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Georgetown 3L BASHES HER SCHOOL and Speaks the Truth about GULC
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:24 PM Author: Chestnut nowag From a Georgetown 3L that posts on xanga and comments on other webblogs: -------------------------------------------------------- My two cents, as a Gtown 3L...
First, Gtown's journals suck. Absolutely suck. This hurts us. I sat on the Law Center's Publications committe last year, and I brought to the committee's attention several instances of all our public interest journals publishing articles citing statutes that were repealed in 1997 as support for current legal arguments (this was 2003). The rampant proliferations of crappy journals on gtown's campus has SEVERELY injured our esteem in the professional world, let alone hurt our ranking. I chose not to do a journal, and to my surprise, I was commended on that wise choice repeatedly during interviews. Sad.
Second, we built the new buildings so we could ACCEPT MORE STUDENTS. Um, hello? This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of a school doing, and will undoubtedly cause us to fall in the rankings, not improve. Many professionals see gtown as a "law factory" and not a school, churning out huge numbers of alumni who have had absolutely no individualized attention throughout the course of their legal studies. At the rate we're going, we'd have to add TEN new tenured faculty members each year to provide something even close to what other schools can provide to their students in terms of small classes and faculty attention.
In my humble opinion, Georgetown has set itself up for a rankings-slide. When choosing a law school, I chose Gtown over Penn, Michigan and Columbia precisely because of the variety of classes gtown offered, the variety of clinical programs, and the amazing bar passage and employment stats. I have spent the past three years awed by the kind of attention that my friends got at Penn, Michigan, and Columbia, and I have been merely one more among the herds at Georgetown. I am so glad that I will graduate in May and watch my degree continue to depreciate.
As a soon-to-be professional, I do not plan on hiring gtown grads when I am in a position to recruit, precisely because I am personally acquainted with the crappy legal education they received. I would not be at all surprised to find Georgetown lower in the rankings next year. Posted 4/10/2005 at 4:59 PM by mas88.
Her xanga is: http://www.xanga.com/skin.asp?user=mas88. This comment was found on another GULC student's xanga. ------------------------------------------------------- This goes to show-for all you GULC trolls-the school is exactly what this board has been saying all along: TTT! (they also like to say they are "underrated" like Duke's Dean. Such a joke!) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:26 PM Author: Exciting underhanded resort "Many professionals see gtown as a "law factory" and not a school, churning out huge numbers of alumni who have had absolutely no individualized attention throughout the course of their legal studies."
This is very, very true. It hurts its reputation immensely. |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:27 PM Author: razzle-dazzle balding philosopher-king The fact that bar passage rates awed her says it all.
EDIT: The employment stats awed her? How were GULC employment stats better looking than Columbia, Penn, Michigan, etc.? |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:36 PM Author: Fragrant mother Probably, she's lying about turning down those schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529496) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 1:18 PM Author: Ruddy indian lodge pozpig not sure she's lying, but, from my perspective, her reasons for picking Gtown over those schools are not compelling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2928540) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:27 PM Author: stirring cumskin theater stage Does faculty attention really matter - the last thing I want is faculty attention. I want to limit my interactions as much as possible with them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529445) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: Unhinged skinny woman school cafeteria really? why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529452) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:30 PM Author: stirring cumskin theater stage I don't like the academic aspects of school! But does it really cause a downward slide in rankings? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529457) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: razzle-dazzle balding philosopher-king If anything all the spending should bring about a short term increase, all else equal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529462) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:27 PM Author: Brass Alpha Her writing could use some work.
"The rampant proliferations of crappy journals on gtown's campus has SEVERELY injured our esteem in the professional world, let alone hurt our ranking."
'Let alone' does not seem to be the expression that she wants. |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: effete big hospital mood maybe the expression she was digging for was "and"
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:32 PM Author: Brass Alpha Yes, but "and" doesn't sound as prestigious as "let alone". She seems to crave prestige, which she does not find at GULC, and so attempts to create prestige for herself.
She is the anti-174.
She is the 164. |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:33 PM Author: razzle-dazzle balding philosopher-king Was she really so misguided to think GULC was more prestigious than Columbia and Penn? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529476) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:36 PM Author: Brass Alpha GULC != SWeeT, let alone C.
