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ITT: boomers call millennials lazy in NYT blog

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this just about covers it.
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Thanks Obama.
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our generation isn't "lazy" so much as "neute...
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you think the average, politically apathetic 22 year old wh...
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you're talking about the underclass, which has always been a...
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not talking about the underclass. this describes the typical...
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Five mutherfucking points to Gryffindor
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my theory is that the Boomers truly do not comprehend how th...
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Worse than that: they think they've been huge contributors ...
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true, true. that's what i should have said. when i look ...
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more like "chillenials" amirite
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OP, Do you mind if I blatantly steal this post and put it...
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well already did
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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:04 AM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/are-young-college-grads-too-lazy-to-work/

::rails against youth entitlement::

::went to college when school was 2-3k per year and could be paid for with summer job money::

::went to law school under the same circumstances::

::to the extent college became a joke, set the boomer policies that made it so (participation ribbons for all; everyone should go to college; no dumb questions/people; bitchtits soft majors espousing one group or the other is oppressed; emphasized feeling over counting/discovering/observing)::

::worked many fewer hours than youngs as technology has made most high paying jobs (all professional service jobs, most middle management and higher industry jobs) 24/7/365 efforts::

::grew up and worked in one of the greatest periods of growth and prosperity one country has ever experienced in the history of the world::

::still didn't save enough for retirement::

::instead bought a used Porsche Boxter and shitty vacation house in Florida which is now 300k underwater::

::passes healthcare law that has effect of youth subsidizing olds (pre-medicare age olds) health insurance::

::refused to subsidize their parent's health insurance in the manner they're demanding of their kids (healthcare debates of 86 and 93)::

::refuses any and all changes to social security and medicare::

::refuses any tax scheme that would pay for same (even with help from youngs)::

::demands younger generations pay for all + interest -- all while knowing younger generation won't get their levels of benefits, if they get anything.::

::Intentionally drives economy off cliff because assume only people that will still be around when it hits the hard rock bottom are kids and grandkids ::

::refused to ever fucking grow up (see, e.g., all the ads aimed at boomers, often for ED medication, portraying 50+ year old boomers in rock bands, surfing, and rock climbing; the many offices around the country where the greatest generation and the under 40 workers wear suits and the boomers wear rumpled polos and khakis in order to stick it to the man).::

::refused or were incapable of raising kids because they were overgrown children themelves (with a totally cool corvette!)::

::to the extent kids were raised, they were raised to be trophies for the boomer's happiness/contentment/bragging. Another way to oneup Tim Jones next door::

::are on pace to die penniless; they had the greatest wealth of any american generation and are projected to pass on the least to their kids and heirs::

::calls younger kids lazy and entitled::

Fuck boomers



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117849)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:06 AM
Author: snowy concupiscible doctorate

post of the day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117869)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:10 AM
Author: Indigo stage

u should post this as a comment on the article. see what sorta reaction u get from boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117893)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:24 AM
Author: Misunderstood laughsome plaza ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118231)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:24 AM
Author: Indigo stage

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118236)



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Date: August 1st, 2011 11:08 PM
Author: boyish alcoholic tank keepsake machete

180

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Date: October 29th, 2011 7:25 PM
Author: frisky ebony ceo cuckold



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:07 AM
Author: Primrose Wonderful Casino

wasn't a motorcycle-riding dennis hopper the star of a series of "forever young" boomer-oriented TV ads right before he died to death of old age?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117875)



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 8:55 AM
Author: 180 beta library jap



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:10 AM
Author: Misunderstood laughsome plaza ratface

we are going to drown in anti-youth boomer screeds the next few years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117894)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:37 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac zippy double fault knife



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Date: May 30th, 2011 10:30 AM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy

cr

They know what they're doing to us and have done to us.

They also know we're a generation of docile sheep that genuflect to authority -- so if they tell us it is our fault most will believe.

