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NYU 1L sends vicious email to professor, cc's her whole section
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:30 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky dear professor subin,
as one of the self-admitted "people [who] seemed to spend the entire class time doing things unrelated to the class on their computers," i just wanted to respond to your email and thank you for keeping the exam length at 24 hours. while i voted for an 8 hour exam in class, upon further reflection i have changed my mind and decided that a longer exam period will most benefit me, as a non-participant, in attempting to write a semi-coherent exam.
i would also like to comment generally on my dissatisfaction in the first year law school educational experience as a whole. it has seemed to me to be more of a mind-numbing training procedure than an enriching intellectual experience. your class, however, stands out as a particular disappointment.
may i respectfully suggest that perhaps having an instructor who seemed somewhat interested in actually teaching the material objectively and creating an even slightly welcoming classroom discussion atmosphere would have prompted both myself and the vast majority of the rest of the class to pay attention and participate rather than sending each other instant messages, playing online games, and checking our email.
if i may be so bold as to quote one of my fellow students, i believe [name redacted] summed this general issue up quite succinctly earlier in the semester. in response to your half-joking comment referring to your disappointment in students' clothing choices today as opposed to in the past, he said, "the professors used to wear suits too."
with this comment i merely wish to illustrate your personal role in creating an effective educational environment. personally, i was very eager to learn criminal law at the beginning of the semester. however, when it seemed that class was not going to help me much in attaining that goal, i decided to use the time to enjoy myself instead.
i apologize wholeheartedly if my blatantly obvious dissatisfaction with your class was offensive to you.
sincerely,
elizabeth abdnour |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:32 PM Author: Glittery useless brakes sandwich Oh no she di-int! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253524) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:33 PM Author: Primrose cuckoldry karate haha! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253542) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:34 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car what an idiot. this can't be real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253560) |
Date: April 21st, 2004 2:32 PM Author: Razzmatazz Vengeful Chapel Legal Warrant where do people get the cojones for this kind of crap....
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:34 PM Author: Stubborn Digit Ratio she's fucking paying for it. good for her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253555) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:34 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car now she's really paying for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253566) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:36 PM Author: Stubborn Digit Ratio i'm sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253600) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:34 PM Author: flatulent school no idea. good god, that girl must be insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253562) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:35 PM Author: Charismatic newt blind grading?
the guy she mentioned might be pissed |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:36 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky good point. i'll edit that out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253591) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:36 PM Author: Heady aquamarine location round eye It appeared his comment was made in class, so, I can't see why. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253598) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:38 PM Author: Charismatic newt I wasn't sure if it was made in class publically or as an aside to a friend... I'd still be upset to have that comment rehashed, even if it were public. The association just wouldn't be good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253618) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:40 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car same here. if this is real, odds are the prof will fail her and try to run her out of the school. I know that's what I'd do if I were him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253649) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:41 PM Author: Heady aquamarine location round eye Correct.
I'd shoot her dog, as well. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:54 PM Author: impressive base Blind grading. But she'll get hers when she starts taking seminars next year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253927) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 3:10 AM Author: Autistic obsidian property Blind grading gives students a false sense of security. Think about how easy this would be for a prof to screw with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#260962) |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 8:27 PM Author: arousing sooty antidepressant drug Um. How? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6023418) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 2:36 PM Author: Slate Wonderful Wagecucks Preventive Strike I think in her case, the cajones are psychoses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#264631) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:33 PM Author: Outnumbered domesticated meetinghouse It's so cute that she refused to use capital letters, even after proofreading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253544) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:35 PM Author: Razzmatazz Vengeful Chapel Legal Warrant this real?
profs, no matter how bad or boring, arent there for your entertainment..goddamit...is it so hard to just sit there and pay attention... |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:37 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car this girl sounds like a spoiled baby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253607) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 10:47 PM Author: Autistic obsidian property Yeah, if you're being a smart-ass to a prof (especially when you came off as a loser/slacker) you should at least try not to come off as a total illiterate moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258655) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:35 PM Author: Heady aquamarine location round eye Are you serious? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253572) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:35 PM Author: Outnumbered domesticated meetinghouse It's real. I got it. Apparently the whole school has it now.
Which would mean Edgar didn't get it. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:35 PM Author: excitant canary fanboi gas station lesson learned: NYU blows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253581) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:39 PM Author: Heady aquamarine location round eye Correct.
I bet this never happens at Columbia. |
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Date: July 6th, 2004 12:08 PM Author: Up-to-no-good talented hissy fit rehab that gives me an idea.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#893874) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:41 PM Author: Mind-boggling station reading party As Archie Costello would say, byootiful! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253655) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:50 PM Author: splenetic jew You know either of these parties, Edgar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253835) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 2:51 PM Author: slippery mother Don't know the author. Don't know the professor personally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#253867) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:22 PM Author: sepia big deer antler this is a perfect time to test whether edgar really goes to nyu. edgar, why don't you write the initials of the professor to whom this is referring and the student she quotes -- lawyerbird can confirm whether you're correct. if everyone at the school received this email, you must have.
the truth must be told. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:42 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon Dude, why did you have to fucking post this? Erase the name please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254710) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:44 PM Author: Brindle regret church You know her? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254730) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:45 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon yes I am good friends with her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254743) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:46 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car she sounds like a spoiled baby. true? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254754) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:47 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon honestly I think she had a bad week.
