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3.2 Engineering GPA from top Eng UG
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Date: February 9th, 2005 12:27 PM Author: Razzle parlor dragon Would law schools give a "gpa boost" for an electrical engineering major from a top 5 engineering school? The average grade in a typical EE class here is a C+. I wonder if they even care.
3.2 EE and 169 lsat, wondering the likelihood of acceptance from a top20 law school.
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Date: February 9th, 2005 12:27 PM Author: hyperactive odious double fault They don't care. No boost. Though I think the LSAT will place you in the Top 20. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095045) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 12:33 PM Author: emerald abnormal house They don't give a shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095062) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 12:38 PM Author: razzle-dazzle stage So the most accurate answer is you may get a break as compared to another applicant w/ a 3.2, but it's not going to go very far. I don't think it's true that there is ZERO benefit, it's just way, way less than what you'd think was reasonable (like recentering the GPA on a B or B+, for starters).
I agree though that if you put together a good application you should be able to pull off a top 20 or top 25 school. I know someone with similar numbers and background who got into Illinois and was waitlisted at Northwestern, took the year off to work, and got into northwestern the second time around. He also had a pretty damn good explanation for why his GPA was depressed (not that 'our classes are harder and the curve is centered at 2.33' isn't a good explanation, but still)...
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:05 PM Author: Razzle parlor dragon =[ damn, that's what i feared. engineering is such a bad way to get into a top law school it seems, and so is going to a good undergraduate school.
i know that the #20 schools, gw & wustl shouldn't be a problem for my stats. what about #18 usc or higher though? i did include a weak ass gpa addendum. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:12 PM Author: razzle-dazzle stage I agree GULC PT might be a good call. I cant provide specific info on schools between GULC and USC... i know next to nothing about these schools.
engineering can be a good way to get into top law schools; i think it can help you to get into the schools that are slightly above your target range, but you need the 3.7/3.8/3.9 for the 'top' guys.
For most people who can do well on the LSAT, breezing through sociology or something like that is probably a smarter path. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:08 PM Author: misanthropic filthpig GULC pt
I think you will get into USC btw. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:11 PM Author: Lascivious Fishy Hairy Legs Location I had a 169 and a 3.20 gpa in math from a top 30 LAC. I now go to a top 14 law school. One thing to keep in mind is that the median gpa is the number you always hear about - not the mean. If the median UG gpa is a 3.6, then you hurt it just as much with a 2.4 as with a 3.4.
So, no you're not screwed. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:16 PM Author: razzle-dazzle stage this is true... def'n cast a wide net and see what happens (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095252) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:16 PM Author: Razzle parlor dragon "If the median UG gpa is a 3.6, then you hurt it just as much with a 2.4 as with a 3.4."
wow, i didn't know that. nvr thought about it that way.
and thx for the responses, btw |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:19 PM Author: Lascivious Fishy Hairy Legs Location Yeah, I'm not sure if I was a fluke, but I had the median lsat and a gpa that was way lower. I attributed it to math being an unpopular major in law school. Maybe you will have the same experience with EE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095270) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:23 PM Author: Henna Quadroon Do schools really apply such reasoning?
If so, I'd be in great shape -- but I don't think I am.
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:37 PM Author: Lascivious Fishy Hairy Legs Location I think they may in a case such as this. You really can't compare a gpa in an engineering program to, say someone who majored in history or econ at an ivy with grade inflation. My point is that a gpa way below the median won't necessarily knock you out of the running if you have a high LSAT and a reason for the gpa, like the OP does.
edit: in other words, they can admit people like him without significantly hurting their usnwr ranking, which is what they care about. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:26 PM Author: Razzle parlor dragon do u think it might all just depend on whether the application reviewer is familiar with the applicant's UG school/Major and it's relative dificulty?
Or maybe it's more about keeping their gpa averages high for ranking reasons?
Wonder how much they really care about how qualified you are beyond just school stats... |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:42 PM Author: Exciting bright abode volcanic crater I think engineering helps. I got into a CCN with a 3.22 with a CS degree, as my grades outside of CS were quite a bit higher.
An LSAT above their 75th% might convince them to let you by as well. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:50 PM Author: hairraiser nubile forum boltzmann My opinion is that it's worth a little more (but not a lot more) than most people here would say. At least a tenth of a GPA point, maybe even closer to two tenths.
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:55 PM Author: shivering den dingle berry As much as I would like to believe this (as one of my majors is in Engineering), I do not think that it gives you any boost. In fact, some schools (HYS) seem to biased againstg engineers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095457) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:56 PM Author: Exciting bright abode volcanic crater well... considering engineers dominate the LSAT, it all evens out :)
No UG has a higher LSAT median than MIT... |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:59 PM Author: greedy address toaster I'm not sure if that really 'evens it out'. At my UG, the the college of engineering had far higher avg SAT scores than any other college. I'm guessing this is true at many institutions. It is not surprising, then, that many engineers do well on the LSAT.
