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List of things Nabokov hates
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:08 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich Bertolt Brecht Bryusov Michel Butor – “I do not care for Butor.” Albert Camus – “It is a shame he [Franz Hellens] is read less than that awful Monsieur Camus.” Cervantes (”a cruel and crude book”) Joseph Conrad – “I cannot abide Conrad’s souvenir-shop style” – “I differ from Joseph Conradically.” Theodore Dreiser Fyodor Dostoevsky (his best work is The Double, “a shameful imitation of Gogol’s The Nose“) – “I dislike intensely The Karamazov Brothers and the ghastly Crime and Punishment“ Ilya Ehrenberg T S Eliot – “the not quite first-rate” William Faulkner – “Faulkner’s corncobby chronicles” John Galsworthy Nikolai Gogol (Ukrainian stories only) – “at his worst … he is a worthless writer” Maxim Gorky Ernest Hemingway (except for “The Killers” and “the wonderful fish story”) Henry James – “I really dislike him intensely”, apart from the odd turn of phrase James Joyce (Finnegans Wake, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, but not Ulysses) – “I detest Punningans Wake” – “the unfortunate Finnegans Wake is nothing but a formless and dull mass of phony folklore, a cold pudding of a book, a persistent snore in the next room, most aggravating to the insomniac” – “Actually, I never liked A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. I find it a feeble and garrulous book.” Nikos Kazantzakis D H Lawrence (Lady Chatterley’s Lover certainly) Lorca Thomas Mann (the “asinine” Death in Venice certainly) Odoevski Boris Pasternak – “Pasternak’s melodramatic and vilely written Zhivago” Plato Luigi Pirandello – “I never cared for Pirandello” Ezra Pound – “the pretentious nonsense of Mr.Pound, that total fake” Romain Rolland Jean-Paul Sartre – “and even more awful [than Camus] Monsieur Sartre.” Rabindranath Tagore Leo Tolstoy (others) – “I detest Resurrection, I detest The Kreutzer Sonata … War and Peace, though a little too long, is a rollicking historical novel”, though basically written for children Thomas Wolfe Yevgeny Yevtushenko -”I’ve seen his work. Quite second-rate. He’s a good Communist.” Yevgeny Zamyatin |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:09 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich i wonder why he hated BK- it's one of my favorite books :/ also i love sartre. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781726) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:11 PM Author: pungent school cafeteria the explanation is very obvious, dear bel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781750) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:13 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich EXPLAIN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781782) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:15 PM Author: pungent school cafeteria you're a philistine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781803) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:15 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich stfu & answer me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781804) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:20 PM Author: pungent school cafeteria you like things he hates, like being a big philistine. ironic since you're the closest this board has to a nymphet; lord knows the box's body is disgusting
also isn't there an etymologic cxn between "palestine" and "philistine"? props to both for battling the jews regardless |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:11 PM Author: bisexual gas station famous landscape painting If you don't understand why he hated Dostoevsky and Sartre, then you shouldn't have posted the OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781754) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich explain why he hated them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781760) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:13 PM Author: bisexual gas station famous landscape painting Because they were lightweight philosophers who tried to pose as writers, and unskilled writers who tried to pass themselves off as deep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781779) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:14 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich yeah that makes sense. it's no wonder nabokov always shied away from bringing philosophy into his works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781791) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:10 PM Author: pungent school cafeteria he liked Gogol's real work. and you've forgotten FREUD and psychoanalysis in general (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781741) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:11 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich yeah he HATED freud, but i didn't make the list. i just copied and pasted from this site http://www.mjiles.com/obookispage/?page_id=157 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781756) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:13 PM Author: Marvelous Lay Not familiar with
* John Barth * Thomas Pynchon
O SNAP |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:21 PM Author: cyan outnumbered partner hah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781871) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:36 PM Author: High-end Twisted Lodge Mexican Damn whok is gonna want him dead - again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782056) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:46 PM Author: Beady-eyed ocher pisswyrm fortuitous meteor Barth kicks ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783084) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:10 PM Author: sooty step-uncle's house lulz.
