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Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:22 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Clear Spot Lettuce How come all the talk on this board is about OCI. Let's talk about clerkships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15948940) |
Date: September 2nd, 2010 4:25 PM Author: heady bipolar hell I applied to a variety of SSCs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15948951) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 7:14 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Clear Spot Lettuce bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15958851) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 7:14 PM Author: arousing theater marketing idea because nothing's going on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15958853) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:16 PM Author: Contagious Plaza Blood Rage my state appellate court already hired for 2011.
inb4 "that's nothing" |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:17 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison outed as not alaska or new york (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960131) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 7:18 PM Author: Burgundy histrionic church building no thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15958866) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:26 PM Author: Stirring chapel I am so fucking sick of OSCAR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959724) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:41 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Clear Spot Lettuce It's horrible, but better than the alternative of no Oscar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959848) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:46 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib Current fed clerk here. I've been sorting through applications and helping judge decide who to interview. Glad to answer any questions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959884) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:54 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Clear Spot Lettuce So your judge isnt on the plan? Do you look at every single app? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15959941) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:01 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib He's not on the plan. Never has been.
We "look" at every single app, but if we see a 2.8 at Cardozo (and we see many of those types), it goes in the trash. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:18 PM Author: Stirring chapel I keep hearing all these horror stories about 1100 apps for 2 spots and the like. I've always wondered how many of those were just totally outside of the realm of being competitive. People who are auto-dings but apply on a prayer and drive up the application numbers.
Care to hazard a (ballpark) guess at what proportion of your applicants are just flat-out unqualified? |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:23 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib At least 70 percent are ridiculously unqualified. It's ridiculous that a bottom 25% Hofstra student would spend a tremendous amount of money and time sending hundreds of paper applications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960189) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:24 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison that's ludicrous. someone should do them a favor and get them on reality check. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960198) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:57 PM Author: cerebral hot cruise ship they're at hofstra for a reason dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997466) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 9:55 PM Author: provocative location milk 1. district or circuit?
2. major city?
3. how are you conducting the grade screening?
4. what are some other things that look good on a resume (that you see with reasonable frequency; i.e. no Rhodes Scholar etc.) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:00 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib District this year, already have COA for next year.
Major city for both district and Circuit (same city.
If a candidate isn't a referral from a prof/partner who knows my judge, the cutoff is pretty simple: either top 10 percent from a T14 or top 5 percent from a local tier 1. There are still a ton of applicants who meet those criteria and we have to narrow it down even more before giving the resumes to the judge.
Law review is the most important. My judge worked for a while before law school, so he really is interested in candidates who have interesting pre-law work experience (not paralegals). |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:02 PM Author: provocative location milk how do you know what top 10% is from a school that doesn't rank? do you just eyeball it and see whether they have 3/4 A range (or H) grades or above? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960011) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:05 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib Most of the schools seem to let their students know if they are in the top 5-10 percent, because they note it on their resumes. Stanford and Harvard are harder to interpret, but you can kind of eyeball it. UVA is the weirdest one, because the transcripts don't have GPAs and none of the resumes include GPAs, even the ones with very good grades. I don't know if the school is instructing the students not to reveal their GPAs, but it makes it very difficult to evaluate (I don't really want to take the time to calculate someone's average). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960032) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:10 PM Author: arousing theater marketing idea yeah i know, i'm at a school that doesn't rank. so how DO you evaluate a transcript from a UVA person then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960070) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:17 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib If it's a transcript with all A's and A-'s, and the applicant is on LR, then it probably makes the cut. I think schools are hurting their students by encouraging them to hide the ball with their GPAs. It is a huge pain in the ass when you're trying to sort through 1,000 applications. I'm probably overscreening those schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960139) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:19 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison the school is instructing the students not to reveal their GPAs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960153) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:20 PM Author: Stirring chapel What on earth is the rationale for this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960160) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:23 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison Dunno. Personally I think it's douchey to put a GPA on your transcript, and potentially misleading if reviewers get lazy and just start going by the numbers. I'd think a person with a 3.6 but a heavy-ass course load is way more impressive, or at least interesting, than a 3.9 with lots of "pottery and the law" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960183) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:25 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison of course, the 3.9 with the heavy-ass course load wins, and there are probably a fair number of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960211) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:22 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib is the school doing this? that's just my guess, because i've gotten a bunch of UVA applications and not a single one has included a GPA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960176) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:23 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960188) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:26 PM Author: arousing theater marketing idea my CCN just does not rank students, so you cannot say you are in the top 10%. the GPA would be meaningless because there are no rank cutoffs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960214) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:29 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison so you're at chicago? CLS gives stone and kent, and NYU gives top 10, top 10%, and top 25% awards at the end of both 1L and 2L, which provides reasonable guidance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960256) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:36 PM Author: flushed school cuckold No I am at a CLS. Do you basically reject everyone who doesn't have at least 1 year of kent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960309) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:20 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison and if the candidate is a referral from a prof/partner/another judge who knows your judge? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960159) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:25 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib grades still matter, but they are far less important. a top 20 percent student with a strong personal recommendation might get an interview. but a median student won't get an interview, even if he has amazing recommenders calling for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960208) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:28 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison interesting. some judges i know of will go almost entirely on the rec, if it's the right rec (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960236) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:28 PM Author: arousing theater marketing idea why do those judges ignore student's mediocrity re: law school performance? it's strange. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960244) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:31 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison presumably because they trust the recommender not to be recommending a student who would do a poor job in chambers/doesn't deserve it, and are willing to accept that the student's transcript is, somehow, not indicative of what they can do for the judge. at least that's my hypothesis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960262) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:37 PM Author: flushed school cuckold but how does that happen? If that student sucked it up and got a bunch of B+s in foundation classes, why would the judge think he'd be a better writer and researcher than the guy who got As but doesn't have the rec? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960326) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:39 PM Author: Stirring chapel I am just confused as to who all these professors are that are recommending shitty students to judges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960342) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:39 PM Author: flushed school cuckold It happens bro. Not shitty students, but students who are only top 20-25%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960347) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:55 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison if the recommender is one of your best buds and she says look bob, i know this kid, he's brilliant, personable, and does fantastic work, he's just not good in the exam situation (or whatever), and you'd really be doing yourself a disservice not to take him . . . i'd think that'd weigh pretty heavily.