I know corporate sellout goes to NYU too, so I dont think this is very cool. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:48 PM Author: Brindle regret church Why'd she copy the whole section? Ballsy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254774) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:49 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car that's gotta be the most immature, self-serving response possible in that situation. obviously she has no perspective on how hard it is to be a teacher (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254786) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:51 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon without commenting on that, I can say that the professor sent out a section wide email bitching the class out too. It didn't seem bery professional, but I dont know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254802) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:52 PM Author: Brindle regret church She's not David Bowie's wife ,Iman, is she? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254810) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:54 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254835) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:53 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car I'm assuming that he was bitching the class out for wasting time playing on their computers, right? This is entirely appropriate given that that sort of thing shows a complete lack of respect for the time and effort he put into preparing lectures. The fact that this girl thinks it is her right to disrespect her instructor in any way she chooses shows a very high level of immaturity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254827) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:55 PM Author: Brindle regret church yep. damn, she crazy. was she drunk when she decided to send this email? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254852) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:55 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon well I wouldnt do something like that, and I wouldnt share it with the class.
however given the context of what that class is like, the professor is not without fault in this case regarding the frustrations of his class. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:58 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car I'm not saying that you have to kiss your prfs asses whenever possible, but I guarantee you that e-mail will accomplish nothing but a failing grade for her. I am sure there are ways around blind grading (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254886) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:00 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon i actually think her prof responded positively to the email, and wanted to talk about it.
teachers dont flunk you because you bitch them out. thankfully most of them are smarter and more mature than we are. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:03 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car teachers do flunk you for bitching them out. Generally, these students aren't great students anyway, so it's pretty easy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254956) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:57 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky Actually, it got forwarded to me from a friend at NYU. I'm at another law school.
I figure anybody who is willing to broadcast that to 100 people in their section with their name attached deserves what they get. Especially when they act like as much of a vicious bitch as this girl. Nobody had any problem with keeping the name attached on the Skadden email last summer. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:58 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car I agree completely. Good show. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254893) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 3:59 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon yes but she is a personal friend of mine, and if you could do it as a favor, that would be nice.
you dont get anything out of spreading her name, she has to deal with enough of this shit at school. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:01 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky i would be willing to do that, but i have a personal beef with this girl.
she kicked my dog.
why did she do it? |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:02 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon that doesn't make much sense.
if you want me to kick her back for you, I can do that when I see her later on. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:48 PM Author: Flushed cracking market tattoo Subject: WHY DID SHE DO IT? Now I have to get my dog operation! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255562) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:50 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky i'm glad someone finally got the joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255592) |
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Date: July 6th, 2004 12:01 PM Author: Metal irate really tough guy feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#893810) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:02 PM Author: splenetic jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254942) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:03 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky you are assuming that i have a good heart.
i think i have proven that not to be true. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:05 PM Author: splenetic jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254978) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:07 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky i know. i will be punished, by slaving away in a law office, hating my life and soul but pursuing the almighty dollar. then i will be laid off two years shy of making partner, my wife will leave me, take the kids, and i will be forced into contract attorney work.
i have seen my future, and it is bleak. so i will have my fun now. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:08 PM Author: splenetic jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255033) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:18 PM Author: onyx naked milk [As Lauryn Hill once put it: "Karma karma karma comes back to you hard."]
Lauryn Hill is an idiot. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 10:19 AM Author: Painfully Honest Rough-skinned Piazza she really is. back when she smokin' hot as a property, she put the word out that she wanted to slip into the world of film, and my buddy tried to get her involved in several projects. but she was a relentless cunt, demanding outlandish sums of money and prepared only to take lead roles.
you can see how well that worked for her. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 1:11 AM Author: Beady-eyed Hospital Factory Reset Button Exactly. Poor Jonas got his name dragged through the mud because of a stupid email. His story was even written up in the New Yorker, for crying out loud! Since Jonas put into words what all summer associates felt at one time or another, I felt pretty sorry for the poor guy and hope he is doing well.
But this girl who wrote the email, that is another story. I don't feel sorry that her anonymity is blown at all. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 1:08 AM Author: Beady-eyed Hospital Factory Reset Button What is so wrong with posting her name? Obviously, this girl is not so concerned w/ her anonymity that she CCd her entire section. Honestly, someone who has the GALL to do this to a PROFESSOR lacks class and maturity, and probably is not ready for the professional, adult world of lawyering. I don't think she should be removed from school, but perhaps a failing grade would teach this peurile, idiotic child a much-needed lesson. We all play Solitare, Snood etc...on our computers in a boring lecture, but that does not mean we have to criticize our professors to their faces, and drag the rest of the section into this. What this girl did is classless, horrific, and just plain indicative of a lack of decent breeding and good morals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#260043) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 3:36 AM Author: Cobalt floppy stage trump supporter (1) Who the fuck cares if he's a professor. I just got done driving a drunk (married) professor home from a party after he made an ass of himself, became violent, and hit on several undergrad girls.
(2) The e-mail was in direct response to an equally class-less e-mail by the professor.
(3) Her response was the most appropriate and effective response given the situation.
(4) He can't fail her for that. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 10:11 AM Author: Beady-eyed Hospital Factory Reset Button If a class is being particularly rude and inattentive, the prof is fine to call out the class. Some profs get really bothered by people playing solitare, or missing class. Maybe this prof just took this solitare-playing pretty personally. Anyhow, it's within his right as an authority figure and as a teacher to let the students know that he is not all that tolerant of certain student behavior. I don't think it's classless. I think this girl, however, has one foot in the trailer park (no offense to anyone of such socioeconomic status as to only be able to afford trailer park living). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#261651) |
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Date: June 20th, 2006 8:30 AM Author: flesh vibrant jap They're the ones paying him for his services. If he is doing a worthless job, fuck him. I'm sick and tired of shitty professors from high school to law school. I take the side of this chick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6026173) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:03 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge apart from using someone else's name without their consent, that girl is my hero. feel free to tell her so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254947) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:16 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate Why???
If a prof. were to send an e-mail to all the students in a section saying what an idiot one student is, would the prof. be your hero, too?
