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ITT: boomers call millennials lazy in NYT blog

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/are-young-colle...
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u should post this as a comment on the article. see what sor...
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we are going to drown in anti-youth boomer screeds the next ...
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cr They know what they're doing to us and have done to u...
Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression
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Sadly credited. No entrepreneurial spirit in this generat...
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  05/30/11
this just about covers it.
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Anyone have a NYT account? I'd be interested in boomer resp...
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The article isn't wrong, just hypocritical. Millennials inhe...
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This is the disconnect dem Boomer bloggers have. Most of th...
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180 FUCK BOOMERS
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Thanks Obama.
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Are generation is lazy and childish. Boomers just forget ...
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adventurous garrison
  05/30/11
our generation isn't "lazy" so much as "neute...
Beta fragrant space
  05/30/11
you think the average, politically apathetic 22 year old wh...
adventurous garrison
  05/30/11
you're talking about the underclass, which has always been a...
Beta fragrant space
  05/30/11
not talking about the underclass. this describes the typical...
adventurous garrison
  05/30/11
Five mutherfucking points to Gryffindor
motley blood rage rehab
  05/30/11
my theory is that the Boomers truly do not comprehend how th...
tripping ceo
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Worse than that: they think they've been huge contributors ...
Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression
  05/30/11
true, true. that's what i should have said. when i look ...
tripping ceo
  05/30/11
more like "chillenials" amirite
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http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1659323&mc=6...
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OP, Do you mind if I blatantly steal this post and put it...
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well already did
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go ahead and paste this wherever you want boomer screeds ...
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i have no words. bumping 4EVA.
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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:04 AM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/are-young-college-grads-too-lazy-to-work/

::rails against youth entitlement::

::went to college when school was 2-3k per year and could be paid for with summer job money::

::went to law school under the same circumstances::

::to the extent college became a joke, set the boomer policies that made it so (participation ribbons for all; everyone should go to college; no dumb questions/people; bitchtits soft majors espousing one group or the other is oppressed; emphasized feeling over counting/discovering/observing)::

::worked many fewer hours than youngs as technology has made most high paying jobs (all professional service jobs, most middle management and higher industry jobs) 24/7/365 efforts::

::grew up and worked in one of the greatest periods of growth and prosperity one country has ever experienced in the history of the world::

::still didn't save enough for retirement::

::instead bought a used Porsche Boxter and shitty vacation house in Florida which is now 300k underwater::

::passes healthcare law that has effect of youth subsidizing olds (pre-medicare age olds) health insurance::

::refused to subsidize their parent's health insurance in the manner they're demanding of their kids (healthcare debates of 86 and 93)::

::refuses any and all changes to social security and medicare::

::refuses any tax scheme that would pay for same (even with help from youngs)::

::demands younger generations pay for all + interest -- all while knowing younger generation won't get their levels of benefits, if they get anything.::

::Intentionally drives economy off cliff because assume only people that will still be around when it hits the hard rock bottom are kids and grandkids ::

::refused to ever fucking grow up (see, e.g., all the ads aimed at boomers, often for ED medication, portraying 50+ year old boomers in rock bands, surfing, and rock climbing; the many offices around the country where the greatest generation and the under 40 workers wear suits and the boomers wear rumpled polos and khakis in order to stick it to the man).::

::refused or were incapable of raising kids because they were overgrown children themelves (with a totally cool corvette!)::

::to the extent kids were raised, they were raised to be trophies for the boomer's happiness/contentment/bragging. Another way to oneup Tim Jones next door::

::are on pace to die penniless; they had the greatest wealth of any american generation and are projected to pass on the least to their kids and heirs::

::calls younger kids lazy and entitled::

Fuck boomers



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117849)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:06 AM
Author: chocolate awkward native gaming laptop

post of the day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117869)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:10 AM
Author: adventurous garrison

u should post this as a comment on the article. see what sorta reaction u get from boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117893)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:24 AM
Author: high-end internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118231)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:24 AM
Author: adventurous garrison

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118236)



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Date: August 1st, 2011 11:08 PM
Author: aggressive maroon business firm

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18661563)



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Date: October 29th, 2011 7:25 PM
Author: Swashbuckling pearly dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#19264886)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:07 AM
Author: Beta fragrant space

wasn't a motorcycle-riding dennis hopper the star of a series of "forever young" boomer-oriented TV ads right before he died to death of old age?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117875)



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 8:55 AM
Author: Maize Tantric Set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18155037)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:10 AM
Author: high-end internal respiration

we are going to drown in anti-youth boomer screeds the next few years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117894)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:37 AM
Author: Mentally Impaired Kitty Stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118306)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 10:30 AM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression

cr

They know what they're doing to us and have done to us.

