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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:45 PM Author: henna hilarious philosopher-king property Subject: My thoughts on your thoughts. Someone sent me a copy of a discussion here that took place about me last week, and I was struck by just how much misinformation people seem eager to latch onto. I find it astonishing how reluctant people are to give credit to anyone viewed as “out of the norm.” Why do people leap to the assumption that my GPA, LSAT, or LOR must have been deficient in some way? There’s a peculiar trend of people spitting out baseless “guesses” at what my scores must have been, none of which agreed and all of which were a great deal lower (often insultingly so) than my actual numbers. Did it ever occur to anyone that I might have garnered a genuinely impressive GPA and LSAT score, and letters to match? That maybe I, like you guys, struggled to produce a really good statement and short essay and had to endure the same rigors as everyone else? I find it astonishing how narrow-minded people can be when it comes to anything or anyone they’re not used to.
Oy, I sound like a kvetchy Jewish grandmother. No hostility intended; the sheer hilarity of this place is enough to compensate for the jaundiced reaction my news got. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:47 PM Author: alcoholic mood do you have a driver's licence yet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231820) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:48 PM Author: Blathering queen of the night I'll bet he can spell license (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231830) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:55 PM Author: alcoholic mood You know what the worst part is? I was pretty darn sure I spelled it right. I stared for like 20 seconds before I went and put it into the spellchecker.
I suck at spelling. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:59 PM Author: Vigorous coral theater stage That's the British spelling. The Bond movie is "Licence to Kill". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231949) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:00 PM Author: alcoholic mood you know what's odd? I often spell things the British way. I usually write "grey" instead of "gray" and honour instead of honor. I have no idea why. I'm not British, nor have I spent significant time there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231963) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:05 PM Author: henna hilarious philosopher-king property I tend to spell "foetus" with the 'o', as any obnoxious prick trying to sound sophisticated should. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232021) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:57 PM Author: Histrionic cocky business firm fortuitous meteor nice try, but us pseudo-intellectuals spell it fœtus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233223) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 9:02 PM Author: offensive native coffee pot you must have been an a buggerer in London in a previous life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#236473) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 11:34 AM Author: Cracking peach nursing home organic girlfriend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930102) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:47 PM Author: self-absorbed liquid oxygen have you ever spoken to a girl? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231825) |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 7:42 PM Author: Soul-stirring Mediation Boistinker lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1520738) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:48 PM Author: mildly autistic chad old irish cottage i'll buy you beer if you pay me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231833) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:49 PM Author: flirting vibrant multi-billionaire Dude, you're giving out way too much information that can only serve to embarrass you later. These people aren't worth responding too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231838) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:50 PM Author: Puce haunted graveyard garrison If this is genuinely the person in question, I would strongly second this. He sounds like a cool person, but I'm sure he's aware that he's a big more high profile than the average law school applicant, and it might be best if he find usernames that aren't quite so easy to trace (in other words, ones that don't use chunks of your real name). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231852) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:51 PM Author: yapping gas station "I was raised by a single mother as one of fourteen children, many of them radically handicapped and necessitating massive medical expenses..."
Yeah, this is legit. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:54 PM Author: demanding magenta ape senate Actually...
http://discuss.princetonreview.com/tm.asp?m=6986959
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=meettheforum2&pagenum=1
Sorry in advance for the PR link.
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:50 PM Author: cerise set windowlicker Don't worry about these people. It's not worth your time. It is obvious from a bio I read about you that you have achieved a lot in your life and are very ambitious and intelligent.
Oh, you're really cute, too. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:55 PM Author: Orchid scourge upon the earth parlour Ped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233978) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:50 PM Author: demanding magenta ape senate People are just upset that someone who is just able to get a driver's license is also able to get into a better school than them. These are the people that talk of "admission cycles" and put off law school because they didn't get into a great school.
That said, stop being an attention whore. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:50 PM Author: Sick lemon heaven faggot firefighter anti-semite. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231862) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:56 PM Author: Avocado quadroon office "Oy, I sound like a kvetchy Jewish grandmother"
LOL
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:05 PM Author: misunderstood dog poop "I was raised by a single mother"
I don't think you can claim financial hardship when you were raised by Mia Farrow.
Otherwise, congrats on the Yale acceptance and good luck. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 11:33 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage (1) You admitted that your LSAT was in the low 160's.
(2) Yale rejected a 16 year old student last year BECAUSE the student was 16. Student in question had better stats than you.
The combination of these two factors reflects badly on Yale, not you. I think your stats are impressive, but it seems clear enough that Yale admitted you at least in part based on some factors other than merit.
As I stated in the previous thread, you sound like a good candidate for Duke/Cornell based on your merit. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 12:04 AM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate Subject: Are those numbers bull? I think he's denying them. I looked through all the threads and the kid himself didn't throw out those figures - people have said everything from 150 to 170, but none of it came from a reliable source. Any scores are speculation at this point, right? He seems to be suggesting that the real numbers are much higher (which makes sense if the Yale thing is real). And what the fuck ever happened to letters/statement/etc? Those aren't exactly a non-issue, and for all we know his stuff was stronger than other underaged applicants they got in the past.
Quit ragging on this guy. I think John Galt's got it - if he got into Yale, he earned it. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 4:29 AM Author: dull psychic new version On the PR board he posted that his LSAT was 90th percentile, so that's where everyone's getting the "LSAT in the low 160s" thing from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#239580) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:02 PM Author: Slate roast beef "I think John Galt's got it - if he got into Yale, he earned it."
You're far less cynical than I am. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 12:11 AM Author: Arousing clown Subject: Someone feeling a little jealous? Seriously - we dont know the details of Yale's deal with him, or any of his numbers, or what his writing's like. It's batshit crazy to say he should be at Duke without any of that info.
A team of Yale profs had to select him, so I'm guessing he's not an idiot. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 4:31 AM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: We know his #s from PR He posted them on PR, they were 3.9something and a low 160s LSAT.
That said, the people saying he doesn't deserve Yale are morons, all his extras make him more than deserving. |
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Date: December 14th, 2006 7:45 PM Author: Contagious knife Totally credited.
I'd like to see you guys go publish articles in the New York Times and give a speech at the UN.
And do it before you can drive!
Give me a break!
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:02 AM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage With a low 160's LSAT, it's not even clear that he should be at Duke, I was being generous.
Assuming his story is true, Yale accepted him for some bad reasons.
I don't think he's an idiot either, he's just not a Yale candidate. I say this w/out regard for his age, keep in mind I'm starting LS a week after I turn 19 (not quite as young, but I would have gone younger if possible, clearly). |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:45 AM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: How the hell did Yale accept him for bad reasons? The reasons for accepting him seem to be pretty damn valid to me. The ONLY thing hurting him was his relatively low LSAT score, and Yale looked beyond it because everything else in his app was so damn impressive.
He got into Yale, therefore he's a Yale candidate. Hell Yale has routinely accepted people with LSATs in the 150s, go look at their grids. Last year they accepted 12 people with 155-159 LSATs and 23 people with 160-164 LSATs, which translates to more than 10% of Yale admits having LSATs 164 and below. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 6:44 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage Here's my real issue with it, and I don't want to get too specific:
Last year, a candidate with more impressive credentials than this student (numerical and otherwise) was rejected at Yale and sent a letter that said, essentially, "You're too young to go to Yale."
The student was OLDER than this person.
Yale's willingness to accept people in the 155-159 range, while at first glimpse heartwarming, really reflects that it is a leader in nepotism and a shining star of the American aristocracy.
Along with Princeton, I think Yale should be flushed down the toilet. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 8:34 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: And what's the problem with that? I know about the other student in question, have spoken with her actually. Yes, she is older than Seamus, but you're forgetting another factor that Yale might have considered: she's a girl. Like it or not, Yale might have had concerns for her safety in that environment, especially in light of what had happened to that 15 year old at U of Alabama not long ago. Also, this is pure speculation on my part, but at Bard Seamus wasn't living oncampus but was being driven there everyday by his mother; if a similar situation is going to take place with law school, then that's another reservation taken care of (to my knowledge the other young student in question doesn't live with her parents).
Not to mention there's always the possibility that Yale has changed its stance regarding young students, or that Yale was using the "you're too young for Yale" thing as an excuse for another reason.
Once again, what's the problem with nepotism? College admissions isn't a meritocracy, or should it be a meritocracy. I don't know if Yale considered who his parents are in making their decision (IMO it doesn't matter if they did or not since he's obviously more than qualified anyway) but let's say they accepted him only because he's Woody Allen's son: what the hell is wrong with that?
If you want pure meritocracy in admissions, go apply to law school in the UK or Japan. Don't fuck up the American system. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 8:45 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I prefer not to discuss the particular situation of the other student in any detail.
Fortunately, it's not necessary, because I think you are essentially admitting that Yale probably has engaged in some nepotism with regards to admitting the new student.
The student is clearly near the bottom of Yale's class both numerically and in terms of other factors. You are aware of this but are being stubborn.
We can really just get to the point then which is whether or not a school Should engage in preferential admissions for students based on aristocrat status:
As an ideal, I believe no.
I also believe that this is contrary to ideals that have helped to perpetuate the general health of the U.S. economy.
As a practical matter, I don't think it is in Yale's best interests - that is to say that I don't think it is in the long-term interests of the faculty, students, or alumni to do this to any pronounced extent.
I think they hurt the employability of their graduates by doing so. Employers are very risk averse and if you insert a 20% contingent of idiots into a class, and make them hard to detect, employers are probably going to shop at Harvard.
I think the acceptance of federal financial assistance (in any manner) should be contingent upon a University employing a meritocratic admissions system. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:15 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: LMFAO, this post is hilarious "Fortunately, it's not necessary, because I think you are essentially admitting that Yale probably has engaged in some nepotism with regards to admitting the new student."
I'm not admitting to that; like I said earlier, I don't think it's relevant, he's more than qualified regardless of who his parents are.
"The student is clearly near the bottom of Yale's class both numerically and in terms of other factors."