In the end, we engineers really should have been criminal justice majors. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 2:03 PM Author: Lascivious Fishy Hairy Legs Location "No UG has a higher LSAT median than MIT"
I don't think this is true, I think it's only 163. Someone on here probably knows for sure. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 2:06 PM Author: Self-absorbed Mildly Autistic Goal In Life Mad-dog Skullcap This was in a thread a while ago. Yale and Harvard have higher medians - MIT is a 163.5 or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095519) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 10:51 PM Author: aromatic internal respiration Caltech certainly might, at least judging by the law schools people in recent years have gone to (in my class and the year before combined it was Stanford, Stanford, Georgetown, UVa with a full ride, and UCLA with a full ride--all of them with depressed engineering-style GPAs too, so I'm assuming good LSATs.)
Anyway, that's maybe 3 people a year though, so I doubt it's statistically valid. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:57 PM Author: Lascivious Fishy Hairy Legs Location Even if it only gives the OP +0.2, then he's got a 3.4/169 which is definitely in the running for a top 14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095473) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 1:59 PM Author: Exciting bright abode volcanic crater Perhaps cracking 170 would make a difference. 169 seems rather plain at a T14, especially with a sub 25% GPA.
more style points than substance, but i'd think it matters. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 2:05 PM Author: Lascivious Fishy Hairy Legs Location Yeah a point or two on the lsat would be huge. Still, if he tries NU, GULC, Cornell and Duke, I think he has a fair shot at getting one of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095511) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 2:07 PM Author: Wonderful striped hyena Michigan too, I would guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095522) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 2:06 PM Author: shivering den dingle berry If it gives a +.2 then I would have a 3.8 /(167 and 179). And that would be awesome. However, its more likely that I simply have a 3.6 /(167 and 179) which is slightly better than a non engineering 3.6 but still less than a 3.7. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095516) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 2:05 PM Author: Self-absorbed Mildly Autistic Goal In Life Mad-dog Skullcap Subject: HLS will boost you if you're from MIT. But that 3.2 GPA isn't very good, even if it is from MIT or a similar school (CalTech, CMU, etc). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2095512) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 3:07 PM Author: Razzle parlor dragon yea, i'd def pay a lot of money to increase my lsat just one point.
But anyways, the reason i brought this up was because I went to a law school fair at my school. I talked to reps from UCLA, UIUC, ND, and a few others. All the recruiters told me to "not worry about that gpa" and that my eng gpa will get a huge boost. One even said .5! Wow that was a false sense of hope haha...
and thx for the support guys, I did apply to gulc, cornell, ucla, usc, nu just in case I get lucky, but very late (Jan 10th-ish). |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 3:25 PM Author: Demanding Whorehouse Athletic Conference with a 3.4 engineering, 169 I've gotten into several t14s this cycle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2096103) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 9:42 PM Author: Razzle parlor dragon bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2098979) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 10:43 PM Author: Laughsome kitchen digit ratio I don't think engineering majors get special consideration, at least from my experience. I graduated from an ug with a top 10 engineering program with a 3.9+ gpa (CS major). My lsat was only 167. So far I've been accepted to USC and rejected from Penn. Most of my apps were complete in mid december. So, it's not like the top 14 schools are drooling over me because of my GPA. It seems that the lsat is given considerably more weight. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2099356) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 11:05 PM Author: vivacious narrow-minded field Subject: My 177/3.5 Has gotten me in at 3 of the USN top 5 so far (HCN), and in such a timely manner as to suggest I was considered strong, despite being ~.2-.3 below 25%ile for these schools. Engineering helps at those 3 for sure; Yale didn't like me but they're special so it may not have been my engineering GPA. EDIT: GPA from one of the top engineering schools too, hence relevancy. |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 11:22 PM Author: Razzle parlor dragon awesome lsat score (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2099599) |
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Date: February 9th, 2005 11:26 PM Author: hyperactive odious double fault Subject: That's not a bump No one has been rejected at H (on LSN) with a 177 as of yet. I doubt they're all engineers.
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/search_schools.php?action=search |
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Date: February 10th, 2005 12:19 AM Author: vivacious narrow-minded field Subject: Disagree... Last year a comparable (177, ~3.5) english major was rejected. I am the lowest GPA on LSN with a 177 to have been accepted. I guess we'll wait to see who gets rejected this year, but my GPA even with my LSAT makes me at best borderline on the graph of previous years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=134115&forum_id=2#2100172) |