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HLS JD vs Stanford JD/MS in Finance and Economics
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:18 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I am currently working in finance and would like to continue to do so after graduating.
HLS has a long history of their graduates in finance.
Stanford has an MS degree in Management Science and Engineering with a concetration in Finance and Econ. Which I can complete with the JD in 3 years, for the same price as a JD.
If i know for sure I want to work in finance, is the H-bomb more powerful then this dual degree? I need to make a decision very soon. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:38 PM Author: Excitant Native If you are currently working in finance, just try to stay there and move up. Law or b-school means you have to shell out money for school and also lose the earnings you would have had for 2/3/4 years. If you have to go to school, I would go with Harvard Law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704217) |
Date: May 16th, 2012 11:23 AM Author: mint titillating stag film why are you going to law school if you want to work in finance
you'd be better off doing an mba or some other masters |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:34 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault because I got into great law schools, I went to TTT undergrad so I could use the mental obstacle course.
Also, I prob would not be able to get into an equivalently good MBA program since I have unconventional and scattered work experiences.
Also I am in my mid 20's and just want to get school out of the way, definitely don't want to go through another application cycle (especially to find out I got accepted to lower tier MBA's with much less financial aid).
Also, SLS offered super generous fin aid. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:39 AM Author: mint titillating stag film if you want a mental obstacle course just read books in your spare time, or do a masters in quant finance from a place that places a strong emphasis on theoretical stuff like chicago, nyu, etc.
i guess if it's stanford you can still get yourself a good job but it seems like a huge waste of time and energy. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:40 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce And money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702654) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:40 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I don't want to become a quant. Its 3 years with a full tuition fin aid package, and w/o that I am a TTT undegrad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702656) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce How much do you make now?
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault doing a summer internship at a at 62k annualized. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702690) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:49 AM Author: elite office what do you do in finance now? BO? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702699) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:56 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault Not exactly, intern at capital advisory firm for institutional RE investors. (in short, we are a brokerage for debt, mezz, and Equity/JV financing for RE) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702735) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:02 PM Author: elite office do you cold call institutionals? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702771) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:08 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault no I assist analysts and brokers in in underwriting loans and creating books.
Just an intern so obv still learning. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce What else did you do in the 3 years since ug? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702816) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:12 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault bunch of randomness, worked at a small RE PE firm (family) for about a year and a half. Then a legal internship and census bureau, then traded options full time for a year and blew up my account after making a lot of money and becoming overconfident. so its a very STRANGE resume and not typical of an MBA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702847) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: elite office i think you should wait a couple years and reapply as a mba or jd/mba.
Edit: didn't know you were already three years out. why are you still an intern? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:37 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault wasn't at the same company. Its an internship paying market for an NYC analyst. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704214) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:36 AM Author: vengeful menage messiness This is only true if he doesn't want to be a lawyer at all ever. The fact is HLS has tons of alumni on Wall St in non-legal positions (e.g. CEOs of Goldman and Amex and many hf managers). HLS has also produced more Fortune 500 CEOs than any business school save HBS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702624) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:38 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce It is 2006
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:38 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault So would that mean that HLS > JD/MS in Finance and Econ at Stanford? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702641) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:40 AM Author: vengeful menage messiness No question unless you want to work in Silicon Valley in some VC type stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702655) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:42 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault What makes you say no question? JD/MS will allow me to take much more finance and MBA courses and actually gain hard skills.
Although my UG degree is in Econ and math minor |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:59 AM Author: vengeful menage messiness The fact you already have an econ degree, math minor and finace we means you won't need to get the basic financial background many other JD grads might need.
If you really just want to take courses, HLS allows you to cross register at HBS.
http://www.hbs.edu/mba/registrar/crossregistration/crossregistration-eligibility.html |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:02 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault at HLS you can take maximum 10 credits at another school, I believe that is like 3 courses, correct me if i am wrong.
SLS, especially with the JD/MS, would allow me to take MUCH more finance courses. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:42 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Bullshit. Hal's is no better than sls, ignoring the stupid masters.