They also know we're a generation of docile sheep that genuflect to authority -- so if they tell us it is our fault most will believe.

Another instance of boomers wanting to have their cake and eat it. They want to use up every resource and die just before we hit the rocks on the bottom of the cliff. But they don't want to be remembered as locusts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119507)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:47 PM
Author: alcoholic opaque puppy deer antler

Sadly credited.

No entrepreneurial spirit in this generation. Some people want to do the tech startup thing, but that always fails. Nobody wants to run a tire distributorship in Indiana and make 1m/year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18121189)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:11 AM
Author: dead stag film karate

this just about covers it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117905)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:18 AM
Author: Copper histrionic range knife

Anyone have a NYT account? I'd be interested in boomer response to this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117946)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:39 AM
Author: french green bawdyhouse corn cake

180 Screed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118065)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:18 AM
Author: seedy carmine university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118195)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:30 AM
Author: excitant rusted jew

The article isn't wrong, just hypocritical. Millennials inherited most of the boomers negative traits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118259)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:39 AM
Author: autistic cerise haunted graveyard area

This is the disconnect dem Boomer bloggers have. Most of their complaints about Millenials (lazy, entitled, spoiled) would eventually be traced back to bad parenting. But our parents were...the Boomers. So then whose fault is it?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118318)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 3:16 AM
Author: thriller hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118746)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 7:17 AM
Author: dead stag film karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119246)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 7:36 AM
Author: bright kitchen toilet seat

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119278)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 9:52 AM
Author: Lime diverse theater stage

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119384)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 9:55 AM
Author: Yapping pocket flask

180

FUCK BOOMERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119390)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 10:31 AM
Author: Sooty French Chef

Thanks Obama.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119514)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 10:34 AM
Author: heady gay wizard affirmative action

Are generation is lazy and childish.

Boomers just forget they're more lazy and childish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119526)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:44 PM
Author: alcoholic opaque puppy deer antler

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18121170)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:30 PM
Author: adventurous garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122149)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:34 PM
Author: Beta fragrant space

our generation isn't "lazy" so much as "neutered."

if rewards are uncertain, failure is probable, and it will take debt for the privilege of getting there, why try in the first place?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122163)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:37 PM
Author: adventurous garrison

you think the average, politically apathetic 22 year old who never reads the news but can name every character on the Jersey Shore knows about all of this? we still have tons of idiots going to fourth tier law schools thinking it's their golden ticket.

nah, a lot of people are lazy, too. but i blame the boomers' awful parenting for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122179)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:42 PM
Author: Beta fragrant space

you're talking about the underclass, which has always been around. that hasn't changed from generation to generation, though their fixations have.

boomers knocked out a lot of traditional pathways to prosperity and out of check-cashing debt servitude that poors used to have, like starting at a low-wage job and "working your way up."

that's much tougher now, because those jobs are occupied by illegals, and credentialism means that boomer bosses won't take you seriously if you don't have multiple degrees. which of course takes debt...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122206)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 5:22 PM
Author: adventurous garrison

not talking about the underclass. this describes the typical college graduate nowadays.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122373)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:44 PM
Author: motley blood rage rehab

Five mutherfucking points to Gryffindor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122218)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:50 PM
Author: tripping ceo

my theory is that the Boomers truly do not comprehend how their shitty influence on society and culture has created what they bemoan in the younger generations.

i mean, wtf does it mean to castigate a "generation" of people? each generation is molded and shaped by the world they encounter. do we believe the "greatest generation" was somehow virtuous by right of birth, but millenials are intrisically lacking?