How the hell is he at the bottom of Yale's class numerically and in other factors? The ONLY thing holding him down is his LSAT. His GPA is at or above the median, even though he majored in one of the hard sciences. His qualitative factors are superb, he's a certifiable genius with a 160+ IQ who has done tons of human rights work and god knows what else. I don't see any faults with anything in his app, so please explain to me how he's subpar in anything other than LSAT.
"We can really just get to the point then which is whether or not a school Should engage in preferential admissions for students based on aristocrat status"
Once again, do you know what an aristocracy is? It's pretty obvious that you don't based on how you're wrongly using that term in this thread.
"I also believe that this is contrary to ideals that have helped to perpetuate the general health of the U.S. economy."
FREEDOM is the ideal that has caused the U.S. to be as successful at is. Individuals, businesses, and organizations make their own economic and personal decisions and let the market sort everything out. In most cases, organizations will engage in meritocracy in deciding employees / who to admit / etc. in order to get the best people into the organization and make the organization the best. However, HOW ONE DEFINES *THE BEST* DIFFERS FROM SITUATION TO SITUATION. In the case of law school admissions, LSAT and GPA are not everything, nor should they be everything, for the BEST applicants are not necessarily those with the highest LSAT and GPA.
"As a practical matter, I don't think it is in Yale's best interests - that is to say that I don't think it is in the long-term interests of the faculty, students, or alumni to do this to any pronounced extent."
Hence why people with sub-165 LSATs make up only 10-15% of admitted students. That doesn't mean that those students are less deserving than those with higher LSATs who were rejected though -- Yale is just defining "the best" in different ways.
"I think they hurt the employability of their graduates by doing so. Employers are very risk averse and if you insert a 20% contingent of idiots into a class, and make them hard to detect, employers are probably going to shop at Harvard."
I wouldn't call a person with a 160+ IQ, 90th percentile LSAT score, and a 3.9x GPA in a hard science an idiot. Nor would employers.
"I think the acceptance of federal financial assistance (in any manner) should be contingent upon a University employing a meritocratic admissions system."
You still haven't explained why you think LSAT and GPA ar the only factors that should determine merit. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:34 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage Aristocrat:
"1. One of the aristocracy or people of rank in a community;"
Aristocracy:
"4. A group or class considered superior to others."
"4... (in a popular use) those who are regarded as superior to the rest of the community, as in rank, fortune, or intellect."
"2: the most powerful members of a society [syn: gentry]"
Not that it was relevant.
Along those lines, your argumentative style leaves something to be desired, please be more substantive or I'll cease the discussion.
"His GPA is at or above the median, even though he majored in one of the hard sciences. His qualitative factors are superb, he's a certifiable genius with a 160+ IQ who has done tons of human rights work and god knows what else."
(1) He graduated from a school that has pronounced grade inflation and that isn't particularly competitive, all but nullifying his GPA.
(2) I suspect his IQ was not submitted to the Adcom at Yale.
(3) His "human rights work" is really his MOTHER's human rights work that was spoon-fed to him, he did not make a meaningful personal contribution to it and he demonstrated no intitiative with regards to it. Though, whether or not this was clear after his admissions consultants got done with his application or not is arguable.
"sub-165 LSATs make up only 10-15% of admitted students."
He was probably the ONLY non minority student with a sub 165 LSAT admitted this year. Now, do you think it is a coincidence that he is also Woody Allen's son?
In any event, this argument is a non-starter and I'll admit that I don't really know what happened behind Yale's closed doors. Let's focus more on whether meritocracy is desirable, that's a more interesting discussion.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:49 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Heh "Aristocrat: "1. One of the aristocracy or people of rank in a community;" Aristocracy: "4. A group or class considered superior to others." "4... (in a popular use) those who are regarded as superior to the rest of the community, as in rank, fortune, or intellect." "2: the most powerful members of a society [syn: gentry]"
Once again, all of the above definitions apply equally to meritocratic systems. They're completely irrelevant, and your use of the terms "aristocrat" and "aristocracy" make no sense in this dicussion.
"1) He graduated from a school that has pronounced grade inflation and that isn't particularly competitive, all but nullifying his GPA."
I guess you missed the part about him majoring in a hard science. Last I checked, classes in the hard sciences and engineering are graded on forced curves, making them grade deflating majors more than anything else.
"(2) I suspect his IQ was not submitted to the Adcom at Yale."
Whether it was submitted or not, it could easily be inferred based on the fact that he started college when he was 11, which almost surely was in his app.
"(3) His "human rights work" is really his MOTHER's human rights work that was spoon-fed to him, he did not make a meaningful personal contribution to it and he demonstrated no intitiative with regards to it."
Ah, so I take it you were there with him and his mother and observed first hand that he wasn't doing anything meaningful, right?
"Though, whether or not this was clear after his admissions consultants got done with his application or not is arguable."
Why would someone like him need to hire admissions consultants?
1) The rich don't stay rich by being morons and blowing money on idiocy.
2) He's probably smarter than any admissions consultant out there.
3) Considering that he found PR and XOXO it should be easily inferred that he is quite capable of finding out information about the process himself.
"sub-165 LSATs make up only 10-15% of admitted students." He was probably the ONLY non minority student with a sub 165 LSAT admitted this year."
Wait, aren't you contradicting yourself here? First you said that Yale routinely takes nepotism and social class into account and lets in tons of people with low LSATs because of their rich families, now you say that he's the only non-minority who got accepted in spite of a "low" LSAT? If that's the case, then wouldn't Yale meet your definition of a meritocracy? |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:17 PM Author: Arousing clown Bard College is a decent top-30 school that isn't known for grade inflation or easy grading AFAIK. USNews has it ranked above schools like Barnard and Connecticut College. Nothing to shout about but nothing to scoff at either.
The fact that Yale doesn't exclusively select from HYP should indicate to you that they're LESS aristocratic, not moreso. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:21 PM Author: dull psychic new version I'd really like to know where grasmick got the idea that Bard is grade-inflating, let alone grade inflating in the hard sciences. Based on his posts it seems pretty obvious to me that he is suffering from penis envy and just wants to bring this kid down so he can feel better about himself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247758) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:23 PM Author: aquamarine tantric step-uncle's house degenerate well if all his classmates are dolts and science classes operate on a strict curve there, then it can be grade inflated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247793) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:31 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: True, except... ... that unlike the TTT grasmick goes to, Bard doesn't have a reputation for admitting dolts, especially Simon's Rock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247865) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:31 PM Author: Arousing clown Yeah, as far as I can tell Bard College is a decent top-30 with a solid rep. I had heard of it before this, and not in a bad way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247866) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:31 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage Edited to prevent outing someone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247870) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:42 PM Author: Arousing clown Subject: Bull. Anyone else think ElHombre's a little jealous?
You HAVENT SEEN THE KID'S RESUME. He talks about human rights work, but we don't know what kind of other professional work he's done.
The fraction of his EC's we happened to glean from his bio and PR post look pretty damn impressive, but I'm guessing the team of Yale profs who were impressed by his file saw a lot more than you or I have.
His exact LSAT score, his letters of rec., his resume, his employment history in other areas - with no justification or logical reasoning, you're assuming he has nothing going for him in each of these areas. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:48 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage If I were jealous, I wouldn't be jealous of him being admitted to Yale, got it?
Those weren't a fraction of his EC's. That was him putting his best foot forward and probably even exagerrating a little, just like anyone does.
The team of Yale professors saw that he was Woody Allen's son and this factored into their decision. How hard is that for you to see?
He almost certainly wouldn't have been admitted otherwise, and initially even GTO was admitting that implicitly when he hedged his argument by saying "So What" as far as lack of meritocracy.
There is perfectly logical reasoning.
NO amount of EC's (other than being a URM or receiving other special treatment), makes up for a 163-165/4.0 Bard college graduate at Yale.
That student would be an auto-reject if he were anyone else.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:08 PM Author: dull psychic new version "Those weren't a fraction of his EC's. That was him putting his best foot forward and probably even exagerrating a little, just like anyone does."
LOL, you think everyone tries to put their best foot forward and exaggerate on internet message boards? Dude, the only people who would do that are people without real lives who try to live through the internet. Seriously, what possible incentive could this guy have to exaggerate his accomplishments on PR?
"The team of Yale professors saw that he was Woody Allen's son and this factored into their decision."
I somehow find it hard to believe that the same Yale profs who rail against globalization, bash Bush, etc. are going to be wowed by Woody Allen and admit his son solely on that basis.
"NO amount of EC's (other than being a URM or receiving other special treatment), makes up for a 163-165/4.0 Bard college graduate at Yale. That student would be an auto-reject if he were anyone else."
Keep believing what you want, but although most admissions decisions are based on numbers, a decent # of people get in with relatively low stats, like the white male who got into Harvard with a 3.90/165 a couple of months ago or the 3.95/160 who got into Penn. Just because your personal history and ECs weren't good enough to overcome your TTT GPA from your TTT undergrad and mediocre LSAT doesn't mean you should bash this kid. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:15 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "Just because your personal history and ECs weren't good enough to overcome your TTT GPA from your TTT undergrad and mediocre LSAT doesn't mean you should bash this kid."
This argument is a personal attack, completely non-sequitor, and calls on nothing. You are an asshole, btw.
Do you agree or disagree that I can argue he shouldn't have been admitted without bashing him? Please provide evidence that I am bashing him? |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:19 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Pretty much every post you've made on this thread is evidence If you want specifics, there're your claims that his mommy did his thesis for him, that he hasn't done any work that's intellectually independent, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248325) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:19 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate ElHombre, people keep pointing out that you CANT argue where he "should" or "shouldn't" have gotten in because you have very little info to go on.
You have a GPA which puts him above a majority of Yale admits and ballpark LSAT figures higher than a substantial portion of Yale's incoming class every year.
Your other point, on his EC's, seems pretty hard to substantiate without ever having seen his resume. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:38 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage His LSAT of 163 puts him at about the 2nd %ile of White Yale admits in any given year.
His 'research' and other 'EC's are pretty standard on the face, with the exception of a coupl EC's that were handed to him based on his mother's affiliations. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:43 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate Where are you getting your racial numbers? I think those are incorrect.
Never mind the fact that guy has possibly a 165 or greater. A percentile in the low 90's could mean he got a 168 for all we know.
