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have it?
lilac dingle berry whorehouse
  01/29/12
Google is your friend. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10...
Wild Sandwich
  01/29/12
Low IQ Schtick?
Amethyst jap
  01/29/12
lol
lilac dingle berry whorehouse
  01/29/12
That trick is outdated bro.
heady shimmering mad cow disease locus
  01/29/12
alright, fine, cheap unemployed bastards... By JENNIFER S...
Wild Sandwich
  01/29/12
uh, your welcome? fuck all of you.
Wild Sandwich
  01/29/12
ty
heady shimmering mad cow disease locus
  01/29/12
"Cock"
razzmatazz self-centered national security agency
  01/29/12
"We don't have to have these armies of young associates...
big-titted space
  01/29/12
NYU was second tier when he graduated. Guess he wouldn't ha...
lilac dingle berry whorehouse
  01/29/12
fucking boomer scum
big-titted space
  01/29/12
that faggot would have graduated from WUSTL if he'd gone to ...
heady shimmering mad cow disease locus
  01/29/12
probably more like St. Johns
Jade party of the first part
  01/29/12
These people are fucking scum. PPP numbers didn't even fall...
Cordovan Wonderful Digit Ratio
  01/29/12
To be fair, PPP numbers are probably made up from thin air. ...
lilac dingle berry whorehouse
  01/29/12
Partners aren't retiring, that's part of the problem. Peopl...
Wild Sandwich
  01/29/12
This is all American companies bros. They are using the ...
flickering travel guidebook doctorate
  01/29/12
Thanks Mitt, but this has always been the policy. The diffe...
Wild Sandwich
  01/29/12
part of the problem is we are willing to work ourselves to t...
Jade party of the first part
  01/29/12
The most abusive bosses come from your tribe. Whats up with ...
Amethyst jap
  01/29/12
Yeah, if there's anyplace doing great now due to demands for...
galvanic out-of-control office incel
  01/30/12
the thing is, it will fuck them. eventually work will go bac...
big-titted space
  01/29/12
(entitled schtick)
Nofapping Contagious Pit
  01/29/12
Law degrees can cost up to $100K.
Chestnut School
  01/29/12
OMG! 1850 HRS? OMG! I GOTTA GO TO PRYOR CASHMAN
Wild Sandwich
  01/29/12
did he know Rowan?
Jade party of the first part
  01/29/12
Better question, did he fuck Rowan?
Tan area
  01/29/12
nah, but this one did http://www.pryorcashman.com/attorne...
sticky histrionic piazza halford
  01/29/12
OVER SEVEN (7) HOURS PER DAY BRO! IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HE...
angry violent theater stage
  01/29/12
Yeah I bill that at a smallish firm and it's not even that h...
Nofapping Contagious Pit
  01/29/12
EGREGIOUS Weil trolling in this article.
charismatic school cafeteria
  01/29/12
you know, if new associates aren't able or willing to produc...
Massive thriller idiot
  01/29/12
they're still paying them 160 though. they've just decreased...
big-titted space
  01/29/12
TMF reading this article crying, losing hope.
Charcoal azn sanctuary
  01/29/12
...
lilac dingle berry whorehouse
  01/30/12
Boomers who were on the cusp of retirement saw their retirem...
aphrodisiac topaz chapel quadroon
  01/30/12


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Date: January 29th, 2012 7:58 PM
Author: lilac dingle berry whorehouse

have it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860565)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:00 PM
Author: Wild Sandwich

Google is your friend.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203363504577186913589594038.html



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860576)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:00 PM
Author: Amethyst jap

Low IQ Schtick?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860594)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:02 PM
Author: lilac dingle berry whorehouse

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860611)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:03 PM
Author: heady shimmering mad cow disease locus

That trick is outdated bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860630)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:05 PM
Author: Wild Sandwich

alright, fine, cheap unemployed bastards...

By JENNIFER SMITH

Law firms are finally starting to recover from the recession, but they aren't taking their young lawyers along for the ride.

Even as profits return, cautious partners with one eye on damaged balance sheets and the other on stingy clients plan to hang onto the lean silhouettes they acquired during the downturn.

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Eric Fishman says his colleagues saw a huge risk when he left an elite New York firm for a midsize practice in 2010. "Now they're less fearful."

That means little relief for young associates—who took on hefty law-school loans, only to run into layoffs and stagnant pay in the years since 2008—and fewer chances for new law-school graduates to get in on the ground floor. And the elusive brass ring of partnership has grown more remote.

"What happens if Greece falls apart again?" says Greg Nitzkowski, managing partner at Paul Hastings LLP, an international firm that has reduced entry-level hires by about a third since 2008. "We just think it's prudent to plan as if this coming year is going to be a relatively flat year.…We're not planning for a big upsurge in demand."

