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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:26 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962442) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 12:47 PM Author: Khaki Vigorous Degenerate Temple Lowest GPA that isn't auto-ding? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15963236) |
Date: September 4th, 2010 9:26 AM Author: very tactful canary corner headpube I didn't apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962443) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:37 AM Author: exciting azn I am going to start applying to clerkships next week. How fucked? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962450) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:44 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig Pretty fucked for the semi-prestigious clerkships, unless you have absolutely top grades from a T6. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962461) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:47 AM Author: exciting azn I don't care about prestige. How about them apples?
BTW I'm at a T30, top quarter of my class, LR. Chances at getting a non-prestigious district court clerkship / clerking for a magistrate / clerking for a bankruptcy judge? Have any estimate? |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:01 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig I'm at one of the more competitive districts (CD Cal, SDNY). You could get a clerkship with a magistrate if you were from a local T30 school. Probably out of the running for a district judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962490) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:07 AM Author: exciting azn Thanks man. Know anything about bankruptcy judges?
I kind of figured it was too late for me to get a D. Ct. clerkship anyways--I hadn't even planned on applying until my firm no-offered. I'll try to focus on the less-prestigious district courts in this area and magistrate judges. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:34 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig don't know anything about bankruptcy judges - the bankruptcy court isn't in our building. magistrate clerkships can be great experiences. you learn a ton about civil procedure and discovery (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962587) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:13 AM Author: exciting azn I'm thinking if I can somehow land a Magistrate clerkship, maybe I can actually get my ducks in a row earlier next year and start applying for D. Ct. clerkships in the Spring of '12. Gotta claw my way up the ladder somehow.
What do you think my odds are in applying to Magistrate judges in TTT cities out of my region (e.g., Las Cruces NM) where there isn't a tier 1 (or even tier 2) law school nearby? |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:18 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig I guess you could have a shot if there are no law schools nearby. It's different for my court, because we have good law schools and TTTs in our district. I know all the clerks for the magistrates in my court, and most of them are top students from the local TTTs. Some Harvard/Stanford clerks also, but I get the sense that they had crappy grades. No idea how magistrates hire if there aren't nearby law schools.
I don't know anyone who went from a magistrate clerkship to a D Ct. clerkship. I'm sure it happens, but that's not as common as going from D Ct. to COA. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:27 AM Author: exciting azn How competitive are staff attorney positions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962863) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:29 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig don't have a good idea about that. we have a few, but i don't know much about their backgrounds. i think they all practiced for a while before being hired by the court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962876) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:30 AM Author: exciting azn OK. One more question--you said you knew all of the Magistrate clerks in your district. What are they doing after their clerkships end? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962881) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:33 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig They all just started, so they don't have anything lined up. Most of the district clerks have offers from their summer firms, but I don't know of any magistrate clerks who have summer offers. I think a lot of them are hoping to get into DOJ Honors or some other gov position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962893) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:45 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre I dont get it--I thought judges on plan can't read apps until 9/7? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962463) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:46 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig haha. hiring plan is a myth for most judges (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962464) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 9:47 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre Plz explain? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962469) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:02 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig A lot of 3Ls send their paper applications in June/July. If someone looks like an amazing candidate, they will get a call well before sept. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962491) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:08 AM Author: exciting azn Yeah. I know a guy who has had a COA gig lined up for a month already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962504) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 10:36 AM Author: Provocative pistol i'm not even applying, so fuck you fucking nerd faggot piece of shit nigger
i bang so many more bitches than you ever will. lol @ your shitty little clerkship and shitty little life |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:00 AM Author: slap-happy goal in life chapel lol, relax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962716) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 2:49 PM Author: lime quadroon new version u happy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15970456) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:24 AM Author: Lascivious Lay have you read mine yet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962836) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:26 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig probably. it seems like every law student in the US has applied (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962855) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:29 AM Author: Lascivious Lay yuck. yes, that is my fear. i feel like i am somewhat competitive, but have very, very low expectations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962870) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:30 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig find a prof who will make calls for you. that will be the deciding factor for most clerks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962879) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:32 AM Author: exciting azn Explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962890) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:34 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig we have an entire empty office that is already filled with applications, and the hiring plan apps haven't even come in yet. there is no way for us to seriously consider every application. if a professor calls (even if the prof doesn't know my judge) and gives a stunning recommendation, that will get the application in front of my judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962899) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:59 AM Author: Exhilarant black woman titMFcr,
This is how I got the Clerkship with my judge. He was so impressed that a Professor was willing to call on my behalf. |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:35 AM Author: Lascivious Lay does this hold true for like magistrate judges in crappy districts? or are they still going to get absolutely bombarded too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962905) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:37 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig magistrate judges are often brilliant lawyers with stellar reputations and connections in the legal community. a lot of law students miss this point. they likely know as many law professors as district judges. and they are also swamped with applications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962910) |
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Date: September 4th, 2010 11:25 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone chad hys honors, biglaw partner v50 firm, handling cases in 3 different federal circuits, chances at an offer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15962844) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:00 AM Author: Shimmering school multi-billionaire Most common errors in applications? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968824) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:25 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig A lot of people forget to include the correct name of the court in their cover letter. They apparently can't use auto-replace correctly. That is an auto-ding. And putting bizarre things in the hobby section - don't do it. List something simple and normal, like running or hiking, not Star Trek, bar-hopping, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968849) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:26 AM Author: Startled glittery incel range what about niggerthreading (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968852) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:27 AM Author: Talented volcanic crater stead orchestrating lemon parties (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968855) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:29 AM Author: Startled glittery incel range yes but only w/ other LR members (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968857) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:39 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre So you are saying you have to add the name of the court to the address, and if you dont that is an auto ding?
