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OFFICIAL Michigan OCI callback thread [3L edition]

everyone loved http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
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Razzle-dazzle Dog Poop Point
  08/24/10
LOL @ 3L OCI.
Up-to-no-good histrionic whorehouse nibblets
  08/24/10
indeed!
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
u mad?
insecure motley incel
  08/24/10
not particularly. u mad?
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
1 interview. no CB. assuming a ding has been sent to my old ...
Opaque home roommate
  09/01/10
...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
I didn't know people were actually doing 3L OCI. Most peopl...
Self-centered azn national
  08/24/10
right. i know a handful of people doing their one interview,...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
lol striver.
Irradiated french chef center
  08/24/10
u mad
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
OCI was awesome.
overrated big reading party kitty
  08/24/10
EXPLAIN
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
I had fun. We got super wasted. Does MI still do it at that ...
overrated big reading party kitty
  08/24/10
are you an alum or an interviewer? or flame? yeah, the HI...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
that would be awesome if I was an interviewer (LOL) and I'm ...
overrated big reading party kitty
  08/25/10
omg, MICHIGAN!
hot chestnut half-breed
  08/24/10
I don't know about other OCIs, but the firms at Michigan's E...
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  08/24/10
i swung by just to see how OCI was progressing, and i accide...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
toilet paper
misunderstood 180 university
  08/24/10
ty
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/24/10
i'm not going to be there. but i have a 2 cb's at V10's bas...
house-broken parlor
  08/24/10
Stats? Did you get a 2L SA?
Self-centered azn national
  08/24/10
top 5-10%. had a 2L sa with an offer, but am looking for a n...
house-broken parlor
  08/24/10
U R STEALLING JERBS
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  08/24/10
seriously, who the fuck is this prick?
Up-to-no-good histrionic whorehouse nibblets
  08/24/10
flame
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/25/10
Not flame. Are we still FRIENDS?
house-broken parlor
  08/25/10
were we previously FRIENDS
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/25/10
We were previously FRIENDS of the highest order.
house-broken parlor
  08/25/10
EXPLAIN
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/25/10
As someone else who is not going to be there but has mailed ...
racy violent fortuitous meteor
  08/25/10
I mailed everything out in early August. They wanted me to i...
house-broken parlor
  08/25/10
I have an offer, but I signed up so I could get a chance at ...
Talented Free-loading Stage
  08/24/10
wtf what free iPad
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/25/10
The one where Latham sent an e-mail saying, "Pick a cha...
twisted parlour
  08/25/10
uh...have you read the lottery?
Dark stimulating idiot
  08/26/10
flame
Comical useless school cafeteria jew
  08/25/10
...
twisted parlour
  08/26/10
...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/26/10
callback from.... wait, nm.
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/26/10
Are you doing the 3L scramble?
Gold Faggotry
  08/26/10
no.
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/27/10
umad
Ivory base
  08/27/10
no.
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/27/10
CALLBACK ANYOEN
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/27/10
I got called into the debt collection agency today :(
Self-centered azn national
  08/27/10
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rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/28/10
How many 3L's were interviewed for the firms? Were there ful...
twisted parlour
  08/28/10
Ha, I don't think any firm interviewed more than 10 3L's. T...
Self-centered azn national
  08/28/10
i heard no firm interviewed more than 4-5 3Ls.
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/28/10
I wandered around on a few days and saw at least one schedul...
twisted parlour
  08/28/10
You're right. I meant firm jobs.
Self-centered azn national
  08/28/10
a friend of mine got a callback at pw and s&c. he's a p...
Startling snowy forum
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twisted parlour
  08/29/10
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rambunctious translucent site messiness
  09/01/10
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rambunctious translucent site messiness
  08/31/10
thought u were goin to kirkalnd bro
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  09/01/10
not ite
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...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  09/07/10
callback at WLRK
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  09/08/10
False.
twisted parlour
  09/08/10
indeed, this is not true.
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  09/08/10
So, I take it UM's 3L OCI was an utter failure as well? No C...
twisted parlour
  09/08/10
there were very few interviewers. the elite biglaw (cravath,...
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  09/08/10
WHICH govt agencies?
Razzle-dazzle Dog Poop Point
  09/08/10
fed, ftc, dept of state, irs
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  09/08/10
do you know if anyone has heard from any of them yet?
Razzle-dazzle Dog Poop Point
  09/08/10
That 3L is one lucky soul. How did he score it? Tips?
twisted parlour
  09/08/10
Initials? UM 2L here, and did mainly MI interviews. Hopefull...
Soul-stirring lay
  09/09/10
I think it's a given that anyone doing Michigan interviews i...
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  09/09/10
cr. 2L acts like he's something... hahahhaahah
Swashbuckling area antidepressant drug
  09/09/10
lol, u mad?
rambunctious translucent site messiness
  09/13/10