Conditions at law firms have stabilized since 2009, when the legal industry shed 41,900 positions, according to the Labor Department. Cuts were more moderate last year, with some 2,700 positions eliminated, and recruiters report more opportunities for experienced midlevel associates.

But many elite firms have shrunk their ranks of entry-level lawyers by as much as half from 2008, when market turmoil was at its peak. Salaries and bonuses for those associates have remained generally flat. Meanwhile, a degree at a top law school can cost $100,000 or more.

Associates at prominent law firms say some of their peers hired during the boom years are happy just to have jobs at all. "The world has changed," says a senior associate at a top firm.

During the downturn some firms pared associate ranks through layoffs and by delaying start dates for fresh law-school graduates. And many firms for routine tasks now use less-expensive alternatives to young associates, such as contract attorneys and outsourcing firms.

"Law firms basically focused a lot of head-count reductions during the recession on associate ranks, says Dan DiPietro, chairman of Citi Private Bank's law-firm group. "They feel like the associate ranks are where they want them to be."

White & Case LLP, an international law firm, plans to hire about 60 entry-level lawyers this year, compared with prerecession classes of 90 to 100.

"The efficiency of law practice has just changed dramatically in the past five years," says Bill Dantzler, a hiring partner and head of the firm's tax practice. "We don't have to have these armies of young associates. It's good for the clients, it's good for everybody."

That means reputable firms can be even more picky about whom they hire. While firms still compete for the highest-ranking graduates from Ivy League and other top law schools, it is a different story for solid candidates who lack gold-plated résumés. Students with lower class rankings or from second-tier schools who once would have made the cut "wouldn't have a prayer of getting in now," Mr. Dantzler says.

For those who do land jobs at big law firms, the hours remain grueling. In 2010 associates at firms with more than 700 lawyers billed an average of 1,859 hours—the equivalent of more than seven hours a day—according to the National Association for Law Placement.

As head counts fell, the average workload for those associates has risen 2.3% since 2007, or about 50 extra hours a year.

And the road to partnership is longer and more uncertain than in the past. Many lawyers now toil eight or even 10 years before being chosen. A decade ago, the most common partnership track took seven years. Other firms have thinned their top ranks of partners who didn't bring in enough business, making it even tougher to elbow into a spot.

Partners at several large law firms also say they don't plan to raise associate salaries, which haven't increased since 2007. December bonuses remained roughly the same as in 2010, with first-year associates at elite firms such as Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP and Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP getting $7,500. The most senior associates received bonuses of $37,500 to $42,500.

"Most firms are hesitant to lock themselves into something they can't sustain," says Paula Alvary of consulting firm Hoffman Alvary. "While there is clear evidence that work levels are returning, they're not at prerecession levels for most firms."

Still, many people continue to pursue law as a career, not least because the median starting salary for entry-level lawyers at top New York firms is $160,000. That is nearly double the going rate in 1996, before the tech boom drove salaries skyward.

And phones are ringing again at law-firm recruiters. Junior lawyers who once clung white-knuckled to their jobs are loosening their grips and moving to corporations' law departments or to law firms where they might have better shots at making partner.

Eric Fishman in 2010 took what many colleagues then saw as a huge risk when he left one of New York's elite practices for midsize Pryor Cashman LLP, where he hoped to get more experience running cases and building a practice.

"There was little chance many of my peers would have considered a move from a big law firm at that time," says Mr. Fishman, now a senior associate at the respected firm. "Now they're less fearful; the economy is getting better."

But the pace of such movement isn't what it was. Before the downturn, firms lost between 25% to 30% of their associates after a few years, people in the industry say. R. Bruce McLean, chairman of Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP, says the attrition rate at his firm is around 15% now.

"It's like lots of things in our economy," he says. "The outlook is brighter, the anxiety level is diminished, but it's not completely gone.…This is still a period of anxiety for our entire associate population. This is not what they anticipated when they started law school."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860649)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:09 PM
Author: Wild Sandwich

uh, your welcome? fuck all of you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860701)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:15 PM
Author: heady shimmering mad cow disease locus

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860758)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:04 PM
Author: razzmatazz self-centered national security agency

"Cock"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861119)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:10 PM
Author: big-titted space

"We don't have to have these armies of young associates. It's good for the clients, it's good for everybody."

