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Is Chicago's OCI really going that poorly?
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:51 AM Author: Cocky Sapphire Becky Trust Fund A number of people with 178+ have no callbacks in MANHATTAN. What gives? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968679) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:53 AM Author: umber razzmatazz mood center Chicago is located in Chicago bro. Focus on that market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968684) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:54 AM Author: Cocky Sapphire Becky Trust Fund The Chicago market is even worse. People with 179+ have ONE FUCKING CALLBACK in Chicago out of 15+ interviews.
Supposedly Chicago places just as well as Columbia and NYU, but it looks much, much worse this year. I just don't get it. Isn't MANHATTAN supposed to be easy? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:57 AM Author: umber razzmatazz mood center lol at your shiesty grading system selfpwning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968697) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:23 AM Author: talking depressive karate could you get into chicago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057643) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 8:28 PM Author: Glassy Box Office Liquid Oxygen Probably, it's kind of a shithole at this point
The real question is why would he want to? |
Date: September 5th, 2010 3:55 AM Author: Shimmering lascivious library roommate totally off topic, but the smartest guy i know turned down both yale and HLS for uchicago. no idea why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968688) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 3:58 AM Author: vigorous vengeful abode old irish cottage stfu jjc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968699) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:24 AM Author: Racy judgmental step-uncle's house partner glaring shiTTTcago trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968812) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:01 AM Author: blue abusive market ty for that retro post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968988) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:03 PM Author: Internet-worthy ebony gay wizard queen of the night well then you must only know dumbasses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969806) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:34 AM Author: Exciting Maroon Cuckold You can be a brilliant dumb ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16058309) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:39 AM Author: flirting adventurous mother hint: he's actually the dumbest guy you know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291163) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:00 AM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot It certainly seems this way; unless, for whatever reason, employers are slow to get back to us this year.
But nyc's tendencies are established, and if we were going to hear we would have. A bloodbath is probably the only way to view it |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: Cocky Sapphire Becky Trust Fund I know a couple people around median or somewhat above with ZERO callbacks in New York...is it because of the late OCI or what?
And yes, NY firms tend to call within 48 hours. Only a few firms call within max a week, so if you haven't heard by then, probably not getting callback. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 9:49 AM Author: impertinent crackhouse I find this incredibly hard to believe. Even if U of C students have to compete with HYS for Kirkland and Sidley, you would think that for the slightly lesser Chicago firms (Mayer Brown, MWE, Sonnenschein, etc.) that U of C kids would be on the top of their list and getting callbacks in droves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968947) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:00 AM Author: Obsidian piazza The problem is that the "lesser Chicago firms" aren't going to have 70 student summer classes to dump droves of Chicago 2Ls into, unlike HYSCN with respect to top NYC firms. Mayer Brown had something like 9 2Ls last summer.
In contrast, there are at least 5 NYC firms with huge summer classes next summer: Cleary, Simpson, Paul Weiss, Debevoise, DPW, Cravath, S&C.
I have a feeling that Chicago students did fine if they targeted NYC. Targeting any other market but that and Houston has, from what I've seen, been suicide for all but the top students. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:03 AM Author: umber razzmatazz mood center ATL had stats and there were 300 SAs in all of Chicago last year. Must suck for Kent sudents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968992) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:04 AM Author: impertinent crackhouse Wow. That's astounding. I'd love a link if you have it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968997) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:19 AM Author: Supple meetinghouse nalpdirectory.com
Start counting. It's bad. |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:25 AM Author: dun charismatic selfie just theoretically, given your grades and likely 159 on the LSAT, where would you end up at law school? ever thing of going and meeting your heroes close up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057651) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:03 AM Author: impertinent crackhouse I see. You've heard that U of Cers are doing well in Houston? |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:04 AM Author: umber razzmatazz mood center Enjoy not having ties bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15968996) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 10:29 AM Author: Obsidian piazza No. I think Houston firms are also going to have gargantuan summer classes. They also have a fetish for T10 law students with strong ties to TX.
CA firms historically don't take on many SAs, and the market is cyclical so there's low job security.
DC is competitive as hell.
What does that leave you in terms of major markets??? Not fucking much. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:07 PM Author: slate fortuitous meteor The problem is Chicago doesn't have a deep biglaw market so there aren't as many summer associate positions. There was a thread on here a few months ago that showed summer associate positions dropped from like 900 to 300 from summer 2009 to 2010. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969508) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:10 PM Author: slate fortuitous meteor Here is the data from the thread I mentioned:
2008 Summer Associate total= 809
2009 Summer Associate total= 581
2010 Summer Associate total= 256
2008 2009 2010 [2L Summer Associate class]
Baker & McKenzie LLP – Chicago
2 8 4
Banner & Witcoff, Ltd.