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Date: August 24th, 2010 12:05 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

everyone loved http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1065991&mc=716&forum_id=2 so much last year, i'll do a shorter version this year.

please let me know via post or other channels of any 3L OCI callbacks here at michigan - you can email merriweather@hushmail.com if you don't want to post.

other humorous OCI anecdotes and discussion are welcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15867417)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 12:05 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Dog Poop Point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15867423)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 12:07 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good histrionic whorehouse nibblets

LOL @ 3L OCI.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15867431)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 12:19 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

indeed!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15867525)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:26 PM
Author: insecure motley incel

u mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869063)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:43 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

not particularly. u mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869196)



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Date: September 1st, 2010 4:51 PM
Author: Opaque home roommate

1 interview. no CB. assuming a ding has been sent to my old address.

The interviewer was unnecessarily unkind. I was the last on the schedule and he made me wait at the door for several minutes--the previous student told me he will be out to get me soon. And when I knocked and got in he kept checking his blackberry and said he had to "be on top of things."

He apparently was tired and not interested in me. And did not make any effort to ask Qs. Obviously happier when I initiated something to talk about.

FAIL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15940513)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 3:53 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15868846)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:43 PM
Author: Self-centered azn national

I didn't know people were actually doing 3L OCI. Most people got 0-1 interviews so just gave up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869206)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:45 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

right. i know a handful of people doing their one interview, and a couple who pieced together 2-3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869225)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:44 PM
Author: Irradiated french chef center

lol striver.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869211)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:45 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

u mad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869228)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:44 PM
Author: overrated big reading party kitty

OCI was awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869216)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:46 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

EXPLAIN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869232)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:53 PM
Author: overrated big reading party kitty

I had fun. We got super wasted. Does MI still do it at that Holiday Inn? There was this girl with some of the biggest cans I've ever seen in real life as the hostess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869296)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 5:02 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

are you an alum or an interviewer? or flame?

yeah, the HI for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869371)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 1:07 AM
Author: overrated big reading party kitty

that would be awesome if I was an interviewer (LOL) and I'm not flame . . .

EDIT: I remember being pissed about taking a taxi from my house to OCI.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15873946)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:47 PM
Author: hot chestnut half-breed

omg, MICHIGAN!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869241)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 4:55 PM
Author: Passionate puce mood casino

I don't know about other OCIs, but the firms at Michigan's EIW are handing out offers before the interviews. Skadden has a machine shaped like a Pez dispenser that is filled with offers. Other firms are a little harder to get offers from -- Paul Weiss and others have circus games set up where interviewers must win their offers.

Michigan is fucking awesome, losers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869316)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 5:03 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

i swung by just to see how OCI was progressing, and i accidentally picked up a cadwalader offer. what the hell do i do with this thing? it was on the floor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869376)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 5:06 PM
Author: misunderstood 180 university

toilet paper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869413)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 5:10 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15869449)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 8:10 PM
Author: house-broken parlor

i'm not going to be there. but i have a 2 cb's at V10's based off mailing my resume/transcript.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15870872)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 8:15 PM
Author: Self-centered azn national

Stats? Did you get a 2L SA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15870912)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 8:41 PM
Author: house-broken parlor

top 5-10%. had a 2L sa with an offer, but am looking for a new location for personal reasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15871136)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 9:49 PM
Author: Swashbuckling area antidepressant drug

U R STEALLING JERBS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15871843)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 9:50 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good histrionic whorehouse nibblets

seriously, who the fuck is this prick?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15871852)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 4:27 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15878190)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 5:28 PM
Author: house-broken parlor

Not flame. Are we still FRIENDS?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15878687)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 6:26 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

were we previously FRIENDS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15879210)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 6:39 PM
Author: house-broken parlor

We were previously FRIENDS of the highest order.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15879352)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 6:56 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

EXPLAIN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15879532)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 12:06 AM
Author: racy violent fortuitous meteor

As someone else who is not going to be there but has mailed my resume, this is good to hear.