and what did he like? |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich Samuel Beckett – (but not his plays) “Beckett is the author of lovely novellas and wretched plays in the Maeterlinck tradition. The trilogy is my favourite, especially Molloy.” Andrei Bely – “Petersburg is a splendid fantasy” Bergson Alexander Blok Robert Browning Lewis Carroll Anton Chekhov Norman Douglas Emerson Gustave Flaubert Franz Kafka Nikolai Gogol (non-Ukrainian stories)- “at his best, he is incomparable and inimitable” Nathaniel Hawthorne Franz Hellens – “Speaking of precursors of the New Novel, there is F H, a Belgian, who is very important … I tried to get someone in the States to publish him … but nothing came of it.” Housman Ilf and Petrov James Joyce (Ulysses, at least – not Finnegans Wake) John Keats Jorge Luis Borges – “Borges is … a man of infinite talent” Hermann Melville Osip Mendalstam John Milton Yuri Olesha Edgar Allen Poe (but only as a youth) Proust Pushkin Raymond Queneau – “Q’s Exercises in Style is a thrilling masterpiece and, in fact, one of the greatest stories in French Literature. I am also very fond of Q’s Zazie.” Rimbaud Alain Robbe-Grillet – “His fiction is magnificently poetical and original” J D Salinger William Shakespeare Laurence Sterne – “I love Sterne” Leo Tolstoy (some) – “I consider Anna Karenin the supreme masterpiece of c19th literature. It is closely followed by The Death of Ivan Ilyich … “ Ivan Turgenev John Updike Verlaine H G Wells – “his romances and fantasias are superb”, “a writer for whom I have the deepest admiration is HGW … I could talk endlessly about Wells” Mikhail Zoshchenko |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:14 PM Author: pungent school cafeteria "but only as a youth" typical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781800) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:21 PM Author: pungent school cafeteria this was flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781868) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:24 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich no really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781911) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:18 PM Author: bisexual gas station famous landscape painting As far as I can tell, that's a pretty good list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781831) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:25 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich yeah. it's good to know he didn't like beckett's plays either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781926) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:19 PM Author: adventurous saffron international law enforcement agency fat ankles Oh wow Ilf/Petrov and Wells. Such a product of his times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781853) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:29 PM Author: charismatic primrose filthpig weird that he likes updike over faulkner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781965) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:31 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich it's weird that he thought sartre was worse than camus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781980) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:36 PM Author: charismatic primrose filthpig i guess; i never really liked the plague that much tbh. haven't read too much sartre fiction-i thought all the existential fiction writers were TTT... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782054) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:38 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich 'nausea' and 'the flies' are great stories by sartre. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782084) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:22 PM Author: adventurous saffron international law enforcement agency fat ankles also, cute accusation for D. when he did the same with invitation to a beheading (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781886) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:27 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich i haven't read that one. should i bother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781942) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:31 PM Author: adventurous saffron international law enforcement agency fat ankles very trialish but i think about it often (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781995) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:38 PM Author: exciting khaki electric furnace theater Hahahahahahhahahaha at Nabokov criticizing Brecht, Eliot, Pound, James, and D.H. Lawrence. Just, lol.
And I'm sure he doesn't "hate" Plato. That would make no sense. Who hates Plato? I can't even imagine that having content. Who evaluates Plato aesthetically? Who is in a position to? Not Nabokov, certainly. |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:43 PM Author: bisexual gas station famous landscape painting At least Nabokov had the balls to make an unmistakable stance on writers he didn't care for, and I see nothing wrong with disparaging those writers, especially Brecht and Pound.
Plenty of people find Plato distasteful. |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:59 PM Author: exciting khaki electric furnace theater They disagree with this or that thing. I've never heard of someone actually trained in philosophy finding Plato "distasteful." I think that'd only be possible if you read Plato as though he wrote today, or, altenativelt, try to jam him into a Procrustean bed of your preferred ideology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782365) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:07 PM Author: bisexual gas station famous landscape painting "someone actually trained in philosophy finding Plato "distasteful."
Who cares. Was Nietzsche trained in philosophy? |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:44 PM Author: aphrodisiac pervert This is kind of credited. Nietzsche on Plato: "I am a complete skeptic about Plato, and I have never been able to join in the admiration for the artist Plato which is customary among scholars." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783053) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:47 PM Author: bisexual gas station famous landscape painting I hate the way these idiots think that their meager UG phil major entitles them to make irresponsible declarations on who has the right to philosophize. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783113) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:16 AM Author: exciting khaki electric furnace theater Of course he was. What a ridiculous question.
At any rate, Nietzsche took Plato extremely seriously, and dedicated a good part of his scholarship to subverting Platonic dialogues. Whatever we might say of this kind of patricide, I don't think it's the facile "hatred" of one who just thinks, "Dur, what a dumbass. He was wrong about, like, a lot of stuff." To know Plato in any capacity is to respect him. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:21 AM Author: bisexual gas station famous landscape painting Strawman. The word I used was distasteful. And Nietzsche definitely found Plato distasteful.
Also? You're confusing philology with philosophy. Here is the fuller quote by the other guy. WHy not read what Nietzsche said about Plato?
For heaven's sake, do not throw Plato at me. I am a complete skeptic about Plato, and I have never been able to join in the admiration for the artist Plato which is customary among scholars. In the end, the subtlest judges of taste among the ancients themselves are here on my side. Plato, it seems to me, throws all stylistic forms together and is thus a first-rate decadent in style: his responsibility is thus comparable to that of the Cynics, who invented the satura Menippea. [1] To be attracted by the Platonic dialogue, this horribly self-satisfied and childish kind of dialectic, one must never have read good French writers—Fontenelle, for example. [2] Plato is boring. [3] |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:55 AM Author: exciting khaki electric furnace theater (1) I admit Nietzsche found Plato "distasteful." I am only committed to the proposition that he did not hate Plato in the sense I gave.
