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biglaw hours: not really that bad?
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:40 PM Author: Khaki love of her life french chef Here's something interesting: if you look at infirmation.com's hours charts, most DC/NYC biglaw firms list their hours worked (worked, mind you ... not billed) as less than 2200. If you assume that someone works 48 weeks a year (two weeks vacation plus holidays), then this comes out to a little under 46 hours a week.
Something must be wrong here. Is it that these hours numbers are inaccurate? Or do people just exaggerate the horrors of working in a big firm? It'd be cool if only people with actual biglaw experience responded, but of course, this is probably too much to ask. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:43 PM Author: Startled locus newt Why don't you ask around on greedy associates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3082658) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:44 PM Author: Confused Stage Sandwich I clerk at biglaw, and I don't think that this is accurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3082663) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:44 PM Author: Salmon Impertinent Meetinghouse so they do work a lot of hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3082667) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:46 PM Author: Confused Stage Sandwich yes, some more than others. But even the corporate department works 50+. Litigation works the most (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3082677) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:55 PM Author: Salmon Impertinent Meetinghouse ouch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3082759) |
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Date: June 27th, 2006 12:12 PM Author: bateful base goal in life Total opposite here, but i guess it depends on the firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#6083186) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:54 PM Author: disturbing blue box office juggernaut >Is it that these hours numbers are inaccurate?
Yes. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 8:15 PM Author: kink-friendly alpha site the numbers are inaccurate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084780) |
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Date: June 27th, 2006 10:44 AM Author: learning disabled hyperactive temple Those are total lies.
The midlevel associates' survey is more accurate. |
Date: June 22nd, 2005 3:57 PM Author: exciting weed whacker Most corporate associates not doing M&A work end up working about 55 hours a week, from what I've gathered.
Litigation works more than general corporate, but M&A is the worst.
Tax works a lot too, but the hours are more stable. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 4:10 PM Author: Curious nursing home just like everyone exaggerates how bad law school is (it wasnt that bad, was it), everyone exaggerates how bad working at a firm is. that being said, those numbers are probably slightly inaccurate for biglaw. everyone says that lawyers work 80 hour weeks and that it is a grind. the truth is that lawyers might work an 80 hour week (or more) every once in a while, and they might work a 35 hour week (or less) every once in a while. I think its more typical to see 50-60 hour weeks that include some days that you work 14 hours and some that you work 6.
also, the view, on this board especially, is skewed by the fact that most people here are interested in the best of the best firms, where associates work the hardest. there are probably tons of firms that bring down the average. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 4:19 PM Author: boyish apoplectic den degenerate Similarly, the people who work the longest hours are also more likely to want to talk about hours. Plenty of 1Ls are willing to tell you how they studied 40 hours a week, etc -- the fact that many of us only study one hour a week doesn't make for a particularly dramatic story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3082970) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 4:28 PM Author: greedy background story school The guy that interviewed me for NWern worked for a big firm in a medium sized market. I mentioned something about the 9-6 and he snickered, as though its a LOT more than that. He was 35, bald, unmarried, pale, and generally pathetic looking. That image is going to cause me to REALLY research any firm I consider.
It also made me think NWern grads are chumps. Even though it was a tiny sample, you would think they'd send out more enthusiastic people. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 4:46 PM Author: Confused Stage Sandwich Bring in WalMart and you can pick your own hours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3083139) |
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Date: June 27th, 2006 12:13 PM Author: bateful base goal in life Great point. I hardly study at all but I never talk about that to pre-law students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#6083196) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 4:50 PM Author: Coral faggot firefighter I dont know, 1L was pretty fucking bad, certainly a lot worse than undergrad. Im working at a small firm this summer so I dont know squat about biglaw, but the hours here are very fucking sweet. Im out at 5:30 almost every day and everybody is gone by 7 everyday, most leave at 6. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3083159) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 5:11 PM Author: Chocolate office rigor This is why I fear BIGLAW, I worked like 20 hour weeks (including classes) in undergrad and maybe 30 hour weeks (inclduing classes) in LS. I had a 40 hour a week job in between where I worked about 10 hours a week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3083352) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 6:17 PM Author: Primrose church cumskin Valen-
Where did you go undergrad?
see you next year |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 5:10 PM Author: Khaki love of her life french chef Wow, these responses have been so much more helpful that I expected.
