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List of things Nabokov hates
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:08 PM Author: racy pale potus Bertolt Brecht Bryusov Michel Butor – “I do not care for Butor.” Albert Camus – “It is a shame he [Franz Hellens] is read less than that awful Monsieur Camus.” Cervantes (”a cruel and crude book”) Joseph Conrad – “I cannot abide Conrad’s souvenir-shop style” – “I differ from Joseph Conradically.” Theodore Dreiser Fyodor Dostoevsky (his best work is The Double, “a shameful imitation of Gogol’s The Nose“) – “I dislike intensely The Karamazov Brothers and the ghastly Crime and Punishment“ Ilya Ehrenberg T S Eliot – “the not quite first-rate” William Faulkner – “Faulkner’s corncobby chronicles” John Galsworthy Nikolai Gogol (Ukrainian stories only) – “at his worst … he is a worthless writer” Maxim Gorky Ernest Hemingway (except for “The Killers” and “the wonderful fish story”) Henry James – “I really dislike him intensely”, apart from the odd turn of phrase James Joyce (Finnegans Wake, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, but not Ulysses) – “I detest Punningans Wake” – “the unfortunate Finnegans Wake is nothing but a formless and dull mass of phony folklore, a cold pudding of a book, a persistent snore in the next room, most aggravating to the insomniac” – “Actually, I never liked A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. I find it a feeble and garrulous book.” Nikos Kazantzakis D H Lawrence (Lady Chatterley’s Lover certainly) Lorca Thomas Mann (the “asinine” Death in Venice certainly) Odoevski Boris Pasternak – “Pasternak’s melodramatic and vilely written Zhivago” Plato Luigi Pirandello – “I never cared for Pirandello” Ezra Pound – “the pretentious nonsense of Mr.Pound, that total fake” Romain Rolland Jean-Paul Sartre – “and even more awful [than Camus] Monsieur Sartre.” Rabindranath Tagore Leo Tolstoy (others) – “I detest Resurrection, I detest The Kreutzer Sonata … War and Peace, though a little too long, is a rollicking historical novel”, though basically written for children Thomas Wolfe Yevgeny Yevtushenko -”I’ve seen his work. Quite second-rate. He’s a good Communist.” Yevgeny Zamyatin |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:09 PM Author: racy pale potus i wonder why he hated BK- it's one of my favorite books :/ also i love sartre. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781726) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:11 PM Author: Cocky point factory reset button the explanation is very obvious, dear bel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781750) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:13 PM Author: racy pale potus EXPLAIN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781782) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:15 PM Author: Cocky point factory reset button you're a philistine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781803) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:15 PM Author: racy pale potus stfu & answer me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781804) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:20 PM Author: Cocky point factory reset button you like things he hates, like being a big philistine. ironic since you're the closest this board has to a nymphet; lord knows the box's body is disgusting
also isn't there an etymologic cxn between "palestine" and "philistine"? props to both for battling the jews regardless |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:11 PM Author: Iridescent degenerate trump supporter If you don't understand why he hated Dostoevsky and Sartre, then you shouldn't have posted the OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781754) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: racy pale potus explain why he hated them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781760) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:13 PM Author: Iridescent degenerate trump supporter Because they were lightweight philosophers who tried to pose as writers, and unskilled writers who tried to pass themselves off as deep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781779) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:14 PM Author: racy pale potus yeah that makes sense. it's no wonder nabokov always shied away from bringing philosophy into his works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781791) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:10 PM Author: Cocky point factory reset button he liked Gogol's real work. and you've forgotten FREUD and psychoanalysis in general (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781741) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:11 PM Author: racy pale potus yeah he HATED freud, but i didn't make the list. i just copied and pasted from this site http://www.mjiles.com/obookispage/?page_id=157 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781756) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:13 PM Author: Turquoise Diverse Half-breed Not familiar with
* John Barth * Thomas Pynchon
O SNAP |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:21 PM Author: fragrant toilet seat hah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781871) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:36 PM Author: Flatulent scourge upon the earth Damn whok is gonna want him dead - again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782056) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:46 PM Author: Floppy avocado people who are hurt filthpig Barth kicks ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783084) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:10 PM Author: poppy comical nursing home pistol lulz.