She's entitled to confront the prof. with her complaints, but I don't see why she had to do so publicly. Very immature. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:21 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge It depends on the prof. being a professor is by definition a public position, unlike being a student. If the professor was as bad as she described, I think she's pretty justified.
There are times when I have wanted to write something very much along those lines but did not have the guts. Of course I admire her. And I admire the fact that she actually came to learn, actually wanted to get something from a class and stood up for hereself when she didn't get it. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:23 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car if she came to learn, why was she spending all her time playing solitaire? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255228) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:24 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge because she had a shitty professor, obviously. Wasn't that the point? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255239) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:26 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car it doesn't sound like she was really making an effort to get something out of the class. it seems like the height of arrogance to criticize your prof after you spend the entire semester fucking around on your computer during class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255265) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:31 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate "after you spend the entire semester . . ."
That's the key. If she really wanted to get something out of the class, she would have brought this up sooner.
She just wanted to embarrass the prof. and show everyone how amusing she is. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:34 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge NYU costs what, 34,000 now? 36,000 with fees? For how much she's paying, I think she damn well has the right to complain. I really like the comment about how she wouldn't say this to her boss so how could she say it to her teacher? That's just great.
Look, I'm a business major, I know whe the customer is here, even if others appear confused. She had every right to complain. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:35 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky true enough.
but she decided to send it to 100 other people in her class. what a maroon. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:36 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car NYU is not making a profit on this bitch. No one should expect to have their education handed to them--- it's a two way street. She's not buying a hotdog (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255398) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:43 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge "NYU is not making a profit on this bitch"
insofar as they may be a nonprofit business, yes perhaps not. But rest assured they are still making money off of her.
"No one should expect to have their education handed to them--- it's a two way street"
I'm not claiming otherwise. If she were flunking out of every class and blaming the law school for her failures, I would tell her to suck it up. But this isn't the case. Her problem is self evidently with this particular teacher and it sounds like the rest of the class had the same problem and simply chose to do nothing about it.
She's not asking to have anything handed to her, she's not asking for any favoritism or any concessions on the exam. Quite the opposite, she's taking a risk with her reputation so that this gets heard. Doesn't sound to me like she wants anything handed to her, sounds to me like she's doing things the hard way. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:45 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car Well, I can agree that she is doing things the hard way, but it seems to me the only intended result here was to humiliate the prof. If she was really interested in "learning" she would have raised the issue a long time ago rather than playing video games all semester. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255531) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:49 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon Subin, not Sudin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255576) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:52 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge I agree, it would have been better if she had done it earlier. But she didn't and that doesn't mean that she shouldn't do it now. It needs to be done either way. Better late than never, you know?
I mean, it really is a brave thing to do, I can see how she would hesitate and leave it until the last moment before she actually did it.
Again, I just really empathize because I've had profs like this, especially when it's for a subject you really care about and are looking forward too, they really do screw you over in the worst way by being such a-holes. I think students do have the right to object. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:06 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate "especially when it's for a subject you really care about"
No better way to show you care than to play video games all semester and then intentionally embarrass the prof. w/o speaking to him first. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:13 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge if you're not learning anything in class anyway, why not play video games? that's not a show of disinterest in the subject, that's just common sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255851) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 9:47 PM Author: Mustard coiffed people who are hurt I've blown my top before, in fact it caused someone to quit because of it. It's not brave, it's getting pissed off and saying "damn the consequences." It may feel justified, but it is certainly not rational. I wish I had sat on my email for 24-48 hours, and I bet she would not have sent it as-is if she did as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258187) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:12 PM Author: Autistic obsidian property This may be true, but then the prof has the right to reward that behavior with what consequences he/she sees fit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258935) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 3:05 AM Author: Mustard coiffed people who are hurt Oh, completely no objection to that at all. If she gets flunked, tough peanuts for her (though that's probably quite an extreme case that she might actually be able to fight, depending on school policy).
I was just saying that this kind of behavior happens often, and it's MUCH more likely to be in the heat of the moment than calmly and rationally.
EDIT: nm, i is moron. Thought you were replying to me. |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 8:34 PM Author: arousing sooty antidepressant drug dude, WTF? it's one thing to think the professor WILL act that way; it's totally another to think he is justified to act that way. the professor should no more fail the kid who hates him than give an A+ to his favorite gunner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6023448) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:41 PM Author: ruby twinkling uncleanness dopamine Just because you have a right doesn't mean you should exercise it. I'm a little tired of people using the I SPENT 30 GRAND and thus...this this and this. Now it's a horrible prof, next time it's just one that irks me personally, etc, slipperly slope. The money you pay is more of an investment in yourself anyways, not a right to change everything at your law school. And besides, she's paying for NYU's name.
Prof is mean? Life is shitty. Had a bad week? She's not in Fallujah. Give me a break. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:48 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge I'm sorry but it's attitudes like this that leads to numerous shitty profs teaching law school. Maybe you're just paying for the name but do not make the mistake of assuming that everyone else is paying for just that.
Of course it matters but to many people quality of education matters as well. Are you saying they do not have the right to expect it? that we should all just say fuck quality of education so long as we get the degree? I don't think so. It is possible to provide both and personally, I would greatly prefer it if law schools did so. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:52 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car clearly this girl has improved NYU for everyone. bravo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255616) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:53 PM Author: ruby twinkling uncleanness dopamine Let's be honest, we're all going to the best law school for our situation. Usually that means rankings, if not it means location. Once you're practicing nobody gives a shit who you learned what from, because you forgot it all anyway.
But all that aside. I know that at my law school there was a contingent last semester that thought my contracts prof was the pits. They pissed and moaned to the dean about it. Yeah, his class wasn't exactly exciting but that didn't mean I wasn't learning.
