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My boyfriend just got an offer -- how best to shop it?
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:27 PM Author: indecent insane state My boyfriend was just told he will be getting an offer from one of the firms he is splitting his summer with (he was told through unofficial channels). The problem is, he hates both firms. He has about a 3.1 now. (We have a 3.2 median at Michigan.) Assuming he has at least one offer from a Vault firm b/w 50-75, and perhaps another one from a non-Vault 100 firm, how marketable will he be to better firms during 3L OCI? Any advice? Any thoughts on the sorts of firms he should be targeting? What's the best he can hope for? (He wants to be in California.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246093) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:28 PM Author: exciting arrogant corn cake legal warrant He's going to hate any firm he's at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246104) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: slap-happy menage In more or less specific terms, what does he "hate" about the firms? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246113) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:30 PM Author: indecent insane state See below. He loves the work at one, but hates the people, and the opposite at the other firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246129) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:32 PM Author: jet indian lodge Good nickname. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246143) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:34 PM Author: indecent insane state You have good taste. :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246166) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:30 PM Author: indecent insane state He hates the work at one, and the people at the other. He thinks he can find some middle ground. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246119) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: slap-happy menage That makes sense....isn't most of the work at firms relatively the similar though? i.e. maybe he dislikes the practice of law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246132) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:34 PM Author: indecent insane state He worked on patent prosecution at the one he hates (boutique) and does securities lit and a little IP trade secret stuff at the other (he likes). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246164) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:40 PM Author: sick mind-boggling police squad piazza how bout a picture of your cans? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246223) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:53 PM Author: indecent insane state If any of you knew anything about what I was posting, some sort of barter arrangement might have been possible. Unfortunately, you are all imbeciles. Back to your pornographic Everquest video games. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246364) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 7:32 PM Author: Lascivious Translucent Shrine Cuckold Suck a dick you gold digging bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3247330) |
Date: July 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: unholy theatre He should use the non-V100 offer to get head from you. If this is successful, he should also pull out his V50-V75 offer to insert his penis in your anus.
HTH |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:29 PM Author: effete cream striped hyena credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246117) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:32 PM Author: indecent insane state I'm not surprised that a virgin who has never earned a cent in his life would be confused about the effect of money on women. Maybe you should scale back from MTV - life isn't all bitches and ho's. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246148) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:14 PM Author: unholy theatre very bad pwnage.
virgin?
im not dee
HTH |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: submissive laughsome pervert he wants to be in CA so he can upgrade his girlfriend via his newfound income.
hth |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:31 PM Author: unholy theatre credited as well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246140) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:44 PM Author: Vibrant peach lodge famous landscape painting best answer so far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246896) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:54 PM Author: curious resort Break up with that TTTSEF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246367) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:54 PM Author: Coral glittery office his gpa is terrible. he should take what he can get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246368) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:56 PM Author: indecent insane state He is probably around the 35-40% mark in his class. The question is whether an existing offer can be leveraged to make-up for this fact though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246397) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:57 PM Author: curious resort break up with him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246406) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:58 PM Author: Coral glittery office nothing can offset being at the 35th percentile at Michigan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246413) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:00 PM Author: indecent insane state $2600 p/week this summer says otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246429) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:01 PM Author: Coral glittery office so people are trolling for the bottom half of the class now? this board never ceases to amaze me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246442) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:04 PM Author: indecent insane state My GPA is above a 3.5, and I admit his GPA is poor. But as far as I can tell, I will make as much as a first-year as he will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246486) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:05 PM Author: Coral glittery office maybe. you really should dumb the bonehead's ass though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246498) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 5:58 PM Author: submissive laughsome pervert of course it can't. but the fact that he did get an offer means his stock won't drop any lower this fall.
you're supposed to get an offer.
hth. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:02 PM Author: indecent insane state It only took half an hour for someone to answer my question.
You say "of course it can't," but I have heard otherwise. Do you have any authority for your position? It would make sense that working at and getting an offer from a competitor of firm X would make you more attractive to firm X than before. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:04 PM Author: Coral glittery office not really. just because one firm made the mistake of hiring someone with shitty grades doesn't mean lightning will (or should) strike twice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246481) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:05 PM Author: indecent insane state Are you trying to say my boyfriend has bad grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246495) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:09 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit you are a moron....40th percentile at a school like Michigan is not shitty.