Another instance of boomers wanting to have their cake and eat it. They want to use up every resource and die just before we hit the rocks on the bottom of the cliff. But they don't want to be remembered as locusts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119507)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:47 PM
Author: lemon new version

Sadly credited.

No entrepreneurial spirit in this generation. Some people want to do the tech startup thing, but that always fails. Nobody wants to run a tire distributorship in Indiana and make 1m/year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18121189)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:11 AM
Author: citrine haunting chad kitchen

this just about covers it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117905)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:18 AM
Author: Sickened associate

Anyone have a NYT account? I'd be interested in boomer response to this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18117946)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 12:39 AM
Author: Hairraiser crystalline deer antler

180 Screed

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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:18 AM
Author: Light excitant water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118195)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:30 AM
Author: Curious Home Jewess

The article isn't wrong, just hypocritical. Millennials inherited most of the boomers negative traits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118259)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:39 AM
Author: Green point

This is the disconnect dem Boomer bloggers have. Most of their complaints about Millenials (lazy, entitled, spoiled) would eventually be traced back to bad parenting. But our parents were...the Boomers. So then whose fault is it?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118318)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 3:16 AM
Author: Thirsty Salmon Institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18118746)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 7:17 AM
Author: citrine haunting chad kitchen



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Date: May 30th, 2011 7:36 AM
Author: avocado stimulating wrinkle church

180

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Date: May 30th, 2011 9:52 AM
Author: Stirring dilemma

180

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Date: May 30th, 2011 9:55 AM
Author: Copper Diverse Idea He Suggested

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FUCK BOOMERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119390)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 10:31 AM
Author: effete athletic conference

Thanks Obama.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119514)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 10:34 AM
Author: ultramarine marvelous theatre

Are generation is lazy and childish.

Boomers just forget they're more lazy and childish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18119526)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 1:44 PM
Author: lemon new version

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18121170)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:30 PM
Author: Indigo stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122149)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:34 PM
Author: Primrose Wonderful Casino

our generation isn't "lazy" so much as "neutered."

if rewards are uncertain, failure is probable, and it will take debt for the privilege of getting there, why try in the first place?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122163)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:37 PM
Author: Indigo stage

you think the average, politically apathetic 22 year old who never reads the news but can name every character on the Jersey Shore knows about all of this? we still have tons of idiots going to fourth tier law schools thinking it's their golden ticket.

nah, a lot of people are lazy, too. but i blame the boomers' awful parenting for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122179)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:42 PM
Author: Primrose Wonderful Casino

you're talking about the underclass, which has always been around. that hasn't changed from generation to generation, though their fixations have.

boomers knocked out a lot of traditional pathways to prosperity and out of check-cashing debt servitude that poors used to have, like starting at a low-wage job and "working your way up."

that's much tougher now, because those jobs are occupied by illegals, and credentialism means that boomer bosses won't take you seriously if you don't have multiple degrees. which of course takes debt...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122206)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 5:22 PM
Author: Indigo stage

not talking about the underclass. this describes the typical college graduate nowadays.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122373)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:44 PM
Author: Stubborn queen of the night location

Five mutherfucking points to Gryffindor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122218)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:50 PM
Author: olive orchestra pit

my theory is that the Boomers truly do not comprehend how their shitty influence on society and culture has created what they bemoan in the younger generations.

i mean, wtf does it mean to castigate a "generation" of people? each generation is molded and shaped by the world they encounter. do we believe the "greatest generation" was somehow virtuous by right of birth, but millenials are intrisically lacking?

in the same way that the world made Boomers narcissistic douchebags, it made millenials ... whatever they are (not fully human, cautious, "entitled", etc., i think).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122245)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:54 PM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy

Worse than that: they think they've been huge contributors to society and culture.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122265)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 4:59 PM
Author: olive orchestra pit

true, true. that's what i should have said.

when i look in the eyes of boomers who have a beef with younger people, i see that they sincerely believe what they are saying, and that they believe they have done good in the world.