in the same way that the world made Boomers narcissistic douchebags, it made millenials ... whatever they are (not fully human, cautious, "entitled", etc., i think).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122245)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:54 PM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression

Worse than that: they think they've been huge contributors to society and culture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122265)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:59 PM
Author: tripping ceo

true, true. that's what i should have said.

when i look in the eyes of boomers who have a beef with younger people, i see that they sincerely believe what they are saying, and that they believe they have done good in the world.

i guess this is our version of the "generation gap." there is a communication breakdown and the generations are talking hopelessly at cross purposes. likewise, we have and will continue to have blind-spots of our own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122284)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 5:56 PM
Author: razzle piazza idea he suggested

more like "chillenials" amirite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122586)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:02 PM
Author: exciting preventive strike gas station

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1659323&mc=6&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122626)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:03 PM
Author: Nudist curious hunting ground senate

OP,

Do you mind if I blatantly steal this post and put it on another forum? Boomers gonna be MADD as FUKKKK, cuzz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122636)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:09 PM
Author: Nudist curious hunting ground senate

well

already did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122685)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:14 PM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression

go ahead and paste this wherever you want

boomer screeds need to be spread far and wide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122721)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:14 PM
Author: Demanding skinny woman

link

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122725)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:50 AM
Author: thriller hospital

Good, if this gets around the internet a bit I can safely repost on facebook without it necessarily leading back here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126932)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 9:36 PM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression

bump for night crowd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18124105)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:37 AM
Author: Fighting old irish cottage

Yes, it's both infuriating and tragic that Boomers were handed an incredibly wealthy nation and proceeded to convert that into personal gain mostly through tax revolts (raising the cost of education and neglecting the infrastucture) and dismantling the manufacturing base to pump up share prices, but I think any generational cohort would have done the same. What makes Boomers despicable is that they deny responsibility for this and instead crow about shit like the civil rights movement (the major gains of which most were too young to contribute to in a meaningful way) or the music (which they listened to, but again most "Boomer" must was created by non-Boomers) when they reflect on themselves as a generation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126847)



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 9:08 AM
Author: Mentally Impaired Kitty Stead



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:41 AM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot

i have no words. bumping 4EVA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126871)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:55 AM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot

this should be made into a short article. actually it's kind of mind-boggling to think that i haven't seen an article that makes all these points. is there one out there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126960)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 3:35 PM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18133822)



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Date: June 1st, 2011 12:41 AM
Author: thriller hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18138300)



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Date: June 1st, 2011 3:35 AM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 2:12 AM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18154334)



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 9:14 AM
Author: Cream temple

I left my old job when I became the youngest person there by 20 years and I was doing most of the heavy lifting around the office (and constantly dodging accusations that I wasn't doing anything from a 63-year-old bitch who couldn't find her way out of a paper bag) -- I still hate those weirdly immature middle-aged assholes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18155077)



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Date: June 8th, 2011 12:47 AM
Author: heady gay wizard affirmative action



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Date: June 8th, 2011 7:18 PM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18199660)



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Date: June 8th, 2011 8:00 PM
Author: dead stag film karate



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Date: June 25th, 2011 9:43 PM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18346417)



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Date: July 8th, 2011 4:38 PM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot



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Date: July 8th, 2011 4:41 PM
Author: cordovan abode athletic conference

keep talking shit about rumpled polo shirts asshole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18452914)



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Date: July 12th, 2011 12:10 PM
Author: fishy titillating mediation idiot



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Date: July 14th, 2011 1:18 AM
Author: alcoholic opaque puppy deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18501156)



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:17 PM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression

going to bump this whenever boomers piss me off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18547404)



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:21 PM
Author: dead stag film karate



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:34 PM
Author: abnormal odious half-breed marketing idea



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:42 PM
Author: bonkers ticket booth hairy legs

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18547615)



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:52 PM
Author: dead stag film karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18547725)



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Date: August 1st, 2011 10:53 PM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression

Special debt ceiling "spending cuts" that don't kick in for 4 years and will never be realized edition bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18661406)



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Date: September 10th, 2011 1:09 PM
Author: Marvelous Avocado Indirect Expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18944023)