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:11 PM Author: Coral glittery office yes it is, i go to michigan, hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246560) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:16 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit yeah and? (your post didn't help) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246615) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:17 PM Author: Coral glittery office eh, you're clearly trolling for your poor grades, so whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246631) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:22 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit I am perfectly happy with my grades. I just think it is crazy for you to say 40th percentile is "terrible." Terrible would be something like bottom 10%. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246690) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:23 PM Author: indecent insane state Yes, approximately half of the class does not have "terrible" grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246695) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:24 PM Author: Vivacious Dingle Berry Internal Respiration Calling them terrible is just mean. Say perhaps mediocre. That's more apt and descriptive. I mean really, this guy should be commended. He's not showing off, not falling behind. I say, hire him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246709) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:31 PM Author: Coral glittery office okay okay, mediocre. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246769) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:23 PM Author: Coral glittery office in my opinion that would be functionally retarded (especially at a school like michigan with a fairly large class and with a lot of dipshits in the class), but that's just my opinion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246701) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:26 PM Author: indecent insane state Happily for the bottom half of the class, your opinion does not impact upon their ability to get offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246732) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:27 PM Author: Coral glittery office true. but clearly something else does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246744) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:29 PM Author: indecent insane state Anyone above a 3.0 should be making market if they want it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246758) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:29 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit so I imagine that you would consider the 50th percentile as really bad or poor? And 60th percentile as fair? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246761) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:30 PM Author: Coral glittery office that sounds about right, but there are no hard and fast rules. I would say 50th percentile is more poor than really bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246766) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:07 PM Author: submissive laughsome pervert I suppose it's possible for that to happen. On the other hand, it could easily backfire on you a la "he fit in with the douchebags at firm X, and spent the other half of his summer at firm Y? uh, he clearly isn't the type we want here at Z"
from what i've heard overall though, you basically can only hurt yourself by not getting an offer. you can also hurt yourself in later interviews if you can't rationally explain why you aren't taking said offer. it can't really be used to leverage |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:15 PM Author: unholy theatre 35-40??? what??!?! "He has about a 3.1 now. (We have a 3.2 median at Michigan.)" |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:19 PM Author: indecent insane state That was what I estimated his percentile to be. if that seems off, adjust to your pleasure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246662) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:21 PM Author: unholy theatre you said he's below the median, and he's a good 10-15 percent above that percentile-wise? is the curve really that shape? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246681) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:34 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit you have it backwards. 40th percentile is below the median. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246797) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:35 PM Author: indecent insane state Funny how everyone else on thread understood, but the virgin gets it wrong. Probably was flustered from having a conversation with a woman for the first time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246812) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:42 PM Author: unholy theatre True, I did.
I haven't ever read discussion on here from people in the bottom half. I thought you didn't differentiate one bottom feeder from another? |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 8:36 PM Author: Passionate white den no, 3l interviewing is not that easy, esp. if you're at a ttt like mich.
if he was working at a non-ttt firm, maybe he'll have some leverage, but he's in no position to be picky at this point, esp. w/ his grades. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:07 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit you have a very unusual definition of "terrible." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246514) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:08 PM Author: Coral glittery office bottom half is not terrible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246529) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:10 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit not at good schools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246545) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:11 PM Author: Coral glittery office i know a few at umich in his position who are struggling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246556) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:14 PM Author: Provocative regret hissy fit yeah but probably not because of their GPA. Anyone who plays their cards halfway right and has above a 3.0 should be able to get biglaw at Mich. THose people who are "struggling" probably have no work experience, ttt personalities, and strategized poorly for OCI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246588) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:16 PM Author: Coral glittery office maybe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246610) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:08 PM Author: dull pea-brained meetinghouse He'll have less information about some other firm he'd take a job with as a 3L. Unless he's really sure that he doesn't want either of his offers, he should really take one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3246530) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:20 PM Author: indecent insane state The entire system is ridiculous.
You are probably right though. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 6:53 PM Author: 180 degenerate crotch More info. Where were the firms he summered at? Which work did he like? He should probably just be looking at non- or low-Vault firms that do the type of work he likes, do as many interviews as he can, and see how he likes the people.
An offer doesn't hurt, but with below-median grades he's very unlikely to be able to move up in the rankings at 3L OCI ... 3L OCI is usually supposed to be a bit more competitive than 2L, and it doesn't sound like he's added much in the way of grades/law-review/etc. in the intervening year. So he should look to move down the rankings to a firm he likes more. He might be able to move parallel or up if he can really sell himself as someone who's interested in and good at the particular area of law that he likes, but his best bets are probably lower-ranked firms. |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 7:29 PM Author: indecent insane state In terms of future mobility, do you think he is better off taking the offer at the better firm, and then moving to a smaller firm in a couple of years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3247308) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 8:30 PM Author: Cerebral Hairy Legs I would think so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3247948) |
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Date: July 10th, 2005 7:06 PM Author: chocolate immigrant field Is this the same boyfriend from this thread?
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=64039&mc=218&forum_id=2
LOL! Your TTT boyfriend got pwn3d by life! Enjoy AIDS!
HTH |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 12:25 AM Author: spectacular buck-toothed half-breed coldplay fan http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=95953&mc=96&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3250442) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:32 PM Author: chocolate immigrant field Jeebus, this shit is comedy gold!
Why does this whore even bother to post here still? |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 1:16 AM Author: electric locus azn If the BF has any sense, he will dump her 6-12 months into his biglaw job when he realizes his money can get better whores than her.
WTF is she shopping his offers? Is she his fucking agent? |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:15 PM Author: Motley twisted national What about patent prosecution did your boyfriend hate? What's his UG degree in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254214) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:24 PM Author: angry lime native Subject: So you're saying you "had great sex with someone not" him again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254317) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:48 PM Author: chocolate immigrant field That's just par for the course with this whore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254607) |
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Date: July 11th, 2005 2:29 PM Author: silver ungodly church building trust fund stop being such a controlling bitch. let him shop his own offer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=216185&forum_id=2#3254386) |