If you don't like the prof, explain why on the evaluation sheets, but don't email me, don't form little clubs and sign petitions.
In the end, I don't know how you determine what's a quality teacher and what isn't. I'm sure this guy, dick though he may be, still taught the subject matter. And I wouldn't mind if some of my profs were a little ruder to some of the jackasses who pipe up in class. I'm certainly not paying THEM 30k to learn the law. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:06 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge I agree. It simply does not sound to me as if this is what happened. It sounds to me like this isn't a professor that tells some gunners to shut up, this is a professor that simply does not bother teaching the subject matter. Sure, he or she drones on in a reasonably on-topic sort of way about some area of criminal law or other but this is not actually teaching, in the traditional, helpful sense of the word.
I think that determining the quality of a teacher may be a fairly difficult and subjective matter but I'm also think that with some profs it can become very clear and apparent. I assume this was one of those cases.
And in a case like this, seems to me that people are justified in going out of their way to be heard and to make sure this prof either doesn't teach again or shapes up. Because while I pick my school based on rankings etc. just like everyone else, I'd still like to have good teachers if I can get them. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:14 PM Author: ruby twinkling uncleanness dopamine I guess our readings differed. My view is that he laid it out in a very, here is the law, take it or leave it way. Maybe people wanted to comment on the moral ramifications of certain concepts, and he shot them down. I guess it doesn't matter though. The method of CCing and excessive sarcasm excuses this poster from reaching the merits of her beef. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255865) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:16 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge yeah, fair enough I guess. I still really like what she did but it probably could have been done better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255888) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:53 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate Mandy: "Look, I'm a business major, I know whe the customer is here"
This line is the funniest one I've read in awhile. Reminds of SNL's parody of Star Jones where she keeps repeating, "I'm Star Jones and I'm a lawyer." |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:57 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge I'm right and you know it.
hth |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:01 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate No, as everyone else tried to explain to you, you're not a customer. How many "customers" write to companies or service providers begging to have them as a customer?
A school like NYU needs one particular student a lot less than the student needs NYU.
Also, you and Liz should have some respect for people who have accomplished a lot more than you. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:12 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge "No, as everyone else tried to explain to you, you're not a customer."
You pay money, they provide a service, you are a customer. You only become a customer once you pay them money (deposit). After you have been accepted and paid the money, you are the customer.
"How many "customers" write to companies or service providers begging to have them as a customer?"
You are not a customer at that point. You become the customer after you have been accepted. I do not know how to explain it any more clearly than that but I assure you, law students are customers.
I really don't know where you're going with this. Would you care to try to make a case for the law professors being customers? The law school perhaps? Or are law schools simply not a business at all?
I can't believe I'm even talking about this. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:22 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate Look, Star Jones:
Customers are able to demand a service and receive it for price.
--Students can't demand a particular grade
--Students have no remedy if they don't feel they've been provided the service, as you call it (although you should try to get a refund for your business education)
--An education is an investment that you, the "customer," must equally participate in to derive any benefit from it
The teaching of a law school professor is not the same as the work of a guy painting your house.
HTH
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:39 PM Author: Laughsome Keepsake Machete Kitty Cat i'm sorry, but your star jones insults are fuckin hilarious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256153) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 3:46 AM Author: Cobalt floppy stage trump supporter She's totally right.
There are two customer's for any educational institution that pertain to the students (there are other "customers" as well that are tertiary to the student experience, but I'll disregard). In any event, the customers arise from two of the roles of a professional school,
(1) Education.
(2) Accreditation.
So far as providing the student with an education, the student is ABSOLUTELY a customer of the University and is entitled to act like any other customer with regards to receiving Education. If they are mad they should bitch.
So far as accreditation, the "customer" is mostly employers and professional organizations who might be interested in what students have learned and some measures of their achievement. In this sense, the product is information and the customer is the employers and organizations, not the student.
I'm not saying schools don't serve other customers - the world community, the scientific community, the intellectual community, etc. etc. etc. - but as far as the areas specifically related to students, the student is a customer so far as education goes. |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 8:41 PM Author: arousing sooty antidepressant drug so if i sell some furniture to a pawn shop, i give them goods and they give me cash. does that make them the customer?
the law student / law school relationship is not that of buyer / seller. it's a mutually beneficial exchange, at least in the ideal, in which each party carefully selects the other. how many grocery stores require an eight month application process? how many of their customers will travel across the country to shop at the most prestigious grocery store that will admit them? a much better analogy would be business partners. they carefully select one another and rely on one another. they each invest significant capital in the other, which they are willing to do because they expect for it to pay off. |
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Date: June 20th, 2006 6:48 AM Author: khaki address brethren piss-poor reasoning.
So clientele at highly exclusive nightclubs are not customers but merely partners in a mutually beneficial exchange?
What about high-priced and exclusive restaurants where waiting lists can be up to a year? Same mutually beneficial exchange? So diners are not allowed to complain?
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:26 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate So maturely tell him or tell the dean.
This e-mail is just childish. I can't wait until she writes one of these to a firm partner:
"I'd love to actually do work instead of e-mailing and instant messaging other associates, but the work is tedious and boring. You've done nothing to make it fun for me."
Waaaa! |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:35 PM Author: ruby twinkling uncleanness dopamine bingo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255370) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:37 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge again, her the customer, the law school providing the service.
But I apologize, I don't really understand exactly what happened with the email. Originally I assumed it was just sent to the professor personally, which I think is far more polite than going over someone's head and talking to the Dean, btw. But apparently everyone else got the letter as well? Or did she maybe send it to a friend or two and then it got out? That's what I assumed happened. I agree that if she purposely sent it out to everyone that would be pretty uncalled for. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:39 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car she cc'd the whole class. that's the main issue here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255436) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:55 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge yeah, I must admit, could have done without that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255652) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 6:00 PM Author: Anal twinkling range the whole thing started by the professor opening himself up by bitching out the entire section in a section-wide email. if you're going to bitch out 100 people publicly, the least you should expect is a public response. she merely responded publicly to a public email. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256342) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 6:28 PM Author: light odious puppy main people "the whole thing started by the professor opening himself up by bitching out the entire section in a section-wide email"
Teachers scold their classes all the time. It's part of the job.
