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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:38 PM Author: milky haunted graveyard http://www.cgsh.com/english/recruit/office.aspx?OfficeID=320883505&id=
Most of our recruiting efforts are conducted through our fall on-campus recruiting program. Our lawyers conduct interviews at approximately 14 law schools and at various local job fairs. Following these preliminary interviews, we invite second and third year law students to visit our office for a series of interviews with several lawyers.
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:39 PM Author: henna flickering gay wizard This begs the qustion - what 14 schools do they recruit at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2423940) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:40 PM Author: motley jet-lagged laser beams rehab http://www.cgsh.com/english/recruit/detail.aspx?id=320873705&OfficeID=320883505&pageid=000322617301 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2423949) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:40 PM Author: topaz home trump supporter http://www.cgsh.com/english/recruit/detail.aspx?id=320873705&OfficeID=320883505&pageid=000322617301 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2423950) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:48 PM Author: Infuriating Gay Space for your own good:
http://skepdic.com/begging.html |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 6:45 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca hehe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424348) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:53 PM Author: Passionate therapy digit ratio hmm...no cornell and nu, but texas and gw, interesting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424058) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:40 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buff elastic band dilemma Subject: too bad that "top-14" includes GW and Howard... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2423955) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:43 PM Author: Contagious new version and bolt, but no cornell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2423968) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 5:46 PM Author: scarlet factory reset button Howard = "diversity" GW = its on the way |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 6:36 PM Author: Carmine Multi-colored Site Nowag Subject: on the way to... ...Georgetown?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424310) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 6:49 PM Author: glittery lake piazza Interviewing at Howard is a joke given AA. I would be insulted even if I were a minority. This firm deserves hate mail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424366) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 6:53 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca Do they not hire from Howard? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424394) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 6:59 PM Author: glittery lake piazza I don't know. What pisses me off is that Cleary Gottlieb is a top 10 Vault firm, and Howard is a Tier 3 law school with a reputation substantially lower than all schools in the Top 100. Cleary Gottlieb can get plenty of more qualified minorities from top 100 schools.
So basically Cleary Gottlieb, by interviewing at Howard, says they don't care about diversity and they don't care about hiring qualified minorities. Rather, they care about creating a phony image.
I'm in favor of AA, but i'm not in favor of phony maneuvers to make it look like you care about minorities. |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:02 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca I was thinking (probably erroneously) that they hired from Howard because they visited there. If they are visiting, with no real intention of hiring, then I'm with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424463) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:52 PM Author: Boyish Resort they generally go there late to fill a quota in case they didnt pick anyone from good schools. its embarrassing to have a class with no blacks apparently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424784) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 6:55 PM Author: smoky unhinged half-breed Bah, just about all firms do this. Wachtell, for example, only interviews at HYSCCN Penn and Howard. That's a pretty big fucking dropoff.
http://www.nalpdirectory.com/employerdetails.asp?fscid=F0829&id=01&yr=2004 |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 6:59 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca They have 1 black partner and 1 black associate. I doubt they are from Howard. I'm not a fan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424436) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:06 PM Author: smoky unhinged half-breed I agree that it is not a good practice. I just don't think it's fair to single out one firm for this when they just about all do similar things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424484) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 10:50 PM Author: bull headed gold school crotch Their black partner is a Chicago grad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2426398) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 10:57 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buff elastic band dilemma Subject: I think I read where that guy averaged 3000+ hours for 6 years before they made him a partner. I respect that firm because it is a meritocracy and nobody gets ahead without proving themself, black, white, or otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2426461) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:02 PM Author: glittery lake piazza That's just embarassing. It makes a mockery of minorities and their supposed desire for diversity. Minorities at Michigan are more qualified than minorities at Howard, but Wachtell eschews them to enhance its image. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424461) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:01 PM Author: rose community account mental disorder "Minorities at Michigan are more qualified than minorities at Howard.."
That's not necessarily true. I was going to pass up Michigan for Howard, and I suspect many of the top of the class at Howard had the same decision. It's similar to non-URMs choosing to go to a lesser ranked local school for reasons monetary or otherwise.