And that sounds pretty similar to my small law firm experienec. In at 9, out by 6, as a paralegal ... while the lawyers seemed to work about 50-55 hours a week, except the head honcho, who worked nonstop. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 5:34 PM Author: yapping sneaky criminal I read that very long/informative NALP .pdf survey released a few months back that most biglaw lawyers worked 60-70 hrs/week. That seems far more believable than a mere 50-60. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3083542) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:30 PM Author: supple native If you look at the mid-level associate survey on law.com, the vast majority of BigLaw associates reported working 55-60. NYC might be different, but I think 8-8 or 9-9 is pretty typical. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086577) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 6:47 PM Author: bespoke chestnut set personal credit line From the lawyers I know of who were in litigation started at around 9am and went home around 8pm m-thu. Maybe out the door by 6pm on Fri. In for say 4-8 hours on Sat. or Sun. This was during regular non-filing deadline type situations. I have seen litigators though who during pre-trial situations easily doing the 80-100 hours a week for a few months. But these folks also satisfy a lot of billing (since virtually all their hours are billable during these periods) that they cruise for a little while, going on vacations, etc. and then ramp up again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084105) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 6:55 PM Author: disturbing blue box office juggernaut This sounds right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084167) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:05 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy as far as you know are there any la fimrs that turlly offer 1800 billables? what salary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084269) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:10 PM Author: disturbing blue box office juggernaut This is outside my zone of knowledge, sorry. Most cities have lifestyle firms that pay 70-80% of market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084316) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:12 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy lifestyle = 1800-1850? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084329) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:22 PM Author: disturbing blue box office juggernaut In a major city, yeah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084421) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:24 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy i wonder if i can find such a firm in la? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084432) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:36 PM Author: supple native At the firm I work at...
1800 hours = 45 hours per week (incl. lunch)
1900 hours = 45-50 hours per week (incl. lunch)
2000 hours = 50 hours per week (incl. lunch)
At the firm I work at, associates don't get involved in any committees, so most of your non-billable time is lunch, bathroom breaks, and CLE. It may take a bit more to bill that many hours. I think the thing I'm noticing is that your efficiency goes up with the more hours you work. You don't do more CLE or take another lunch just because you are working an extra two hours a day, so almost all of your additional time is billable. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:40 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy what market? are associates allowed to bill 1800 hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086675) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:51 PM Author: supple native Denver. Yes, associates often do bill 1800. I suppose the numbers I gave are a bit misleading in the sense that those are averages. Sometimes they work 70 hours a week, other times they leave at 3pm. Like any law firm, the work is not particularly steady. The key is that they only make $90k at 1800 hours and only get $5k for each additional 100 billable hours. I'm OK with this, but it's not like you'll make $140k your first year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086770) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:52 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy does this firm by chance recruit at cls?