5 3 3
Barnes & Thornburg LLP
3 0 0
BRINKS HOFER GILSON & LIONE
7 12 1
BRYAN CAVE LLP – CHICAGO
6 3 2
Butler Rubin Saltarelli & Boyd LLP
1 1 1
Chapman and Cutler LLP
10 9 7
DLA Piper LLP (US)
18 7 5
Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP
12 5 4
DYKEMA (Dykema Gossett PLLC) - CHICAGO OFFICE
6 3 2
FITCH EVEN TABIN & FLANNERY
7 1 0
FOLEY & LARDNER LLP- CHICAGO
21 9 4
Goldberg Kohn Ltd.
8 1 1
Greenberg Traurig, LLP
6 7 3
Hinshaw & Culbertson LLP
18 7 8
Holland & Knight LLP – Chicago
6 4 2
JENNER & BLOCK LLP
40 46 16
JONES DAY – CHICAGO
17 21 8
K&L Gates LLP - Chicago, IL
10 13 3
Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP
29 15 5
KIRKLAND & ELLIS LLP – Chicago
54 52 32
LATHAM & WATKINS LLP – CHICAGO
25 20 9
Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell LLP – Chicago
11 2 2
Lovells LLP
7 4 2
Marshall, Gerstein & Borun LLP
4 2 4
MAYER BROWN LLP
71 46 11
McAndrews, Held & Malloy, Ltd.
7 4 4
McDermott Will & Emery LLP
14 14 8
McDonnell Boehnen Hulbert & Berghoff LLP
9 9 9
McGuireWoods LLP – Chicago
8 11 4
Michael Best & Friedrich LLP
2 2 1
Miller Shakman & Beem LLP
2 1 0
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP
5 3 0
Neal, Gerber & Eisenberg LLP
19 10 0
NIXON PEABODY LLP - Chicago, IL
2 1 2
Paul, Hastings, Janofsky & Walker LLP
14 5 5
Perkins Coie LLP
4 3 1
Pircher, Nichols & Meeks
3 3 3
Quarles & Brady LLP
3 3 0
Reed Smith – Chicago
6 6 2
Ropes & Gray LLP
0 6 5
Schiff Hardin LLP
12 21 8
SEYFARTH SHAW LLP – CHICAGO
9 6 0
Shefsky & Froelich Ltd
2 1 1
SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP – CHICAGO
75 43 20
SKADDEN, ARPS, SLATE, MEAGHER & FLOM LLP - CHICAGO
57 33 9
Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP
43 14 6
Thompson Coburn LLP
3 1 1
Ungaretti & Harris LLP
6 4 3
Vedder Price, P.C.
10 5 0
WILDMAN, HARROLD, ALLEN & DIXON LLP
14 17 3
Winston & Strawn LLP
67 54 22 |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:43 PM Author: ultramarine legend institution Dear god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973402) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:25 AM Author: umber razzmatazz mood center mother of god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057650) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 10:06 AM Author: cracking patrolman base lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057790) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:57 AM Author: Heady plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16058491) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:17 PM Author: Heady plaza tyty for this chart. I found the Baker data confusing since they only had 2 summers in '08; turns out they "mistakenly" messed up their NALP data by filling up the wrong row.
The 2008-10 numbers are actually: 24 14 (8 offers) 4
In 08, 09 they hired a number of 1L's. LOL
Imo, the 2011 numbers won't look much better when they come out in a couple of months. But I think 2012 will look up |
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Date: January 6th, 2011 2:03 PM Author: slate fortuitous meteor Optimistic 1L? Always good to think positive, I guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16985116) |
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Date: January 6th, 2011 11:49 AM Author: umber razzmatazz mood center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16984272) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:09 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot Any Uchi ppl around median - or below - target CA w any success?
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:06 PM Author: Internet-worthy ebony gay wizard queen of the night from what i've heard, CA firms are giving out some CBs but there will be very few offers. offer/CB ratios will be somewhere around 1/5 for CA firms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969818) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:13 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot !!!?
