You claim that your main reason for going to law school is that you enjoy studying the law. Let's assume that you're telling the truth and aren't simply rationalizing your failure.
Have you considered that the cost of law school is wildly disproportionate to any enjoyment you might derive from it? If you just want to study the law, here's what you do: 1) Buy some casebooks and a subscription to Lexis. 2) Pay some law students to let you attend their study group sessions. This is a much cheaper solution if, as you claim, you don't care about the JD.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:16 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
no rhetorical. I need a JD if and when I decide to practice. As long as one passes the bar exam, one becomes an attorney. But I can take the bar exam without the JD.
My friend got screwed out of her house by her son and daughter-in-law. She told me after she had already done it, but even if she had told me before, there was nothing I could do. Had I advised her on what to ask her lawyer to include in the agreement, I would have been practicing law without a license. I had to stand by and watch an elderly woman lose the home she had paid into for years.
I dont need to work but having the JD means I could help in situations like that.
Date: February 25th, 2005 3:47 PM Author: Deranged scarlet depressive station
Worst post ever.
Your random opinions on property/contract law would have been useless.
If you actually had a claim you could file a professional malpractice suit against the attorneys. Odds are you don't know shit and there is no claim at all.
Date: February 25th, 2005 4:19 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
The woman had purchase the house with her son. She was long divorced. She paid into the house for about 15 years.
Then the son got married. He told her that his wife became co-owner of the house upon marriage. They told her if she signed over her portion of the house to them, it would mean tax benefits for them.
In NY that would not be the case because property acquired before marriage remains personal, according to Matrimonial law teacher. but this took place in Jersey.
Ok, she tells me AFTER it's a done deal and the paperwork is signed. The attorney did a straightforward life estate agreement where she signed over her share and was given the right to remain in the house for life.
I'm not saying that the attorney committed malpractice. He did a straightforward life estate. However, isn't a lawyers job to look out and protect to the best possible extent his client's interest.
At the time the agreement was signed, the son had a solid job and no one ever imagined things would change?
When she told me what she did, the first questions out of my mouth were
1. Now what provision did the lawyer make in case, heaven forbid, your son dies and the daughter in law remarries and wants to sell the house.
2. What happens if for some reason, your son decides to move and sell the house? Did your lawyer write up the agreement in such a way that you would share in the proceeds of the sale to compensate for the years you paid the mortage and taxes in the house. (He didn't and she wasn't)
The son lost his job, had to move down south. The life estate clause created a problem and made it difficult to sell the house. It was a mess that could have been avoided with a little more foresight on the the lawyers part.
The house was finally sold, my friend in an assisted living in facility down south after being mistreated by her daughter in law. She did not receive one cent of compensation from the sale of the house.
Is there a legal claim against the attorney probably not, but I knew enough to ask about those circumstances arising.
I know one thing, had I been my friends lawyer, I would have have advocated more aggressively for her to be protected from the circumstances that did arise, just as I had predicted.
So if my concerns were useless, then I guess, I dont belong in law at all. How presumptious of me for thinking I should care about my clienta as much as possible and not just do the minimum to be competent
Date: February 25th, 2005 8:45 PM Author: geriatric bat-shit-crazy stead
Your explaination left quite a bit to be desired (mainly, who exactly was the attorney representing), but I am thinking that there are definitely some conflict of interest problems or possibly some elements of fraud, so it would seem worth discussing with another attorney if this has happened recently.
Date: April 28th, 2005 11:36 AM Author: Rough-skinned orchid hospital messiness
Unless New Jersey is some sort of rogue property state, that made no sense. If she has a life estate the son can't force a sale. He has only a future interest that he may protect from certain actions by the life tenant. They would not be able to sell w/o the life tenant's consent. To hold otherwise would make a life estate worthless, which is why courts don't do so.
Please tell me you haven't taken property yet. If you have, please leave my profession before you further harm our reputation.
Date: April 28th, 2005 11:17 AM Author: Buff mentally impaired personal credit line
"Had I advised her on what to ask her lawyer to include in the agreement, I would have been practicing law without a license. I had to stand by and watch an elderly woman lose the home she had paid into for years."
You are a fucking idiot. Telling her what to tell a lawyer is not 'practicing law without a licence.' And if you didn't help her, and let her loose the house, you are a despicable coward fuckwad.
Date: February 25th, 2005 1:38 PM Author: Pale Ape Persian
More importantly, doesn't she think that the enjoyment of studying is impacted at all by the motivation, preparation, and skills of the students around her?
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:00 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
Sadly I dont qualify for CUNY. I speak and write English fluently. I won several writing competitions in my life. Also, I'm not left wing enough for them. You guys were ridiculing me for wanting to go to Cardozo because according to your it's a third tier toilet, yet you tell me to go to CUNY which is considered the laughing stock of law schools? Puh-leeze. And why is everyone so interested in what and where I choose to spend my money on?
