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LIBS: Care to Give Examples of Corporate Welfare?
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Date: September 10th, 2010 9:57 AM Author: big pozpig locus I always hear libs complain about this, yet when asked to cite specific examples, the shitheads I talk to fail and mumble something about tax laws (even though I have studied accounting while they were taking women's studies courses). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009759) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:18 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard Its usually tax breaks to companies so they can set up shop in a given area. For example, the state of Texas offering Toyota special incentives to have a factory in San Antonio.
They aren't a bad thing. You use tax incentives to get someone to change their habits so its no big deal.
My one issue with tax incentives is solely with Wal Mart. They will get a tax break from x county for x years. Then after x years they ask for a new store to be built and ask for more tax breaks. The problem with this is that you have burbs with empty shopping areas that are a blight on the area. |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:34 PM Author: hairraiser puce turdskin theatre They create all those evil jobs in your area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16012040) |
Date: September 10th, 2010 10:18 AM Author: dun stain Were you busy with your accountng course when the govt took over AIG so Goldman could get paid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009801) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:21 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard that was more of a worldwide aid to bail out foreign governments than just AIG and Goldman. People overlook that or just ignore that fact all the time.
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:25 AM Author: dun stain And food stamps are designed in part to stimulate local economies, but we still call it welfare. Motivations for the bailout aside, GS still got a lot of taxpayer money. |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:28 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard if we didn't bail out foreign governments and firms like GS then we would be in a depression. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009827) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:30 AM Author: heady organic girlfriend You're truly a goddamn moron. Do you think GS would've been bailed out if Paulson and Bernanke were Bear Stearns or Lehmann alums? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009833) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:33 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard Lehman is bankrupt, retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009842) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:34 AM Author: heady organic girlfriend Date: September 10th, 2010 10:33 AM Author: The Dark Knight (http://i.imgur.com/yJM4R.gif)
Lol, Lehman is bankrupt, retard
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009842) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:38 PM Author: Idiotic Roommate I like tdk, but this is funny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16012057) |
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Date: September 11th, 2010 3:47 AM Author: aqua duck-like affirmative action psychic Date: September 10th, 2010 10:33 AM Author: The Dark Knight(http://i.imgur.com/yJM4R.gif)
Lehman is bankrupt, retard |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: maroon pit halford cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009888) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:46 AM Author: Claret factory reset button casino The economy would be better off if at least one of those had been bailed out as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009891) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:46 AM Author: maroon pit halford Yeah man. Rewarding failure is credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009896) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:48 AM Author: maroon pit halford doing everything for the short term is exactly what got us into this mess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009911) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:49 AM Author: heady organic girlfriend Yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009919) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:51 AM Author: Claret factory reset button casino When the economy is steeply going downhill it is necessary to work for immediate improvements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009926) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:57 AM Author: maroon pit halford Nah ding man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009950) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:49 AM Author: heady organic girlfriend I love how pubs love to stress personal responsibility and accountability when it comes to blacks and rush to defend GS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009916) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:50 AM Author: Claret factory reset button casino Huh? I'm a liberal advocating government intervention in the economy to alleviate a recession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009921) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:58 AM Author: maroon pit halford Yah, and I'm a 'pub railing against bailouts. u fuckin 'tard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009955) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 11:01 AM Author: heady organic girlfriend Learn to read, fellow pumo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009976) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:31 AM Author: dun stain I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but the op asked for examples of corp welfare. If we didn't give people unemployment and foodstamps, they'd be begging in the streets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009835) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:35 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard True, but corporate incentives keep or bring companies to areas they wouldnt otherwise come to. In those terms it is welfare but its not a bad thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009850) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: big pozpig locus I guess the real issue here is that those policies are 1) mostly paid for by corporations (which are taxed at a very high rate), and 2) create jobs. Giving Aunt Shanequa food stamps to go buy crack doesn't create jobs or benefit anyone else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009889) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:48 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009909) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:59 AM Author: maroon pit halford http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/targets.htm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009963) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:53 AM Author: dun stain Actually, food stamps are probably one of the most efficient government stimulus programs around. A lare percentage of the funds dedicated to food stamps goes directly into local economies when recipients buy food. Merchant's sales are higher, and it's not like they make less profit on goods bought with food stamps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009935) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:57 AM Author: dun stain Also, corp income tax is about 12% of federal tax revenue, personal income tax is around 45%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009954) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:59 AM Author: maroon pit halford http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/targets.htm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009962) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:47 AM Author: maroon pit halford Yes it is a bad thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009900) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:48 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard how so? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009912) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:52 AM Author: maroon pit halford http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/targets.htm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009930) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: maroon pit halford we ARE in a depression. we shouldn't have bailed them out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009878) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:45 AM Author: apoplectic navy haunted graveyard naw man, I should have said GREAT depression. my fault (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009887) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:46 AM Author: maroon pit halford well you're wrong. fuck the idea of TOO BIG TO FAIL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009892) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:22 AM Author: heady organic girlfriend This (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009814) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:24 AM Author: Magical bawdyhouse There was this thing called TARP. How's that socialism working out for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009817) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:42 AM Author: big pozpig locus I opposed the bailouts. I realized they happened under Bush, but Bush was to conservatives as Obama is to liberals. Nobody is really pleased with the quality of recent presidents or their policies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009871) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:56 AM Author: Magical bawdyhouse agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009947) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:32 PM Author: Hideous Adventurous Meetinghouse Rigpig The point is that you are a true believer conservatard, while the people in power are just self interested. Anyone who still believes that free market principles can work in reality is a complete moron.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081216215816.8g97981o |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:28 AM Author: fishy startled ceo boiling water moniker+post fail (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009828) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:41 AM Author: maroon pit halford the bailouts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009867) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:42 AM Author: big pozpig locus But you liberals were in favor of the bailouts. Remember the part about Obama packing everything up and going to Washington to lobby for them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009874) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:44 AM Author: maroon pit halford I'm not a lib, but you're right, they were in favor. I was not in favor of them. I thought they were fucking stupid. But they were corporate welfare.
TOO BIG TO FAIL! |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 2:17 PM Author: garnet erotic macaca depressive yep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16011063) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 11:00 AM Author: dun stain Does "you liberals" just mean anyone you happen to disagree with? Do you really think corporate bailouts are a cornerstone of liberal political beliefs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009966) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:43 AM Author: Claret factory reset button casino Commentary about corporate welfare was going on long before the bailouts. Those aren't that great an answer to the OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009883) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:48 AM Author: maroon pit halford targeted tax breaks regulatory schemes that create winners and losers |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:49 AM Author: Claret factory reset button casino tax breaks are definitely a CR. what sorts of regulatory schemes are you referring to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009915) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:35 PM Author: bronze scourge upon the earth hominid banking deregulation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16012046) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 10:55 AM Author: dun stain Same shit happened during the S&L crisis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16009945) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 12:26 PM Author: Ruby Parlor the beef, corn, and sugar industries. every military contractor. TIFs. stadiums. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16010363) |
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Date: September 11th, 2010 12:20 AM Author: Titillating mischievous piazza TCR. Also steel (tariffs), trucking (public financing of the roads), alternative energy.
I'm a conservative and I don't support these either (not sure about defense--I know nothing about the industry). Conservatives should support a free and level market, not one in which companies with political clout get subsidies.
The discredited "corporate welfare" claim always raised by liberals is the claim that the tax code subsidizes companies that ship jobs overseas. It's hardly a "subsidy" to only tax companies on domestic income. By liberal standards if a company packed up and completely left the US, it would be getting a subsidy since it no longer had to pay US taxes.
If implemented, cap and trade could easily become one of the biggest means of corporate welfare in the country. A carbon tax would be equitable, but any sort of system where carbon credits are distributed for free to existing polluters is ripe for abuse. |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 2:35 PM Author: bronze scourge upon the earth hominid financial, tax, and regulatory "incentives" for creating jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16011166) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 3:27 PM Author: Razzle Electric Furnace Crotch http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1249465620080812 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16011578) |
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Date: September 11th, 2010 12:24 AM Author: Titillating mischievous piazza Not necessarily corporate welfare. Even completely elimination of the corporate tax wouldn't amount to "corporate welfare." The term is more appropriately applied to policies that favor particular businesses or industries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16015724) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:02 PM Author: Glittery stead black woman The entire fuckin defense industry?
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:13 PM Author: buff heaven srsly. this guy has to be fucking kidding.
"Oh, well defense doesn't count, and the bailouts don't really count because that just happened and I opposed them, and tax breaks, meh, and subsidies aren't a good example, and export-import bank, etc..."
the whole fucking economy is corporate welfare. |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:43 PM Author: Motley Pink Tanning Salon I'm guessing you haven't been paying attention to the news the past 3 years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1419491&forum_id=2#16012084) |
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Date: September 10th, 2010 4:44 PM Author: Onyx Stirring Juggernaut it's not just "libs" who have pointed out corporate welfare:
http://www.amazon.com/Big-Ripoff-Business-Government-Steal/dp/0471789070/
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Date: September 11th, 2010 12:04 AM Author: saffron prole goal in life Holy shit op got fucking burned in this thread...
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