Are you sure? On what basis do you have this knowledge |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:17 PM Author: Internet-worthy ebony gay wizard queen of the night friend of a friend of a partner at arguably the best firm in SV (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969884) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 12:10 PM Author: saffron ratface tattoo I wonder how RIGOROUS working at McDonald's is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969523) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 1:23 PM Author: frum rough-skinned hospital Yes, it is. I know multiple people with no callbacks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15969936) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:17 PM Author: Shaky titillating sandwich love of her life To be fair, this should not surprise anyone in the know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972208) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:17 PM Author: Shaky titillating sandwich love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972210) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 5:59 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972109) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 6:04 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot to be honest, the self-selection -- and corresponding onslaught -- into Chicago shouldn't account for the majority of the pain here.
Chicago isn't placing into NYC at nearly the same click as our peers. This is troubling. I feel like Penn is doing a better job placing their at-median kids into firms. |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 7:00 PM Author: pale seedy house median at penn is looking rough. most median ppl i know have 0-2 callbacks. some are pushing 4-5, but very very few ppl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15972564) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:04 PM Author: azure glittery generalized bond theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16978407) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:13 PM Author: Godawful Voyeur Cruise Ship how much will they pay me to clean the toilets at biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973168) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:16 PM Author: Histrionic Wine Native c/o 2013 should defer/take a leave of absence right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973180) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:32 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot the entire class? just get up and defer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973307) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:16 PM Author: Histrionic Wine Native and c/o 2012 without jobs should take a leave of absence too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973187) |
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Date: September 5th, 2010 8:29 PM Author: Insecure up-to-no-good theater stage ... so hows UIUC doing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#15973279) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:37 AM Author: Exciting Maroon Cuckold lol mad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16058335) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:22 AM Author: Obsidian piazza HOLY SHIT!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057641) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:24 AM Author: Galvanic den explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057647) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 9:40 AM Author: Territorial irradiated hissy fit bawdyhouse LOL I GO TO MVP AND HAVE 4 NYC CBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16057700) |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 10:49 AM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot cool.
go fuck yourself. |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 11:55 AM Author: Heady plaza I don't doubt your anecdotal evidence, but OCS released the "who works where" list for the c/o 2011 (that just finished summering). Seems like median and above medians did fine in NYC. Multiple ppl ended up at Debevoise, DPW, Paul Weiss, etc. and that was last year, which I would think was worse than this year. Typically 1/3 of the LR types head to DC, not NYC
But yeah, sucks that Chicago biglaw has gone from 900 SA's to 250 (probably no more than 300 this upcoming summer). It's probably less than both those numbers; half the firms listed in a previous post don't pay market. By contrast, NYC has probably gone from ~3500 to 2000. Keep in mind though that uchi's class is pretty small (200), tends to disperse geographically, not many HYS'ers come to chicago, and chicago firms like seeing chicago ties; hence I don't think relatively speaking uchi is placing poorly in chicago |
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Date: September 16th, 2010 2:38 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16059784) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 8:13 PM Author: Copper Wild Casino So what were the results? They kicked ass here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16286847) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 8:15 PM Author: Obsidian piazza weil callbacks dont count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16286870) |
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Date: October 13th, 2010 9:13 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot ??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16287413) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:25 AM Author: Shaky titillating sandwich love of her life to be fair, if you can't make top third at a ttt like u of c, you're either too dumb or too lazy to deserve biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291135) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:27 AM Author: sienna windowlicker stage LOL @ needing to be smart for biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291142) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:33 AM Author: Shaky titillating sandwich love of her life no one said anything about needing to be smart - just about reaching a certain threshold of above-simian intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291156) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 9:38 AM Author: Hateful private investor so you're able to keep up with your biglaw job despite being dumb, then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291161) |
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Date: October 14th, 2010 11:22 AM Author: Jet indian lodge dog poop It's weird. It seems that Chicago placed worse into New York than MVP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16291736) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:07 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot very little dishonesty on my part. read carefully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16978435) |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:09 PM Author: Obsidian piazza dude, u didnt even start 1L at the time and you were focusing on this shit. i didnt evne know what OCI was until i began my second semester of 1L
hows about you break out the chicago mold and get laid? |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:10 PM Author: Sticky personal credit line spot im going to professional school. the only thing anyone in professional school can possibly care about is entering/being employable in that profession. OCI is the main vehicle for achieving that. I hardly think this makes me 'unusual' or 'crazy'
and im legitimately one of the more normal people in my class |
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Date: January 5th, 2011 5:43 PM Author: Obsidian piazza that's truly frightening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1414864&forum_id=2#16978695) |
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Date: January 6th, 2011 2:07 PM Author: Cowardly pistol you know the real problem here?
not only are firms ramping up drug screening, but they aren't hiring virgins. perhaps this is why chicago is getting hit the hardest in OCI numbers. |