Also it's not worth it to take out full loans anywhere, even hls. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:52 AM Author: dark insecure ticket booth Also it's not worth it to take out full loans anywhere, even hls.
do you really believe this? why? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:56 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce 240k in debt at 8 percent is a 2600 payment for 15 years. Even if you get big law that is a back breaking amount of money and it forces you to stay in big law forever, which few people do.
Law school with debt closes more doors than it opens.
If the op goes to ls he will end up at a firm with no choice. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:05 PM Author: dark insecure ticket booth wtf is it at 8%?
do you regret ls? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:08 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Not for me but thats the rate now. I don't regret it because I make plenty of money and don't hate being a lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702812) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:55 AM Author: vengeful menage messiness We are not talking about clerking on the 9th circuit. HLS>SLS for Wall St, that's not up for dispute. Look at the finance alumni lists for both schools. The OP never stated he was taking out full loans for HLS, but not for SLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702726) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Hls does not give Baller grant money like Stanford does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702739) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I am demonstrate very high financial need and have a fam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702746) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:00 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce It doesn't matter. SLS has a real financial aid program with real grants. When was in school hls gave NO grant money. If they changed that they give some shit trivial amount like. 10k a year.
It's on the front of their financial aid page. All hls students make 160k and can easily pay off debt. Fucking vultures. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:58 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce And neither school gets you banking jobs ITE except for a few exceptions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702747) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:01 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness Banking /= finance. There are plenty of financial sectors still hiring and he already has work experience in the area. With an HLS pedigree, he should have a shot at some decent jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702763) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:03 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce It is 2005?
None of the finance jobs that hire lawyers out of law school pay enough for him to pay his loans. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness '05? What are you 35 or 40 years old? I was in undergrad then, so I don't know the situation enough to comment. I know what people from today are doing. I do know law grads in non-general counsel finance jobs and they don't seem extraordinary in any sense. Again, he never stated anything about the number of loans he has or is going to have, so why is that in your argument? If the financials from H and S aren't explicitly stated, you assume all things are equal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702817) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:10 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Except that I know how financial aid works in law school.
HLS is going to make him take out back breaking loans, period. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:14 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness Yes, but he never stated any financials, so you can't stupidly assume anything. If Harvard is going to cost an extra $250K, I'd say go west, but it might only be an extra 30K, which changes my answer. You have no info about this, thus you aren't qualified to comment. Both schools are known for generous aid to those who deomonstrate the need, so I can safely assume money will not be an issue--in fact it rarely ever is in deciding between H and S. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702861) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:18 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Hls is not known for generous need based grants. The undergrad is. He said he is getting a full tuition ride at Stanford. He will not get the same or anywhere near at hls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702886) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:20 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness He never stated "full ride" he said "generous aid". He also never stated H's aid or how much more or less it is. You are making huge leaps here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702906) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:22 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce He said full tuition at Stanford. He said he does not know the hls package. Hls does not give full tuition packages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702917) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:55 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness I saw generous, not full ride. In any case, he has stated that we should assume the aid packages will not be materially different. Answer remains Harvard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703093) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:59 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault can you elaborate why the answer is harvard. I will get exposure to modelling and more derivative products and a better understanding of the economy through the GSB and MS&E classes.
at HLS I get the name, but my quant skills will deteriorate. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:08 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703161) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:16 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I edited my poast in case it wasn't clear, where is the flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703218) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:19 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce a better understanding of the economy through a undergrad extension program is not going to get you a finance job even if you kind of know an MD at a bank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703243) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:26 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness You will not be getting quant jobs with either of these degrees. If you want to just take some finance/business courses, you can do that at HBS while at HLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703304) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:08 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce his assumption is faulty because 1) he is flaming and 2) if not, he has not received fin aid from Harvard yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703167) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:16 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I have not received fin aid from harvard yet, but I talked with someone in the exact same need situation as myself (they actually had a bit more savings) and they got a grant covering tuition last year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703214) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:21 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce I dont believe that, but if you get the same deal let us know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703261) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:25 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness If he's flame, he's flame. If not, you take the facts as they are given to you like on a law school exam fact pattern. He said to assume finaid is similar, and under that assumption the answer is clearly Harvard over Stanford for what he wants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703297) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:33 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce in that case it doesn't matter. he should go to law school where he wants to live. Realistically with no meaningful finance background from a TTT he is not going to get a good job out of either school out of law school.