yeh but denver doesn't have nyc/dc col. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:54 PM Author: supple native It's not just one firm, it's pretty much all the Denver-based firms. People work hard in Denver, but they are here for the lifestyle. 8-5:30 is a pretty normal day at the place I work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086803) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:17 PM Author: Beady-eyed light parlor old irish cottage I really think I would prefer this pattern, actually, except Id rather put a few more in during the week and minimize the saturday or sunday time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084368) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:35 PM Author: bespoke chestnut set personal credit line I've seen some people do that but really it's not the case that they aren't willing to work longer hours during the week to avoid sat/sun it's just the way the flow of work is they have to come in on one of those days. Like a brief will come in on Friday and even if they aren't really going to start work on a response they have to spend some hours going over it for the Monday meeting or something like that. Also partners often wait until the last minute to do stuff so even when an associate is more than willing to crankout the time during the regular week to get stuff done they just can't because stuff isn't ready. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084524) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:37 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy law firm life in general just seems shitty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084533) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:39 PM Author: Beady-eyed light parlor old irish cottage jobs in general are shitty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084548) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:39 PM Author: Beady-eyed light parlor old irish cottage nice. I dont care, a day worked is a day fucking lost regardless of if its 8 hours or 14. Its all about days off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084545) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:40 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy i agree to an extent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084551) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 6:45 PM Author: Silver laughsome candlestick maker public bath In doing my research of firms i've found that for figuring out the amount of hours actually worked at a firm NALP is not particularly helpful because firms dont actually post numbers at all or they seem to make up arbitrary 2000 or 1950 or 2200, and since the numbers are always round and seem to be on the low end i cant consider them to be accurate. However i just came across a firm named Curtis, it isnt a Vault100 firm but it is a NYC firm with 180 lawyers and it pays market (125k) and they expect to hire 10 attorney's next year. They list that average hours worked for associates were 2288 and average billables were 1771. I tend to believe these numbers because they arent round. 2288 averaged out over 48 weeks is roughly 48 hours a week which isnt too bad. However it probably means a number of weeks around 55 and some closer to 40. However this kind of firm doesnt seem so bad with the hours. Is this firm atypical and what are the real drawbacks of not going to a vault 100 firm if this one pays market aside from partners not making huge salaries (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084090) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 6:59 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy any firm paying market will not have a 1800 billable target. safe to say their numbers are bs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084192) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:00 PM Author: disturbing blue box office juggernaut I agree. (Unless the "target" is understood by everyone to be a joke.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084207) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:05 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy 1800 hour billables work out to 80-100K (at the very high end). anything above these figures i would not believe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084259) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:52 PM Author: supple native With the exception of patent work. There's a firm in Seattle that pays well over $100k for 1600 minimum. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086787) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:54 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy name? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086800) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:00 AM Author: supple native Two, actually (although I was a bit off about the salary). I may have been thinking of another market.
http://www.nalpdirectory.com/employerdetails.asp?fscid=F3440&id=1&yr=2005
http://www.nalpdirectory.com/employerdetails.asp?fscid=F4347&id=1&yr=2005
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:20 PM Author: nudist orchid home I've had some IP firms tell me that 1800/$125k is the norm. Are they lying? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084393) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:22 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy think about it. law firms make money by billing out time. you work less time and make the same salary the difference has to be made up some how, and guess what the partners are not going to eat it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084412) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:01 AM Author: supple native I think IP billing rates are a lot higher (especially at the lower levels). Don't forget that part of the equation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086876) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 10:30 PM Author: Mustard casino No,they aren't lying.
In my year off i worked for a small primarily patent prosecution boutique, that only had one office of 30 lawyers. Very much a lifestyle firm. 1850 billable hours, starting at 110k + bonus. And to top it all off this was in Greenville, SC, where you can buy a 3000 sq ft house, 10 mins from downtown for 300k. My 900 sq ft, 2 yr old, 1BR apt was only $500/mo. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 6:59 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084196) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:00 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084201) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:00 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084205) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:01 PM Author: Startled locus newt please die.
thx |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:01 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084216) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:13 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend FYI, no 1st year ive ever met used 4 weeks vacation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084338) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:15 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy 1st year at any job does not equal much vacation time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084357) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:22 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend The AMLAW associate survey is going to give you detailed breakdowns of self-reported hours worked and billed for practially every major firm in the country, including those outside of the major markets and VAULT100.
Some feel that the numbers are inaccurate, but I think they are by far the best and most under-publicized resource when youre trying to find out this type of info.