So you're a snob yourself on some level. You said you didn't care if you ever used your diploma, and I was just trying to save you about $60K by suggesting you go to the only state school in New York City instead of a private school.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:11 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
No I'm not a snob, I'm glad that CUNY exists because it gives some people a chance that wouldnt have one anywhere else. But I dont fit their extreme liberal orientation. And again, why do you care what I do with my money??????
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:06 PM Author: Irradiated Fanboi
"Sadly I dont qualify for CUNY. I speak and write English fluently. I won several writing competitions in my life. Also, I'm not left wing enough for them."
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:20 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
not better different. Touro is a good school for those interested in working in the region. Many Suffolk and Nassau county legislators are Touro grads. CUNY students are committed to public service. I once heard it referred to as the "Harvard of Public interest law"
CUNY is a very very left leaning school and frankly I dont think a middle of the road person such as myself would be welcome there. What if I dont want to support the Professors pet cause?
Date: February 25th, 2005 1:45 PM Author: Pale Ape Persian
But that's not the only issue -- I mean, let's say you're really sharp, bombed the LSAT, and end up at Touro. Are the Socratic dialogues you listen to all day going to be interesting? Are kids going to be raising their hands in class asking for repetition of some easy point you already understand? Is your study group going to be intellectually stimulating and challenging, or are you going to be going over the basic issues over and over?
Date: February 25th, 2005 1:53 PM Author: Pale Ape Persian
I suspect that there's a substantial difference between a T2 and a T4, but I don't have any data. At any rate, it's something I would be concerned about if I were going to law school just for the experience. The student body had a hell of an impact on my high school and college educational experience.
Date: February 25th, 2005 1:58 PM Author: White Hairy Legs
dude, you are way overthinking this. Nothing you say will convince this lady that wherever she ends up isn't the best place for her. If she doesn't get into a top school then they are filled with legacy fratboys (?) who sell there souls for a measly 125k (which isnt much after taxes you know). If Cardozo doesn't her she will beat it in ADR. If for some reason she forgot to apply to Brooklyn, Brooklyn doesn't have her specialty (!?!). If she fucks up on the lsat the test isn't about real shit. The first contracts exam that pwns her will be "too theoretical" or some shit. You get the picture.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:05 PM Author: White Hairy Legs
I recognize this type of non-logic because I use it to justify my penis size to my girlfriend. Honey, if it were bigger it would just be in the way, knocking things over. If you could "feel something" we would just end up having sex all the time, and then when would we have time to go to the movies? Sure you say you want nine inches, but how much is that really after taxes anyway?
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:08 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
The school one ends up is indeed the best school for any individual. That's obvious. I didn't "forget" to apply to Brooklyn. I wasn't interested in going there. Just as I was not interested in going to Harvard. "Best" is a subjective, not objective description.
I dont do well on LSAT's. I do well on exams. How do I know because I've practiced them.? Some I get on line and compare my answers to the models. I've asked some of the lawyers in the family to share some of there old exams with me. I do them and give them back to be graded.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:16 PM Author: White Hairy Legs
Why would the school you end up at be the best school for you? Are you saying the application/admissions process is infallible?
Law school exams are graded on a curve. There is no way you know how you are doing on them. I'm not sure I believe that your lawyer friends are grading your exams, but if they are thats just weird.
You have to take into accout that the lawyers in your family, the ones who are sharing "there" exams with you, are not likely to be the sharpest knives themselves.
A phrase comes to mind: The blind leading the fucking blind.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:30 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
How can you judge people you dont even know? One of them is the oldest practicing grad of NYU Law's first graduating class. The other works for a top NYC real estate firm. He's been a partner for almost 15 years. They dont sound like dull knives to me. Plus there the ones who have job leads lined up for me already. That's why I need that darn JD if I decide to work in those areas of law.
Well, I don't personally know your family, but if they are anything like you they can't be that bright. Oh well, I guess "there the ones" who have jobs for you.
(Hint. This is the second post in a row where you have confused "there" with "their" or "they're." The words do sound alike, but there are subtle differences in their meanings that most people on xoxohth picked up on in elementary school.)
Date: February 25th, 2005 3:39 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
As I said, I dont type very well. The person I'm talking about graduated from the first class to come out of NYU after the depression. What I meant to say is that he is currently the oldest living graduate of NYU Law school. He's 96, still works as a lawyer, and has worked for the same NYC litigation firm for the past 70 years or so.
So no, I dont object to taking pointers in litigation from him.