(2) I feel like we're going to have to disagree on the way 19th century philology was done and the extent to which it incorporated philosophical training. Moreover, whatever one thinks of, you know, Nietzsche-level genius, my comment re: training and knowledge of Plato were intended to apply to the wider congress of thinking people. Language tends to admit of exceptions in this way. |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:23 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich i'm trying to research why he hated plato. but yeah anyway i hate plato. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782686) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:18 AM Author: exciting khaki electric furnace theater Yes but no one cares what you think about Plato, and while we might give Nabokov's opinion more than a careless dismissal on account of his intellect or erudition, no one could marshal a plausible reason for why we should do the same for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784632) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:43 AM Author: bronze boyish sandwich wow you really have a stick up your arse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784975) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:56 AM Author: bronze boyish sandwich you're such a dork. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785162) |
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Date: May 31st, 2010 8:49 AM Author: pungent school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#15124835) |
Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: Abnormal chapel lol ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781766) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:12 PM Author: mauve address LOL, he hated Gogol so much he wrote a flattering book-length study of his Major Works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781772) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:18 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich dead souls is a funny book; i probably laughed like 50 times while reading it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781830) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:20 PM Author: adventurous saffron international law enforcement agency fat ankles he likes G's russian stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14781857) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:57 AM Author: floppy crotch "he hated Gogol so much"
Link? |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:34 PM Author: Brindle Stage Mental Disorder Nabokov at once pronounced judgment: "Tender is the Night, magnificent; The Great Gatsby, terrible." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782029) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:39 PM Author: soul-stirring hot wrinkle Ziggy Freud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782095) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:50 PM Author: shimmering casino quadroon grownup chicks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782259) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 9:53 PM Author: pungent school cafeteria humbert humbert, for not recognizing hummingbird hawk moth. not flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782290) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:15 PM Author: provocative awkward boiling water joyce? lol. that's like hating YLS; joyce is generally adored/revered by literary critics and academics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782595) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:21 PM Author: bronze boyish sandwich he hated a portrait of the artist as a young man which is objectively shitty. nabokov also mocked the book in his stories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14782660) |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 10:47 PM Author: provocative awkward boiling water no offense, but you have much explaining to do. http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100bestnovels.html #3 on the board's list, #57 on the reader's list lollll let's defer to the critics on this one man |
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Date: April 21st, 2010 11:13 PM Author: Nudist talking stain In 'Speak, Memory' he claimed to hate music as well. I doubt he had genuine contempt for any more than a few particular authors or works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14783590) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:18 AM Author: ungodly concupiscible doctorate theatre I'd take Women in Love over anything Nabokov wrote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784633) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:45 AM Author: Poppy vivacious field rigor he seems to hate eveyone who's s better writer than he is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14784990) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:54 AM Author: bronze boyish sandwich the list is accurate though. there was a divide between the existentialists and, well, nabokov. sartre & camus were inspired by dostoyevsky while nabokov was inspired by the french modernists - proust and bergson (and of course camus rejected bergson's conception of time). faulkner and hemmingway were part of the divide, grouped with existentialists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785135) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 12:55 AM Author: Poppy vivacious field rigor Nabokov is a decent writer and thats about it. for him to not only compare himself to but to insult faulkner and joyce is hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785145) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:04 AM Author: Pea-brained church the thing about people dissing Dostoevsky because he was a "novelist peddling watered-down philosophy" is bullshit. he was a great philosopher. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785259) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:05 AM Author: Poppy vivacious field rigor he's a shitty writer though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785269) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:08 AM Author: bronze boyish sandwich so you prefer nabokov over him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785290) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:09 AM Author: Poppy vivacious field rigor Yes, absolutely, and I don't particularly like Nabokov.
I do not like Russian literature at all and I think Fyodor is a representation of everything about it that I detest. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 4:20 AM Author: deep library psychic What ticks you off about Big D? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14786904) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:58 AM Author: floppy crotch I definitely prefer nabokov, bulgakov, pushkin, tolstoy and a ton of other authors over him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14786954) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 1:13 AM Author: Pea-brained church it is what it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14785343) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:57 AM Author: floppy crotch "he was a great philosopher."
No he wasn't. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 4:30 AM Author: Buff National People who can't tell the difference between butterflies and moths.
Kitsh. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2010 5:59 AM Author: floppy crotch I disagree on Yevtushenko but I <3 him for saying this about Dostoevsky. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1289879&forum_id=2#14786955) |