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What is it like to attend a TTT? [174]
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:32 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube What is it like to attend a festering TTT? I’m genuinely curious- this is not flame. I’ve been in the most elite private institutions beginning at a very young age, and as such I just don’t know what it’s like to attend a TTT. Are the classes competitive? Do the teaches have prestigious degrees, or did they attend TTTs as well? Do you go to class in jeans and “hoodies,” or do you wear RL Purple Label polos and blazers like elite students? Do the students realize their TTT status, or do they pretend to be smart/important?
I really need these questions answered, as I just don’t know what it’s like to attend public school. Are there a lot of minorities?
Thanks, 174
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:33 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry I wear a gown and bow-tie at my utterly festering TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563116) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:34 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Interesting. Is that common TTT etiquette? I've hear the legend of students wearing pajamas to class.
Also, which festering toilet do you attend? |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:36 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Oxford. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563131) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:37 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube That explains the gown. Europeans are faggy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563142) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:37 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry If you only knew... if you only knew... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563143) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:37 AM Author: talking private investor Boo-yah! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563145) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:38 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Dude, I still can't even get the sun newspaper online here, but of course I can check out that fucking storm front page. Oxford is the definition of "Most Prestigious TTT". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563151) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:39 AM Author: talking private investor Isn't that NYU? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563159) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:42 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube NYU isn't prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563173) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:42 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry I have to wear dark suit, white bow-tie (yes, white), gown, dark socks, and formal shoes to TAKE EXAMS. Oh yeah, and I *still* can't access ebaumsworld. I guess that Oxford is still more prestigious than all of 174's schools.
Oxford recognizes degrees from only 3 institutions in the world: Oxford, Cambridge, and Trinity.
As far as Oxford is concerned, 174 has no degrees and will have no degrees.
PWNIIID |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:44 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube I'm perfectly secure with my Princeton/Harvard stas. Oxford/Cambridge are decent, but Trinity is shit. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563187) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:46 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Fine, be secure with your Princeton/Harvard "degrees". You couldn't even wear a grad cap here if you wanted. It's true, Trinity is shit, but at least it can still be recognized here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563195) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:46 AM Author: talking private investor WTF is Trinity? HYS? HYP? What do you mean recognizes?
What the fuck -- do you have a pic of yourself wearing this shit? So Joe has to wear this shit for his Rhodes? |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:47 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube No shit- as if Trinity is even worthy to cower in HYP's shadow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563196) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:49 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Trinity is a school in Ireland. It also shouldn't be confused with Trinity College at Ox or Cam, or Trinity Hall at Cambridge.
I don't have a picture of myself wearing that shit now, but I can get you a photo of some people I know... one sec...
http://www.sunnykishore.com/wst_page5.php?idx=1&file=images/BrownTown.jpg&&ID2=fKflpQ |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:50 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Care to explain why the guy second to the right is grabbing the other guy's cock? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563208) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:52 AM Author: talking private investor 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563215) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:54 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry It's what Rhode Scholars do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563224) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:51 AM Author: talking private investor LOL
Who's the chick there? Is she ready to blow Apu? |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:52 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube She'll have to act fast before the cock grabber beats her to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563216) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:53 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry We call her "porno kate". she's belgian. she has inflato-titties. like FFs. She's a whore. she's a parody of herself, unintentionally. we mock her all the time. and, yes, we call her 'porno kate' to her face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563218) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:55 AM Author: talking private investor Nice. So who does she fuck? Your Dutch friend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563227) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:57 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry She just finished fucking a french engineer (apparently, they are very prestigious in france - tells you how TTT france is). the odd thing is that she thinks that she's better than everybody in the house. she doesn't realize that the only sex that she could get here is the 'hate-fucked-to-death' fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563231) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:58 AM Author: talking private investor My out-of-the-blue theory on why an engr is prestigious in Frog-land... Skilled profession that fills a necessity. In a socialist country, you're not going to make a ton of $$ as a business tycoon, so having a decent-paying government engineering job could be prestigious. Am I correct?
So have you had your turn with her? |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:00 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Yeah, you are correct on that. A french girl explained that to me. I didn't take my turn, but that's because I insulted her when we met.
And then the next time we spoke.
And the time after that.
Adeo huc. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:01 AM Author: talking private investor So have any of these indian dudes fucked her? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563247) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:03 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry No, but that's because none of us want to fuck her. She really is a parody of herself. I wish that I had a video of her walking in high heels. It's 2400 points worthy.