If he becomes a corporate lawyer for 5 years he has a slim shot, but at that point law school wont matter. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:38 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I have a TTT UG, but I did major in Econ and Minor in Math (with exceptional grades), also my current internship is legit and I have a bit of PE RE experience (although it was at a small shop, not institutional)
I also got a certificate in Financial engineering (it was a essentially a prep course for a Qaunt finance masters) so its not like I have no finance experience. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:41 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce That's not going to get you a job at goldman or a good hedge fund coming out of law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703388) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:03 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault so then HLS > SLS JD/MS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702776) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:05 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce HLS = SLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702792) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness Yes. Esp if you have to give up a summer to get that shitty MS--you will have the opportunity cost of making money during that time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702819) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:41 AM Author: ebony toilet seat bbw These days it's very difficult even for a corporate biglaw attorney to transition into a pure (non-compliance) high finance position at a bank. 30 years ago English majors were getting entry level jobs at F500 companies and many of them are now execs at said companies. Recruiting these days is much more narrowly tailored which makes it much more difficult to transition from a different career or background. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702660) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault Well, the MS would at least plausibly supply me with the background. (In addition to the finance experience I already have.)
I also have networked and know a senior MD at a major bank and a couple HF managers. In that case a JD/MS in finance and econ from Stanford should be sufficient for them to hook it up, no? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:49 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Flame.
You are just out of undergrad. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:51 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I'm 3 years out of UG and the HF managers are relatively small potatoes.
the senior MD at bank was close friend of my grandparents.
Although the senior MD's son runs a decently sized fund.
By the way, HF mangers and senior MD's exist, so its not ridiculous that they know and/or are related to people. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:52 AM Author: mint titillating stag film if your WE is really as TTT as you say you would be in an odd recruiting position, not enough good experience yo get hired as an associate but overqualified to be an analyst. HF recruiting is small and selective, and your jd likely won't add much value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702713) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:57 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault In that case JD/MS from S + contacts in finance would be the best path? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702743) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:01 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce The ms is useless believe me. It's an undergrad degree basically.
However since you will end up being a lawyer against your will in 3 years, go to sls where it's cheaper. It's a great law school. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:03 PM Author: mint titillating stag film best path = WE -->> MBA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702777) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:10 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault thats extremely hard to do when i have a full tuition grant at SLS and I straight up don't want to being my career when I am 31.
Also probably wont get similar fin aid package or get in as good an MBA.
And I am just not about going through another app cycle. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:14 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce This is absolutely true. However you need to prepare yourself to bea lawyer at a firm, because that is what is going to happen to you.
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:17 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702879) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:18 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Because its hard as fuck to get a good finance job out of any law school ITE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702889) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:26 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault Well if I know a senior MD at a big bank, shouldn't it be easier?
Plus, although he is not the best example, Fabrice Toure, the VP of GS whipping boy was a grad of S's MS&E
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:38 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702984) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:45 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault Why is that a flame? He was good friends of my family. He's not an M&A senior MD (PWM, but he is very good at what he does) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703019) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:07 PM Author: walnut 180 electric furnace hall you're operating under the assumption that the SLS/HLS pedigree will somehow get you a boost, which is false. i don't think you get what you're competing with here. for the most part, your classmates who are going to end up with finance jobs are all ivy-educated and had prestigious jobs before coming to law school. for the most part, most of them came into law school thinking they're going to actually become lawyers and some do it for a bit before defecting back. others decide in law school that they no longer want to do this but they have the background and connections already to get back into whatever they were doing before. the key is that their JD helped in no way in getting those connections or jobs.
i went to SLS during the boom years so i saw exactly how many people graduated and did non-law jobs. it was something in the range of ~15-20 out of a class of 180, but that includes people who did startups, non-profit, etc. if you limit it to conventional banking/finance/consulting, it was around 10. these people all went to top UGs and had the work experience you'd expect. consulting firms recruited at OCI but that's it. about 3-4 people got offers from that. i don't know how many interviewed. that gives you an idea of how tough it is, even during boom years. the problem is that you need a coherent and compelling story for why you went to law school if you didn't plan to use your degree. your answer isn't a good one. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:13 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault My answer is I received a full tuition scholarship to do a joint degree and some of the most savvy executives I've come across had legal training. I wanted something rigorous and though it would be useful in RE,PE, and/or M&A.