And is the fact that he's ABOVE the majority of white students in GPA mean nothing? It seems a relevant factor. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:51 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I think there might be some hope for you to understand that this is highly irregular.
First, almost all white YLS students had 3.7+ GPA's. Their median for whites is close enough to 3.9 to round. There is some fuzzy math in here, some intuitive math, and for that I am sorry.
His GPA could be 4.0 and it is irrelevant.
As everyone on this board knows, Yale is looking for the magic combo for white people...
3.8+, 170+, amazing EC's. Maybe you can slide with 4.0/168/amazing in a rare case.
Who knows, maybe his LSAT is higher than I am assuming?
GTO is kind of making me appear to be obsessed with this topic because he is denying something that is pretty clear and intentionally being a dick.
Originally I didn't want to talk about this particular student all that much, but GTO refused to have the discussion about meritocracy and its place in society.
Based on the facts that are known to everyone at this point, it really could have gone either way, so both my and GTO's affirmative claims are unsubstantiated.
In fact, maybe even the admissions officials at Yale don't know what they would have done under different circumstances, so this argument is irrelevant.
None-the-less, the situation is pretty rare and me taking the side that there may be something irregular doesn't reflect any underlying emotional state. I'm not sure why GTO is trying to suggest that - other than that he is a known asshole, but that's beside the point.
Maybe some other day we'll argue about meritocracy, which is where this convo SHOULD have gone. In the mean time, I've wasted too much of my life here.
Bye. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:43 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Source please? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248561) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:55 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage My inability to prove this doesn't mean that it isn't correct and common wisdom.
Get a fucking life GTO. You KNOW that I'm right about everything on here but you are just being a fucker at this point. You hedged your original argument because you knew that this played a role... |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 12:01 AM Author: Arousing clown So you spat a figure out of your ass and it's okay because it's "common wisdom"?
The truth is a substantial number of whites get in with LSATs under this kid's. Most of the white admits get in with GPAs much lower than his. Your final outburst of the average 3.7 being roundable to a 3.9+ is really, really hard to understand.
You have some sort of emotional investment here, or you'd realize a simple fact: This little teenager is more impressive than a substantial portion of Yale's class. It's "irregular" that he got in only insofar as it is highly irregular for ANYONE to get into Yale. |
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Date: January 13th, 2006 9:05 AM Author: violent digit ratio sex offender You're a jealous bitch.
Any LSAT over 160 before the age of twenty is pretty fucking impressive. The nature of the 16 typical years of education both increases reading comp and allows for frontal lobe maturation that just hasn't occurred by the age of sixteen.
If this were a 22 yr old with similar stats, you might be able to call nepotism. The fact is, if you think that score and GPA in science at that age isn't impressive, you are either jealous or a complete fucking moron.
So which one is it?
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:47 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Sour grapes "The kid never should have been admitted to Yale, that's pretty obvious."
Nope, it's pretty obvious to me that he should have been admitted.
"A student from a top 5 public last year with a 4.0 GPA in Biology, age 16, 172 LSAT, first name on a publication in a major scientific journal, normal middle class family, amazing employment at prominent labs, several prominent research fellowships, was rejected from Yale."
Literally 60% of applicants with stats like hers get REJECTED. While disappointing, it shouldn't be a shock.
"IH, 164 LSAT with a high GPA, Master's in Econ from YHS, major contributions to economics, wouldn't even have been considered at Yale."
He didn't apply, so how the hell would you know? He didn't think he had a chance at UT out of state either but he got in. Hell he didn't have much of a chance at that YHS masters degree program either since they only take 1 or 2 non-foreigners a year out of god knows how many applicants. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:53 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I will admit some personal offense to this situation. The kid who was rejected at Yale vs. this student being accepted personally offends me because I am fond of the former student.
So yes, I do have a personal emotional vestment in the sitaution that may have come through.
http://www.unicefusa.org/farrow/gallery/1e.jpg
In any event, this situation is all over on google and I don't feel like posting much more about the kid here, but I will say that you can easily mine more information about his EC's on the internet, and it is pretty clear that they aren't a particularly original or initiatory extrapolation of his mother's interests.
I'm going to go back and edit a post above, so please don't reference any information to it in your responses. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:04 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate You're using a Google search to try to guess what someone's resume looks like? Guess what, it makes sense that only the stuff he does with his famous parents show up on the net. Any work he's done on his own would not be considered newsworthy - so Google logic is faulty.
We have NO idea what other stuff he's done, what sort of less-flashy employment opportunities he's had on his own. Just because he mentioned humanitarian work doesn't mean that's all he's got.
I've gotta agree with the others, you're going on a tiny amount of information and coming to sweeping conclusions. You come off as angry, but I can't really see why you would have any reason to be.
Bottom line: The kid you were friends with happened to be - wait for it - LESS IMPRESSIVE than this one. The Yale Law professors looked at everything each one of them had, you haven't had that benefit. LSAT scores aren't everything. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:08 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/graphs.php
Put in Yale and get a fucking life. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:13 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate Subject: He falls right in the middle of the cluster. What's your point, exactly? He's right in line with two of the "accepted" dots already there on the LSAT side, and above a majority of them in GPA.
Am I missing something?
And that's a sampling of the accepted students who chose to flaunt it. We're not seeing the hefty chunk of admits that fall SUBSTANTIALLY below the 165 mark every year according to Yale's own charts. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:17 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage He falls right in the middle of a cluster of students who were rejected.
Yale takes race into account in admissions.
Here's my claim, and I'll make it easy:
this student wouldn't have been admitted to Yale had his heritage been different. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:36 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate Subject: False He falls HIGH above several of the admitted dots and surpasses the LSAT of at least one.
Did his heritage play a role? Maybe - he seems to flaunt the fact that he came from a multiracial family in interviews, so who knows if he played the "diversity" card. Would he have GOTTEN IN without that heritage? Absolutely. You have yet to present a single point that has made anyone think otherwise. A hefty portion of Yale's student body every year has lower LSATs, and he's above a large majority of admits in GPA.
All of the points about EC's and hand-holding are really difficult to make without actually seeing this guy's resume.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:12 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: I know why he's angry "You come off as angry, but I can't really see why you would have any reason to be."
In case you're unfamiliar with grasmick's background, his profile is similar to the Yale admit in question: he started college at 15 and is graduating this year at 19. However, he went to a rancid TTT and ended up with only a 3.6 GPA and a 167 LSAT, yet despite this applied to places like Yale because he thought starting college at 15 and finishing at 19 would be an accomplishment worthy of overlooking his relatively low GPA and relatively low LSAT. He got rejected, and now he's irrationally bashing Seamus because it's obvious that the Yale adcomms felt Seamus's accomplishments were better, since he got accepted. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:16 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate Funny to hear that ElHombre has an LSAT right in line with Woody Allen's wunderkind, too. So you have two or three LSAT points on him, and a much lower GPA - feel happy for yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248293) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:26 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage (1) My GPA is 3.7.
(2) I work in one of the top three labs in the world for my field. yes, this lab is situated at a TTT UG.
(3) No, I didn't apply to Yale, didn't want to go. Would have liked Harvard but didn't expect to get in so didn't apply.
(4) I was accepted at one (and only one :( T14 but listed it as a waitlist on LSN in order to retain some anonymity.
(5) I agree he has some superior "accomplishments" than me at least to the extent that his GPA is higher than mine and he went to a better UG. We're not really here to talk about me, but I do have one (a single) "accomplishment" that is pretty significant in the realm of research. It easily could have gotten me into any lab/Ph.D. program even tangentially related to the topic.
(6) I do take some personal offense at the situation, but as I said before, it's more to do with Yale explicitly rejecting someone last year with better qualifications due to being young.
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:09 PM Author: Slate roast beef "he's a certifiable genius with a 160+ IQ"
...Leaving one to wonder what's up with the LSAT score (if it is 90th percentile). Those with high IQs have a great advantage on the LSAT. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:06 PM Author: Slate roast beef "Yale might have had concerns for her safety in that environment..."
Yeah, right.
"Once again, what's the problem with nepotism?"
(1) Fails to optimize socially beneficial outcomes.
(2) Entrenches inequality. |
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Date: January 13th, 2006 1:15 AM Author: clear depressive site don had better numbers and was older than the kid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#4803737) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 12:34 PM Author: Spruce stage prole go fuck yourself you cunt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#241552) |
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Date: January 13th, 2006 1:17 AM Author: Supple chrome state shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#4803748) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:48 PM Author: Olive Diverse Sandwich Weed Whacker Why didn't you accept at Duke? That would have been suh-weet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231831) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:48 PM Author: razzle big-titted voyeur well on the 2% chance that this isnt flame. I genuinely feel sorry for you and the miserable lonely life ahead of you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231836) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:56 PM Author: mischievous dysfunction immigrant 2% seems a little high. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231920) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:57 PM Author: Thriller tan jewess I'm frankly astounded that people responded to this as if it were legitimate.
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Date: April 19th, 2004 8:58 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: I somehow get the feeling that this guy isn't going to lead a miserable and lonely life. Quite the opposite actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#236451) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:56 PM Author: Vigorous coral theater stage rule 1 of internet message boards: don't get upset, ever
rule 2 of internet message boards: don't write out long, tortuously self-analytical posts about how you've managed to rise above the impulse to get upset |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 12:57 PM Author: Avocado quadroon office If this is real, Id take the advice of other people here and keep a low profile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231933) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:01 PM Author: henna hilarious philosopher-king property Okay, point taken. Just wanted to respond. I'll pick a quieter username and be more discreet if I want to post regularly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231966) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:04 PM Author: Avocado quadroon office I understand the need to respond when people flame you, but really, its probably better to just let it go (it took me a while to learn this lesson too), especially if people already know your real name. Its not a good idea to give out personal info to strangers on the internet when they know what school you are going to (some of these people may be your classmates or attend the same school as you over the next three years) and you have a higher profile than the average applicant.