On the LSAT grading scale. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:05 AM Author: talking private investor Is she diseased? Why not fuck her if she's easy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563260) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:06 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry No idea. Because the rest of us ooze prestige. And we don't want our prestige to make a baby with her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563261) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:07 AM Author: talking private investor What's she doing at Ox then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563264) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:08 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry sucking up the prestige from frenchmen.
that should tell you everything that you need to know. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:01 AM Author: Insanely creepy chrome windowlicker I thought you were RWA, you fooled me dammit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563248) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:53 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube I didn't know Courtney Love went to Oxford. How TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563219) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:54 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry I am sharing this gem with the whole fucking graduate house. Thank you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563226) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:56 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Anytime. Posts like that are why I am the most prestigious law board poster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563230) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:57 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry I still say second most. I am fairly certain that I have more prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563233) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:07 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube There's really no need to fight, as we can both sit back and laugh at the rest of the human race for the rest of our lives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563266) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:09 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Precisely. As my utterly prestigious professor once told me, "Why do we study the classics? So we can pretentious assholes; and smug and superior to everybody else." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563277) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:11 AM Author: talking private investor Hahah, nice.
As my utterly prestigious professor once told me, "Why do we study mathematics? So we can pretentious assholes; and laugh at the classics majors when they're too stupid to split the check at the restaurant." (I just made that up) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:13 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry What's really funny about that is that among my friends, even the math DPhils (Ox is the only place that calls doctorates "DPhil") don't do math like that as quickly as me. I then bring up the PWN4G3 of being PWNIIID in math by a classicist. Sad really.
In the classics, we are utterly concerned with prestige. Nothing is more important. In fact, most classics depts. are the richest depts. at the most prestigious schools because it was the mark of the upper class. And those rich upper class people gave those depts. cashola. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:18 AM Author: talking private investor LOL. So if one wants to be the most prestigious classicist, what is after this? Is there a SCOTUS clerkship equivalent? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563299) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:21 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Yes, and I am the only living graduate to be on pace to do it. I have studied with the most prestigious, and greatest, living latinist who comes from a tradition of the greatest textual critics. I worked with him personally. Nobody under the age of 50 can say that except for me.
I also have a short article on a textual emendation that I imagined that could be published soon. So, as classics go, that's utterly prestigious.
I've also worked with 3 people who won the Macarthur genius award. Not bad, eh? |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:26 AM Author: talking private investor Wow, prestigious. What the hell is a textual emendation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563313) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:28 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry There is no such thing as a perfect classical text. even the best latin and greek texts have manuscript variations. these are caused by papyrus that are incomplete, manuscripts with variants, or scribes who miscopied. Sometimes, we're not even sure whether the work is genuine (or written by somebody else in the style of the alleged author).
Textual critics go through the manuscript history and variations and try to figure out what the author actually wrote, and how the variations/mistakes arose. I came up with an emendation, which means that I read a text, saw something strage, and made a suggestion for what the text really should be. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:32 AM Author: talking private investor So finding these strange mistakes is prestigious? This sort of sounds like writing a case comment on a recent SCt decision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563328) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:35 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Very prestigious. If you go to a book store and you look at an OCT (oxford classical text) for Greek or Latin, you'll see an app crit (apparatus criticus) at the bottom of the page. This lists all the major manuscript variations and suggestions by previous editors (and this includes editors over the last 2,000 years).
So, making a good suggestions means getting your name on the bottom of the page forever, and, even if you're not right, it'll be on the page (as a suggestion) - and the only way that they'll discover that you're "wrong" is if a text were to somehow appear that were, indisputably, in the hand of the original author. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:38 AM Author: talking private investor Wow. That's prestige. Fuck the HLR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563337) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:41 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Yeah, so when my tutor told me that I should publish my suggestion in one of the most prestigious classical publications, I knew that I had struck gold. I probably ought to contact him about that.
Math+ CCN (magna, possibly, too) is still very, very prestigious. Let's face it, we're also G-d's chosen people, so we're exceptionally prestigious. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:45 AM Author: talking private investor But our chosen people didn't choose the oil in the middle east. We let the sandniggers take it all! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563345) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:48 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Yeah, Golda Meir quipped on that about Moshe. Let's face it, though, now we don't depend on what's going to be an obsolete source of energy, and instead we have a technological industry that is disproportionately influential to our small population. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563350) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:08 AM Author: talking private investor I think I have you covered in practical prestige. CCN magna (hopefully) should top Oxford classics in earning potential. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563276) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:10 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry It would, if I intended to use this degree for anything other than prestige factors. This is just a stepping stone for some other prestigious thing.