"if you're going to bitch out 100 people publicly, the least you should expect is a public response"
Teachers -- especially law professors -- aren't on the same footing as their students. Teachers get to do things their students can't. It's part of the job.
"she merely responded publicly to a public email"
Her tone was inappropriate, unprofessional. His email, apparently, called out the class as a whole for being inattentive, while hers targeted a particular individual. The content of his message required it be sent to everyone. Hers didn't. A private email to the professor offering constructive criticism would have been a better way to go. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 1:14 AM Author: Beady-eyed Hospital Factory Reset Button Exactly. The student could have just dealt with her concerns in anonymous teacher evaluations at the end of each semester, if NYU does conduct them. She had no business CCing the entire class. Shame on her. Makes all of NYU look bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#260101) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:04 PM Author: Jet potus whorehouse might be arrogant or inappropriate, but considering how much she is paying to go there, she has every right to say it, good for her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#254964) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:05 PM Author: diverse indirect expression EARL, does she regret sending it? just curious? |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:07 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon i think she wishes she could reword it, and not send it to everyone.
the whole section is disatisfied with the class, from what I know. I am not in that section and I rather enjoy crim law! |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:18 PM Author: sepia big deer antler it does seem like she could have worded it better. this paragraph doesn't make much sense in context:
"if i may be so bold as to quote one of my fellow students, i believe [name redacted] summed this general issue up quite succinctly earlier in the semester. in response to your half-joking comment referring to your disappointment in students' clothing choices today as opposed to in the past, he said, "the professors used to wear suits too." "
why would she mention this comment?
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:21 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate I think it's just a roundabout way of telling him to look in the mirror on the other probs. of the class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255205) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:17 PM Author: Bull headed shimmering box office Oh, my. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255161) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:19 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon please delete that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255184) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:20 PM Author: Brindle regret church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255198) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:22 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge really? dammit, I didn't really like her.
Well, I take it all back now. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:27 PM Author: Bull headed shimmering box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255273) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:28 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255296) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:31 PM Author: Brindle regret church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255325) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:31 PM Author: Bull headed shimmering box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255333) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:32 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255342) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:33 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car she's obviously not a nice girl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255352) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:35 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate What else is there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255378) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:37 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car nice people don't do stuff like this. maybe if she was insane I could let it go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255420) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:37 PM Author: Bull headed shimmering box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255413) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:38 PM Author: Brindle regret church Exactly. I can see myself doing something like this in a moment of extreme, careless frustration. Does the NYU email system not have recall? That's tough. Email can be a bitch like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255431) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:39 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky so she's an outwardly nice person that loses her shit when she gets stressed.
i dated a girl like that once. let me tell you, when it came down to it she was anything but nice. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:41 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car exactly. those types are the worst. totally unpredictable and psychotic
we should lynch her |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:43 PM Author: Bull headed shimmering box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255506) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:44 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky i am not known for fairness, and neither is this board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255520) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:22 PM Author: Greedy dun mediation locale oops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255224) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:38 PM Author: diverse indirect expression WHAT?
can i get a brief summary of what this post was about? |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:40 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky elizabeth abdnour is a former PR poster. the previous post outed her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255458) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:41 PM Author: diverse indirect expression who was it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255475) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:43 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky i didn't recognize the name. i don't post here much. besides, i'm not in the business of outing.
if her email had included her PR board name, i would have posted that too. but i'm just posting what got forwarded to me. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:47 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255552) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:49 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky earl, my friend, you are just and fair.
please recognize my mercy in not posting her board name. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:50 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon yes oh merciful one. thank you for not smiting us further! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255601) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:51 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky PAY HOMAGE TO ME!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255608) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:54 PM Author: salmon swashbuckling hunting ground tank You are a santcimonious SOB. You screw someone over then act like you are doing them a favor by not further fucking with them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255638) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:55 PM Author: Bull headed shimmering box office This is true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255655) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:57 PM Author: salmon swashbuckling hunting ground tank Seriously... we are supposed to be grateful and appreciative that he stabbed her in the back only once? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255672) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:02 PM Author: diverse indirect expression i think he's being sarcastic... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255721) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:03 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky meme gets the gold star for the day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255730) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:56 PM Author: ruby twinkling uncleanness dopamine in his defense, this young lady has screwed herself over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255660) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:58 PM Author: salmon swashbuckling hunting ground tank In part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255678) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:05 PM Author: aromatic hominid trailer park actually in whole. she's the idiot for sending this out to her entire section. if she wanted it private, she did a hell of a stupid thing. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:10 PM Author: salmon swashbuckling hunting ground tank Maybe she wanted to start a section-wide discussion? I don't think she could have known that someone would post it on PR and out her as a former poster. And even if you think it was inevitable, those who posted it still are responsible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255820) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:12 PM Author: aromatic hominid trailer park basic privacy concept. don't tell anybody what you dont want everybody to know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255842) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:07 PM Author: ruby twinkling uncleanness dopamine Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Don't email things you don't want to come back to haunt you. Don't post your pictures on an internet message board if you don't want strangers to see them.