and what did he like? |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: racy pale potus Samuel Beckett – (but not his plays) “Beckett is the author of lovely novellas and wretched plays in the Maeterlinck tradition. The trilogy is my favourite, especially Molloy.” Andrei Bely – “Petersburg is a splendid fantasy” Bergson Alexander Blok Robert Browning Lewis Carroll Anton Chekhov Norman Douglas Emerson Gustave Flaubert Franz Kafka Nikolai Gogol (non-Ukrainian stories)- “at his best, he is incomparable and inimitable” Nathaniel Hawthorne Franz Hellens – “Speaking of precursors of the New Novel, there is F H, a Belgian, who is very important … I tried to get someone in the States to publish him … but nothing came of it.” Housman Ilf and Petrov James Joyce (Ulysses, at least – not Finnegans Wake) John Keats Jorge Luis Borges – “Borges is … a man of infinite talent” Hermann Melville Osip Mendalstam John Milton Yuri Olesha Edgar Allen Poe (but only as a youth) Proust Pushkin Raymond Queneau – “Q’s Exercises in Style is a thrilling masterpiece and, in fact, one of the greatest stories in French Literature. I am also very fond of Q’s Zazie.” Rimbaud Alain Robbe-Grillet – “His fiction is magnificently poetical and original” J D Salinger William Shakespeare Laurence Sterne – “I love Sterne” Leo Tolstoy (some) – “I consider Anna Karenin the supreme masterpiece of c19th literature. It is closely followed by The Death of Ivan Ilyich … “ Ivan Turgenev John Updike Verlaine H G Wells – “his romances and fantasias are superb”, “a writer for whom I have the deepest admiration is HGW … I could talk endlessly about Wells” Mikhail Zoshchenko |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:14 PM Author: Cocky point factory reset button "but only as a youth" typical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781800) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:21 PM Author: Cocky point factory reset button this was flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781868) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:24 PM Author: racy pale potus no really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781911) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:18 PM Author: Iridescent degenerate trump supporter As far as I can tell, that's a pretty good list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781831) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:25 PM Author: racy pale potus yeah. it's good to know he didn't like beckett's plays either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781926) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:19 PM Author: hideous purple home stain Oh wow Ilf/Petrov and Wells. Such a product of his times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781853) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:29 PM Author: exciting beta location psychic weird that he likes updike over faulkner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781965) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:31 PM Author: racy pale potus it's weird that he thought sartre was worse than camus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781980) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:36 PM Author: exciting beta location psychic i guess; i never really liked the plague that much tbh. haven't read too much sartre fiction-i thought all the existential fiction writers were TTT... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782054) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:38 PM Author: racy pale potus 'nausea' and 'the flies' are great stories by sartre. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782084) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:22 PM Author: hideous purple home stain also, cute accusation for D. when he did the same with invitation to a beheading (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781886) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:27 PM Author: racy pale potus i haven't read that one. should i bother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781942) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:31 PM Author: hideous purple home stain very trialish but i think about it often (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781995) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:38 PM Author: Clear Giraffe Library Hahahahahahhahahaha at Nabokov criticizing Brecht, Eliot, Pound, James, and D.H. Lawrence. Just, lol.
And I'm sure he doesn't "hate" Plato. That would make no sense. Who hates Plato? I can't even imagine that having content. Who evaluates Plato aesthetically? Who is in a position to? Not Nabokov, certainly. |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:43 PM Author: Iridescent degenerate trump supporter At least Nabokov had the balls to make an unmistakable stance on writers he didn't care for, and I see nothing wrong with disparaging those writers, especially Brecht and Pound.
Plenty of people find Plato distasteful. |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:59 PM Author: Clear Giraffe Library They disagree with this or that thing. I've never heard of someone actually trained in philosophy finding Plato "distasteful." I think that'd only be possible if you read Plato as though he wrote today, or, altenativelt, try to jam him into a Procrustean bed of your preferred ideology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782365) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:07 PM Author: Iridescent degenerate trump supporter "someone actually trained in philosophy finding Plato "distasteful."
Who cares. Was Nietzsche trained in philosophy? |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:44 PM Author: Galvanic white coffee pot This is kind of credited. Nietzsche on Plato: "I am a complete skeptic about Plato, and I have never been able to join in the admiration for the artist Plato which is customary among scholars." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783053) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:47 PM Author: Iridescent degenerate trump supporter I hate the way these idiots think that their meager UG phil major entitles them to make irresponsible declarations on who has the right to philosophize. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783113) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:16 AM Author: Clear Giraffe Library Of course he was. What a ridiculous question.
At any rate, Nietzsche took Plato extremely seriously, and dedicated a good part of his scholarship to subverting Platonic dialogues. Whatever we might say of this kind of patricide, I don't think it's the facile "hatred" of one who just thinks, "Dur, what a dumbass. He was wrong about, like, a lot of stuff." To know Plato in any capacity is to respect him. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:21 AM Author: Iridescent degenerate trump supporter Strawman. The word I used was distasteful. And Nietzsche definitely found Plato distasteful.
Also? You're confusing philology with philosophy. Here is the fuller quote by the other guy. WHy not read what Nietzsche said about Plato?