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:07 PM Author: Puce haunted graveyard garrison I would strongly second what funshine says. People here aren't always assholes, but giving them personal information gives them a lot of material to work with. Congratulations on Yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232038) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:09 PM Author: Avocado quadroon office Yep, especially in a class of less than 200 kids, when some of them post on this board or lurk here, its a good idea to keep a low profile if youre already recognizable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232063) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:57 PM Author: slippery lime center really tough guy why keep a low profile? who the fuck cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248685) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:59 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Agreed, within a week or so no one would even remember this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248705) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 12:03 AM Author: Arousing clown Subject: And the general consensus seems to be flattering to him. There's been one angry guy arguing you got in via nepotism, and the rest of the people saying you got in because you earned it. Presumably any sane person is gonna agree with the majority.
Good luck, kid. Use your gifts wisely. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:00 PM Author: Avocado quadroon office Isn;t he one of 15 kids, not 14? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231962) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:43 PM Author: hairraiser house-broken therapy How come he hasn't answered your question? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232361) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:12 PM Author: boyish parlor tattoo If that is true, maybe he doesn't consider Soon-Yi (or however you spell her name) his sister anymore, now that she is his stepmom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232671) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:31 PM Author: rambunctious public bath death wish There seems to be a mystery here. They keep saying 14 kids, but they only list 13. Maybe Seamus does not want to go there, or perhaps, he can straighen it out:
"Mia has 14 children: twins Matthew Phineas [1] and Sascha Villiers [2], and Fletcher [3] (all with Previn), Satchel O'Sullivan Farrow (with Allen), (now called Seamus)[4], Soon-Yi Previn [5], Lark Song Previn [6], Summer Song (called Daisy) Previn [7], Moses Amadeus Farrow (called. Misha Farrow, adopted with Allen) [8], Dylan O'Sullivan Farrow (called Eliza, adopted with Allen) [9], Isaiah Farrow [10], Tam Farrow [11], Keili-Shea Farrow [12], Gabriel Wilk Farrow [13]. Tam has recently passed away of a heart ailment."
http://mia-farrow.com/bio.html (Notice only 13 are listed, one of whom is deceased)
Also, check out the family tree:
http://www.daniellsfamily.co.uk/familytree/dat12.htm
(Notice only 13 children listed, one of whom is deceased)
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:02 PM Author: Mewling Disturbing Kitchen People Who Are Hurt But what about OPRAH? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#231976) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:17 PM Author: mischievous dysfunction immigrant dude, if this is legit. click "edit" and delete all the personal info that you've posted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232130) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:20 PM Author: mischievous dysfunction immigrant good work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232153) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:21 PM Author: henna hilarious philosopher-king property Happy to oblige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232170) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:42 PM Author: Avocado quadroon office Good luck with Yale
If you want to post on other threads and just chat with people, it is probably best to get a new username. There can actually be some interesting discussions here.
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:22 PM Author: Shaky vivacious meetinghouse damn there was personal info? i missed it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232175) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:22 PM Author: demanding magenta ape senate All the personal info in his post is also in the bio I linked to. Editing his posts would only reduce how whiny he sounds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232176) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 1:42 PM Author: Thirsty pisswyrm Aren't you way to busy to be posting on a TTT message board? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232354) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:10 PM Author: marvelous sound barrier You know, if this kid has his shit together enough at age 16 to get into Yale law, god bless him. When I was sixteen I was smoking pot under a bridge and trying not to get hit by a car as I stumbled to the convenience store for munchies. And I'm smarter than the vast majority of people. I'm grateful that I had a normal, irresponsible adolescence and a lot of fun at college, but if somebody is smart enough to skip being a kid and finish college when he's barely old enough to drive, he should do it if it makes him happy.
So, good for you, Seafaring. Have fun at Yale. At least you're a year behind me so I won't be competing with you for clerkships.
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:12 PM Author: Curious Black Woman Market Are you Woodie Allen's kid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232672) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:18 PM Author: Arousing clown Subject: this kid is pretty fucking impressive. Yeah we all get the urge to respond to flames, but you'd be wise to just let 'em roll off your back. Stooping to respond is overkill - trust me, most of these people are just jealous of you.
I say more power to this one. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:23 PM Author: Swollen violent sanctuary Yo! Xoxohth is messageboard of the stars! Awesome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#232774) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:40 PM Author: misunderstood dog poop woody allen's been completely overrated since bananas. i don't think he even qualifies as a star anymore.
Same thing with Spike Lee and Do the Right Thing.
EDIT: Malcolm X was also pretty good. |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:47 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank I'm glad he's into video games (and that he makes an attractive nuisance out of himself on online bulletin boards). That's what 16 year olds should be doing, and it makes him seem like an ultra-bright-yet-normal person, rather than some fruity eccentric Bobby Fischer kind of guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233088) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 1:34 PM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#252703) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:57 PM Author: Dashing fluffy dopamine I'm surprised to see the skepticism on this thread. In case there is any doubt, a 16-year old *is* joining the Yale class of 2007. His age, along with some of the other details mentioned on this thread, is irrelevant; he has worked--and earned--his way to Yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233225) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 2:59 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank Here here! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233273) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:07 PM Author: cerise set windowlicker he's also super-cute, and, unfortunately, illegal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233403) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:09 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank He's probably had a hell of a lot more than you (or any of us), actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233433) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:10 PM Author: cerise set windowlicker :(
My conquests are, admittedly, limited |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:13 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank One of those links said that he's had several girlfriends in college. Imagine having college girlfriends before you hit 13...man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233482) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:37 PM Author: cerise set windowlicker yeah, i read that. apparently the college he was at was made specifically for young scholars though, so maybe they were his age (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233795) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:39 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank Genius college? I dunno. I think he went to Bard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233814) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:52 PM Author: cerise set windowlicker yeah, but it's some sub-sector of bard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233939) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 4:25 PM Author: talented station useless brakes I assume this is Simon's Rock of Bard. I went to summer camp with a guy (probably 15) who was a college student there. Not dumb, not brilliant, really fucking arrogant. Got a lot of tang. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#234333) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 9:04 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank According to quotes attributed to him on the gaming age article, that could certainly be him :)
Guess he'd be a junior at that time. Was this last year? |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:53 AM Author: talented station useless brakes No, different person. This was about 10 years ago. I'm just saying that the kid's school has had this program for years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#241220) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:24 PM Author: Pearly impertinent locale fanboi 16 is legal in some states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233651) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 3:44 PM Author: Arousing clown Subject: Wrong. He's a Bard College grad, I've got friends who know of him there - they started a program for people starting college early after he arrived there, unless I'm mistaken. I think he helped to create it or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#233856) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 9:03 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Wow, that's pretty damn impressive if true Long overdue IMO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#236481) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:44 AM Author: Crawly base Yeah- Simon's Rock College of Bard or something. It's basically a prep school for pseudo-intellectual misfits that masquerades as a college- I know people who went there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#241127) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 9:02 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Don't sweat it The same idiots posted similar stuff about me as well, after a day or so when it was proven legit and I kept posting the idiots stopped.
No need to even change your name IMO, most of these guys probably won't remember this a week from now, and if they do they probably won't care if you're still posting and contributing to the board. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:05 AM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage You still don't get it GTO - the student was admitted to Yale with sub-par stats due to his situational factors. (i.e. being rich).
That's the issue. Does it have anything to do with him?
No.
However, it does reinforce my long-held belief that Yale is a TTT. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:51 AM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: I do get it, grasmick Obviously he was admitted to Yale with "sub-par" stats due to situational factors; whether his family's wealth is one of the factors they considered is debatable, however even if that was the deciding factor, what's wrong with that? It's because of rich families that all the poor people are able to get financial aid.
Anyway, considering that last year Yale accepted 35 people with LSATs 164 and below, and considering that those 35 people make up over 10% of the total # of accepted students, I wouldn't go so far as to claim his stats were subpar. It's not like he had a 140 or 150. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 6:49 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "however even if that was the deciding factor, what's wrong with that?"
The same thing that is wrong with any aristocratic system.
"Anyway, considering that last year Yale accepted 35 people with LSATs 164 and below, and considering that those 35 people make up over 10% of the total # of accepted students, I wouldn't go so far as to claim his stats were subpar. It's not like he had a 140 or 150."
The fact that Yale accepts a BUNCH of students based on non-meritocratic factors only serves to reinforce my point that this practice is problematic. Yale is a TTT. Long live Harvard. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 8:55 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Do you even know what an aristocracy is? "The same thing that is wrong with any aristocratic system."
Please explain to me how a PRIVATE NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION accepting an individual into a degree program is the same as an aristocratic system.
For that matter, do you even know what an aristocracy is? Doesn't look like it based on your analogy.
"The fact that Yale accepts a BUNCH of students based on non-meritocratic factors only serves to reinforce my point that this practice is problematic."
When did Yale (or ANY private American university for that matter) ever claim to be about meritocracy? Also, please explain to me how a faulty test like the LSAT in any way correlates with actual merit.
FYI, Harvard engages in the same practice as Yale, it's just that Yale is upfront about it by releasing grids.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:14 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "For that matter, do you even know what an aristocracy is?"
This is a semantic argument since you knew what I meant, but just to make you look like an ass you should consult a dictionary in order to determine that aristocracy can be applied to non-governmental systems.
"When did Yale (or ANY private American university for that matter) ever claim to be about meritocracy?"
Your fallacy here is in suggesting that an institution must claim to be something good in order to be something bad.
"Also, please explain to me how a faulty test like the LSAT in any way correlates with actual merit."
The LSAT is an effective measure of factors that most people would equate with "merit".
"FYI, Harvard engages in the same practice as Yale, it's just that Yale is upfront about it by releasing grids."
Not to the same extent. They've made some fairly famous events out of rejecting very high profile individuals.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:36 PM Author: dull psychic new version "This is a semantic argument since you knew what I meant, but just to make you look like an ass you should consult a dictionary in order to determine that aristocracy can be applied to non-governmental systems."
You completely miss the point yet again. I'm not saying that aristocracy cannot be applied to non-governmental systems, I'm saying that there is no American aristocracy and therefore your entire argument is bogus. Hell, Woody Allen and Mia Farrow represent meritocracy more than anything else.
"The LSAT is an effective measure of factors that most people would equate with "merit"."