Ive posted this on threads in the past, you might be able to find it by searching past threads. Or google the shit, im just lazy right now. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:23 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy yeh, the people at davis WORK <50 hours per week.
right...... |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:29 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend The numbers for DPW in that survey say less than 40??? Get the fuck out of here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084485) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:30 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend Ok I dont know what youre talking about but:
Davis Polk Wardwell
Hours and Compensation: · Average hours worked per week: 67.8 · Average hours billed per week: 51.6 · Average salary: $145,667 · Average bonus: $20,100 |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:31 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy link
last i saw davis was reported at <50 worked |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 7:34 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend Hahaha, you dont believe me.
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTAL.jsp?id=1096473917144#D |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 8:11 PM Author: Silver laughsome candlestick maker public bath Thank you, ill check out Amlaw now EDIT: Shit it requires a password |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 8:17 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend Ill be nice and post the info on three firms if you didnt sign up. Which three would you like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084795) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 8:19 PM Author: Silver laughsome candlestick maker public bath appreciate the offer but right now i dont have my final gpa and i dont know what the firm cutoffs really are (i'll know this in the middle of july) so i cant pick out three firms but thanks for being helpful EDIT: registration is free so i'll do that later myself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084803) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 8:20 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend never mind its free, i thought I had previously paid for it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084808) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 8:20 PM Author: histrionic mother Its free to sign up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084810) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 8:20 PM Author: Silver laughsome candlestick maker public bath yeah just saw that thx (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3084814) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 10:17 PM Author: Khaki love of her life french chef If you take AmLaw's numbers, it looks like most NYC/DC firms list their hours as between 55-63 or so. That's nowhere near 80-100. Heck, I wouldn't mind working 60 hours a week, especially if I was being paid biglaw $$. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3085855) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 10:21 PM Author: Silver laughsome candlestick maker public bath yes, but take into account a few things, 1- that is the average that people said they worked and not everybody is responding and not everyone is responding accurately, 2- half the time you work more than your average (sometimes substantially from what ive been hearing, and 3- the people working the average probably wont be making partner, that said i still will be happy working only 60 hours a week for a biglaw salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3085892) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 10:30 PM Author: stimulating stage Nobody will be making partner anyway. The better cautionary thing to note is probably that if you're good, you'll get more work than average. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3085979) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 10:57 PM Author: Khaki love of her life french chef Seriously. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't think that biglaw is quite the horror shop that people make it out to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086230) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:20 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy *smirks*
http://www.vault.com/nr/main_article_detail.jsp?article_id=18550252&cat_id=0&ht_type=1
http://www.jd2b.com/VanderbiltLawReview
have fun |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:37 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend Dearest CLStroll007,
Do you have a personality? If not, you are good to go. Youll be partner in no time!*
*Parnership track is two tiered and requires approx 2500 billables per year and at least 8 years as an associate. Results may vary.
XOXO, YOUREANIDIOT, LLP |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:44 PM Author: Spruce circlehead I think my firm in NYC is mostly a 10am-12pm MTWTh, maybe out by 7 on Friday with weekends being rare.
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:44 PM Author: Startled locus newt 2 hrs per day? sweet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086707) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:48 PM Author: Spruce circlehead you know what i meant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086736) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:49 PM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy 66 hrs in 5 days sounds incredibly TTT
hth |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:50 PM Author: Spruce circlehead i know.
i should look into reinterviewing. |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:51 PM Author: Startled locus newt whats its best practice area? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086771) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:52 PM Author: Spruce circlehead i think it's ttt in everything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086778) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:53 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086797) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:54 PM Author: Spruce circlehead why would you guess that? from my description of the hours? that's just my guess based on conversations with associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086808) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:56 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend Yea, from your description of the hours. Am I correct? Im going to delete my post so you dont feel weird. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086818) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:57 PM Author: Spruce circlehead no you're wrong. what would you say the hours at the median nyc firm like say fried frank or milbank are? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086832) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2005 11:59 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend The weekends thing was what I was basing my guess on. I cant imagine that Milbank associates arent getting hit at least every saturday for a small amount of hours (3-6 lets say).