Also, in case we forget, look both ways before you cross the street and don't help strangers in the park look for their lost puppy, even if they offer you a lollipop as a reward. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:20 PM Author: Metal irate really tough guy feces Excellent point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255936) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:56 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky i'm not screwing her over. she already did that.
i don't even go to NYU, and i already got this email. life's tough. wear a fucking helmet. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:59 PM Author: splenetic jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255689) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:00 PM Author: salmon swashbuckling hunting ground tank I agree. And he should go back into retirement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255703) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:01 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky don't worry. once exams are done, i will leave you people alone.
UNTIL NEXT YEAR!!!!! |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 4:59 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky Subject: THE PLOT THICKENS!!!!!!! ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255690) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:02 PM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car amazing. I was sure sure I was right, and I was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255719) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:03 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky *high-five* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255729) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:03 PM Author: Brindle regret church Were you around when she used to post? This seems very out of character. Scary girl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255734) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:06 PM Author: salmon swashbuckling hunting ground tank What's scary is everybody sitting around criticizing and judging her. Who are you to be so morally superior? You don't know if her actions were justified. Are you in her class? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255764) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:08 PM Author: Brindle regret church Sorry. I actually think she was a terrific poster and this whole incident is very unfortunate. I don't think any less of her. I could see myself doing something like this under extreme circumstances. It's just too bad you can't take things like this back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255786) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:10 PM Author: aromatic hominid trailer park short of trying to rape her, there really is no good reason or outcome for this woman to publicly shame a professor like this. It will not accomplish anything, especially if the prof is tenured. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:14 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate Yes, and none of the criticism was constructive. She wasn't telling him what she liked and where he could've improved, but rather, how she's glad she messed around in class and didn't listen to the lecture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255866) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 10:47 PM Author: Autistic obsidian property Agreed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258660) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:10 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate "You don't know if her actions were justified."
Because this kind of behavior is almost never justified. Discuss it with the prof. and if that doesn't satisfy you, go to the dean.
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 6:46 PM Author: Beady-eyed Hospital Factory Reset Button Julia,
You must be the writer of the email to the professor to post something so ridiculous and laughable. All I know is that it is never appropriate to write such a snide and disrespectful letter to your professor, even if the professor isn't the best prof out there. This is something that I could have seen my classmates doing in HIGH SCHOOL, but definitely not in law school, when we are supposed to be mature adults. I've had profs that were verging on senility. I've had profs that flat-out made fun of students. I've had profs that even hit on students! Still, none of us publicly (and yes, I consider this criticism public by virtue of the fact that all this girl's section-mates received it) would criticize a professor to his or her face, and even if we did, we wouldn't use such harsh and venomous language.
In short, I'm not condemning the letter-writer because she wrote the letter. I'm condemning her tone. There are many ways to express your displeasure without coming across as a classless, egotistical, twit. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:07 PM Author: aromatic hominid trailer park I would venture a guess and state that this girl is probably fairly high maintenance, wouldnt you think? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255775) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:04 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon so do you know her TA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255741) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:06 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky nope. i went to undergrad with a friend of her TA, who sent this to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255755) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:09 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon so her TA, was sharing emails sent by people in the class?
Thats not good. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:11 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky well, i think you have a right to forward emails that you recieve to your friends, especially when they insult you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255832) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:13 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon I suppose you are right. I might have done the same thing.
It would almost be worth it to go scare the TA from her class last semester, but nah... |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:19 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky from what I gather, her TA sent this email to a couple of the TA's friends last semester because the TA was upset. one of those friends recognized the name on the email today and started forwarding it around.
it certainly establishes a pattern that this girl is somebody who needs to learn about the dangers of email. oh yeah, and she's a psycho too. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:11 PM Author: salmon swashbuckling hunting ground tank You are a psychopath. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255834) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:12 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky i don't send psycho scary emails. i just share them for the common good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255843) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:05 PM Author: Buck-toothed appetizing doctorate This is quickly becoming another in the long line of great PR/XOXO stories. But I do feel bad for this girl that her name is out. She made an idiotic mistake ccing this to everyone, but still. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255746) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:05 PM Author: diverse indirect expression she's NUTZ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255749) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:08 PM Author: mildly autistic yarmulke prole She's definitely on a roll.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255793) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:09 PM Author: Metal irate really tough guy feces Saucy! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255805) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:14 PM Author: impressive base Jesus. It's getting really difficult to feel sorry for this bitch^M^M^M^M^M poor girl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255863) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:20 PM Author: onyx naked milk Heh, heh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#255932) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:30 PM Author: Exhilarant indian lodge LOL. maybe this makes me evil but I really do like her. I think I've developed a new crush. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256033) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:28 PM Author: deep contagious garrison why are you publicizing this on here?
pretty fucking inappropriate. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 6:50 PM Author: Beady-eyed Hospital Factory Reset Button What do you mean, inappropriate? This girl isn't going to get death threats or anything. Anyhow, it looks like the NYU community has already learned who this girl is and what she has done. I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers in the New York area know about her antics by now. The OP didn't say anything false about the poster. The only thing questionable was his mention of her name. Honestly, I couldn't give two sh*ts what this girl's name is; she's trash in my eyes regardless. I'm only concerned that she may get harassed or her safety may be threatened by the disclosure of her anonymity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#267547) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:32 PM Author: histrionic heaven circlehead Christ.
This chick did this type of thing twice? She deserves all the negative press she gets for being an unstable cry baby who doesn't know how to maturely address issues she has with her teachers. Her emails show signs of immaturity and instability.
One cannot do shit like this! She lacks understanding of the real world. If I were a firm, I would run in the other direction.