Is that really that not a decent story?
Outside of the legal community, I dont think the general populous thinks attending SLS or HLS is such a dumb idea if your ultimate goal is not to practice law.
I also think anyone reading my resume would completely understand why I would attend Stanford to do a dual degree in law and finance given the fact I was offered a full ride and was otherwise graduating from a TTT. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:25 PM Author: walnut 180 electric furnace hall it's a horrible story. a more accurate statement is that "the most savvy execs got there DESPITE their legal training." the best biz people don't need degrees, whether that's JD, MBA, etc. but if they do need one, you get the best connections with a MBA.
also, we're not talking about the general populous here, we're talking about the biz community. why would they hire a JD who couldn't get an equivalent MBA and doesn't have the requisite finance background when they can hire a GSB/HBS grad who has both the requisite pre-MBA background and got the right degree? people don't look at resumes and think "let's hire the guy whose only way to get the stanford/harvard name is to go the JD route." they hire the real deal and the person with the best, most coherent resume.
so if finance is what you want to do, go get a good, solid pre-MBA job and then go get a MBA. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:30 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault God damnit, I'm already so knee deep... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703329) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:42 AM Author: mint titillating stag film mba programs have tons of alumni in wall street, consulting firms, etc. the lawyers who do this are total ballers at the top of the pack or they say "fuck you" to law and get their foot in a finance job somewhere.
HF/PE recruiting is far more standardized now than it was. you can't look at current portfolio managers in their 50's who went to hls and say that it's the best path to get there. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:43 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Yeah also they got the jobs 8+ years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702674) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:31 AM Author: ebony toilet seat bbw If you've got work experience and want to continue in finance then an mba is the best option. During the boom years there was some finance and consulting recruitment at the Harvard and the other T6's but this has declined substantially. I know two guys who got masters in finance degrees and their results weren't too good. The problem with the masters in finance is that most programs are relatively new and companies don't really know enough about the curriculum to want to recruit heavily from those programs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702601) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:39 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce The MSE degree at Stanford is a joke degree that all the Asian Econ kids do as a 1 year coterminous degree after graduating. It's a cash cow for Stanford.
Don't go to law school if you don't want to be a lawyer for the love of god. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:43 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault thats fine, but it would be free, along with my JD (save for living expenses, room and board, and opportunity cost.) And could be done in 3 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702670) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:45 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Why would you even consider taking out full loans at hls then? You realize that will be 240k when you graduate?
Be prepared to be a lawyer, because that's what's going to happen after you graduate. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:47 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I am not considering full loans at HLS. If that was the decision than it would be SLS w/o hesitation.
I expect to get a similar fin aid package from HLS |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:50 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Your flame is showing.
As I recall HLS does not give grant money |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:46 AM Author: mint titillating stag film you obviously don't want to be a lawyer so why are you going to flush three years of life down the toilet for this. debt should be avoided but it seems like getting better work experience and then going for an mba, even if you have to pay for it, makes more sense.
if you have a ttt pedigree than try to do the MS&E alone.
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:48 AM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault then I would have to pay the full price of the MS&E, and it is undoudtedly a less prestigious degree than SLS JD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702698) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:51 AM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Or you could continue working and get enough experience to get into a real MBA program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702707) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 11:53 AM Author: mint titillating stag film can't you finish it in a year though? you'll also have 2 years of WE to pay debt and get WE that would otherwise be spent in school if you went to LS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702719) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:04 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce If you don't go straight outta ug they don't let you do. It in a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702781) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:05 PM Author: gold nubile whorehouse Don't go to law school if you can't see yourself being a lawyer.
S and H are equivalent schools. If S is giving you "generous" financial aid then tell H and they will likely match the package. Go to the one you like better.
Don't go to law school if you can't see yourself being a lawyer.