Though I do commend your practical-prestige. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:12 AM Author: talking private investor Right. Are you a ___ Scholar of some sort? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563283) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:14 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry I decline to say anything on this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563291) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:34 AM Author: drab electric furnace people who are hurt What is it like to attend a festering TTT?
I dunno MC seems to like Northwestern so it can't be all bad. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:35 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube PWN3D! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563127) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:56 AM Author: Milky arousing community account weed whacker What is it like to attend a prestigious school? I’m genuinely curious- this is not flame. I’ve been in the poorest institutions beginning at a very young age, and as such I just don’t know what it’s like to attend an elite school. Are the classes competitive? Do the teaches have TTT degrees, or did they attend prestigious schools as well? Do you go to class in suits and or do you wear jeans and "hoodies" like TTT students? Do the students realize their elite status, or do they pretend to be stupid/humble?
I really need these questions answered, as I just don’t know what it’s like to attend private school. Are there a lot of white kids?
Thanks,
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:57 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry I like how you kept his typos, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563396) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:59 AM Author: Milky arousing community account weed whacker Sorry, they never taught grammar at my TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563397) |
Date: April 15th, 2005 3:35 AM Author: contagious pistol 174, this board has missed your prestigiousness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563128) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:36 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Thanks, I've been busy lately. Work has been getting out of hand. I really thought that if my dad landed me a prestigious medical fellowship that I could just sit back and mock the peons. These fucking tools are making me work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563132) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:36 AM Author: Milky arousing community account weed whacker STFU ElGreco (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563138) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:37 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Hey, you must not have missed the memo- the ElGreco jokes are so last year. My name is Chris and I went to Princeton. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563146) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:39 AM Author: talking private investor The first law school class I ever sat in on was at Whittier Law School (a FTT in Calif.). The professor mostly lectured, and it really didn't seem much different than some of my classes at my prestigious CCN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563157) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:41 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Interesting. How were the students? Did they raise their hands to pontificate about personal anecdotes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563171) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:45 AM Author: talking private investor Nobody really spoke that much. The prof threw out a few questions but didn't call on people, and people volunteered answers. And, a couple people asked questions. Of course, I don't know if the people said stupid things because I didn't know a thing about contracts at the time. But, nothing stuck me as totally fucked up. People just answered the question or asked one, unlike these fags at my school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563188) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:45 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Where do you go? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563191) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:46 AM Author: talking private investor CCN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563194) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:48 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Nice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563201) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:54 AM Author: talking private investor I'm prestigious college and LS wise, but I went to a TTT public school (was valedictorian, though). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563223) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:55 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube That's not too bad then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563228) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:50 AM Author: talking private investor As for the profs, I think the guy went to HLS. He seemed to like teaching and seemed like a nice guy; I talked to him for a bit after class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563206) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:51 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Hmmm...so is my life philosophy seriously deficient? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563212) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:53 AM Author: talking private investor This guy probably went to HLS, practiced in biglaw and made come cash, and then took a cushy faculty position that doesn't require publishing BS law review articles. And, he probably has $$ and gets to live in Newport Beach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563221) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:03 AM Author: jet nighttime garrison travel guidebook the guy probably works less than 20 hours a week on average for a six figure salary. and like rwa said he probably spent some time in biglaw first. plus at a lot of FTTs the profs still do consulting/practice on the side, because they dont have to publish.
on a strictly per hour basis, tenured law prof has got to be one of the best things to do with a law degree. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:06 AM Author: talking private investor YLJ/HLR article = prestige
Consulting/practice == $$$$ |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:09 AM Author: jet nighttime garrison travel guidebook indeed. nice name swap btw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563278) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:12 AM Author: talking private investor Thanks. It is obvious that the black guy was a dud, so I thought this would be cool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563284) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:45 AM Author: Racy multi-billionaire gunner RL Purple Label is lower than shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563190) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:48 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Not for going to class it isn't.
All my suits are Brioni and Kiton and cost more than most people's cars. Basically you can STFU because the tie I wore today costs more than your wardrobe. HTH |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:51 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry How many prestige points do I get for being the first person to translate a text, and for wearing trousers that were made by one of the oldest clothiers in the world, which also makes the official royal-formal garb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563214) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:54 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Both are highly prestigious, I commend you on these fine accomplishments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563225) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:30 AM Author: marvelous henna old irish cottage crackhouse "the tie I wore today costs more than your wardrobe"
This is a laudable accomplishment of your own. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:33 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Thanks, I thought it was highly prestigious. It's almost TOO prestigious, to the point of awkward. How can I possibly take someone seriously when my tie is more expensive than their suit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563329) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:38 AM Author: marvelous henna old irish cottage crackhouse Thought you were still here, 174.