Therefore, yes. She should apply her own future hiring practices on herself by rejecting all of her applications. |
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Date: November 22nd, 2005 12:06 PM Author: aphrodisiac cruise ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#4356422) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:50 PM Author: Fragrant mother Again, there's a good chance she's lying about ever getting into either of those. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529594) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:33 PM Author: effete big hospital mood I'd say more like the 158/169 split. (she had the flu the first time, and only slept for like 3 hours) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529478) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:30 PM Author: Saffron library Subject: she meant "not to say" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529460) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:36 PM Author: topaz contagious blood rage base She must have finished in the bottom half, and is now bitter. Who goes to G-town over Penn and Columbia because of the number of classes available? Please. Most of us care about one thing: money. Which school is going to make it the easiest for me to make lots of it? Her decision-making skills are TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529501) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:38 PM Author: Brass Alpha Evidently. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529517) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:44 PM Author: Saffron library Subject: i'd choose GULC /w full ride over any school short of YHS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529547) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:46 PM Author: topaz contagious blood rage base The key phrase being "free ride". I'm speaking about an even field. Would you choose it over Columbia with no money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529553) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:49 PM Author: jet sick famous landscape painting volcanic crater And you'd deserve it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529573) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:53 PM Author: glittery indirect expression dysfunction "Her writing could use some work.
"The rampant proliferations of crappy journals on gtown's campus has SEVERELY injured our esteem in the professional world, let alone hurt our ranking."
'Let alone' does not seem to be the expression that she wants."
The fact Gtown accepted her, in light of this, doesn't say much for them either.
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Date: June 4th, 2005 1:01 PM Author: unholy organic girlfriend haunted graveyard I don't see what is wrong with the use of "let alone." It is perfectly acceptable. Her point is that the crappy journals have hurt both Gtown's professional reputation as well as its ranking, but the latter is simply much less important. I think this board's focus on ranking has skewed your ability to understand rational writing.
What is questionable is her redundant use of the phrase "rampant proliferations." I'm surprised that you quoted that sentence and didn't even pick up on this. "Proliferations" would have been enough. But I'm guessing she was writing in anger. |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 7:33 PM Author: Comical lavender hunting ground ceo I'm a GULC 3L. I'm not on a journal, so can't comment on that part. But I think she's just wrong on her facts about the second. The new buildings are a gym and an office/journals/library/small classrooms building. They won't allow GULC to accept more students (and I've never heard that was the purpose).
I've only ever attended GULC, so I can't comment on individualized attention at other schools. But you can certainly find small classes and individualized attention at GULC. Maybe it's a little tougher to find--there are a lot of students--but it's there. |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 9:05 PM Author: citrine voyeur I think she is right that journals are a waste of time at GULC. Your time is better spent involving yourself in clinics and externships. I have been told in multiple interviews that the clinics and externship opportunities are more respected by firms than any journal except main.
The low quality of work done on journals maybe be related to the fact that: (1) GULC's LR&W program is horrible; and (2) GULC does not give class credit for journal participation, the competition here is fierce, and students care more about grades.
GULC is a big school. I think this is driven more by the needs of Georgetown University rather than anything else. GU has had severe fiscal problems since the early 90's, which culminated with the sale of their Hospital. Law schools are massive money makers (I've heard, anecdotally, that the entire cost of our education is paid off in the first year). The law school is probably balancing the University's budget right now.
I think the biggest problem with GULC is the crazy hiring choices they have made the past couple years. They have made at least 3 offers in the past two years to no-name academics who have yet to prove themselves, while failing to make offers to David Bernstien or Todd Zywicki, who publish like mad and are nationally renowned in their fields. We'll see if they let Randy Barnett slip through their fingers too (I'm sure they will).
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Date: April 12th, 2005 10:08 AM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Whorehouse Selfie "GULC is a big school. I think this is driven more by the needs of Georgetown University rather than anything else."
this seems very likely. |
Date: April 10th, 2005 5:54 PM Author: Chestnut nowag apparently she was not thinking straight. there is only one school in the T14 that i would take georgetown 100% over-boalt hall (only because of location, probably duke as well because i could not imagine living in durham for 3 yrs). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529625) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:54 PM Author: glittery indirect expression dysfunction Hm. I respect your individual feeling, but I think most would say the Bay area is at least as nice as D.C. (probably better).
And the faculty at Boalt is much better. |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:57 PM Author: Startling kink-friendly therapy spot I'd have chosen GULC over Penn, Cornell, Northwestern and maybe Michigan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529645) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 5:58 PM Author: vibrant filthpig why is that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529656) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:55 PM Author: glittery indirect expression dysfunction Texas over those schools too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2530103) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:19 PM Author: Galvanic lilac meetinghouse I would've taken UCLA and USC, and maybe Hastings, over GULC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529797) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:55 PM Author: glittery indirect expression dysfunction UCLA, probably yes (for me). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2530106) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 4:44 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage Agree about UCLA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2929821) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 4:46 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle Why? I didn't (yup, I got into UCLA and USC.. nope, I didn't apply to hastings). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2929846) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 5:09 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage Excellent school, beautiful campus, great weather. The location is in the best part of LA. And if you want to practice in LA your considered top. DC just seems like a horrible place to spend 3 years, especially where GULC is located. Plus I think to laymen UCLA is considered a better school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930043) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 5:22 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle I disagree on all counts except the weather. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930143) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:02 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage Have you ever visited UCLA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930445) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:04 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle Nope. Sorry, I missed the "in the best part of LA" thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930456) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:07 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage I know GULC is a good school, but if you don't keep up with US News rankings, I think it would be a toss up for most people as to which school is better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930479) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:17 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle I don't care about usnews.. just the employment stats, grades needed for firms, and rep according to lawyers i know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930547) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:24 PM Author: curious gay messiness police squad GULCism,
now that you're at GULC, do you think you made the right decision for law school (over all the other schools you passed up) regarding the criteria you mentioned above?
