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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:24 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button would i be crazy to take quinn ny over places like s&c/cleary/paul weiss? i like their whole shtick about letting people do real lit work early, which im pretty sure is what i want to do. but it sounds like people trash it all the time - why?
would the answer change if you subbed patterson for quinn? if so, why? they present themselves in a pretty similar fashion. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:29 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building I just remember people stressing how hard Quinn works you even for a NY firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997722) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button *who* stressed that? i mean i've heard that thrown around too, which would suck if true, but wouldn't it be better to be doing "meaningful" stuff rather than busting your balls at s&c doing bullshit? or am i buying into their marketing too much? |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:35 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building who stressed that? older students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997786) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:40 PM Author: Jade parlor unless they're using alternative billing for a significant portion of their work (and I'm not under the impression that that's the case) then I can't imagine how partners are pulling down $3+million/year without making associates engage in some serious bullshit work the same way S&C and all the other usual NYC culprits do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997829) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:42 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop they're repping plaintiffs against financial institutions. large verdicts if they win. contingency billing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997850) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:43 PM Author: Jade parlor I didn't know they did plaintiff work - frankly, I'm surprised they do. If true, then I guess they can make a ton of money without leveraging the shit out of all of their cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997859) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:52 PM Author: Jet-lagged Gold Sanctuary They aren't representing Joe Blow, though. They're representing insurers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997932) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:45 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button they made a big point of stressing this as a factor of why they have been doing so well.
also brought in a stream of junior associates who said they had done sw33t work their in their first couple years. trying to tell if its all BS marketing or not. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:48 PM Author: Beta shrine When a V20 firm has to convince you that their job offer is worth taking it's pretty obvious that it's shit, PURE SHIT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997895) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:52 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button nah, they just LOVE me soooo much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997934) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:10 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop problem is that they're eliminating a massive potential client base, and there's a lot of pressure associated with doing plaintiffs work (i.e., nothing better than havig a nice few large institutional clients you can always rely on for revenue)
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:36 PM Author: Beta shrine Because SC/PW/Clearly are 9-5 joints, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997790) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:37 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button this is sort of my feeling. i'm going to get assraped hours-wise wherever i go, so shouldn't i actually be getting decent experience during said assraping? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997801) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:45 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building read my post again. I said bad even by NY standards, which of course means even compared to the major NY firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997872) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:36 PM Author: Jade parlor Yes, I think you'd be crazy. That place is supposed to be teh suck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997799) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:38 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button great, but it's hard for me to make actual decisions based on "teh suck" alone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997815) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:42 PM Author: Jade parlor see my post above. Quinn is way too obsessed with pulling down ridiculous profits to really be giving a shit about their associates' experience (unless, as I stated above they're able to engage in a ton of alternative billing). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997849) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:42 PM Author: Beta shrine A business being "obsessed" with profits. Really makes you think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997852) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:44 PM Author: Jade parlor A basement dweller being obsessed with BIGLAW. Also makes you think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997865) |
Date: September 8th, 2010 7:36 PM Author: Beta shrine CHECK YOU EMAILS *shits on Bob's victory email* |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:41 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop quinn is so overrated. so overrated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997842) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:44 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button tell me more wise pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997866) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:52 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building I would def take Patterson over Quinn (and even Boies). Great litigation experience and consistently ranked in multiple rankings as one of the best in associate satisfaction.
Pretty sure I would have done Patterson or Cleary if I'd stayed in NYC. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:54 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button yah i'm crossing my fingers for a patterson offer. i have have boies cb soon, and i'm trying to figure out how to distinguish between those 3 (boies, patterson, quinn). then decide whether a small(ish) lit shop is worth taking over l33t v10s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997966) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:56 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building yea in my mind it's Patterson > Boies > Quinn and I'm a huge fan of Patterson obviously.
