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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:40 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs The "Why Yale" thread has provided a lot of interesting information re: the distinction between H and Y.
What about S and Y?
This seems like a harder decision to make, because both schools have similar sizes, and similarly high percentages of students who don't practice law upon graduation (i.e. who do clerkships, academia, etc.)
General commentary would be appreciated, as well as anything especially relevant to my particular situation (will be 27 when I start; want to practice IP/patent law in CA/AZ/NV/TX/FL, so regional placement is an issue; went to S undergrad). |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:41 PM Author: lascivious apoplectic church building yarmulke For the simple fact that the stupid ugly cunt from LSD got into S with a 168. Someone should rape her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037249) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:51 PM Author: Beta thriller resort preventive strike don't worry, she'll probably choose Y (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037297) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:42 PM Author: Bateful Chapel Wow--I just got the most powerful sense of deja vu. I could swear a thread with almost the exact same two first sentences has been started before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037254) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:47 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs If you could link me, that would be fantastic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037278) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:57 PM Author: Bateful Chapel Sorry--I have no idea how to search for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037328) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:01 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs If the thread had "Y" and "S" in the title, then it's really, really old; that thread filter (as well as "Yale" and "Stanford") produced nothing.
FYI, I've only been posting on xoxo for a month, so it's quite possible that I haven't seen a fairly recent thread on the subject. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:02 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm Look for "Why Stanford". I think that's the one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037362) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:42 PM Author: embarrassed to the bone partner Lessig is awesome. I'm glad Y didn't accept me b/c it seems a little lacking of the whole law school experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037255) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:53 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm SLS makes sense for you in every possible way. I'm pretty anti-Stanford in general, but it sounds like it's a perfect match for you (especially if you want to do IP - I think HLS is better for IP in general, but the logistics for you make SLS a much better choice).
I'm sure you're looking for reasons not to make the easy decision, but in the end I doubt you will find any. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:54 PM Author: Electric Thirsty Prole why are you generally anti-SLS?
and are you in LS now? |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:58 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm I'm anti-Stanford (the entire school) for a number of reasons too numerous to state, although I guess my scorn is more focused on the ridiculousness of Stanford as an undergraduate, rather than a graduate, institution. In a nutshell I think Stanford is supremely overrated because it's the only really good school on the West Coast.
I'm applying now (got into HYS, yada yada). |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:00 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs Having gone to S undergrad, I agree that it's overrated.
However, given a chance to choose all over again, I'd pick S again in a heartbeat. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:01 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm On top of that, I absolutely loathe Palo Alto as a city. It sucks.
But I can see how one would love Stanford for the ideal paradise that it is sometimes, and represents generally. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:04 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs I went to S for three and a half years, and never went into Palo Alto once. Most of my social life was centered in San Jose, and occasionally SF and Oakland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037375) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:08 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm Berkeley and Oakland rock. If SLS was in the East Bay, I'd be much more likely to go there.
I'm not such a huge fan of SJ, but then no one would go down there with me, so I'm not very familiar with it.
The mere fact that Stanford is IN PA makes me ill. The whole town just screams "YUPPIE SCUM." |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:13 PM Author: Brilliant Vengeful Jap actually, stanford abuts PA ... "Stanford, CA" is its own small township (as you may have noticed when sending in your dean's cert., etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037433) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:17 PM Author: Electric Thirsty Prole hehe... abuts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037459) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 10:07 PM Author: Brilliant Vengeful Jap i actually agree with HBI about Palo Alto (even San Francisco is too clean for me ... I liked the grit of living in New Haven) but the Bay Area is definitely a better place to live than southern connecticut, and SF is my favorite city, so my distaste for Palo Alto is not all that helpful as i make the Y v. S decision. More than anything, it just prevents me from being sure I'll choose Stanford. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2038516) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 10:11 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs By grit, I'm assuming you mean the blue-collar-ness of it all, right?
If you mean actual grit, then you could find a great job someday in Gary, IN, or York, PA. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:15 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs I love Oakland.
I hate Berkeley. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:17 PM Author: Electric Thirsty Prole you realize you're going to law school right? i'd learn to get along with those yups (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037456) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:07 PM Author: Excitant insanely creepy rigor What'd you like about it so much? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037397) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:14 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs (1) The quarter system. This seems trivial, but I'd much rather have 10-week classes than 15, because (a) you can take 1.5 times as many different courses, (b) it's easier to schedule all your required courses [I had athletic conflicts, plus 2 majors], and (c) the classes are more focused, and there's a more reasonable amount of material per final exam. There are very few schools on the quarter system, so this actually narrows the list a lot.
(2) Suburbia; car culture; freeways.
(3) No fucking snow.
(4) A+'s that are actually attainable.
(5) Accessibility of professors. I missed almost every Thurs and Fri in winter and spring for athletics, and the professors were surprisingly helpful and non-grudging about all those office hours and make-up exams.
(6) The chemistry dept. grades lecture and lab separately, rather than rolling them into one course grade.
(7) Regional diversity - when I visited Ivy schools, most students were from the I-95 corridor, but we had people from everywhere, including red-state fools like me.
(8) I got to go there almost for free.
(9) I had a "good vibe" while I was there. I can't explain this - especially because I didn't really blend into the UG student body at all - but it was there. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:21 PM Author: Excitant insanely creepy rigor (8) is sweet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037477) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:56 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs Yeah.
I'm not sure how much you've read my other posts, but I also have really high-paying evening work around here that I can keep if I go to SLS. (Blah blah don't work during 1L year blah blah.)
I don't even think there'd be an issue in the first place, except for that I'm a rankings whore.
The only way it DOESN'T make sense is that SLS is really, really small, and I generally like big. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 7:59 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm Yeah, I was referring to your other posts in my analysis.
The ABA rule is 20 hrs/wk max during the term your 1L year. If you break it, apparently it has some impact on your character and fitness evaluation for the bar.
I'll be working part-time and making some good money if I go to H or S, so I'm in the same boat you are. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:03 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs It affects the character and fitness evaluation? Are you fucking serious? That seems farcical for two reasons: (1) work isn't a sign of shady ethical character, and (2) law firms would wet themselves over someone who could do well at HYS while also working almost full-time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037369) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:05 PM Author: demanding affirmative action coldplay fan I don't know anything about this particular rule, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that character and fitness has another illogical, stupid, self-defeating policy to go along with all the rest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037377) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:06 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm I've had to look into this to secure my job for next year, and it is a very stupid rule, but it still counts.
Apparently, 1L year is supposed to be hard or something.
Note also that this only applies to "full-time" law students. Night students can do whatever the fuck they want. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:07 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs What kind of job are you getting next year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037399) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:07 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs Perhaps being able to get away with the part-time employment, and circumventing the rules, is good preparation for the character and ethics required to pad billables in a firm, then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037393) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:09 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm I think we have a winner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037409) |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:07 PM Author: Smoky Erotic Business Firm So it sounds like if you're OK hiding the fact that you worked over 20 hours a week, you can do whatever you want.
I agree that it's a ridiculous rule. |
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Date: January 31st, 2005 8:17 PM Author: jade trailer park hairy legs Having taught school for 5 years, I'm quite used to operating under ridiculous rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=130709&forum_id=2#2037455) |