Yeah, except for the wide-eyed kids going to law school and the associates you no-offered and laid off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860714)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:13 PM
Author: lilac dingle berry whorehouse

NYU was second tier when he graduated. Guess he wouldn't have had a "prayer" of getting in to White and Case

http://www.whitecase.com/jdantzler/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860739)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:17 PM
Author: big-titted space

fucking boomer scum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860768)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:18 PM
Author: heady shimmering mad cow disease locus

that faggot would have graduated from WUSTL if he'd gone to school in the 2000's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860777)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:05 PM
Author: Jade party of the first part

probably more like St. Johns

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861134)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:25 PM
Author: Cordovan Wonderful Digit Ratio

These people are fucking scum. PPP numbers didn't even fall during 2008-2010. Now partners are making more than ever, with fewer associates working longer hours for less money, all while tuition increases at 4-10% per year. Fuck this profession in the ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860813)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:26 PM
Author: lilac dingle berry whorehouse

To be fair, PPP numbers are probably made up from thin air. One of a banks put out a report last year that questioned whether a number of them were accurate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860823)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:39 PM
Author: Wild Sandwich

Partners aren't retiring, that's part of the problem. People are working until their late 60s now and the amount of work hasn't grown very much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19860915)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:54 PM
Author: flickering travel guidebook doctorate

This is all American companies bros.

They are using the recession as an excuse to just downsize forever.

They don't care about the nation. About it's people. About the little guy. About the middle class.

If they can save 5-10% extra and just make existing employees work extra harder, then hey that is good for their fucking bottom line.

No one has any patriotism anymore. This never would have happened in the 50's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861023)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:02 PM
Author: Wild Sandwich

Thanks Mitt, but this has always been the policy. The difference is that you used to have quality older workers retire or die, which would create space for quality younger workers. Now, everyone's living longer and no one is retiring. Add in that unions and anti-discrimination NGOs like the AARP make it very hard to fire anyone older than 50, and we're all fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861096)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:06 PM
Author: Jade party of the first part

part of the problem is we are willing to work ourselves to the bone. in Europe they demand long vacations. We're suckas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861143)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 10:28 PM
Author: Amethyst jap

The most abusive bosses come from your tribe. Whats up with that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861847)



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Date: January 30th, 2012 11:01 AM
Author: galvanic out-of-control office incel

Yeah, if there's anyplace doing great now due to demands for entitlements it is Europe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19864368)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 10:28 PM
Author: big-titted space

the thing is, it will fuck them. eventually work will go back to near-boom levels, and we will see 150 person summer classes, ny to 190K and partners complaining about the selfish, disloyal associates making lateral moves instead of waiting to be laid off like good little sheep.

they have no ability to plan long term, because they figure when the reckoning comes they will have cashed out long ago. it's been happening for 30 years in America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861844)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 11:04 PM
Author: Nofapping Contagious Pit

(entitled schtick)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19862183)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:03 PM
Author: Chestnut School

Law degrees can cost up to $100K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861106)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:07 PM
Author: Wild Sandwich

OMG! 1850 HRS? OMG! I GOTTA GO TO PRYOR CASHMAN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861149)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:08 PM
Author: Jade party of the first part

did he know Rowan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861154)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 10:43 PM
Author: Tan area

Better question, did he fuck Rowan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861979)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 11:28 PM
Author: sticky histrionic piazza halford

nah, but this one did

http://www.pryorcashman.com/attorneys-162.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19862365)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:10 PM
Author: angry violent theater stage

OVER SEVEN (7) HOURS PER DAY BRO! IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HEAT, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THE KITCHEN BRO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19861168)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 11:04 PM
Author: Nofapping Contagious Pit

Yeah I bill that at a smallish firm and it's not even that hard to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19862190)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 10:59 PM
Author: charismatic school cafeteria

EGREGIOUS Weil trolling in this article.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19862135)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 11:01 PM
Author: Massive thriller idiot

you know, if new associates aren't able or willing to produce work that is actually worth $80/hour or whatever... then why pay them as though they can?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19862153)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 11:10 PM
Author: big-titted space

they're still paying them 160 though. they've just decreased the number of associates.

some firms could probably get away with paying 120 for juniors and then bumping up to the nyc scale around year 4 and still fill their classes with T14. but they're too big prestige whores to do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19862234)



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Date: January 29th, 2012 11:16 PM
Author: Charcoal azn sanctuary

TMF reading this article crying, losing hope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19862287)



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Date: January 30th, 2012 10:48 AM
Author: lilac dingle berry whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19864357)



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Date: January 30th, 2012 12:55 PM
Author: aphrodisiac topaz chapel quadroon

Boomers who were on the cusp of retirement saw their retirement savings get pwned, so they'll try to make it up by working longer and making fewer partners (or whatever it takes to ensure their take-home stays the same). Everyone else = fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860951&forum_id=2#19864678)