The only thing I'd find out more about from the esteemed xoxo community is exit opps out of Patterson/Boies/Quinn compared to the V10. Consensus I think is that the V10 gives you better exit options, but if you're getting some great experience at one of the smaller firms then I don't know. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:01 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button yea thats the only thing that worries me. i talked to a quinn dude after my CB and he basically had no idea what he was going to do when he was done there (not making partner). basically explicitly said that his friends at bigger firms had more options. but it sounds like he was having a better time while at the firm...
btw, hows yale? too good for nyu? |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:03 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building yea I'm sure others have insight on this. I really doubt your exit options are bad coming out of one of these firms.
yale is ok. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:07 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button yea the people i've met from there were kinda weird. smart, but weird. not sure i'd really fit in. best of luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998066) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:08 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building yea my interviewer really stressed their quarky nature - patterson seems like the cleary of smaller nyc places.
quinn like maybe the skadden.
boies the s&c? i'm just bored. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:15 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button ha i was talking about yale, but sure, that works too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998133) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:19 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building lol oh. i'm still getting an idea of what the people are like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998158) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:58 PM Author: Jade parlor I have friends Patterson and I can say that that place is fantastic. A bunch of extremely bright people there who didn't buy into the Vault rankings and don't work themselves to death to establish a sense of self-worth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15997998) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 7:59 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building ugh this makes me upset that I turned down a callback. I'm thinking it'd be cool to lateral into Patterson after I pay off my loans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998009) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:02 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button yea they made a big deal of playing up their success in clerk hiring, which makes sense. seems like clerks probably make better firm choices than clueless barely-2Ls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998030) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button soo anyone with more insight on patterson? or maybe the patterson/boies/quinn vs. v10 choice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998090) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: boyish rambunctious resort quinn is MISERABLE. i have 2 good friends in the LA office and 1 in NY.
don't buy the marketing about "meaningful" work. my friend in NY was stuck on a massive doc review project. i didn't see her in months and finally i ran into her at the gym on a sunday and she said this was the first wknd she had off in about 3 months. the bottom line is that any place that does massive, high-profile litigation means most of the work is going to be grunt work. quinn is also cheap as FUCK. you have to bill 2100 to get a bonus at all.
i don't know much about patterson but i assume they probably do smaller, lower-stakes cases where they staff more leanly, which often translate into better work and more responsibility for juniors. i do think it probably won't give you as much lateral power as at a quinn/boies or v10-type firm though, if you care about that sort of thing.
as for boies, they pay the best $$$$$ outside wachtell. you get in bonus 1/3 of every hour you bill over 2200 at your hourly rate. my friend who is a 5th year there got a $100k in 2009, which is ridic given the nature of the economy. you will work hard there, no question, but it'll be the same # of hours as at quinn, and you'll be compensated very well for it. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:19 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button thx friend. yea i'm a little concerned about the 2100 or no bonus thing, but i dunno, i got a lot of anecdotes of young associates doing good stuff. who knows...maybe i'll go back and talk to some more associates.
re: boies - ugh, not sure i want to work that many hours. not a huge $ whore. i think i'd be fine taking the 160+small bonus and running at patterson. lack of exit ops kinda worries me, but fuck it, i can't be constantly living for 5 years from now. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:21 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop seems like you're going to take quinn no matter what, even if boies offers a similar/better experience, more money, and better exit options.