For heaven's sake, do not throw Plato at me. I am a complete skeptic about Plato, and I have never been able to join in the admiration for the artist Plato which is customary among scholars. In the end, the subtlest judges of taste among the ancients themselves are here on my side. Plato, it seems to me, throws all stylistic forms together and is thus a first-rate decadent in style: his responsibility is thus comparable to that of the Cynics, who invented the satura Menippea. [1] To be attracted by the Platonic dialogue, this horribly self-satisfied and childish kind of dialectic, one must never have read good French writers—Fontenelle, for example. [2] Plato is boring. [3] |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:55 AM Author: Clear Giraffe Library (1) I admit Nietzsche found Plato "distasteful." I am only committed to the proposition that he did not hate Plato in the sense I gave.
(2) I feel like we're going to have to disagree on the way 19th century philology was done and the extent to which it incorporated philosophical training. Moreover, whatever one thinks of, you know, Nietzsche-level genius, my comment re: training and knowledge of Plato were intended to apply to the wider congress of thinking people. Language tends to admit of exceptions in this way. |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:23 PM Author: racy pale potus i'm trying to research why he hated plato. but yeah anyway i hate plato. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782686) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:18 AM Author: Clear Giraffe Library Yes but no one cares what you think about Plato, and while we might give Nabokov's opinion more than a careless dismissal on account of his intellect or erudition, no one could marshal a plausible reason for why we should do the same for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784632) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:43 AM Author: racy pale potus wow you really have a stick up your arse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784975) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:56 AM Author: racy pale potus you're such a dork. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785162) |
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Date: May 31st, 2010 8:49 AM Author: Cocky point factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#15124835) |
Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: honey-headed hunting ground pit lol ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781766) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: Emerald supple address ape LOL, he hated Gogol so much he wrote a flattering book-length study of his Major Works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781772) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:18 PM Author: racy pale potus dead souls is a funny book; i probably laughed like 50 times while reading it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781830) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:20 PM Author: hideous purple home stain he likes G's russian stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781857) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:57 AM Author: Arrogant organic girlfriend "he hated Gogol so much"
Link? |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:34 PM Author: Bateful hateful casino foreskin Nabokov at once pronounced judgment: "Tender is the Night, magnificent; The Great Gatsby, terrible." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782029) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:39 PM Author: violent kitchen personal credit line Ziggy Freud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782095) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:50 PM Author: Orange Associate grownup chicks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782259) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:53 PM Author: Cocky point factory reset button humbert humbert, for not recognizing hummingbird hawk moth. not flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782290) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:15 PM Author: Adventurous gay wizard alpha joyce? lol. that's like hating YLS; joyce is generally adored/revered by literary critics and academics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782595) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:21 PM Author: racy pale potus he hated a portrait of the artist as a young man which is objectively shitty. nabokov also mocked the book in his stories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782660) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:47 PM Author: Adventurous gay wizard alpha no offense, but you have much explaining to do. http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100bestnovels.html #3 on the board's list, #57 on the reader's list lollll let's defer to the critics on this one man |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 11:13 PM Author: house-broken locale In 'Speak, Memory' he claimed to hate music as well. I doubt he had genuine contempt for any more than a few particular authors or works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783590) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:18 AM Author: free-loading lay I'd take Women in Love over anything Nabokov wrote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784633) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:45 AM Author: Startled institution he seems to hate eveyone who's s better writer than he is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784990) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:54 AM Author: racy pale potus the list is accurate though. there was a divide between the existentialists and, well, nabokov. sartre & camus were inspired by dostoyevsky while nabokov was inspired by the french modernists - proust and bergson (and of course camus rejected bergson's conception of time). faulkner and hemmingway were part of the divide, grouped with existentialists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785135) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:55 AM Author: Startled institution Nabokov is a decent writer and thats about it. for him to not only compare himself to but to insult faulkner and joyce is hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785145) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:04 AM Author: snowy love of her life the thing about people dissing Dostoevsky because he was a "novelist peddling watered-down philosophy" is bullshit. he was a great philosopher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785259) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:05 AM Author: Startled institution he's a shitty writer though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785269) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:08 AM Author: racy pale potus so you prefer nabokov over him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785290) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:09 AM Author: Startled institution Yes, absolutely, and I don't particularly like Nabokov.
I do not like Russian literature at all and I think Fyodor is a representation of everything about it that I detest. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 4:20 AM Author: carmine beady-eyed stage What ticks you off about Big D? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14786904) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:58 AM Author: Arrogant organic girlfriend I definitely prefer nabokov, bulgakov, pushkin, tolstoy and a ton of other authors over him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14786954) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:13 AM Author: snowy love of her life it is what it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785343) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:57 AM Author: Arrogant organic girlfriend "he was a great philosopher."
No he wasn't. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 4:30 AM Author: Big gold dopamine People who can't tell the difference between butterflies and moths.
Kitsh. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:59 AM Author: Arrogant organic girlfriend I disagree on Yevtushenko but I <3 him for saying this about Dostoevsky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14786955) |