Date: February 25th, 2005 3:52 PM Author: White Hairy Legs
Thats a pretty fucking weird typo. Its not like the depression ended on a given day. I could see saying "first class after WWII" or something. I think more likely you are just making stuff up.
Date: February 25th, 2005 4:07 PM Author: Deranged scarlet depressive station
You're so fucking stupid, just STFU. You have no hope in life, will never get a JD, will never pass the bar and will basically just fail at everything.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:24 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
I can't control how well any one else prepares. I cant control how much time anyone else spends studying. I cant control how many hypo's someone else practices.
I can only control how much of those activities I do. I'm sure my future clients will appreciate my attitude since it's all about being the best I can be for them!
Date: February 25th, 2005 3:57 PM Author: Deranged scarlet depressive station
Explain how you can be the best for your clients given that you use horrible grammar, bombed the LSAT, will attend a TTT and are in general a very unlikable person.
Date: February 25th, 2005 1:58 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
"Have you considered that the cost of law school is wildly disproportionate to any enjoyment you might derive from it?"
Where do you get off judging what the enjoyment that I derive from a particular activity is "wildly disproportionate" to the cost. That's a personal judgement that no one else can make for me.
I dont care about the JD, but I cant practice law without it. True, I dont have to work, but I've had to stand by and see so many people get screwed because they couldn't afford competent legal help. I knew what they needed to do and could have helped many of them, but I didnt have that piece of paper and practicing law without a license is a big no-no.
Who are you or anybody else to tell me just to buy a few casebooks and subscribe to lexis and be satisfied with that.
And what "failure" are you referring to? My failure at getting in to a particular school. Using that yardstick, then 99 percent of law school applicants since very few get accepted everywhere they apply to.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:10 PM Author: Carmine juggernaut
Yes, yes. I know that utility can't be measured. But certainly some judgments can be made at the margins. If someone paid $10,000 for a glass of water in the middle of a clean freshwater lake, then I would feel qualified to substitute my judgment for his.
Date: February 25th, 2005 2:45 PM Author: dashing sexy theatre
I don't think you understand what practicing w/o a license entails. You can certainly tell friends to seek legal help and to ask their lawyer about certain things.
Date: February 25th, 2005 3:11 PM Author: White Hairy Legs
Be careful. I was talking to my mom about the likely outcome of that New London zoning case the other day and a swat team came bursting through my windows. They also made me delete my illegal download of that bare naked ladies song where the go "Chiggedy China the Chinese Chicken", or whatever.
Date: February 25th, 2005 3:32 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
I'm not the world's best typist. So sue me.
I can't take the bar exam without having a JD. If I have a JD, I can practice or not practice, as I see fit. But in order to have that choice, I have to have the piece of paper.
I dont have to work now. It's the payoff for having struggled for so many years. But I could choose to work on a few cases here or there as needed. I could do legal work for people at reduced rates, so that those who might not be able to have legal assistance would have to somewhere to turn. Oh wait, my choosing to spend my money to subsidize legal access for people will most surely annoy and offend the exalted ones on this board.
Date: February 25th, 2005 4:03 PM Author: Deranged scarlet depressive station
As one of the "exalted ones," this is my opinion: poor people will be better off with no legal advice than they will be if they listen the idiocy that comes out of your mouth. My left testicle is smarter than you. HTH
Date: February 25th, 2005 3:43 PM Author: violent bawdyhouse
Some broads go for the wrinkled type....you know, the distinguished dead look that's the rage these days. Or maybe she's related to Haley Joel Osment a la Sixth Sense style.
you sound like a bunch of upper class, inbred idiots. are you proud of yourselves for your stupid lsat scores and fancy schools? that makes you better than other people? sounds like it's had the opposite effect.
Date: February 25th, 2005 4:02 PM Author: White Hairy Legs
Holy shit. Two minutes on google and I find an NYU LAW alum who graduated before the depression, and she's a chick. Not conclusive proof of bullshittery, but it doesn't strengthen the "depression typo" claim
Date: February 25th, 2005 4:04 PM Author: Carmine juggernaut
Uh, I spent 30 seconds on Google and confirmed that the person to whom Rachelb1 referred exists. He is 96 and has worked at the same shitty personal injury firm for more than 70 years.
Date: February 25th, 2005 8:20 PM Author: Big-titted impressive rehab
yup you guys, that's him.
I supposed he could have pulled strings for me, but NYU didnt interest me either. Yeah, I know it's hard to believe, but different people have different goals.
If you think, he looks good in the picture, you should have seen him dancing at my wedding.
Date: February 26th, 2005 10:22 AM Author: Lemon Sound Barrier Office
If only we could discover a way to burn cognitive dissonance resolution, this and the other rachelb1 thread could provide the nation with a clean source of power for decades to come.