you're dumb as balls. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:23 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button not at all. just don't have an offer on the table at this point from boies/patterson, so i'm trying not to get ahead of myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998193) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:33 PM Author: boyish rambunctious resort i'd probably take patterson over quinn or boies due to the hours, but you'd be a dumbnut to take quinn over boies. you'll work the same # of hours with the same work but make $100k more at boies. if you are working 2400-2500/yr, you will care about the money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998274) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:45 PM Author: Jade parlor I think Patterson attorneys get a lot of respect in the NYC area and the exit options are fine. I'm not in lit, so I'm not sure what you're looking for exactly - but I can't imagine it's inhouse (and if it is, I guess I'd avoid Quinn like the plague because apparently they're adverse to a number of large financial institutions). But if it's to lateral to other firms, AUSA, or clerk, I think Patterson will open those doors to you and you wouldn't be significantly worse off than a doc review monkey from Paul Weiss etc would be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998398) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 8:55 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button dude i frankly have no idea what litigators do when they're done litigating. my main concern with exit opps is more geographical - i might want to move to a more regional market some years down the road, so a firm that only has cache in NYC is a bit of a problem. but again, fuck it. LIVE FOR TODAY (says the cowardly law student) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998523) |
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Date: September 9th, 2010 9:18 AM Author: french provocative scourge upon the earth I think you'd be surprised by how well Patterson is known outside of New York. Good firms will have heard of them and will have a great amount of respect for them - and these are probably the only firms you're going to want to be focusing on anyway when lateraling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#16002378) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:03 PM Author: High-end associate patterson. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998623) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:12 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button well i'll hope for an offer then. what WOULD you take over patterson? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998725) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:14 PM Author: High-end associate even assuming you don't get an offer there, i would still forget about quinn. are cleary or dpw in play? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998739) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:16 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button had a cleary cb, felt good about it. havent heard yet - cb around a week ago (any idea on turnaround?). dpw is out - no cb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998754) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:18 PM Author: High-end associate here's how i would rank the firms you mentioned itt in terms of qol, exit options, and your stated desire to do substantive lit. work as a junior:
1)pbwt 2)cleary 3)s&c 4)boies 5)quinn/paul weiss |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:21 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building concur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998811) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:22 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button why s&c above boies? exit ops mostly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998821) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:23 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building yea, V10 are going to be more prestigious than the smaller ones and that will probably translate into better exit options. S&C is right up there with Cravath in terms of prestige IMO.
Patterson at the top because you'll get great experience, still very well regarded firm, and you won't hate life (as much, at least). |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:25 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button damnit dbt i love you, but you're still a no-nothing TLS 0L to me. whereas wintergreen is an xo/nyu masterman - what say you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998851) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:26 PM Author: High-end associate lol. he has it right. boies exit ops should be fine, i just didn't really like the place when i interviewed there. you may feel differently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998856) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:30 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button 8====D~~ 0: thanks |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:41 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop ", but you're still a no-nothing TLS 0L to me."
I think he's still a know-nothing TLS 0L to everyone here. |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:42 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building like everyone that hasn't worked at a firm yet, I would guess. my info just comes from now-3Ls, researching online, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999013) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:43 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button just giving you shit dude. youre cool in my book. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999017) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:43 PM Author: Alcoholic supple church building ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999020) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:45 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop yeah he's cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999041) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:18 PM Author: Yellow sticky mad cow disease feces The hardest working guy I know from law school described the hours and work environment at Quinn NY as "crushing." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998774) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:27 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button that's the kinda thing that worries me. i have no love for "crushing" hours. why did he go there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998864) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:27 PM Author: Beta shrine JEANS at work bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998870) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:31 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button dude do you have a spreadsheet with every firm/biglaw meme that has ever existed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998914) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:40 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop no, but when you try to act like you know everything about law firms and law schools, your best source for info is the internet. unfortunately, this also means that :D only really knows the half-true cliches about every firm and some funny meme about them that started on abovethelaw, thus exposing his complete inability to provide any form of substantive advice on this forum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15998995) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:42 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button harsh dude. guessing his shtick isn't supposed to involve substantive advice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999015) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:44 PM Author: Beta shrine don't be vocal in support of indians either dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999029) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:56 PM Author: Chrome bawdyhouse The Patterson trolling is a bit odd. Boies > Quinn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999136) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 9:57 PM Author: irradiated pungent chapel dog poop thank you for pointing this out. thought i was the only one who saw it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999140) |
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Date: September 8th, 2010 10:10 PM Author: Poppy Garrison Factory Reset Button well then give me the other side of the patterson story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1418074&forum_id=2#15999270) |