H's MBA program is more forgiving for letting in marginal joint degree 1L applicants than S.
Don't go to law school if you can't see yourself being a lawyer.
The "MS" in finance at S is a bullshit degree.
Don't go to law school if you can't see yourself being a lawyer. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:07 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Since when does hls give generous grant money to anyone?
Stanford is the only law school I know of with meaningful need based grants. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:09 PM Author: gold nubile whorehouse Your the first person I've ever heard distinguish the two on that basis, but I didn't get any need based money anywhere so Im just reporting what I've heard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702822) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:12 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce U less things have changed drastically, law schools give very little grant money. HLS and YLS gave none back in 2006.
SLS was the exception. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:12 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home the only thing law school does is let you be a lawyer. you can't do anything with a JD that you couldn't do without it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702839) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:17 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness The same can be said for a MBA and most other degrees outside of science and technology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702884) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:19 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home MBA = connections, including access to capital. the education is beside the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702893) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:21 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce Except that MBA = finance.
Also asking wrasslers for money = access to capital. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:22 PM Author: dark insecure ticket booth What happened to wrassler's money? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702919) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:28 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home i wisely invested it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702943) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:27 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home yeah but you need to know wrasslers to be able to ask them for money. if you went to a shitty UG or you grew up middle or lower middle class, you don't know anybody like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702940) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:22 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness The MBA is much more about networking than the education, the JD education is far superior to the MBA one. Biz school isn't the only place you can make connections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20702916) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:41 PM Author: walnut 180 electric furnace hall except biz school is the place to go if you want to make connections in finance.
law school is a horrible idea for the OP. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:44 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home you're right, undergrad can be another good place to make connections. law school is a good place to make connections if you are going to be a lawyer, but not for anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703017) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:48 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault Ok guys, final verdict.
Assuming that I will definitely be enrolling at a LS this fall, should I do HLS or Stanford JD/MS in MS&E? Assume they give fin aid packages that are not materially different.
PLEASE DONT SAY DELAY AND APPLY TO MBA. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:48 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home do not enroll in law school wtf is wrong with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703044) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:51 PM Author: walnut 180 electric furnace hall are you ok w/ being a lawyer in 3 years? because that is what's going to happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703061) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 12:52 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home titmfcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703066) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:00 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I'm not so un-ok with that. As long as I can transition into a finance role.
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:04 PM Author: Heady weed whacker nursing home there is a slim chance of this, and even if you do make it, you spent at least 5 years doing soul crushing corporate work to get there. and your chances diminish significantly if you're not at a V10 firm.
"i'm not so un-ok with that" is a really bad basis on which to go to law school. there is a greater than 95% chance that you will be a lawyer for the rest of your career in some form if you do. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:11 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce stubborn flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703184) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:15 PM Author: walnut 180 electric furnace hall um no, it only gets harder once you become a practicing lawyer to transition.
the problem is that you don't have the requisite, non-law background to transition. the JD won't give you the requisite background or connections. in terms of those who do successfully transition, those people didn't even need a JD to give them a boost and are rock stars that you have no shot against.
you seem obviously set in doing what you want, but i highly recommend you speak with some SLS and HLS alums who are 5-10 years out of school. i can guarantee that none of them will tell you go to law school given your goals. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:11 PM Author: Yellow trailer park lettuce why are you ignoring the fact that the financial aid packages will be different?
Why dont you find out the pittance HLS offers you then ask us again? |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:16 PM Author: Thirsty pervert internal respiration yeah bro, my fund hires HLS graduates all the time, no big deal.
you're going to be ROLLING in trader/quant offers after you cop dat HLS JD |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:21 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault this is probably one of the most poignant answers to my question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703267) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 1:31 PM Author: Thirsty pervert internal respiration befitting for a career trajectory that makes absolute sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20703331) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:21 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Talented Jewess I don't get some of these responses. I'm CCN '08 and several friends are now bankers and it wasn't too hard to do.
EDIT: Everyone I know who wanted to be a banker is. I haven't been out for very long. No one is buy side yet but that will change at some point soon. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 6:35 PM Author: vengeful menage messiness Credited. I know several lawyers turned bankers/finance guys.