Yes, and a 90th percentile LSAT score shows that someone DOES have a whole lot of merit, especially when you consider that 90th percentile falls into the 162 to 167 (I think) score band, indicating that there is no distinction between those scores when applied to an individual due to standard error (error that can only be reduced by taking the test multiple times).
"Not to the same extent. They've made some fairly famous events out of rejecting very high profile individuals."
One exception does not disprove the rule. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:52 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "Hell, Woody Allen and Mia Farrow represent meritocracy more than anything else. "
Perhaps THEY do, meanwhile, their SON does not. I maintain that he is a good candidate for Georgetown given his international interests. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:09 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: LOL So he's a good candidate for Georgetown because he has international interests but not a good candidate for Yale? You do realize that the current dean of Yale Law is trying to make YLS more global and increase the focus on international law / international relations / global studies, right?
If anything, his international interests make him even more desirable for Yale. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 2:25 PM Author: rambunctious public bath death wish His family also seems to have connections with Yale. Some of his siblings attended Yale undergrad. including Matthew Previn who went on to become a lawyer. http://www.nepotista.com/news/3.html Mia's ex-husband Andre Previn also appears to be well connected with Yale's music department. Just google Andre Previn and Yale.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 5:37 PM Author: dull psychic new version To my knowledge, the law school doesn't interact much with those other departments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#245200) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 6:14 PM Author: rambunctious public bath death wish You may be right; however, if the family contributes to the school because of these relationships -- it might be taken into consideration. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#245592) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 7:24 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: It should be taken into consideration If they don't give preferential admissions to donors it would be a shame IMO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#246239) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 8:52 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I think this decision needs to be done case-by-case, but the bottom line is that all schools should strive towards meritocracy.
Some (Harvard, Stanford) strive more than others (Princeton, Yale).
In any event, when someone is admitted based on factors other than merit I am going to perceive them as a "Yale Admit**" not as a "Yale Admit", and later on I will perceive them as a "Yale Grad** " etc.
I think there is quite a burden on your part to demonstrate why the general public shouldn't perceive such situations in this manner.
In any event, I personally find the practice to be unsavory and it will negatively affecty my impression of Yale. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:00 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: LMFAO, Stanford strives for meritocracy more than HY? Are you fucking kidding me? Go look up Stanford's medians/75/25 and go look up Stanford on lawschoolnumbers. Stanford emphasizes "soft" factors more than any other school in the trinity (or even CCN for that matter).
You could argue that you can still be meritocratic yet still emphasize soft factors. However, the ONLY reason you're bashing Yale for accepting this kid is his LSAT -- if he had a 173 LSAT instead of a 163 (or whatever) this wouldn't even be an issue. Since Seamus is more than qualified for Yale in every other objective or subjective measurement, yet you're still bashing Yale for accepting him, it's clear that you believe that admission should be based solely on LSAT and GPA and nothing else, otherwise you would not be deriding Yale for not being meritocratic because they had the audacity to take 35 people with sub-165 scores. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:23 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "However, the ONLY reason you're bashing Yale for accepting this kid is his LSAT..."
This was just the easiest case to make, I think his "soft" factors suck as well.
"Since Seamus is more than qualified for Yale in every other objective or subjective measurement,"
Wrong. His subjective factors are weak for Yale. Weak subjective factors + low LSAT = rejection.
"it's clear that you believe that admission should be based solely on LSAT and GPA and nothing else"
No need to infer, I'm right here. I think soft factors for admission are fine. I don't think this kid's soft factors are impressive. I see a lot of resume fluff that was spoon-fed to him. Resume fluff is bad enough when you hunt it down yourself.
"otherwise you would not be deriding Yale for not being meritocratic because they had the audacity to take 35 people with sub-165 scores."
Again, no need to infer, I'm right here. I'm deriding Yale for lacking meritocracy in its admissions. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:30 PM Author: dull psychic new version "This was just the easiest case to make, I think his "soft" factors suck as well. His subjective factors are weak for Yale. Weak subjective factors + low LSAT = rejection."
Please explain how the hell his soft factors are weak. IMO those soft factors are stronger than the soft factors of anyone else from this board (that I know of at least).
"I don't think this kid's soft factors are impressive. I see a lot of resume fluff that was spoon-fed to him. Resume fluff is bad enough when you hunt it down yourself."
Please explain to me
1) how his accomplishments are fluff 2) how you know they were spoon-fed to him
Since all you've done is irrationally bash this kid without getting into any sort of specifics, it's pretty obvious that you're jealous that there is someone out there who did the same things you did but much better and got into a much better school than you. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:37 PM Author: aquamarine tantric step-uncle's house degenerate Hey GTO, did you know other people who graduated, are graduating from Cornell at or before 20?
I know of 4 including you. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:52 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: I don't know of any by name However, in one of those Dear Uncle Ezra columns at http://ezra.cornell.edu from last year, Ezra said that there were several students at commencement who were 18 and 19 last year, so I'm sure it's a lot more than 4 (there were a lot more than 4 just at last year commencement). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247465) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:58 PM Author: aquamarine tantric step-uncle's house degenerate That's pretty surprising, I would've thought it to be relatively rare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247523) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:02 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Well, it still is relatively rare After all, there are what, 4000 students in each graduating class? If 10 people under the age of 20 graduate each year, that's still only 0.25% of the graduating class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247554) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:04 PM Author: aquamarine tantric step-uncle's house degenerate 3000something. I meant that whenever you hear about people graduating college at age 18 or whatever, they usually went to a local school and lived at home.
I am doubting that most of the kids at cornell who did this were townies. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:13 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: That's definitely true I think the difference is that people who graduate at 18 or whatever who go to local schools get a lot more publicity than those who travel -- they're usually a rarity in their town, usually the youngest person to attend or graduate from that school, and so you don't just have articles in the campus paper but also articles in the town paper and the like. Such articles are very easily accessible on the internet, so it's no surprise that those individuals get more attention than people who finish places like Cornell at 18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247664) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 9:28 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank And not to take away from GTO's accomplishments, but graduating from college in 3 years (dunno how long it took GTO) to finish at 20 isn't really indicative of anything in itself. Any student who is focused on their major and taking a good unit load and/or summer classes could do so. There was a girl who used to be a figure skater training for the olympics in one of my classes - she graduated after the summer of her second year. Not brilliant, either. Just incredibly focused and disciplined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#258057) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 4:13 AM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: I finished in two years Also I completely agree with your post, it really doesn't involve much work at all. I thought it was more difficult taking a normal load at my high school than taking 70+ credits a year in college. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#261090) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:49 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I'm not irrationally bashing him at all. It is a factual statement that his "EC's" are fluff...
look, the kid's only noteworthy EC's are his work in Africa which was clearly just a minor branch off from Mia Farrow's work on the same. His thesis is on, "US policy on African petro-states," which, again, isn't exactly a case of his intellectual apple falling far from the tree.
Meanwhile, there is a student here at my school who is the son of a famous actor. The student also happens to be one hell of an engineering student and is on his way to MIT for grad school.
Do you see the differences between this and the situation described above?
Clearly, a lot of what this kid has done so far was hand-holding, which one would expect for someone who is 16. Do I think he will go on to do great things? Who knows.
The point is that he hasn't yet, and Yale is looking for students with a proven record of success.
I do NOT think that Yale is the place for someone who has never done any intellectually independent work.
In fact, at my University, his thesis could have been disqualified due to not being sufficiently independent from the research interests of those who assisted him with it.
I agree he's a smart kid, he may be smarter than me (not really in a position to evaluate), and if I were going to be jealous of him his Yale admission would be the least of my concerns.
My emotion is best expressed as disgust with Yale's admissions policies and a generalized disappointment with an institution that is in a position to set a much better example than they have done.
This has a significant negative impression on my perception of Yale. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:52 PM Author: aquamarine tantric step-uncle's house degenerate I think you are really overhyping what it takes to get into Yale. You don't need a nobel prize, a 3.8 175 from a decent school will give you a pretty good shot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247470) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:02 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage Oh, no, I realize that. This student had, it appears, 3.95/163 from Bard and his EC's were not particularly impressive. Geo-political economics research in Africa through a UNICEF affiliation might have made the difference is what GTO is arguing, but I am arguing that the research in Africa was substantially similar to that of his Mother and not particularly independent. I think it's solid enough to get him into Georgetown even with the low LSAT, but I don't think that it would have been enough to get him into YHS, C, etc. if he weren't the son of Woody Allen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247559) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:10 PM Author: aquamarine tantric step-uncle's house degenerate Okay. I don't really care at all, but a 163 must've been pretty dissappointing to him. If you meet him and want to feel better about yourself, constantly bring this up.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:17 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: People with similar stats have gotten in to YHSCCN etc. A couple of months ago a 3.9/165 got into Harvard, and a 3.95/160 got into Penn and Berkeley. Invisible Hand got into UT out of state with a 3.7/164. Hell I personally got into Penn with a 3.9/165. All of us were white males coming from humble origins.
Is it rare? Hell yes. Unheard of? Hell no. Even if he wasn't the son of someone famous, I have no doubt that Seamus would've been admitted to Yale with his accomplishments; his lineage is just gravy for Yale. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 8:33 AM Author: cerise set windowlicker i don't get the impression that woody pulled any strings for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#250161) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 1:47 PM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#252895) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:24 PM Author: rambunctious public bath death wish I'm not sure that she does any "research," but she is a UNICEF goodwill ambassador/Special Representative who has traveled to Africa to visit Angola and Nigeria. She took Seamus with her on at least two occasions in 2001 and 2002.
http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/0/b0a9f15d5cb8a2e585256c0c004c952b?OpenDocument |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:59 PM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#256335) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 9:58 PM Author: dull psychic new version "I'm not irrationally bashing him at all. It is a factual statement that his "EC's" are fluff"
You still haven't explained how they're fluff. They seem solid to me.
What were YOUR ECs, grasmick?
"look, the kid's only noteworthy EC's are his work in Africa which was clearly just a minor branch off from Mia Farrow's work on the same."
Once again, you know this how?
"His thesis is on, "US policy on African petro-states," which, again, isn't exactly a case of his intellectual apple falling far from the tree."