of course, for the professor to actually do something like that, it does actually need to be the case that the student is worth going to bat for. it's an unlikely scenario, but it does happen occasionally. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:40 AM Author: Irradiated Karate Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962613) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:12 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison I think it really depends on how the student compares to the typical applicant for that judge. If it's for Koz, or Posner, or Boudin or Edwards or Sentelle or somebody, I find it highly unlikely that a prof is going to make a serious phone call on behalf of a median student. But for D. Md. or E.D. Pa.? Meh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15963978) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:39 AM Author: Irradiated Karate Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962609) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 5:34 PM Author: stubborn temple voyeur Maybe the student didn't know how to take a law school exam during the first semester and bombed all of his classes except legal writing? Maybe the student got perfect grades in every one of his writing courses after that and started smoking every one of his classes once he found out how to take a law school exam?
That's what happened to me. I received a damn good recommendation and my Judge gave me a chance. My Judge recently told me that I am best researcher and writer he's ever had. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:29 PM Author: Demanding talented set this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960249) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:29 PM Author: ebony zippy shitlib i think that most profs will do their own grade screening. we've gotten a few referrals from profs who know my judge, and those applicants have had very strong grades/LR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960254) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2010 10:22 PM Author: Demanding talented set lucked into a vagistrate clerkship w/ a brand new judge; guy doesnt know wtf OSCAR is or "the plan." I plan on keeping him in the dark. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15960177) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:41 AM Author: Irradiated Karate Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962624) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 12:00 AM Author: Awkward kitchen CCN, no journal
Lucked into a clerkship for 2010, applying for Circuit for 2011 --- am I going to get any interviews or will I be OSCARLAWREVIEWFILTERPWN3D? |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 12:02 AM Author: Demanding talented set cr re OSCAR
unless you have ridiculous stats, not sure why anyone bothers
*uploads undergraduate transcript* |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 12:10 AM Author: Stirring chapel I will be you in a year...after I luck into my 2011 clerkship.
*crosses fingers* |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 6:06 AM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison you've got to be kidding me
if you get COA i'll eat my hat |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 8:51 AM Author: Awkward kitchen already had an interview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962392) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:13 PM Author: Wonderful Sinister Garrison "if you get" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15963982) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:36 PM Author: Awkward kitchen yeah, I get that part but all I'm trying to indicate is that it's not incredibly outlandish.
I don't actually understand why LR >>> 1 year of clerking. I'm writing my own work, not cite checking someone else's. If I was in the position of hiring CCN, top 1/4 + LR or CCN, top 1/4 + 1 year of clerking, I'd definitely hire the second one. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:44 PM Author: Curious startled piazza The problem, of course, is that judges could easily fill their spots by choosing the third option--all of the above. Most of the students I know who took DC clerkships also applied to appellate courts for the following year, especially ITE.
My judge would hire someone who wasn't on LR, but resumes from anyone who couldn't be bothered to do some random crap secondary journal are sorted out immediately. If you had something better to do during law school, you'll have something better to do than work in our chambers.
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:45 PM Author: Awkward kitchen I guess. I don't think all judges see it that way but I get what you're saying; I don't doubt that you've got stacks of DCt clerks applying as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15964750) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:18 AM Author: elite regret Grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15962525) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 2:07 PM Author: Awkward kitchen top 1/4 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15963918) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:07 PM Author: Green adulterous locus brethren protip: if the judge is "full" on oscar, you're wasting your time by sending in an app. not even your B+ average from vanderbilt will make the judge reconsider her hiring decision (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15964430) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 3:17 PM Author: Tan area azn got an off-plan clerkship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15964520) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 6:01 PM Author: Cyan potus How many total clerkships have you fags been applying to?
Also, if a judge says his "preferred GPA" is top 15%, should I not even bother if I'm in between top 15% and 20% |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:20 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Clear Spot Lettuce 100+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997198) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:54 PM Author: Cyan potus Yikes, looks like I better step my game up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997447) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy Clear Spot Lettuce When you consider that I only have a shot at 1/3 of them, if that, it doesn't seem like a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997771) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 4:00 PM Author: Hairraiser Clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15996116) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 6:58 PM Author: Cyan potus So is OSCAR not loading for anyone else? WTF (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997469) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:23 PM Author: Hairraiser Clown isn't that because applications were just released to chambers, so everyone is on oscar looking at applications before calling people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1412614&forum_id=2#15997667) |