Ita also generally easier to get a job at a bank than get into a t6 law school. If you had a 3.7+ from a decent ug (which most people at these schools do), you'll get a finance job, maybe not FICC at Goldman or Blackstone PE, but something. |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:29 PM Author: Smoky Racy Persian stanford ms&e is sort of a joke (akin to what kennedy school is for harvard), but i know quite a few alums of that program, and they have done well in job placements. Less so for finance but very well with MBB consulting and some tech firms. if the op has no interest in law, i have no idea why he's thinking of spending 3 miserable years in law school. get more work experience and gun for M7 mba, which is more fun and will open way more doors in finance than HLS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704137) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:31 PM Author: ebony toilet seat bbw One of the few times on xo where a flame actually brought out a good and useful discussion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704167) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:36 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault Not a flame, and I must say I was pretty pumped on doing the Joint JD/MS until you guys just crushed my expectations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704202) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:37 PM Author: Smoky Racy Persian what type of work do you do now, and what do you want after school? why don't you just apply to b-schools? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704208) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:40 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault Because the law school admissions process was grueling enough. See above for what I do now and my work history. Its not MBA material.
For the record I would apply to the JD/MBA at Stanford, but the probability of me being admitted is very low, so the MS in MS&E is a backup (with the added benefit of being cheaper and less time) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 3:42 PM Author: Smoky Racy Persian is your WE really that bad? you may not get HSW, but the M7 is not THAT hard to get if you package yourself right. law school is miserable as fuck, and for someone wanting finance, it doesn't make sense. the vast majority of people at HLS who get finance jobs are ones who had previous banking or pe experience and/or jd/mba's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704236) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 4:23 PM Author: garnet odious orchestra pit Bro, you're in at SLS and SLS obviously wants you if they're giving you $$. Call Dean Deal and ask to defer a year while you apply to GSB and see if she or someone else from their office can go to bat for you. My understanding is that it's already significantly easier to get the MBA if you're in at the JD.
Also, lol at your "law school admissions was grueling enough" reason for not applying to MBA. That path of least resistance mentality will get you nowhere successful in life, whether you're a lawyer or a business dood. Another 30-40 hours of essay writing is nothing in relation to your ENTIRE CAREER.
HTH |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 4:41 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault fuck, well said. BTW $$ is not based on merit, so I don't believe its an indication of how much they want me, but more of an indication how much need i demonstrate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704653) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 5:07 PM Author: garnet odious orchestra pit ok, but you're in. That's sufficient evidence that they want you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704900) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 4:25 PM Author: Brass Base Jap just do CFA, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704527) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 4:35 PM Author: Smoky Racy Persian CFA is horribly overrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704595) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 4:38 PM Author: Brass Base Jap flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20704626) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 5:25 PM Author: Naked maize athletic conference affirmative action Have you considered INSEAD breh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20705033) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 6:36 PM Author: Cyan vivacious turdskin azn why the hell are you wasting your time with a jd? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20705646) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 6:37 PM Author: Shivering snowy area deer antler didn't read thread but wait until you get into these schools. if you're still considering them, then this is flame, the deadlines have passed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20705655) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 7:21 PM Author: Coral chapel dragon banking is bullshit.
do you have a personal in? Personal contact + prestige of SLS or HLS --> 0L or 1L summer. The rest is up to you.
I am in favor of this because you are not doing the standard route, don't let the uncreative types on this here chatboard bring you down. Anything is doable (including losing 2 Billion dollars on a shitty speculative deal, which might make you question why do banking at all but NVM breh, nvm) |
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Date: May 16th, 2012 9:36 PM Author: Confused Arrogant Double Fault I do have a personal in. What would be the best summer program to try to get into? I have experience in PE RE. Also, very familiar with options. Have experience actively managing a portfolio. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1949864&forum_id=2#20707067) |
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Date: May 17th, 2012 12:32 AM Author: Coral chapel dragon im not in banking bro, but if you can actually do shit, convince someone to let you hang around the summer. get on the phone with people, talk to friends and get put in touch with a bank somewheres.
father of a friend of mine is in house @ blackstone, and he cleans up. |