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:26 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle Yeah, but I am applying to transfer to some better schools. Hopefully chicago will take me this time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930592) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:29 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage If you don't mind my asking, where else did you apply? Columbia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930597) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:30 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle The first time around? Or now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930606) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:31 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage Now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930612) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:32 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle HYSCCN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930619) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:33 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage Waitlisted the first time around? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930629) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:35 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle Rejected from all 6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930641) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:41 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal Stage What are the students like at GULC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930690) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:47 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle Well we have 2000 of them.. it's impossible to generalize. You will find many examples of all types of people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930725) |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:30 PM Author: curious gay messiness police squad i know this is a vague question, but hypothetically,
if you were at Boalt, would you have attempted to transfer out? |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:32 PM Author: Chest-beating Wrinkle If I was at boalt I would have been a total slacker and it wouldn't be an option. lol
But yeah, if I could get into HYSCCN, I would. |
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Date: June 4th, 2005 6:32 PM Author: curious gay messiness police squad thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2930623) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:44 PM Author: cerebral rose parlor gtown is the best law school in dc. that's really all it has going for it... but that's a lot. you can spend your three years learning law in the center of our government. there's something to be said for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2529999) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:56 PM Author: glittery indirect expression dysfunction But not much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2530108) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 7:35 PM Author: rambunctious bright den rigor If you are PT you can get some valuable work experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2530406) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 7:27 PM Author: exhilarant black woman "you can spend your three years learning law in the center of our government. there's something to be said for that."
blahahahahaha!
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Date: April 10th, 2005 6:59 PM Author: fantasy-prone brethren boistinker did she take it down? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2530138) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 7:50 PM Author: razzle-dazzle balding philosopher-king Looks like it, no longer up on her blog. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2530536) |
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Date: April 10th, 2005 7:52 PM Author: Exciting underhanded resort Was it ever up in the first place? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2530548) |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 7:21 AM Author: multi-colored main people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2541452) |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 9:12 AM Author: Ruby turdskin she's interviewing at a talent agency (if she was congratulated on her brilliant move not to be on journal during her interviews why is she jobless?) and experiencing a "long spiral of helplessness, and desperation" along with "waking up in the night with gripping fear and axiety .... pacing the house at odd hours and writing terrible essays about my fear and desperation."
I don't mean to judge, but, I think she has bigger problems than the law school she's at. |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 9:32 AM Author: Talented Sapphire Trailer Park Friendly Grandma "if she was congratulated on her brilliant move not to be on journal during her interviews why is she jobless?"
It's just polite for interviewers to say that. Congratulating them is a polite prompt to explain their situation, and should be read as "You have 30 seconds to explain why we should consider hiring you, despite the fact that you're not on a journal."
What are they gonna say? "Damn, you really fucked yourself by not getting on a journal. 80% of GULC students who try out for journals get onto one; I guess you're part of that lowly, untalented bottom 20%." |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 9:47 AM Author: Ruby turdskin "It's just polite for interviewers to say that."
Correct. |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 9:39 AM Author: Hilarious lemon point Are the journals at Georgetown really any worse than the ones at other top schools? In all cases, they're run by clueless law students with virtually no expertise on the subjects of the articles they select, and only slightly more knowledge of proper editing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2541636) |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 9:50 AM Author: Ruby turdskin No.
In fact, they rank well (above their LS rank): http://law.wlu.edu/library/mostcited/index.asp |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 10:08 AM Author: Fishy demanding church building place of business I believe the OP was referring to the journals, not the LR. The next journal on the list ranks #85ish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2541698) |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 12:49 PM Author: Ruby turdskin It's actually 68.
But, the point is the GULC journals places comparably well vs. even other schools main journals - and especially other schools secondary journals. |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 7:37 PM Author: Chestnut nowag oh shut it. you're school is at the very bottom of the T14. stop trying to make yourself feel better for going to the law school version of the willy wonka factory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2544793) |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 10:28 PM Author: flirting nighttime school Learn how to spell, dumbass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2546105) |
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Date: April 12th, 2005 8:48 PM Author: Stubborn death wish why the hell would they build a new library and gym so they could admit more students? I didn't see any new classrooms while I was there. I'm pretty sure this person is full of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=163418&forum_id=2#2545255) |