When, btw, did you send everything out? And how long til you heard?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15873363)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 5:26 PM
Author: house-broken parlor

I mailed everything out in early August. They wanted me to interview at oci. I told them I wouldn't be there but said I was willing to interview in nyc. They then gave me a callback. Callbacks are next week, we'll see how they go. I'm still not too optimistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15878673)



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Date: August 24th, 2010 9:48 PM
Author: Talented Free-loading Stage

I have an offer, but I signed up so I could get a chance at the free Ipad from Latham.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15871832)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 4:35 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

wtf what free iPad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15878247)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 5:00 PM
Author: twisted parlour

The one where Latham sent an e-mail saying, "Pick a charity, and we'll reward your good deed with a chance to win an iPad." Which only goes to show that Latham realizes how damn selfish all lawyers are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15878442)



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Date: August 26th, 2010 10:41 AM
Author: Dark stimulating idiot

uh...have you read the lottery?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15884955)



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Date: August 25th, 2010 4:28 PM
Author: Comical useless school cafeteria jew

flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15878195)



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Date: August 26th, 2010 10:33 AM
Author: twisted parlour

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15884898)



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Date: August 26th, 2010 1:59 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15886198)



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Date: August 26th, 2010 2:52 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

callback from....

wait, nm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15886608)



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Date: August 26th, 2010 7:05 PM
Author: Gold Faggotry

Are you doing the 3L scramble?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15888455)



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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:34 AM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15891654)



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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:34 AM
Author: Ivory base

umad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15891659)



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Date: August 27th, 2010 12:35 AM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15891664)



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Date: August 27th, 2010 4:07 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

CALLBACK ANYOEN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15896721)



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Date: August 27th, 2010 4:59 PM
Author: Self-centered azn national

I got called into the debt collection agency today :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15897348)



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Date: August 28th, 2010 1:42 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15904127)



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Date: August 28th, 2010 2:25 PM
Author: twisted parlour

How many 3L's were interviewed for the firms? Were there full schedules for all of them (i.e. 20 people) or did some only have half day schedules (i.e. 10 people)?

All quiet on the callback front?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15904405)



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Date: August 28th, 2010 4:02 PM
Author: Self-centered azn national

Ha, I don't think any firm interviewed more than 10 3L's. There will be no callbacks for 3L's from Michigan; trust me. There's hardly any 2L callbacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15905159)



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Date: August 28th, 2010 4:26 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

i heard no firm interviewed more than 4-5 3Ls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15905369)



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Date: August 28th, 2010 5:41 PM
Author: twisted parlour

I wandered around on a few days and saw at least one schedule with 10 3L's listed...

In regard to no 3L CB's, that's retarded. I bet there will be a few. Most likely for the gov't jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15905884)



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Date: August 28th, 2010 5:58 PM
Author: Self-centered azn national

You're right. I meant firm jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15906022)



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Date: August 28th, 2010 6:11 PM
Author: Startling snowy forum

a friend of mine got a callback at pw and s&c. he's a prestigious dood tho and already has an offer at a prestigious west coast firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15906111)



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Date: August 29th, 2010 4:38 PM
Author: twisted parlour

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15913018)



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Date: September 1st, 2010 10:48 AM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15938007)



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Date: August 31st, 2010 1:21 AM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15928029)



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Date: September 1st, 2010 4:53 PM
Author: cheese-eating gay juggernaut indian lodge

thought u were goin to kirkalnd bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15940529)



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Date: September 2nd, 2010 5:41 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

not ite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15949569)



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Date: September 7th, 2010 12:09 AM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15984404)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:24 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

callback at WLRK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15995880)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:27 PM
Author: twisted parlour

False.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15995903)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:30 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

indeed, this is not true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15995925)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:32 PM
Author: twisted parlour

So, I take it UM's 3L OCI was an utter failure as well? No CB's?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15995940)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:42 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

there were very few interviewers. the elite biglaw (cravath, quinn, etc), some local firms, a shitlaw, a handful of IP firms, and then govt agencies.

most people i know got 0-2 interviews. i think i know someone with a CB from a michigan firm.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15995993)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:44 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Dog Poop Point

WHICH govt agencies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15996002)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:46 PM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

fed, ftc, dept of state, irs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15996015)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 3:47 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Dog Poop Point

do you know if anyone has heard from any of them yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15996023)



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Date: September 8th, 2010 4:01 PM
Author: twisted parlour

That 3L is one lucky soul. How did he score it? Tips?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#15996126)



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Date: September 9th, 2010 10:50 AM
Author: Soul-stirring lay

Initials? UM 2L here, and did mainly MI interviews. Hopefully no pathetic 3L's poached my job prospects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#16002654)



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Date: September 9th, 2010 11:21 AM
Author: hyperactive dashing indirect expression yarmulke

I think it's a given that anyone doing Michigan interviews is pretty pathetic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#16002797)



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Date: September 9th, 2010 11:27 AM
Author: Swashbuckling area antidepressant drug

cr. 2L acts like he's something... hahahhaahah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#16002838)



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Date: September 13th, 2010 10:39 AM
Author: rambunctious translucent site messiness

lol, u mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1403799&forum_id=2#16034484)