Plus it seemed you wouldnt have a corp dept, bc if you did, the associates would definitely be in on weekends for certain things. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:00 AM Author: Spruce circlehead so you think my descriptino is pretty accurate for an average biglaw firm but adding in one half day per weekend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086863) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:03 AM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend If youre hitting lets say, 55-60 hours worked during the week at Milbank, then yea, Id say a half day every weekend would be fair, obvisouly with variation depending on what youre workign on at the time and what dept youre in, etc. Its still not that great of a time. 60-65 hours a week at an office will fuck with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086892) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:07 AM Author: Mint fortuitous meteor puppy doing it every week will definitely screw you up. unhappiness here you come. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086940) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:35 AM Author: Spruce circlehead Yeah, I can't really do more than 25 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087246) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:07 AM Author: boyish apoplectic den degenerate Tough it out for a few years and go in-house. The hours where I'm interning are sweet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086932) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:08 AM Author: Silver laughsome candlestick maker public bath how easy/diffucult is it to go in house after 3-5 years of biglaw, and what is the salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3086955) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:13 AM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend This question is incredibly vague, but if youre at a good firm, in house opportunities will generally present themselves. 90 percent of your class will not be there after 8 years, and a lot of them are working in corp america as counsels, compliance officers, etc. Salaries can vary widely, and hours, at least in terms of general counsels I know, is pretty close to 9 to 5, with more golfing and the like. You wont be making partner money, but youll be a hundred thousandaire.
One guy i met who I worked wiht last year took a job with Motorola in house (he was a 5th year), and he said he was home by 6 every night, no weekends, and if the firm chatter was accurate he was looking at 150 to 175K. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:16 AM Author: Silver laughsome candlestick maker public bath ok i know im totally clueless in this regard but is there any specific practice areas that making going in house easier, or can you do it from any kind of practice area just there will be different oppritunities based on what you did previously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087050) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:27 AM Author: boyish apoplectic den degenerate Depends on the company/industry. Corporate/transactional type stuff is probably useful everywhere. Tech/pharma/biotech companies will hire a lot of IP lawyers, something like a tobacco company will probably need more litigation lawyers. Retail chains might have a bigger employment law group. And so forth.
EDIT: Don't decide on a practice area based on this -- find an area you like and are good at first, and then see what opportunities present themselves. |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:30 AM Author: supple native I would think tax would be huge for all industries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087202) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:47 AM Author: boyish apoplectic den degenerate Eh, I think they generally have accountants for the everyday stuff, and use outside counsel for deals. Tax is probably specialized enough that it's not worth keeping a lawyer in-house, but that probably varies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087356) |
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Date: June 27th, 2006 12:11 PM Author: Crusty drab jew incel this statement really couldn't be more incorrect (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#6083168) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:34 AM Author: Spruce circlehead what do they mstly do though? employment discrimination? stock option plans? internal shit like that p lus like one or two deals the corporation does every year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087241) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:44 AM Author: boyish apoplectic den degenerate Don't want to disclose my particular company, but see above. Also I'd add that if you're in finance (e.g. investment bank), you'd work on a tons of deals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087321) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:46 AM Author: Spruce circlehead okay. i dont like any aspect of law though. i especially hate reading and writing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087341) |
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Date: June 23rd, 2005 12:48 AM Author: boyish apoplectic den degenerate Should have taken up pro basketball. I hear the pay is good and you only work a few months of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3087359) |
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Date: June 24th, 2005 6:44 PM Author: Autistic Smoky Chapel Legend I recommend it highly. It can only improve you as a person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#3103299) |
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Date: June 27th, 2006 12:14 PM Author: bateful base goal in life Why did you bump this shit? I responded to a post above only to realize its a year old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=204104&forum_id=2#6083204) |