I take it that you reached this conclusion only after reading his thesis, correct?
"Meanwhile, there is a student here at my school who is the son of a famous actor. The student also happens to be one hell of an engineering student and is on his way to MIT for grad school. Do you see the differences between this and the situation described above?"
I don't see any difference -- both individuals, from what I know of them, seem to be very intelligent and hard working who will do fine at MIT and Yale respectively.
"Clearly, a lot of what this kid has done so far was hand-holding, which one would expect for someone who is 16."
It's annoying how you continue to throw around phrases like this without substantiating them. Care to explain what proof you have that most of what he has done so far was due to hand-holding? Do you think that his mommy helped him cheat on the IQ test and did his homework for him in college and took his exams for him?
"Do I think he will go on to do great things? Who knows. The point is that he hasn't yet, and Yale is looking for students with a proven record of success."
Yes, Yale is looking for students with a proven record of success, which is why they accepted him. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:14 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "What were YOUR ECs, grasmick?"
This is irrelevant because I wasn't admitted to Yale, nor should I have been.
However, they happened to be extremely strong.
"Once again, you know this how?"
His thesis is on the EXACT SAME SUBJECT as his mother is a well-known advocate in... what more evidence is necessary?
Based on its title it is a summary thesis. I'll have to get ahold of it. As far as the UNICEF post, he admitted as much so far as his mom helping him to get it.
"I don't see any difference -- both individuals, from what I know of them, seem to be very intelligent and hard working who will do fine at MIT and Yale respectively."
There's a clear difference.
"Do you think that his mommy helped him cheat on the IQ test and did his homework for him in college and took his exams for him?"
You are intentionally making bad arguments. Stop.
I argued that his mother assisted him with his EC's. I think his GPA is as strong as anyone could expect, but in itself it is not enough to explain the discrepancies elsewhere.
"Yes, Yale is looking for students with a proven record of success, which is why they accepted him."
The irony is that there is a Woody Allen quote that summarizes this entire situation - 90% of success is showing up.
This kid's "success" has mostly been "showing up". Got it? |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:29 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Ah, so it's sour grapes after all. "This is irrelevant because I wasn't admitted to Yale, nor should I have been."
Looks like this isn't just a case of penis envy, but also anger that someone with the same hook as you, but better, applied and destroyed the only unique thing about your app.
"His thesis is on the EXACT SAME SUBJECT as his mother is a well-known advocate in... what more evidence is necessary?"
With that logic, it's pretty clear why you weren't admitted to Yale. Yeah, his mother is a well-known advocate in that subject... what's your point?
Where the hell do you think people get inspiration from, if not their parents? It's obvious that his mother inspired his thesis topic, that doesn't mean that she wrote it for him. Considering his high GPA and high IQ, he probably wouldn't want her to write it for him since he would likely get a higher grade writing it himself.
"I argued that his mother assisted him with his EC's."
And what exactly is wrong with that? That doesn't diminish the actual work that HE has done. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:37 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "Looks like this isn't just a case of penis envy, but also anger that someone with the same hook as you, but better, applied and destroyed the only unique thing about your app."
GTO, why are you being an asshole instead of arguing the real issue?
I'm done with this discussion, however,
do you really think that it is clear cut that this student would have otherwise been admitted?
I think that issue is seriously in question, and I think you know it... |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:54 PM Author: dull psychic new version "GTO, why are you being an asshole instead of arguing the real issue?"
What exactly do you think is the issue here? All I see here is you irrationally bashing this kid.
"I'm done with this discussion, however, do you really think that it is clear cut that this student would have otherwise been admitted?"
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:59 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage How is saying:
(1) His work wasn't particularly independent.
(2) Many of his opportunities were handed to him.
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(3) He wouldn't (if not for another circumstance) have been admitted to Yale with a 163 LSAT.
Bashing him, given the facts that...
(1) His work wasn't particularly independent.
(2) Many of his opportunities were handed to him.
and
(3) He wouldn't (if not for another circumstance) have been admitted to Yale with a 163 LSAT.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:03 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: It's bashing him because those AREN'T facts You STILL haven't posted any sort of proof showing that his mommy did his thesis for him or any of the other absurd claims you've made. You're not arguing a point anymore, you're just irrationally bashing this kid just because he's better than you in pretty much everything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248178) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:09 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate Right. Where's the idea that his thesis is done by anyone but himself coming from?
I'm really having trouble buying the idea that he's had his hand held by by an ACTRESS through organic chem and shit. He's got an impressive record, why the urge to detract? |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:14 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I didn't say that the thesis was done by someone else.
I said that it isn't a particularly independent scholarly work and isn't very far detached from experiences that he had in the normal course of growing up.
I agree he has an impressive record, and think he would make a good student at GULC.
With a 163 LSAT, however, (and we don't even know that it is that high ;), we have to wonder why he was admitted to Yale. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:25 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Have you ever engaged in scholarly research? "I didn't say that the thesis was done by someone else. I said that it isn't a particularly independent scholarly work and isn't very far detached from experiences that he had in the normal course of growing up."
In many cases the BEST scholarly research is drawn from personal experiences and in topics the scholar enjoys. I still don't see why you think that his mother possibly inspiring him at an early age to be interested in American/African relations makes his research any less independent than that of a researcher who became interested in his topic because of some other influence.
"With a 163 LSAT, however, (and we don't even know that it is that high ;), we have to wonder why he was admitted to Yale."
163 is in the same score band as 167, and for all intents of purposes those scores are equivalent for an individual who has only taken the test once because of margin of error. Considering his very high GPA, tough undergrad, tough major, and superb ECs, it's not a surprise that Yale took him. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:16 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: He's detracting because he's jealous ElHombre, aka grasmick, also started college early like Seamus, at age 15, but ended up going to a TTT and only finished with a 3.6 GPA. He applied to reach schools like Yale even though he had a relatively low GPA and relatively low LSAT (167), hoping that his soft factors would give him a boost, but got rejected.
Now he's irrationally bashing Seamus because not only did Seamus start college early and finish early, but he did it with a higher GPA at a better college in a very tough major, and at a younger age, and not only that, he got into Yale while grasmick didn't. It's pretty clear that grasmick is attacking Seamus's family and LSAT score in an attempt to not make himself feel inferior. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:33 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage Again:
(1) I have a 3.7 GPA.
(2) I didn't apply YHS, Columbia, NYU, Chicago. Didn't expect or deserve to get in to any of those.
(3) I did get rejected one place (and quasi-rejected at a couple), but also received a few nice acceptances and scholarship offers.
(4) I'm not attacking Seamus's family, you are imaging that. What I'm saying is simple - students with 163 LSATs usually are not admitted to Yale. Do you agree or disagree?
I am only perpetuating this argument because you are being stubborn. I stated a LONG time ago that a more interesting discussion was the role of merit in admissions, but you instead chose to be an asshole and argue about this particular student. It's an argument I can win because any objective observor realizes that a sub 165 LSAT for a white person is kiss of death at Yale. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:38 PM Author: dull psychic new version "What I'm saying is simple - students with 163 LSATs usually are not admitted to Yale. Do you agree or disagree?"
You're missing the point: people with 3.75+/170+ are ALSO not usually admitted to Yale, go look at their grid! Hell almost half of 3.75+/175+ people are rejected.
Does having a higher LSAT improve chances of Yale admission? Yes. Does having a "low" LSAT eliminate the chances of a Yale admission. No, as demonstrated by the grids.
"It's an argument I can win because any objective observor realizes that a sub 165 LSAT for a white person is kiss of death at Yale."
Seamus is a white person who got into Yale with a sub-165 LSAT, therefore your hypothesis has been proven false. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:40 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate "...usually are not admitted to Yale"
Wrong. Students with 180's are turned down from Yale every year. Students with 150's are accepted every year. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:54 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage "Wrong. Students with 180's are turned down from Yale every year. Students with 150's are accepted every year."
I said usually.
In any event, most of the admits under 165 are minorities or have some sort of special status.
I'm done with this convo because I'm right and GTO knows it. The only reason he's still here is because I killed him on the aristocracy definition before and he's trying to get me back. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 1:54 PM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig Just so you know, you didn't in my opinion "kill him on the aristocracy definition." I think you completely missed the point, in fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#252990) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:10 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I never said that his mom did his thesis for him. What I said is that his thesis appears to be substantially derived from "public service" work that he did because his mom was doing it.
It's equivalent to a normal kid writing a thesis about his experiences volunteering at a homeless shelter or working at the school where his mom worked tutoring students.
Can't you see that?
What has he done other than simply "showing up"? |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:30 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Once again... ... have you read his thesis? If not, how can you possibly claim that it's substantially derived from his mom's public service work?
Do you even know what a thesis is? A thesis involves *ACTUAL SCHOLARLY RESEARCH.* You can't write a thesis about volunteering at a homeless shelter; a thesis has to contribute something new to the field by building on currently existing knowledge. Even if he did mention his own African experiences (a big if), his thesis would still have to include a substantial research component that involves real work. Even the most rancid TTTs, like the one you attend, would require such research. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:37 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage I've read plenty of theses. There are two types of theses - theses that make a claim, and theses that summarize. The latter are the standard for UG and for Master's students many places.
Based on the title of his thesis, it is a summary. Of course, we don't know - perhaps it makes some suggestions or whatever - but the point still stands.
A white student with a 163 LSAT being admitted to Yale is irregular enough to bring into question whether there was some sort of irregularity. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:45 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate You're arguing COMPLETELY based on an assumption here. The paper sounds more like the vehicle for a policy proposal than a "summary."
He's at a good enough school that I doubt he's just rehashing history. For all we know the entire thing's a suggestion rather than a retelling. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:53 PM Author: Arousing clown Who are you to say what or how much he's done? You have not read his thesis - it sounds like a complex policy suggestion to me, and you certainly have no reason to say it's just a "summary."
The amount of anger you've shown in this thread is really something else. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:58 PM Author: Arousing clown Your points are pretty ridiculous.
- His exact LSAT score is unknown. If he's in the "low-90's" percentile-wise, we could be dealing with a 167 or 168.
- His GPA is above 70% of Yale admits from a decent school NOT known for grade inflation, in a tough major.
