect things to be correct and delivered on time. There is simply no excuse for sloppy research or lack of attention to detail. Writing styles always differ coming out of law school, so people generally expect that a first year will need some time to learn the best way to write for clients. But poor research or late assignments will be a deal-killer.
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:53 PM Author: Learning Disabled Theater Old Irish Cottage I'll never know (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563463) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:55 PM Author: Violet Point Depends on what firm and whether you are any good. We have first years who go from doc review to doc review with BS memos mixed in. Me, back when, I was writing briefs and taking deps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563493) |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:56 PM Author: aphrodisiac pit My first assignments were memos and smaller transactions where I worked directly with a 5th-year associate who was running the deal, and asked me to do all of the ancillary documents (board resolutions, disclosure schedules and such). Some first years were stuck on doc review/diligence right away. You might get lucky and be asked to do something substantive, like draft/negotiate a disclosure schedule or side agreement.
Your "mentor" may take you to lunch somewhere in the area. People are usually happy to see you and grateful for the extra manpower.
Life sucks by the second month. |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 10:57 PM Author: Rambunctious Excitant Public Bath Voyeur My experience may be unusual, as I was slotted into a pretty particular practice group in IP based on my background, but I felt like I got a ton of attention/training/mentoring from partners and senior associates right from the first week. They had a number of assignments ready and waiting for me when I started, and they spent a ton of time getting me up to speed so i could do worthwhile work.
Edit: As the guy above said, they were happy to get the extra help and wanted me to be able to pitch in competently ASAP |
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Date: December 15th, 2009 11:26 PM Author: Soul-stirring purple selfie clown Like shit, and it never stops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#13563909) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:15 PM Author: wonderful box office new associates are raped and farted upon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14034124) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:16 PM Author: spruce beady-eyed headpube gang or individually? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14034128) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:16 PM Author: wonderful box office raped individually, farted upon by a gang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14034135) |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:25 PM Author: Dull Locale At my firm, the lit first years a year ago were put on a doc review project that required mandatory 10 billable hours/day while they were still in orientation. That doc review project lasted about 2 months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14034219) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:30 PM Author: awkward bespoke plaza "doc review project that required mandatory 10 billable hours/day"
so what is that, like 20 hours a week? |
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Date: February 6th, 2010 4:29 PM Author: motley den mental disorder I've been treated well so far, but im in bigregionallaw.
I've worked directly with a junior partner quite a bit and have gone out to lunch/drinks with partners a couple times.
Most people in our office leave by 7. I worked until 10:00 one day which is rare for our office and was bought drinks for doing so. |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 9:37 PM Author: Elite Vivacious Skinny Woman Fortuitous Meteor I am a first year in corporate, and so far my hours haven't been bad. I try to work 8:30-7 with a short lunch, and a couple days each week I work later to get assignments finished. I've worked with partners and senior associates, and a mix of billable and non-billable work. Managing to stay busy but not slammed. And praying to god I don't do something too stupid. For the most part everyone is civil and friendly--no screamers. How many hours are you January starters billing? |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 9:38 PM Author: maize greedy cruise ship lettuce market? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059246) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:15 PM Author: Elite Vivacious Skinny Woman Fortuitous Meteor Secondary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059862) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:00 PM Author: motley den mental disorder 25/wk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059645) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:19 PM Author: Elite Vivacious Skinny Woman Fortuitous Meteor I did between 30 and 35 the last couple weeks, plus a shit ton of non-billable. Total hours have been around 60/week, which doesn't feel that painful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059911) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:21 PM Author: motley den mental disorder yeah, I've been doing a lot of non-billable so i've been working about 50-60 actual hours. just not much billable work right now, at least in my department. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059936) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:13 PM Author: violent cracking market multi-billionaire lucky dude, i know several people from a couple of markets who are working 250-300 hour januaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059827) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:18 PM Author: Elite Vivacious Skinny Woman Fortuitous Meteor Not sure I'd wish for that many hours, but struggling to bill 30-40 every week keeps making me nervous. I literally walk in the door most days with <2 hours of predictable billables, then wait for people to give me more assignments. Working so far, but a little too "on the edge" for my taste. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059897) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:20 PM Author: motley den mental disorder 30-40 is plenty.
I'm getting ~ 25 and thats more than most other people who started in January |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 9:46 PM Author: vibrant chapel At one firm in LA, the Senior partner goes shopping at Barney's and Tiffany's while you cry in your parent's basement because he fired you after 3 months on the job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059396) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 9:48 PM Author: carnelian hall They treat me fine. I've had steady to busy levels of work but some it my class don't. It depends a lot on practice area and luck. No one yells. Biglaw is quite passive/aggressive. When they want you gone people stop giving you work and then they tell you you haven't met your hours and you move along. There's very little that's unpleasant about it if you will be here short term IMO. Hours suck sometimes but this is temporary for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059424) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:15 PM Author: flickering medicated wagecucks space I may never experience this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14059851) |
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Date: February 8th, 2010 10:44 PM Author: Multi-colored Disrespectful Ceo It's a little weird because you will think quality work and solid analysis would put you on the fast track. You are wrong. The only thing that matters in life are typos. Typos decide cases and are the most important thing of all time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1165555&forum_id=2#14060255) |