It's not like firms are going to UDC or Thurgood Marshall to fill diversity slots. The top 10% at Howard is probably as competent as just about any other law student, minority or otherwise. |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:25 PM Author: Disrespectful Blood Rage Area woah, they have more gay partners than Asian partners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424612) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:38 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424692) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:51 PM Author: razzle underhanded orchestra pit that 10asian associate to 1 partner ratio is pathetic. the women don't fair too well either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424773) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:54 PM Author: honey-headed vibrant newt electric furnace Seriously. What the hell is going on? I thought Asians are insane overachievers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424793) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 7:59 PM Author: razzle underhanded orchestra pit The stats aren't saying anything about Asians (or women). It's saying something about the firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424817) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:02 PM Author: swashbuckling crystalline hell goal in life That's irrational.
Asians are probably overachievers who think they can bill 2600 hours a year and not bring in business, yet still make partner. |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:32 PM Author: razzle underhanded orchestra pit Please entertain us with another idiotic explaination for the women stats too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425042) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:34 PM Author: vigorous alcoholic international law enforcement agency yeh good baseless generalization. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425056) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:39 PM Author: mind-boggling cocky range lettuce racist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425096) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:02 PM Author: honey-headed vibrant newt electric furnace I'm fairly new to the game. I've heard of Watchell obviously, but is it considered a Jewish firm? Or white-shoe?
Actually, I wonder how many BIGLAW Asian partners are there to begin with... |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:13 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buff elastic band dilemma Subject: It's not a white shoe firm... It was founded in 1965, and like Skadden (which was founded in the 1950's) it benefitted greatly from the M&A craze in the 70's and 80's.
I don't know the history of Wachtell specifically, but Skadden was started by Catholics and Jews who did not have the pedigree to make partner at white shoe firms (specifically Root Ballentine - the precursor to today's Dewey Ballentine).
Wachtell's Katz and Skadden's Flom often faced off against one another in M&A battles, and both pioneered the concept of charging a "premium" for their services, over and above hourly rates.
Skadden, obviously, chose a high-growth model while Wachtell has chosen to remain very small.
HTH |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:15 PM Author: supple maize stead milk I heard that WLRK was founded by a bunch of NYU Jews who couldn't get into the white-shoe firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424905) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:18 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buff elastic band dilemma Subject: Like I said... I don't know the history of WLRK... But given the prejudices and preferences formerly practiced by NY whiteshoe firms - that makes sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424923) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:19 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca ok - what's a "white shoe firm?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424931) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:22 PM Author: supple maize stead milk It's like "tort" - there's no good definition. This isn't bad: http://www.blogdenovo.org/archives/000683.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424961) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:24 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buff elastic band dilemma Subject: truly, I don't know the exact definition of the term... I would say that the very old, formerly very prestigious NY firms were "white shoe."
Firms like:
Cravath, Swaine, & Moore Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft Dewey (Root) Ballentine White & Case Millbank Tweed Davis Polk & Wardell
Consider this - if it sounds English & Wasp-y, it was probably white shoe. If it has Jewish and/or Catholic names - probably not white shoe.
HTH |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:30 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buff elastic band dilemma Subject: as a side note... the Dewey in Dewey Ballentine (I believe) is Thomas Dewey of "Dewey defeats Truman" fame.
The Taft in Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft is a cousin of the President. |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:47 PM Author: bistre cerebral voyeur Also Rogers & Wells (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425173) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 10:44 PM Author: Aphrodisiac buff elastic band dilemma Subject: I thought that was Ropes & Gray now... In interviewed with their NYC office - wouldn't give me the time of day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2426332) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:26 PM Author: Vivacious national boiling water like "groovy," something people used to say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424995) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 10:51 PM Author: shivering death wish "I heard that WLRK was founded by a bunch of NYU Jews who couldn't get into the white-shoe firms."
Didn't a recent Vault quote a founder as saying this is a myth? |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:02 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca glass ceiling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2424827) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:34 PM Author: Silver wagecucks Partners are representative of the student bodies of law schools of 20-30 years ago, which had relatively few asians. Associates come from more recent law school classes, which have significantly more asians than in the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425055) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:34 PM Author: supple maize stead milk Bingo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425059) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:44 PM Author: razzle underhanded orchestra pit Probably mostly true. Although that ratio still looks butt ugly. It takes 8 years to partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425141) |
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Date: March 27th, 2005 8:49 PM Author: stubborn mahogany macaca "Partners are representative of the student bodies of law schools of 20-30 years ago, which had relatively few asians."
It doesn't take 20 or 30 years to become a partner though. |
Date: March 27th, 2005 8:47 PM Author: bistre cerebral voyeur CGSH is a rancid TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=155899&forum_id=2#2425174) |