- The idea that his thesis is derivative or assisted in any way has no basis. Has anyone here seen the document in question? His mother advocates polio vaccines in South Africa, so a political/economic analysis of US foreign policy on Africa is automatically derivative or "a summary"? I don't follow you.
And the big point:
- His other EC's are an unknown, not to mention his letters and his own writing.
You've seen very little of this guy's file. I'm guessing the team of Yale Law professors who were impressed by him had a little more to go on. Just a hunch there. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:05 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage It's difficult to prove either way what the admit decision was based on, I agree.
But at this point, the preponderance of the evidence is in favor of there having been some benefit to his identity, and I think we all know that.
I don't know why you aren't admitting this much.
Just based on my knowledge of Yale's admission's system, he already got one free point under their system for having a sibling who attended, so we KNOW it was a factor... |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:25 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate "But at this point, the preponderance of the evidence is in favor of there having been some benefit to his identity, and I think we all know that."
Yes, and a large part of his identity is self-earned. Why is it hard for you to come around to that point of view?
-His numbers are good - as I've said, better than most Yale admits in GPA, and better than a substantial portion of every Yale class in LSAT.
-His EC's are good. The extent to which nepotism helped him get them is unknown.
The fact that a HALF-brother of his went to Yale UNDERGRAD (check the link you got that info from) is a pretty tenuous link - from my experiences with law schools, they do not usually know or care who went to a college under the same university.
If his brother had gone to Yale Law, this would have been your first substantial point that nepotism played a role - HYS all have slots in their admissions materials for family graduates of the law school, but no slots for undergrad. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:34 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: You clearly know very little about Yale's admission system "Just based on my knowledge of Yale's admission's system, he already got one free point under their system for having a sibling who attended, so we KNOW it was a factor..."
That only applies to family who attended the LAW SCHOOL, not family who attended Yale undergrad or any other part of Yale.
For someone who talks so much about Yale Law admissions, you sure seem to know very little about how their admissions process works. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:46 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate Exactly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248589) |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 1:58 PM Author: Ivory Police Squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1518751) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:06 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: Replying again to respond to your edits "I do NOT think that Yale is the place for someone who has never done any intellectually independent work."
Once again, what exactly are you arguing, that his mommy did all his college work for him and wrote his senior thesis for him?
Anyone who has graduated from a top college, let alone one that requires a senior thesis, has done intellectually independent work.
"In fact, at my University, his thesis could have been disqualified due to not being sufficiently independent from the research interests of those who assisted him with it."
Okay, exactly what am I missing here? What makes you think that someone else did his thesis for him? |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:12 PM Author: Arousing clown Do you honestly think his flaky actress mother did all this for him? She would have had to:
a) posed as him for IQ tests
b) wrote an analytic political science thesis
c) got a nearly perfect GPA in a degree in a hard science
Sounds a little suspect to me. The moment you started talking about the kid not being "intellectually independent" you started losing credibility. You have no grounds for that assumption as far as I can see.
Did he get his position at the UN because of nepotism? Almost certainly. Did he keep it because of that? I'm doubting it. We have no idea how "independent" his work was or wasn't.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:17 PM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage a) the IQ test is irrelevant and that claim is unsubstantiated anyway.
b) the thesis isn't particularly amazing.
c) I agree his GPA was achieved of his own merit, notwithstanding the fact that Bard suffers from severe grade-inflation.
"We have no idea how "independent" his work was or wasn't."
It's presumable the work wasn't independent because it bears such similarity to the work of his mother. The work obviously draws upon a wealth of opportunity that was handed to him, and he clearly had resources available to him that weren't available to most people...
As I was saying before, had he written a bio-chemistry thesis I'd be more impressed.
In any event, the EC's didn't need to just be solid, they needed to make up for his 163 LSAT... frankly, they don't do that.
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:52 PM Author: Carmine affirmative action karate The genius level IQ is from his post at PR. GTO's claim is correct: 160+, he said. It's more substantiated in that regard than any of the LSAT numbers, for which we only have a 160's ballpark.
My main point is that you have no idea what his entire range of EC's are, just as you have no idea exactly what his thesis is like or how he handled his UN position.
"The work obviously draws upon a wealth of opportunity that was handed to him, and he clearly had resources available to him that weren't available to most people..."
Yeah, definitely! It sounds like he's had extraordinary opportunities in terms of travel and research access. Does that mean he did any less work than anyone else? It sure doesn't suggest that to me. |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:44 AM Author: Crawly base How old are you, gto? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#241132) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:51 AM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: 20 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#241202) |
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Date: April 19th, 2004 9:09 PM Author: adulterous stead Hey, F*&# these people who don't you. Mazel Tov! Have fun at Yale. And, I do hope you are going to Yale and not waiting on Harvard! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#236526) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:05 AM Author: azure medicated personal credit line what are your career goals? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#240707) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:53 AM Author: Federal exhilarant church masturbator so you are like the LeBron James of law students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#241221) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 12:12 PM Author: Salmon Hospital Tank No, he is the Bruce Leroy of law students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#241363) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 10:05 PM Author: Arousing clown The guy who's arguing that his "soft factors" are deficient is getting pretty ridiculous. Hand-holding can't get you through a college degree in one of the hard sciences, as far as I know. The kid has proven himself and seems to be as impressive or moreso than the average Yale admit. Why is that so hard for you to come to grips with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#247597) |
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Date: April 20th, 2004 11:42 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: It's the same mentality that makes people claim that people who finish college early are social misfits without any friends who become screwed up for life because of it. Comes from a combination of jealously, fear of what you don't understand, and just plain ignorance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#248547) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 12:01 AM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage GTO, how do you explain the LSAT score?
I'll admit, that's my hang-up...
How do you explain the LSAT score, and how do you explain the rejection of the girl last year?
You seemed to suggest before that Yale violated Title IX because the girl was rejected but not the guy.
Do you not agree that she was more qualified than him? Facially, I think that claim's pretty obvious. Do you think SHE might have been assisted by having a famous family member? |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 12:11 AM Author: Arousing clown Subject: His LSAT score isn't that low, remember. He's above a substantial portion of every Yale class, every year, even in the LSAT department. He's above a vast majority of the class in GPA. His numbers seem right on target for a Yale admit with exceptional EC's (which I think his are, no matter how much you want to assume mommy wrote his thesis and passed his exams).
But don't forget that good numbers don't guarantee admissions for anyone, just as low numbers aren't a "death knell" as you suggest. People with 180's are turned down at Yale every year. The current dean of admissions has gone on the record as saying this.
This kid's irregular for one reason - because it's irregular for anyone, with any numbers, to get in. Those factors - letters, statement, short essay, resume - which you are so quick to overlook, are actually important. Shocking, I know. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 12:12 AM Author: dull psychic new version "GTO, how do you explain the LSAT score?"
What do you want me to explain, why he got that score? Why Yale admitted him with that score? If the former, he likely thought like most people and assumed the LSAT can be taken cold like the SAT. If the latter, it's because of all the other accomplishments he's had that far outweigh a couple of points on a standardized test.
"How do you explain the LSAT score, and how do you explain the rejection of the girl last year?"
From your description of her ECs, they don't sound nearly as impressive as what Seamus has accomplished.
"You seemed to suggest before that Yale violated Title IX because the girl was rejected but not the guy."
Hey, it's a possibility. Remember how the Yale Law process goes, each candidate is reviewed by three professors who rate them from 1 to 4, and to receive admission you need a combined score of 11. All it would take is one prof to reduce her rating a little bit for her to not receive admission.
Hell it wouldn't even have to be because of her gender, it could have been because of her age. Every single applicant is NOT rated by the same three profs. Last year, your buddy could've been rated by at least one prof who downgraded her rating because he felt she was too young for law school, and that one ratings reduction from one prof could have caused her to be rejected. This year, Seamus might've been lucky enough to not have those sort of profs read his file. Not only is this possible, but it's what probably happened.
"Do you not agree that she was more qualified than him? Facially, I think that claim's pretty obvious."
Based on what I know of both individuals, no, I don't think she's more qualified than him. That said, they're both very highly qualified individuals, and I doubt your friend is suffering any at Harvard.
"Do you think SHE might have been assisted by having a famous family member?"
ANYONE would be assisted by coming from a rich family. As for coming from a famous family, I don't think that's relavant here at all. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 12:23 AM Author: Lascivious Fat Ankles Menage To clarify, she's not my "friend", except to the extent that we've talked on here a couplem times.
However, her situation did provide a solid contrast with his situation and lead me to suspect that he might have been admitted for other reasons. Your alternative explanation is also possible, and I think you can admit that neither of us know. My affirmative claims before might have been a little over-stated.
Note to Seamus if he comes around --->>
This discussion was originally intended to be about meritocracy, my apologies if your individuality got cannibalized a little bit in the course of the conversation or if I made claims that were over-stated. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 6:15 PM Author: Slate roast beef "he likely thought like most people and assumed the LSAT can be taken cold like the SAT."
It can. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 9:11 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: It can, but it's not advisable at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#257961) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 12:32 AM Author: angry forum Subject: Wow, this guys is really fucking amazing if true. On the off chance that this isn't a hoax, you are some pretty impressive shit. Did you really get a genius level IQ at 10? Are the articles linked to here and the PR posts accurate? What the hell do you want a JD for? BIGLAW will bore you.
Sorry to hear some people are ripping into you - people will always detract from people they feel threatened by. Jealousy's a funny thing. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:11 AM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: I think he said on PR that he wants to do public interest stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#249733) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:06 PM Author: violet locus is his IQ really 160+, it doesnt say in PR. anyways, dont get me wrong, but a genius would get higher in LSAT, i know that LSAT isnt a 100% intelligence exam, but still a 160+Iq would not get such numbers. especially, since he did so well in the SAT at the age of 10. anyways, relax and have a great time in Yale. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:22 PM Author: dull psychic new version Subject: It's very believable actually If he took the LSAT cold then it's no surprise at all that he might end up with a low 90th percentile LSAT. After all, hasn't pretty much everyone here scored significantly lower on their first practice LSAT than they did on the real thing because they got used to the format of the test? Not to mention that we always seem to get people here with 150/170 splits who say the reason for the 150 is that they took the test cold the first time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#255216) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:44 PM Author: talented station useless brakes This may sound harsh, but anybody who is going to take the official LSAT cold maybe isn't ready for the rigors of law school.