If this is the case, it just underscores why this process is retarded and it's best to apply off plan. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:41 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig No, that's not necessary. But if you do include the name of the court, include the correct one. This is particularly true when they include the court name in the body of the letter. For example, one letter stated, "I am very interested in clerking for the United States District Court for the District of Maryland." That is not my court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968910) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:44 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre oh, ok. totally agree. yea i didnt make this mistake. At what point do you read the writing sample? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968921) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:54 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig We don't read the writing sample until they get an interview. Just not enough time to read every writing sample. At least for my judge, the writing sample doesn't matter very much. Just don't have typos. This probably is not true for appellate courts. I am clerking on a COA next year, and all of my COA interviewers asked me about my writing sample. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968961) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:57 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre SO if I get an interview, can I fed ex a revised version of the writing sample? I spotted a typo and I didn't correct it until some of the apps were already sent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968971) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:58 AM Author: Startled glittery incel range lol @ u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968973) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:59 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig ha. no. that would look terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968979) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:00 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre Why is that? Should I just pray that a) the typos isn't noticed or b) isn't enough to ding me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15968987) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:04 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig When you write an order or an opinion for a judge, you can't retract it the next day because you just spotted a typo.
If you're applying for D Ct. clerkships, there's a good chance that they won't spot the typo, particularly if it's buried in the middle. How bad is it? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:07 AM Author: Startled glittery incel range "Based on the foregoing, this court should NIGGER!!!!!!!! reverse and remand." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15969000) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:17 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre Its buried in the middle but I mean...its clearly a mistake.
Why does it differ between appellate and district courts?
I understand why typos are bad. I am not defending them...i dont know how i missed it. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:19 AM Author: Galvanic rigpig not worth trying to fix it now. We've interviewed a few candidates so far, and I don't think any of us made it to the middle of their writing samples.
appellate courts are much more focused on writing. district court clerkships are more about responding to daily crises. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:28 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal glassy theatre Thakns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15969096) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:47 PM Author: swashbuckling aquamarine senate foreskin awesome post, considering the subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973429) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 2:46 PM Author: Titillating laser beams casino Clerk sent interview appointment time on Friday afternoon, asking me to "please confirm." Didn't respond until just now, Sunday morning. Did I F myself in the A? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15970427) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:45 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig You're probably OK, because the hiring plan hasn't officially kicked in yet. But don't do that again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15972903) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:32 PM Author: apoplectic razzle useless brakes site Especially because clerks don't work on holiday weekends, and most leave early for such weekends. The courthouse was freakin' empty on Friday afternoon.
We're government employees, after all. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:18 PM Author: domesticated hyperventilating cruise ship electric furnace I lucked into a District Court interview (median at t25, scored interview thru good references)
Is this still going to be a "fit" interview or should I expect questions about my qualifications? What should I do to prepare aside form reading recent opinion? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:49 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig Congrats. Especially in this economy, getting a d ct. interview with your stats is a big accomplishment.
The interview still will be mostly about fit at this point. The only thing that could really hurt you is if a clerk tells the judge that your grades suck (most judges don't have a very good idea about grades and class rank, so they rely on clerks).
See if your school keeps a feedback book from other students who have interviewed with judges. This can be very helpful - they tell you what sorts of things judges ask about. Some interviews are very informal and you just talk about your background, hobbies, etc. Others are very substantive and they will quiz you about specific topics. Best to know what you're walking into. Also make sure you know every line of your resume and the obvious questions (why did you take that job, what did you learn from it, why did you leave). Easy stuff, but we had a clerkship candidate who didn't seem to know his own resume. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:48 PM Author: domesticated hyperventilating cruise ship electric furnace Much appreciated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973439) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:35 PM Author: apoplectic razzle useless brakes site Do you mean you scored the interview because your LORs were excellent, or because one of the judge's friends called on your behalf? If it's later, the judge may be interviewing you as more of a courtesy to his friend than because he really wants to hire you. However, I know my judge once hired someone from this kind of interview, because that candidate presented extremely well in person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973323) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:58 PM Author: domesticated hyperventilating cruise ship electric furnace The latter. Fortunately I do present well in person- i spent two summer in Biglaw and rocked an improbable 85% screening interview to callback and 90% callback to offer ratio with these grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973496) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:53 PM Author: exciting azn So I finished up my writing sample and basic cover letter today. Hopefully will have my LOR's in by early this week. I have my list of judges ready--mostly District Courts in regions where my school has pull and Magistrates in TTT districts all over the place.