Your quandary is all too real. One time in Laos our tour guide knocked my camera off the dinner table. It was worth more than his life. Same kind of awkwardness. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:40 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube That's really awkward, I'm not sure what the appropriate social response is. I mean, can you just say, "That costs more than your life, your children, your wife and your home?" Or is the appropriate response to simply glare at him with disdain and a knowing look that says, "I could buy your whole country if I wanted"?
Issues like this make being elite quite burdensome. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:42 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry If you are truly elite, you need only look at him with contempt for him to commit some form of ritual suicide that doesn't destroy his internal organs so that his family can sell them to replace your broken property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563342) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:43 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube Ahahaha, nice!
Edit: this raises an interesting issue- does the rest of human society feel honored to serve our elite interests? I say yes. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:49 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Yes. I could give you a lengthy explanation in terms of ancient roman gift exchange (patronage), but it really isn't necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563353) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:01 AM Author: arrogant nursing home Xenia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563363) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:03 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry That's the Greek form of hospitality.
In English, we call it "sodomy".
If you want a real explanation of patronage/gift exchange, I would be happy to give it. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:09 AM Author: arrogant nursing home Let's hear it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563366) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:20 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry In a patronage, a person of a higher social order or rank, for the romans were highly attuned to such social stratifications, would give something to somebody below him. this gift, which does not need to be a physicall good, creates a sense of 'gratia' - favor - in the recipient.
The recipient then feels a sense of gratitude (related to gratia) to the benefactor, and the recipient will continue to 'repay' the benefactor with subsequent gifts or support (e.g. political support).
Let's say that I'm your superior in this sort of environment. I use my influence (auctoritas) in order to give you a really prestigious internship. Your sense of gratitude is immense. Even if you then give me support to get me into a more prestigious office (let's say, for me to become one of the consuls), you still feel as though you are indebted to me because I gave the initial gift.
Now, when I do something for you, it's in your interest to ensure that people are aware of my patronage for you because then people know that you are connected to the elite (it's kind of like being able to name-drop). this ensures that, though you may not have climbed up the social ladder a lot, you are now slightly higher than you were.
So, in Rome, the clients (the recipients of a benefactor's patronage) would give small gifts to the patron in the morning to try to remain on the patron's good side (and to receive continued benefaction). Thus, the initial gift can never be fully repaid. Those of a lower social rung will remain forever ingratiated to the patron of a higher status. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:27 AM Author: arrogant nursing home You explained Xenia so quickly that I would like to ask whether an ongoing exchange of invaluable gifts between social equals may be captured by an expression that draws from that term.
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:37 AM Author: Federal Dingle Berry Again, 'xenia' is a Greek term for a Greek concept. I was discussing the roman concept of a "gift exchange economy". There is a term, euergetism (it's a Greek word), that captures the sense of giving, but it does not need to occur between social equals.
There is a "mystification of time" when it comes to giving and returning favors/gifts. Seneca wrote about this issue of time. If I give you something, and then you quickly give me something, your gift seems "reified". That is, you thought about what you gave me and, likely, tried to make it something of equal or greater value (so that the gift may accrue an even greater sense of extra-monetary meaning).
If, on the other hand, you accept my gift and wait a long time before giving me a gift, your gift seems genuine - as though you were not trying to simply "repay" me for my gift [there is a different word used for 'repaying' and 'returning'; reddere is an act of fiscal compensation unlike referre]. Thus, the time lapse makes your gift seem more 'spontaneous' and 'voluntary' rather than forced or as though you are trying to pay me back 1-for-1. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 5:54 AM Author: arrogant nursing home I appreciate that you branched off of a discussion of the Roman gift exchange economy and accommodated my question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563392) |
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I pretended my camera had already been damaged during the course of the day. Unfortunately it was impossible to get another digital camera, so I ended up buying this chunky old manual Nikon in a market. It was heavy as a brick. |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 4:50 AM Author: Angry Hairraiser Church Building Headpube This thread proves my eliteness- I post at 3 am and get over 80 hits. I am highly elite. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165943&forum_id=2#2563354) |
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