And incidentally, getting a "160+" IQ when you're in your mid-teens isn't that difficult. They add points to your score the younger you are.
But honestly, who fucking cares? Talk about celebrity backlash. This guy is not a golden god but far less qualified people get into such institutions all the time. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 2:46 AM Author: violet locus I think you are right about the IQ thing, you see, we dont know when he took the IQ, so if that score is his IQ when he was 2 or 10 or something, then of course, he was a genius by then. I think that those who speak fluent by the age of 2 and so on, they just reach theri peak intelligence earlier. However, it doesnt mean that they will continue in that rate untill they reach 20 or something(it is like saying that I will keep getting more intelligent as time goes by) And still, a 160+IQ even if he took it cold, he should ahve got higher than that in the LSAT, for god's sake, 160+ means, that they cant speak and are disturbed and so on, and frankly, the guy looks pretty stable, and actually cool(he posts in a games forum) and i dont know what is the deal with everyone saying that he doesnt deserve going to yale, people with much less numbers got in there, and where not even in the UN. |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 8:52 PM Author: Umber unholy institution legal warrant I got a 165 on a cold, timed, first practice LSAT. I'm a hell of a long way from a genius. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1521244) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 8:51 PM Author: Zombie-like Mind-boggling Round Eye And this proves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1528036) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 7:34 PM Author: Shaky vivacious meetinghouse bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#763253) |
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Date: June 19th, 2004 9:10 PM Author: dull psychic new version Hi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#763703) |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 1:35 PM Author: Brilliant stirring home becky Yalies - has anyone seen/met this kid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1518600) |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 7:37 PM Author: nighttime fuchsia shrine puppy Subject: He is deferring for two years.
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Date: October 20th, 2004 8:54 PM Author: Umber unholy institution legal warrant Thank God. Although based on HLS' experience with 18-year-olds, I consider even them high risk. Law school is just not designed for people leaving home for the first time. And I don't want to hear about how emotionally mature some kid is when he's basically never left his family (this goes for 22-year-olds, too). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1521251) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 4:42 PM Author: nighttime fuchsia shrine puppy For what it is worth, he'd been away from home for a while and, when I spoke to him in-person in April, he seemed fairly mature.
Holla.
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Date: October 20th, 2004 1:37 PM Author: Flushed Hissy Fit I wonder if he doesn't come here once in a while under a different name (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1518616) |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 1:41 PM Author: Sapphire Regret Nowag Subject: I'm the alias. I play with Jennifer Garner's inflato-teats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1518632) |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 2:28 PM Author: Emerald overrated spot I think you're the *pungendus* guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1518868) |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 2:45 PM Author: Sapphire Regret Nowag that would be an interesting choice. wrong. but interesting.
edit: you're not the first to say that, either. why do you think that i am? |
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Date: October 20th, 2004 8:36 PM Author: naked theatre mad-dog skullcap does Mia give good head? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1521125) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 4:46 PM Author: Bisexual Range 16 at yls? man u got me beat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1526448) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 4:51 PM Author: Slate roast beef You don't even have an LSAT score. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1526481) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 6:38 PM Author: Bisexual Range what does that have to do with anything?
he has me beat. he's going to yls at 16. i was in high school then. |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 7:05 PM Author: naked theatre mad-dog skullcap derek jeter still has a much better life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1527303) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 11:50 PM Author: Slate roast beef "what does that have to do with anything?"
It means he's got you beaten on even the lowest of levels. |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 6:40 PM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1527160) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 6:44 PM Author: Sapphire Regret Nowag Smith is the essence of toolitude. The Platonic 'Form' of Toolishness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1527178) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 6:45 PM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1527182) |
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Date: October 21st, 2004 11:52 PM Author: Slate roast beef Has he actually *done* anything? It looks like he travels and speaks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1529175) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2004 12:05 AM Author: Sapphire Regret Nowag puberty. it's like a full-time job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1529250) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2004 1:30 AM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1529508) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2004 12:13 AM Author: rusted bull headed corner potus awesome video! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1529269) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2004 12:28 PM Author: galvanic drunken casino rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#1531038) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2005 5:43 AM Author: bossy striped hyena piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#3386719) |
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Date: January 13th, 2006 12:47 AM Author: bossy striped hyena piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#4803448) |
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Date: January 13th, 2006 1:11 AM Author: chestnut doctorate Saw Match Point today. It was decent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#4803696) |
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Date: December 14th, 2006 3:29 PM Author: swashbuckling at-the-ready library What happened to this kid? How is he doing at YLS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7219477) |
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Date: December 14th, 2006 7:29 PM Author: sexy school cafeteria good question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7221381) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 10:26 AM Author: know-it-all slap-happy chapel Bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7929995) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 10:35 AM Author: multi-colored crimson field messiness no one will hire a 19 year old atty. not even a yalie. he'll have to get his medical license after this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930006) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 11:36 AM Author: dull psychic new version I'd be surprised if he expects to be hired by anyone. He seems like the type of guy to start his own non-profit organization after graduation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930106) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 11:59 AM Author: irradiated pit credited, or he may work in the political arena in some capacity. note previous experience working for Richard Holbrooke "handling research, media management, and speech writing." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930160) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 11:48 AM Author: irradiated pit The ’Genocide Olympics’ Wednesday 28 March 2007 21:20. Printer-Friendly version Comments...
By Ronan Farrow and Mia Farrow, The Wall Street Journal
March 28, 2007 — "One World, One Dream" is China’s slogan for its 2008 Olympics. But there is one nightmare that China shouldn’t be allowed to sweep under the rug. That nightmare is Darfur, where more than 400,000 people have been killed and more than two-and-a-half million driven from flaming villages by the Chinese-backed government of Sudan.
That so many corporate sponsors want the world to look away from that atrocity during the games is bad enough. But equally disappointing is the decision of artists like director Steven Spielberg — who quietly visited China this month as he prepares to help stage the Olympic ceremonies — to sanitize Beijing’s image. Is Mr. Spielberg, who in 1994 founded the Shoah Foundation to record the testimony of survivors of the holocaust, aware that China is bankrolling Darfur’s
China is pouring billions of dollars into Sudan. Beijing purchases an overwhelming majority of Sudan’s annual oil exports and state-owned China National Petroleum Corp. — an official partner of the upcoming Olympic Games — owns the largest shares in each of Sudan’s two major oil consortia. The Sudanese government uses as much as 80% of proceeds from those sales to fund its brutal Janjaweed proxy militia and purchase their instruments of destruction: bombers, assault helicopters, armored vehicles and small arms, most of them of Chinese manufacture. Airstrips constructed and operated by the Chinese have been used to launch bombing campaigns on villages. And China has used its veto power on the U.N. Security Council to repeatedly obstruct efforts by the U.S. and the U.K. to introduce peacekeepers to curtail the slaughter.
As one of the few players whose support is indispensable to Sudan, China has the power to, at the very least, insist that Khartoum accept a robust international peacekeeping force to protect defenseless civilians in Darfur. Beijing is uniquely positioned to put a stop to the slaughter, yet they have so far been unabashed in their refusal to do so.
But there is now one thing that China may hold more dear than their unfettered access to Sudanese oil: their successful staging of the 2008 Summer Olympics. That desire may provide a lone point of leverage with a country that has otherwise been impervious to all criticism.
Whether that opportunity goes unexploited lies in the hands of the high-profile supporters of these Olympic Games. Corporate sponsors like Johnson & Johnson, Coca-Cola, General Electric and McDonalds, and key collaborators like Mr. Spielberg, should be put on notice. For there is another slogan afoot, one that is fast becoming viral amongst advocacy groups; rather than "One World, One Dream," people are beginning to speak of the coming "Genocide Olympics."
Does Mr. Spielberg really want to go down in history as the Leni Riefenstahl of the Beijing Games? Do the various television sponsors around the world want to share in that shame? Because they will. Unless, of course, all of them add their singularly well-positioned voices to the growing calls for Chinese action to end the slaughter in Darfur.
Imagine if such calls were to succeed in pushing the Chinese government to use its leverage over Sudan to protect civilians in Darfur. The 2008 Beijing Olympics really could become an occasion for pride and celebration, a truly international honoring of the authentic spirit of "one world" and "one dream."
* Mr. Farrow, a student a Yale Law School, traveled to Darfur as a UNICEF spokesperson in 2004 and 2006. Ms. Farrow, an actor, has traveled twice to Darfur and twice to neighboring Chad. She has recently returned from Darfur’s border with the Central African Republic.
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article21034 |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 2:32 PM Author: Bronze boiling water headpube http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Farrow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930786) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 11:50 AM Author: irradiated pit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Seamus_Farrow
"Ronan completed undergraduate work at Bard College, with a double major in biology and philosophy. Prior to enrolling at Yale Law School, he worked as Special Assistant to former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke, handling research, media management, and speech writing."
http://www.genocideintervention.net/about/ronan.php
GI-Net currently has a permanent staff of five full-time employees,[6]. It has three official "representatives," Stephanie Nyombayire, Ronan Farrow and Bec Hamilton.
It is headquartered in Washington, DC, at 1333 H Street NW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Intervention_Network |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 12:49 PM Author: shimmering box office son of senegal Is he gay? I saw him on the view or Regis & Kelly or something like that last year and he seemed like a decent, intelligent guy, but pretty effeminate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930319) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 2:39 PM Author: Bronze boiling water headpube Why? Even if he is, he's probably one of those hard to lay gays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930805) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 2:40 PM Author: know-it-all slap-happy chapel wondering this myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930810) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 2:43 PM Author: Bronze boiling water headpube As you jack off to his picture? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930829) |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 2:52 PM Author: Bronze boiling water headpube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=488U8QuHaI0
Starts at 8:30. |
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Date: April 14th, 2007 3:03 PM Author: shimmering box office son of senegal His animated self is evil-looking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=14497&forum_id=2#7930901) |