Edit--Also, I was no offered by my summer firm for "economic reasons." I'm getting at least one LOR from a partner at the firm, possibly the hiring partner, and I've been told repeatedly that my no-offer wasn't performance-related (in fact, my whole class got no-offered. . . I know).
How fucked? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:56 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig You need to get those all in overnight mail this week. Hiring plan, man. A few judges will hire after the hiring plan rush, but not that many. Even if you don't have all your LOR's, send those things out now! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973005) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:58 PM Author: exciting azn OK, thanks. I'll do that.
Wish my firm would have told me a month ago that I wasn't getting a jerb. Don't know why they waited so long. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:01 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig Just make sure that your cover letter and resume looks like a finished product. You don't want the judge (and clerks) to look at the app and think, "this is the last-minute application from someone who was no-offered."
If you were cold-offered rather than no-offered, your chances are much better. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:06 PM Author: exciting azn Nah, I'll make sure it looks nice. Hell, they won't even know that I was no-offered until I get an interview, right?
I don't know how to handle this no-offer shit. Won't a LOR from a higher-up at the firm + the fact that my whole class got the axe do anything for me? I mean, there are quite a few of us no-offerees running around out here. You'd think that after the great debacle of 2009, the stigma would be gone. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:08 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig Oh, if the entire class got no-offered, then that's fine. I thought that most firms this year gave offers to most of their summers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973130) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: exciting azn That's the story they've been pumping on ATL, but I know more people who are either waiting to hear back or have been no-offered than people who have received offers.
Granted, not a ton of people at my school got summer gigs at Vault firms to begin with. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:24 PM Author: Trip pea-brained striped hyena tanning salon you'd be an idiot to tell any interviewer that you were no- offered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973241) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:25 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig we ask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973247) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:28 PM Author: exciting azn So should I be all like "I didn't receive an offer, and the two other guys in my class didn't either. We were told that it was for financial/economic reasons, and that if the market started to improve they would possibly reconsider." ? (this is true) Is that the best way to spin it?
I don't even feel like I should HAVE to spin this bullshit, since it was my firm's fault, not mine. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:37 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig if you're asked, that's the best way to spin it. as long as you tell the truth - because the judge may want to speak with a partner at the firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973347) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:43 PM Author: exciting azn Well, that's the truth as I understand it. I just talked to the other two guys on Thursday, and both got the same speech that I got, and neither got offers. The weird thing is that the firm left it sort of open-ended with all of us. I guess I'm not ruling out the possibility that the firm could go back and make an offer to one of the other guys (especially the guy who was an URM--the firm was lily-white). I don't think that would happen within the next three weeks or so, though.
I'll just say that none of us got offers, and we were told that it was for financial reasons. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: exciting azn One more Q--how bad is it that I haven't taken Federal Courts? Will the Magistrates care?
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:48 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig Are you planning to take it this year? As long as it's on your transcript, it's fine. No need to have taken it as a 2L. But you should take it this year. It has been very useful so far.
And yes, Magistrates will care just as much as d ct. judges. There is this weird myth that magistrates will take any random hobo who applies for a clerkship. Their standards are much higher than the xoxo wisdom. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:50 PM Author: exciting azn Nah, it's not being offered this semester. Can I just tell them that if I get a clerkship, I'll make sure to take it in the spring?
Also, I'm not trying to discount magistrates' standards or anything. I just know there is relatively less competition for those spots. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:51 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig No. Just sign up for it now. If you don't clerk, drop it before spring semester starts and sign up for Sexuality and the Law seminar or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973466) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:38 PM Author: apoplectic razzle useless brakes site The last sentence is fine, the first should be more general--i.e., "The firm did not extend offers to any summers this year." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973353) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:43 PM Author: exciting azn OK, thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973400) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:02 PM Author: beady-eyed abode Did you apply for the Bristow? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973071) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:06 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig Not yet. I'm doing a district court clerkship this year and an appellate clerkship next year. I'll probably apply next year, but those are damn hard to get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973118) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:07 PM Author: fragrant crusty twinkling uncleanness Yeah those are basically only for former SCOTUS clerks, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973125) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig Not always. There are some non-SCOTUS clerks who get them. But the feeder judges are generally the same for both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973133) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: beady-eyed abode No it's usually people coming straight out of COA who haven't gotten hired by SCOTUS (though often they do get hired a year or two later). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973135) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:11 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig I'm more interested in DOJ Honors program for the civil appellate division, but those are about as competitive as bristow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973150) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:31 PM Author: bateful seedy sneaky criminal do clerks ask point blank whether we got an offer from our summer firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973294) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:36 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig we do, but that's because my judge was a partner at a big firm so he knows how offers work. but he was the only judge who asked me about whether i got an offer. i think many do not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973330) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:36 PM Author: irate masturbator mental disorder Have you learned the rules on forfeiture and waiver yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973344) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:39 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig in law school, yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973363) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:40 PM Author: bateful seedy sneaky criminal do judges call people from places you worked over the summers without notifying you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973377) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:42 PM Author: Galvanic rigpig that happened to me with one judge, but it was only because i had worked in a fairly small office of a biglaw firm, and he knew one of the partners there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414140&forum_id=2#15973395) |