i guess this is our version of the "generation gap." there is a communication breakdown and the generations are talking hopelessly at cross purposes. likewise, we have and will continue to have blind-spots of our own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122284)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 5:56 PM
Author: insane elastic band gas station

more like "chillenials" amirite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122586)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:02 PM
Author: hateful demanding locus french chef

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1659323&mc=6&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122626)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:03 PM
Author: orange arousing codepig

OP,

Do you mind if I blatantly steal this post and put it on another forum? Boomers gonna be MADD as FUKKKK, cuzz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122636)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:09 PM
Author: orange arousing codepig

well

already did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122685)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:14 PM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy

go ahead and paste this wherever you want

boomer screeds need to be spread far and wide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122721)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 6:14 PM
Author: Sinister hell

link

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18122725)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:50 AM
Author: Thirsty Salmon Institution

Good, if this gets around the internet a bit I can safely repost on facebook without it necessarily leading back here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126932)



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Date: May 30th, 2011 9:36 PM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy

bump for night crowd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18124105)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:37 AM
Author: umber big voyeur principal's office

Yes, it's both infuriating and tragic that Boomers were handed an incredibly wealthy nation and proceeded to convert that into personal gain mostly through tax revolts (raising the cost of education and neglecting the infrastucture) and dismantling the manufacturing base to pump up share prices, but I think any generational cohort would have done the same. What makes Boomers despicable is that they deny responsibility for this and instead crow about shit like the civil rights movement (the major gains of which most were too young to contribute to in a meaningful way) or the music (which they listened to, but again most "Boomer" must was created by non-Boomers) when they reflect on themselves as a generation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126847)



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 9:08 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac zippy double fault knife



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:41 AM
Author: odious puce striped hyena

i have no words. bumping 4EVA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126871)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 2:55 AM
Author: odious puce striped hyena

this should be made into a short article. actually it's kind of mind-boggling to think that i haven't seen an article that makes all these points. is there one out there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18126960)



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Date: May 31st, 2011 3:35 PM
Author: odious puce striped hyena



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Date: June 1st, 2011 12:41 AM
Author: Thirsty Salmon Institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18138300)



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Date: June 1st, 2011 3:35 AM
Author: odious puce striped hyena



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 2:12 AM
Author: odious puce striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18154334)



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Date: June 3rd, 2011 9:14 AM
Author: Nubile bronze field

I left my old job when I became the youngest person there by 20 years and I was doing most of the heavy lifting around the office (and constantly dodging accusations that I wasn't doing anything from a 63-year-old bitch who couldn't find her way out of a paper bag) -- I still hate those weirdly immature middle-aged assholes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18155077)



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Date: June 8th, 2011 12:47 AM
Author: ultramarine marvelous theatre



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Date: June 8th, 2011 7:18 PM
Author: odious puce striped hyena



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Date: June 8th, 2011 8:00 PM
Author: citrine haunting chad kitchen



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Date: June 25th, 2011 9:43 PM
Author: odious puce striped hyena



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Date: July 8th, 2011 4:38 PM
Author: odious puce striped hyena



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Date: July 8th, 2011 4:41 PM
Author: talking karate property

keep talking shit about rumpled polo shirts asshole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18452914)



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Date: July 12th, 2011 12:10 PM
Author: odious puce striped hyena



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Date: July 14th, 2011 1:18 AM
Author: lemon new version



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:17 PM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy

going to bump this whenever boomers piss me off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18547404)



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:21 PM
Author: citrine haunting chad kitchen



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:34 PM
Author: pea-brained masturbator



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:42 PM
Author: claret motley house dopamine

...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18547615)



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Date: July 17th, 2011 8:52 PM
Author: citrine haunting chad kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18547725)



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Date: August 1st, 2011 10:53 PM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy

Special debt ceiling "spending cuts" that don't kick in for 4 years and will never be realized edition bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18661406)



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Date: September 10th, 2011 1:09 PM
Author: charismatic multi-billionaire puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1660597&forum_id=2#18944023)