Are you paying sticker or getting money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15931858)

1 Yale University 3.77 3.97 170 177 7.3% 7.4 96.1% 99.6% NY 91.2% 77% +14.2%

2 Harvard University 3.75 3.95 170 175 11.8% 10.3 96.4% 98.1% NY 97.1% 77% +20.1%

3 Columbia University 3.56 3.81 169 174 15.9% 9.5 98.9% 98.9% NY 95.6% 77% +18.6%

4 New York University 3.54 3.86 169 173 22.9% 10.4 96.3% 98.5% NY 95.1% 77% +18.1%

4 U. of Chicago 3.49 3.76 169 173 16.2% 10.3 96.4% 99% IL 97.7% 87% +10.7%

6 Northwestern University 3.4 3.8 166 172 17.6% 10.4 96.2% 99.2% IL 95.1% 87% +8.1%

6 Stanford University 3.74 3.95 167 172 9% 8.3 98.3% 98.5% CA 88.7% 65% +23.7%

8 Georgetown University 3.44 3.82 167 171 23.2% 13.2 94.8% 97.8% NY 91% 77% +14%

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15932699)

"The acceptance rates, LSAT scores, undergraduate GPAs, and student-to-faculty ratios reflect those data representative of full-time students in Fall 2007."

here are this year's stats for the class of 2013:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/admissions/jdadmissions/applicants/classprofile/index.htm

this trend will continue due to increasing awareness about the efficacy of test prep and the shitty economy unless LSAC requires schools to report LSAT score averages again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15936408)

I don't think my experience is all that unusual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15931853)

I am also not sure about the small law jobs. I know of lawyers who graduated from flagship state law schools and do residential or even small commercial closings at a good price. There are divorce lawyers, immigration lawyers, or other family law types who are doing equally well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15933134)

27. Indiana: shit, bought their way up the rankings, places in Indianapolis and rarely Chicago

28. Boston College: better than BU, but mostly Catholic strivers anxious to transfer to Harvard, shit placement outside of Boston

28. William & Mary: so fucking awful I can't believe it's still around

28. Davis: not bad for Cali

28. Georgia: extremely underrated and very cheap

28. UNC: forgettable, must compete with Duke

28. Wisconsin: basically only worth it if you practice in WI so you don't have to take the bar, very rare placement in Chicago

34. Fordham: basically Cornell

34. Ohio State: black hole, #1 in Ohio markets and pretty shitty elsewhere, ENJOY JONES DAY

34. Washington: forgettable but go there if you want to practice in the rain

34. Washington & Lee: horrific location, horrific shit, shittastic new curriculum, do not go

38. Arizona State: good

38. Alabama: underrated faculty, extremely cheap, enjoy the SEC

38. Colorado: Denver is an insular market, best way in, but mostly forgettable

42. BYU: underrated, cheap, places surprisingly well because of the Mormon network

42. George Mason: libertarian douches and PT DC political hacks trying to become U Chicago 2.0, considers itself on par with GWU but basically another shitty degree mill in NoVa

42. Arizona: it's no Arizona State

42. Hastings: decent for Cali, but expensive as fuck and avoid

42. Utah: what the hell, go to BYU

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15931873)

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15931881)

that said, none of these schools are worth attending ITE

save your money, park yourself in a job/accounting/opto program, or otherwise avoid law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15931945)

That said, if you don't care about BIGLAW and you get a good financial aid package, it might be worth it to go to one of these schools. People on here overstate how regional these places are--if you get a degree from one of these places but don't want to work in the region, you can still do it. Outside of the world of BIGLAW, most of these places have a pretty good reputation and name recognition.

Even though USNews puts them higher, places like ND, Emory, and Minnesota belong in this tier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15934493)

One key thing holding back a lot of these schools is that the median age of incoming 1L's is 22-23. So many of these kids are right out of college and not quite ready for prime time jobs. I think employers are starting to value previous work experience even more than usual ITE and those types of people are definitely in the minority at schools in this range. There are probably exceptions at schools in proximity to large cities (Fordham, Mason, etc.) but for the most part, the big state schools in this range cater to the right out of ugrad folks, many of whom are looking for a 3 year victory lap post-college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1410771&forum_id=2#15935696)