P.S. Earl, you need to do a better job of picking your friends. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 5:40 PM Author: Laughsome Keepsake Machete Kitty Cat i met this girl a few times in high school, frankly i'm not surprised (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256161) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 2:29 PM Author: Slate Wonderful Wagecucks Preventive Strike Was she fat then too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#264559) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 6:02 PM Author: Anal twinkling range people seem to be ignoring the fact that her email was in response to a public email, to which she responded in the exact same forum. the professor treated the section as a mailing list on which to bitch -- at the list itself -- and she simply responded. regardless of the content, good for her for responding to a prof publicly who had the audacity to bitch out the entire section publicly. fuck him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256361) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 6:05 PM Author: Dark electric masturbator quadroon are you in section 1 too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256377) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 6:09 PM Author: Anal twinkling range nah, i go to some ttt law school. just been reading about what happened and surprised that people have forgotten that her email didn't come out of nowhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256409) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:03 PM Author: copper stain I am in section 1...at GULC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258834) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 6:36 PM Author: light odious puppy main people "for responding to a prof publicly who had the audacity to bitch out the entire section publicly"
Teachers scolding their classes is common. It does not require audacity. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:04 PM Author: Anal twinkling range In professional school? If that's true, which it isn't to my knowledge, they deserve whatever backlash they get. Hell, they deserved what they got in fucking grade school.
Fuck the schoolmaster. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 2:30 PM Author: Slate Wonderful Wagecucks Preventive Strike Without his original email, you really can't make claims about its content. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#264579) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 7:24 PM Author: scarlet athletic conference dragon I wish her good luck trying to find a job after this... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#256960) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 9:24 PM Author: Razzle violent principal's office I don't think that will have any reflection on her job prospects. She's a customer here, and spoke out. She might be a poor team player, but this email doesn't necessarily reflect that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258040) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 2:34 PM Author: Slate Wonderful Wagecucks Preventive Strike It will affect her prospects if her employers ever see these e-mails. She is sarcastic and impulsive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#264618) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 9:18 PM Author: rebellious bearded university The e-mail is fine.
CC'ing it to her classmates, in my opinion, justifies harsh retaliatory action on the part of the prof. Whatever she can get away with. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 10:44 PM Author: Autistic obsidian property I disagree. Sending an email like that to a prof is just insane, and nothing good can come of it. She pretty much said "sure I'm a slacker, but you suck..." That was the email sent to a top law prof.
And this *will* hurt her job prospects because anyone with that much gall will not likely have respect towards partners at the firm either.
She fucked up. She didn't pay attention in class. She responded by blaming the prof. She deserves what she gets. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 10:53 PM Author: impressive base Damn, fish. Way to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258707) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:14 PM Author: Autistic obsidian property Hey, the prof is in charge. If one thinks he is negligent in his duties, they ought to take it up with the administration, or send a constructive email to the prof. This was neither, but rather just a personal attack and a public one at that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258953) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:21 PM Author: impressive base Couldn't agree more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#259018) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 10:13 AM Author: Beady-eyed Hospital Factory Reset Button Exactly. If I were the professor, I'd show this email to the administration. Profs have many friends in the legal community. You'd be surprised how fast things spread. The Skadden incident last summer was around the world in, say, 80 seconds, and I don't even think what Jonas did was all that bad (unlike what this girl did).
Bottom line, this girl is NOT someone I'd want working for my firm, even in a janitorial capacity. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 10:15 AM Author: Dashing dog poop gay wizard If the professors sucks it won't help to provide direct evidence of that fact. Sucky professors aren't in short supply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#261675) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 10:17 AM Author: cowardly abnormal bawdyhouse stock car it doesn't matter if the professor sucks. if he's teaching at NYU, he's obviously very prominent. do you really think one immature email from a crazy student is gonna affect his reputation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#261698) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 10:22 AM Author: Dashing dog poop gay wizard I know for a fact it can, so best to leave it alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#261741) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 10:30 AM Author: Autistic obsidian property "If the professors sucks it won't help to provide direct evidence of that fact. Sucky professors aren't in short supply."
Life sucks. Clients suck. Partners suck. Work sucks. And if I'm a hiring partner, I don't want someone who will perform poorly and then blame the firm for their issues of entitlement. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:05 PM Author: copper stain Who gives a shit, let her send letters if she wants to. Maybe the value of sending that email was greater to her than grades or reputation or what a few wierdo's on a law school message board would say about her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258849) |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:10 PM Author: Autistic obsidian property And if that's true, then hey, more power to her.
But in terms of grades and job prospects this *will* hurt her. Keep in mind, other profs at NYU know about this too. |
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Date: April 21st, 2004 11:07 PM Author: Sinister Set Rigor Does anybody have the email from the prof that she was responding to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#258879) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 1:10 AM Author: Motley national security agency pocket flask HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA....
emailing profs is SOOOOOOOO.........get a life!
{and profs know this...trust me} |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 2:05 AM Author: learning disabled curious abode Wow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#260516) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 12:23 PM Author: Gay selfie Subject: FYI to MKYD Re your earlier comment,
"--Students have no remedy if they don't feel they've been provided the service, as you call it (although you should try to get a refund for your business education)"
This is not correct. Students can can file an administrative educational malpractice petition, though I'm not exactly sure how this works and I think it is tough to prevail.
Also, in theory you can sue in state court for civil damages for breach of contract. See recent suits against publicly traded, for-profit schools. No victories for any plaintiff's yet (to my knowledge), but several suits have made it past motions to dismiss.
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 12:29 PM Author: Spectacular overrated associate I said, "no remedy," because I've never heard of any successful lawsuits, and lenders specifically state that students must repay loans, even if they feel the quality of their education was not up to par. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#263113) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 1:49 PM Author: Gay selfie yeah, I guess for all intents and purposes you are right.
i think shitty profs actually do serve a purpose, though of course this does not detract from the arguments against them. They force you to learn how to "deal," how to learn on your own, which will be highly useful when you are working for a partner who doesn't explain anything and just expects you to turn in a stellar product. They also may serve to some extent in allowing students to vent and bond and shit, sort of like what a drill sargeant does for soldiers in boot camp. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 7:48 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone low-t tanning salon Just to clear up some stuff here. I am in Subin's class and received both emails. The professor is a great professor and he is one of the funniest, most personable professors at NYU. Everyone I know, and admittedly, I don't hang out with people who play online games the entire class, but everyone I know thinks he is a great professor. His email was not bitching anybody out. In yesterday's class, he gave a speech which was an implicit response to the email without ever mentioning the actual email, and most of the class burst into applause after he gave it. Before that, about half of the class had written emails to him in support. I don't know the girl that wrote the email (but I guess I do now, as does everybody else), but I was infuriated when I read it, and as far as I know, just about everybody else in that class was too. The fact that this is hitting her back about 1000 times as hard seems pretty just to me. Point is, I wanted to clear up this idea about her having a sucky professor who deserved this, which is the farthest thing from the truth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#267816) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 7:50 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky holla.
could you post the initial prof's email? |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:03 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone low-t tanning salon I'm tempted to, just to show how innocuous and on-the-money it was, but I'd rather not out of respect for the professor.
Basically, people wanted the exam length shortened from 24 hours to 8 hours and the only real reason given was that people were worried that someone might use the entire 24 hours to do it and do better than them. About half the class wanted 8 hours, and there seemed to me to be a pretty high correlation between those who wanted 8 hours and those who fucked around the entire semester. The gist of the email was that the professor wasn't buying the "I'm afraid someone will do better than me" reasoning for changing the exam time, and he said that those who had spent a lot of time and energy on this class shouldn't have their time shortened as a way of leveling the playing field for others. That was pretty much it, and it made total sense to me and many others. Not to sound like a nerd, but the 50% of the class or so that are truly interested in the class were pretty much in line with the professor on all this. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:06 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky makes sense to me, thanks for the input.
earl's objections to the contrary, i stand by my opinion that this girl is a TOTAL FUCKING RAGING PSYCHO CUNT WHORE DOUCHEBAG.
and no, i'm not taking her name off this, ever. my new insult to people that are whiny bitches on here will be to call them "liz abdnour". fuck this twat. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:17 PM Author: Jet-lagged Cruise Ship Ladyboy Why would people who knew the material well want a longer exam? Wouldn't it be the other way around? A shorter exam would require greater knowledge, since one wouldn't have as much time to look things up, learn as they go, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#267984) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:18 PM Author: Grizzly razzle-dazzle hall Exactly. Digman's post makes absolutely no sense. And so does the prof's reasoning. I've read the original email, which was an incoherent rambling condescending monologue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#267993) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:20 PM Author: Bull headed shimmering box office You seem right. More time to look stuff up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#268005) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 7:56 PM Author: aphrodisiac travel guidebook I heard the same thing from a student in your class. She said the girl is a moron and the prof is great. She sent him an email in support. I hear this is his last semester? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#267879) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 7:57 PM Author: aphrodisiac travel guidebook where you there when the girl walked out during the discussion on rape? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#267886) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:08 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone low-t tanning salon I've never missed a class, but I don't recall that. There was a time when a very kind and well-meaning girl rebuked him for making a joke in class that was about rape. The joke wasn't about rape, and I thought it was fine. I disagreed with her for making such a knee-jerk reaction, but it made sense where she was coming from. But no, I don't remember any walkouts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#267935) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:22 PM Author: aphrodisiac travel guidebook My mistake...the same girl walked out of class the class after the rape-joke, not during the class in which the joke was made. Perhaps it wasn't a blatant walk-out, but I heard from a student who viewed it as pretty disrespectful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#268022) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:24 PM Author: Grizzly razzle-dazzle hall LOL. Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#268036) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:26 PM Author: aphrodisiac travel guidebook It's disrespectful to insult a prof one day and walk out of his class the next day... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#268048) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:30 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone low-t tanning salon I really don't know what the story was with that; I wasn't under the impression that it had anything to do with what was going on in class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#268079) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:14 PM Author: Know-it-all useless forum becky what was this professor's attitude toward class discussion? was he a prof that tried to keep class directed and moving forward rather than allowing lots of discussion? that seems to be the gist of her email.
i know all the left-wingers in my classes have hated profs like that, but that anyone who actually wants to learn the law loves them. i don't pay 30K a year to listen to mindless babble from fellow students when i could be hearing what actual profs have to say. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:25 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone low-t tanning salon He was very encouraging and a number of times he said he wanted there to be more. The crazy thing about all this is that this girl has never raised her hand or spoken a single fucking word in any of our classes, and the few times she was called on she sort of stumbled through a five word response. So I've got no clue what she's talking about in her email. She just seems like some rich kid who just ended up going to law school without thinking through the fact that she was actually going to have learn about the law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#268041) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2004 8:19 PM Author: diverse indirect expression yup just as i thought.
she's psycho and horrible/ |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 7:14 PM Author: Metal irate really tough guy feces Memorial bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6022794) |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 8:23 PM Author: Navy indecent ape this girl is just as much of an idiotic bitch as it seems, btw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6023392) |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 8:42 PM Author: arousing sooty antidepressant drug i hate that. i just read the thread and replied throughout only to realize too late that it's over two years old, thus selfpwn1ng. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6023498) |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 9:03 PM Author: Judgmental charcoal stead dumbfuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6023641) |
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Date: June 19th, 2006 9:05 PM Author: arousing sooty antidepressant drug ::takes it:: (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6023660) |
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Date: June 20th, 2006 8:32 AM Author: flesh vibrant jap What ended up happening to this chick? What grade did she get + where is she now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6026174) |
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Date: June 20th, 2006 9:32 AM Author: Metal irate really tough guy feces I'm not sure, if you search lizalina you'll pull up a few threads with her but that's about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=15768&forum_id=2#6026229) |